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So, let me get this straight. SCOTUS ends the unconstitutional abortion law and said States need to make there own laws, and we still have people on this board claiming that NOW ALL abortion is illegal??????????
I believe (No Kalim, I did not do any research) in most all of the states, if not all, abortion is still legal.
I believe (No Kalim, I did not do any research) in most all of the states, if not all, abortion is still legal.
Kalim swears by so much research yet Kalim now is posting links from CNN and Aaron Rupar.
What he is saying is that it will make a huge difference in keeping moderates from voting for Trump. I disagree with him. And he is also claiming infalinn is not bad, and I think he may not understand how it is figured. He is a VERY smart poster...but no one knows everything
The Big Guy is now launching investigations to distract from his own investigations LOL
@gatorspeed still not too late to man up and admit you messed up supporting a criminal. We tried to tell you.
As always - I appreciate the kind words.
It's a fair point. Has inflation been tamed and what is the overall economic picture?
I listen to CNBC Squawk Box daily and read the WSJ, etc. It is coming down, to be sure, and it is driving a lot of the positive movement in the equity markets. S&P 500 is up 18.15% YTD versus historical returns of 9.81%.
On the whole, independents/moderates and very importantly college educated women are feeling FAR better about their economic prospects than 12 months ago. That is a problem - a big one for Republicans.
To a prior poster, my view on abortion is a political one and in lock step with vaccines. It is - let the individual decide what is best. It is a loser politically be it Kansas, Michigan, etc. when it has gone to a state vote.
I do not want to see more abortions and agree with other's points around personal responsibility. But, college educated women get over-indexed on this issue and important swing districts go blue instead of red because of it.
Here is the math of it:
Take Nancy Mace in South Carolina. She is a tough swing district. Go the wrong way on abortion and she is done. Now Republicans are from 5 down to 4 seats. Santos loses. You are at 3. Alabama is gettering redistricted - you are at 2. Every toss-up district that went Blue in 18 and 20 but partially swung back in 22 can easily go back blue in 24.
Elections and control of the House, Senate and Presidency is done at the margins.
From the Hill:
" Suburbanites are swing voters, while urban dwellers trend Democratic and rural residents are overwhelmingly Republican. Thus, for Republicans itching to win back the White House, the eventual nominee must appeal to suburban voters in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, North Carolina, Arizona and Georgia."
So, to all, I repeat: how important - in the face of illegal immigration, massive deficits, crime, etc. etc. etc. is abortion when it is already legal?
No need to answer per se. But this is the dynamic that both sides face this election cycle.
Yes - that is precisely right.
Trump, by the way, I believe would be "pro-choice" if it were not for the evangelical part of his base. You should watch DTJ on Megan Kelly talk about the trans agenda. He was funny and good. He shared that he "does not care what an adult does in private, but do NOT come around my kids, with a beard, forcing me and my kids to believe that you are the 'fairy godmother'." It was pretty funny. He also talked about his "libertarian streak", which I believe to be the case.
I would bet, in private, DJ and DJT would say, "can we just get this abortion thing out of the way, so we can win this damn election and allow me to pardon these lawsuits which are killing me financially and absorbing so much time..."
See my longer post above.
And yes, I am far from being omniscient and all knowing. I value this board as it (for the most part, lol) respectfully challenges (esp. you Capt) my view points and it evolves my thinking.
I could be wrong, but to me, you are the only person talking about abortion. You are the only one making it an issue. Have not seen any candidate for Pres talking about it. Well, yet anyways.
I do happen to know how inflation works, but you are correct on point in time price comparisons. Mathematically, it is a second derivative consideration.
Inflation is moderating, but when you look at say 2019 prices to 2023 prices it is indeed stunning how much prices have gone up. To hell with five guys, look at a beer at a bar, or a glass of Whiskey. I only dine out at expense accounts.
The question I am posing is not whether Biden has done a great job with inflation. At all. He has not and the new monetarist theories of his administration and MSM (read: Paul Krugman) have been disastrous. It has been the fed and Synema and Manchin who have protected the country from the excesses of the left.
It is whether the Republican party, can clearly keep this top of mind with moderate voters when inflation is indeed moderating. To do so, they need to run ads just as you and Ghost said, "before and after" prices.
This is about winning elections. Nothing more.
You know...I do too. I actually have found myself using it for world news events, because I respect many of the people that post here of actually knowing what is going on in the world.
Take Florida and DeSantis.
DeSantis signs Florida GOP's 6-week abortion ban into law
Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis has signed into law a bill approved by the Republican-dominated Florida Legislature to ban abortions after six weeks of pregnancy. DeSantis signed the bill Thursday after the the House granted final passage to the proposal earlier in the day. The updated ban gives...
apnews.com
He just signed this three months ago. He is the #2 candidate for office. And he was "supposed" to be the one who was going to bring in moderate voters.
Three months ago. Florida. DeSantis.
Republicans keep making it a significant issue.
Capt your one of few that’s a straight shooter, I’ll say it a thousand times you’ll call a spade a spade brother
DeSantis IS sending mixed messages right now. I believe he IS a true conservative that the people who are funding him are NOT true conservatives. so you are seeing some flip floppingTake Florida and DeSantis.
DeSantis signs Florida GOP's 6-week abortion ban into law
Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis has signed into law a bill approved by the Republican-dominated Florida Legislature to ban abortions after six weeks of pregnancy. DeSantis signed the bill Thursday after the the House granted final passage to the proposal earlier in the day. The updated ban gives...
He just signed this three months ago. He is the #2 candidate for office. And he was "supposed" to be the one who was going to bring in moderate voters.
Three months ago. Florida. DeSantis.
Republicans keep making it a significant issue.
It is interesting. I do not know. I actually think (could be wrong), that is he is more of a moderate, very smart, but is being pulled right by the base. He is not afraid (to his credit) of being anti-establishment. He went toe-to-toe on Fauci on Covid-19 and Mayorkas on Immigration. Toe-to-toe. And he was right on both counts.
Disney is a toss-up.
I think he got the AP african-american studies wrong. AP classes are for college level classes. College is where multiple ideas should be reviewed, discussed and debated. Yes - the left has shown to be most intellectually authoritarian, but you cannot, right, wrong or otherwise, teach current black history without CRT.
At lower levels, teach the history - and even back to what happened in African and the embedded and centuries long established slave trades there. Light on commentary, heavy on history.
You mean, it isn't INCREASING as quickly as it USED to.
You do understand that means it is STILL INCREASING, right?
This is how the media hoodwinks people. They are experts at reframing a bad situation into being good, and vice versa.
The story is, prices are STILL GOING UP. Not that they aren't going up quite as fast as they once did.
Prices should be GOING WAY DOWN. And that's just to get BACK to where they were under Trump.
This is NOT an improvement. Please be smarter than this.
Once again. You are the one making it an issue. He is not out there campaigning by talking about the 6 week abortion ban he passed. At least, I have not seen/heard him doing it. And for the record, even though I am personally against abortion, 6 weeks seems a little too restrictive. It's possible you do not even know at 6 weeks. I believe 12 to 15 is reasonable.Take Florida and DeSantis.
DeSantis signs Florida GOP's 6-week abortion ban into law
Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis has signed into law a bill approved by the Republican-dominated Florida Legislature to ban abortions after six weeks of pregnancy. DeSantis signed the bill Thursday after the the House granted final passage to the proposal earlier in the day. The updated ban gives...
He just signed this three months ago. He is the #2 candidate for office. And he was "supposed" to be the one who was going to bring in moderate voters.
Three months ago. Florida. DeSantis.
Republicans keep making it a significant issue.
This board is honestly the only place I ever hear abortion discussed, and it's only coming from one poster, who claims it's a vital issue that MUST be addressed.
And I listen to everything from media to podcasts and they cover every political issue under the sun.
No one is talking about abortion. It's settled law, time to move on.
Let me explain my thoughts...and I may be wrong, but maybe we can figure it out. I am basing what I say on what he has done here in Florida...STAUNCH Conservative moves. I am basing(mabey wrongly) that he does not have people controlling him as Governor like he would as POTUS. In fact, I think what may be hurting him Nationally is how conservative he is. Disney fight, education and teachers making sure of non lib CRT, removed mandated, opened earlier than almost any state...was out on a limb for a while.
I disagree on CRT also. You can teach black history without demonizing another race. Just as you can talk about National crime statistics without trashing the black race. Some things are better left unsaid. You can teach about racism and slavery without teaching blacks that white's are bad people....especially since things have changes so much, so fast.
Wow, so you're saying DeSantis is behind Trump by XX% because of abortion?Take Florida and DeSantis.
DeSantis signs Florida GOP's 6-week abortion ban into law
Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis has signed into law a bill approved by the Republican-dominated Florida Legislature to ban abortions after six weeks of pregnancy. DeSantis signed the bill Thursday after the the House granted final passage to the proposal earlier in the day. The updated ban gives...
He just signed this three months ago. He is the #2 candidate for office. And he was "supposed" to be the one who was going to bring in moderate voters.
Three months ago. Florida. DeSantis.
Republicans keep making it a significant issue.
Holy crap that's a terrible take.
Hmmm....you asked a fair question, and I gave a clear answer.
He is making it an issue because he is passing a law, and as you noted, it is quite restrictive. I think most of the U.S. is around 20 weeks, as this is when the fetus is viable outside of the womb and thus the child has a legitimate standing.
If DeSantis had said, "RVW was not properly decided, we should set it at 20 weeks and then anything past is only permissable due to the health of the mother", Republicans would be in very strong standing. That is only 5 weeks off. Further, had he said, "let's take this to a ballot initiative and let the people decide..." he would be more than reasonable.
On "me making it the issue", the question is whether the Democrats are. The answer is Yes:
Biden ready to make abortion rights a central issue in 2024 campaign
The president’s team plans to put abortion rights "front and center" for voters while the issue remains urgent for many.
www.politico.com
When you pass 6 week laws, you give the left plenty to campaign on.
I have never said that. I am saying that Republicans and DeSantis are making an abortion an issue, it is not just a figment of one's imagination.
It's one that will hurt Trump who will be the nominee.
Agreed on the moves he has made. Spot on. Is that where his heart is at? I do not know.
On CRT - you teach it just as much as you teach Marxism. (CRT is really is post-modern Marxism) I can be taught it, hate it, but understand it.
The question is WHERE. In non-AP classes, in HS or earlier, you are dealing with less mature minds and essentially then indoctrination. In AP, college level classes, people need to think independently.
It's what the left is going to do:
Biden ready to make abortion rights a central issue in 2024 campaign
The president’s team plans to put abortion rights "front and center" for voters while the issue remains urgent for many.
www.politico.com
Articles like this do not come out of the blue.
Yes. And yes - you are right. Prices are NOT going down except for gas.
US Retail Gas Price is down from 4.754 one year ago and -22.68% from one year ago.
It is not the media here, it is the stock market and financial media outlets. College educated women and their households tend to hold a lot in stock. Their portfolios have gone up - significantly since the start of the year.
That was NOT the case when inflation was at 8-9% growth.
Umm....dems make abortion a central issue in every election. It's what they do. But polling shows that abortion is NOT a key concern for the average American. IIRC, it wasn't even in the Top 15 in terms of issues that voters cared about in the 2022 midterms.It's what the left is going to do:
Biden ready to make abortion rights a central issue in 2024 campaign
The president’s team plans to put abortion rights "front and center" for voters while the issue remains urgent for many.
Articles like this do not come out of the blue.
Your wife and daughter's views on abortion are NOT consistent with the average American's. That's not opinion, it's fact. Feel free to google the most important issues for voters and see for yourself.
What you should be asking yourself is why dems make abortion a central issue every election, even though it's NOT a central issue for the average voter. Why the disconnect?
Sigh. Gas is still roughly $1.50 a gallon more today than it was on ED 2020.
If a college educated woman sees her stocks are up and thinks that offsets the massive spike in the cost of living, then maybe she's not all that 'educated'.
Abortion Rises in Importance as a Voting Issue, Driven by Democrats
While the economy remains the dominant issue in this fall’s midterm elections, the issue of abortion has increased markedly in importance. More voters continue to view their midterm vote as an expression of opposition to Joe Biden than support for him. But across both parties, more voters now...
www.pewresearch.org
A majority of registered voters (56%) say the issue of abortion will be very important in their midterm vote, up from 43% in March.
So, they ARE very much in line with the average College Educated female voter (both daughters are in college right now).
56% of people view it as "very important". Let's just say that this is representative for just moderates and independents. That is more than enough to lose an election over when Trump's margin for error (I believe) was 40,000 votes or so in six or fewer states.
Let's note an issue that my daughters do not care anything about: January 6th. Could care less.
Of course they don't. That's a byproduct of the media they are consuming. Same thing with you believing abortion is an important issue in the upcoming election.Abortion Rises in Importance as a Voting Issue, Driven by Democrats
While the economy remains the dominant issue in this fall’s midterm elections, the issue of abortion has increased markedly in importance. More voters continue to view their midterm vote as an expression of opposition to Joe Biden than support for him. But across both parties, more voters now...
A majority of registered voters (56%) say the issue of abortion will be very important in their midterm vote, up from 43% in March.
So, they ARE very much in line with the average College Educated female voter (both daughters are in college right now).
56% of people view it as "very important". Let's just say that this is representative for just moderates and independents. That is more than enough to lose an election over when Trump's margin for error (I believe) was 40,000 votes or so in six or fewer states.
Let's note an issue that my daughters do not care anything about: January 6th. Could care less.
That does not track
They consume media saying that both Abortion and January 6th are significant.
They confirm, as did 56% of the people that Abortion is important and that Jan 6th is not. You said, "google it", I did and the view point is confirmed. This is Pew Research.
We will diverge at this point but it highlights that Republicans are discounting the impact of the issue and go back to the main point which is that Republicans risk losing congressional and presidential elections over an issue that does not mean much to them, but does for a key swing voting cohort
Well, the States that have some type of abortion ban, which I guess runs from 6 weeks up to 20 weeks, have done so based on what their elected Legislature believes the people of their State want. We will see if the people of FL agree or if you see a big turn over in 2024.
And Pew Research is known to skew to the left. You might as well consult the Brookings Institute or NPR.
Every state now has the right to decide for themselves if they want to allow abortion or not.
Before, every state in the nation was forced to allow abortions. Via a decision from 50 years ago which had no Constitutional basis. Which is why it was overturned.
We've made progress, and the law is settled and the matter is closed. Sorry.
The irony is, he lives in a blue state which will continue to make abortions freely legal. So his situation and that of his family will not change.
What WILL change is that now every other state has the same rights that his state does. That irritates the shit out of him, for some reason.
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