Been on vacation in Missouri the past week

[jfegaly]

You guys crack me up. You do realize there is actually no treatment for a cold virus right?
like in the history of medicine we’ve never been able to cure a cold virus. And you do realize that coronavirus is a cold virus right, LOL

All the stuff you find on Google and all the crap you hear in the news doesn’t work. Nothing treats coronavirus. Not curative at least. Steroids sometimes help with immune response. Zithromax sometimes help because of its anti-inflammatory properties. Hell hydroxychloroquine may work there.

But that’s treating the symptoms. There is actually no effective cure for the cold virus and they never has been. Same old story, if you have a cold go to the doctor and get better in a week stay at home and get better in seven days. What we do in the really sick patients in the ICU is we support and try and turn down the immune response and hope they get better with time as the virus runs it’s course, but there is no effective treatment for the virus.

no matter what Dr. Google says. I do hope you find one someday. But none of that crap really works. I know that from first-hand experience.

Anyway, good night all You expert scientist with no scientific degrees.

Well....there wasn't a vax for a cold virus until.....now. See how that works? Internet Dr Gator1776 is the only one who knows. The FDA has approved 3 drugs for treating covid. So, don't listen to that Government agency, but do listen to the CDC? Got it. Maybe you can give me a list of which government agencies we can trust, and which ones we cannot. I am just glad to know the other doctors that have been treating covid with a mixture of different drugs, and findings to back up the use, are all full of chit except gator1776.

To summarize, I want to make sure I got all this. Doc Gator says trust the CDC. Don't trust FDA. There are no possible long term side effects to the vax. The virologist who posted his peer reviewed findings with negative side effects is full of it, no doctors that post on the internet know anything except Doc Gator, there are no treatments that work at all even though there have been studies showing the opposite, and the FDA has approved use of said drugs. The head of the Army Medical team in Houston during the heart of the covid battle was using many different drugs with success, but we shouldn't listen to those docs either. There has never in the history of cold virus been a treatment so there can't be one now, there has never in the history of cold virus been a vax but there is one now.....but it's still impossible for a treatment to work, because doc gator said there wasn't one.

All vaccines are good. Even though much of our military had big negative side effects from anthrax vax.

In a nutshell. No other Dr knows anything. Just doc gator.

I am sure I missed something.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Well....there wasn't a vax for a cold virus until.....now. See how that works? Internet Dr Gator1776 is the only one who knows. The FDA has approved 3 drugs for treating covid.

Actually the FDA hasn't fully approved any of these vaccines. They are EUA.

Another reason a competent medical doctor would advise caution in taking them. Seeing as humans are being used as the lab rats in this case.

But apparently internet docs know best? Who knew?

 

[jfegaly]

Actually the FDA hasn't fully approved any of these vaccines. They are EUA.

Another reason a competent medical doctor would advise caution in taking them. Seeing as humans are being used as the lab rats in this case.

But apparently internet docs know best? Who knew?

Correct.

Here is a list of 14 treatments that have had varying levels of success. Wait, NM doc said there are no treatments.

What science has learned works and what doesn’t in COVID-19 treatments

A year into treating those with COVID-19, research is revealing medical interventions, such as remdesivir, that help patients, and some that don’t.

www.usatoday.com

Including one treatment that has FULL FDA approval, and not just EUA like the vax's and some of the other treatments.

FDA has approved drug treatments and authorized others

The FDA has approved drug treatments for COVID-19 and has authorized others for emergency use. More therapies are being tested in clinical trials.

www.fda.gov

And on the 26th of May the FDA gave an EUA to Sotrovimab for use because of the SCIENCE that was shown in the trials. But hey, what do they know. Doc Gator says NOTHING works.

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: FDA Authorizes Additional Monoclonal Antibody for Treatment of COVID-19

The FDA issued an EUA for an investigational monoclonal antibody therapy for treatment of mild-to-moderate COVID-19 in adult and pediatric patients.

www.fda.gov

"The data supporting this EUA for sotrovimab are based on an interim analysis from a phase 1/2/3 randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled clinical trial in 583 non-hospitalized adults with mild-to-moderate COVID-19 symptoms and a positive SARS-CoV-2 test result. Of these patients, 291 received sotrovimab and 292 received a placebo within five days of onset of COVID-19 symptoms. The primary endpoint was progression of COVID-19 (defined as hospitalization for greater than 24 hours for acute management of any illness or death from any cause) through day 29. Hospitalization or death occurred in 21 (7%) patients who received placebo compared to 3 (1%) patients treated with sotrovimab, an 85% reduction."

And honestly. These studies, this convo with doc, etc...are why I am hesitant. No one can be consistent in their messaging.

Trust this government group, don't trust this one. wear a mask, don't wear a mask. Those doctors don't know what they are talking about, this one does. Blah blah blah.

Maybe the guy who said his doc googles everything on the internet actually has a better doctor afterall.

 

[jfegaly]

ok last one. Here is a link to the NIH site that was linked from the CDC for Covid (cold virus) treatments, that apparently don't exist. LOL

Antivirals, Including Antibody Products | COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines

These sections summarize the data on antiviral agents, including remdesivir, ritonavir-boosted nirmatrelvir, and anti-SARS-CoV-2 monoclonal antibodies.

www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov

As you can see....there ARE many. Now, do they work? I dunno, but the data suggests some of them, like the one that was just given an EUA above are very promising. Statistically, 85 percent reduction in hospitalization or death.

Just trying to have all the information, and figure out why something with that high of a success rate, isn't being talked about more. Interesting is all.

 

[BillCutting4585]

Correct.

Here is a list of 14 treatments that have had varying levels of success. Wait, NM doc said there are no treatments.

What science has learned works and what doesn’t in COVID-19 treatments

A year into treating those with COVID-19, research is revealing medical interventions, such as remdesivir, that help patients, and some that don’t.

www.usatoday.com

Including one treatment that has FULL FDA approval, and not just EUA like the vax's and some of the other treatments.

FDA has approved drug treatments and authorized others

The FDA has approved drug treatments for COVID-19 and has authorized others for emergency use. More therapies are being tested in clinical trials.

www.fda.gov

And on the 26th of May the FDA gave an EUA to Sotrovimab for use because of the SCIENCE that was shown in the trials. But hey, what do they know. Doc Gator says NOTHING works.

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: FDA Authorizes Additional Monoclonal Antibody for Treatment of COVID-19

The FDA issued an EUA for an investigational monoclonal antibody therapy for treatment of mild-to-moderate COVID-19 in adult and pediatric patients.

www.fda.gov

"The data supporting this EUA for sotrovimab are based on an interim analysis from a phase 1/2/3 randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled clinical trial in 583 non-hospitalized adults with mild-to-moderate COVID-19 symptoms and a positive SARS-CoV-2 test result. Of these patients, 291 received sotrovimab and 292 received a placebo within five days of onset of COVID-19 symptoms. The primary endpoint was progression of COVID-19 (defined as hospitalization for greater than 24 hours for acute management of any illness or death from any cause) through day 29. Hospitalization or death occurred in 21 (7%) patients who received placebo compared to 3 (1%) patients treated with sotrovimab, an 85% reduction."

And honestly. These studies, this convo with doc, etc...are why I am hesitant. No one can be consistent in their messaging.

Trust this government group, don't trust this one. wear a mask, don't wear a mask. Those doctors don't know what they are talking about, this one does. Blah blah blah.

Maybe the guy who said his doc googles everything on the internet actually has a better doctor afterall.

Don’t trust anyone anyone, trust yourself, keep yourself safe. If we’ve learned anything by now is to not trust government officials as they don’t know their head from their ass.

 

[BSC911]

You people crack me up. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a bigger bunch of goofballs than you lot.

Arguing with a real doctor by using Google. LOL.

 

[fatman76]

Almost as ironical as pro Trump supporters claiming the vaccines are evil and kills people

lol

You're exaggerating and making this situation very binary.

Is there room for "the vaccine is probably perfectly fine, but it's still under EUA and there's never been a mRNA treatment that has rec'd full FDA approval...so I'm not going to put an experimental treatment in my body to cure a disease I have a 98%-99% chance of beating on my own?"

Of course this statement doesn't fully cover the J&J, which is harder for me to defend not getting.

 

[fatman76]

You guys crack me up. You do realize there is actually no treatment for a cold virus right?
like in the history of medicine we’ve never been able to cure a cold virus. And you do realize that coronavirus is a cold virus right, LOL

All the stuff you find on Google and all the crap you hear in the news doesn’t work. Nothing treats coronavirus. Not curative at least. Steroids sometimes help with immune response. Zithromax sometimes help because of its anti-inflammatory properties. Hell hydroxychloroquine may work there.

But that’s treating the symptoms. There is actually no effective cure for the cold virus and they never has been. Same old story, if you have a cold go to the doctor and get better in a week stay at home and get better in seven days. What we do in the really sick patients in the ICU is we support and try and turn down the immune response and hope they get better with time as the virus runs it’s course, but there is no effective treatment for the virus.

no matter what Dr. Google says. I do hope you find one someday. But none of that crap really works. I know that from first-hand experience.

Anyway, good night all You expert scientist with no scientific degrees.

What about Remdesivir?

 

[NavigatorII]

So brave. So, so brave.

You’re overcompensating. You definitely have little man syndrome. I’ll bet you’re like 5’6.@b

@BSC911 going for out for a spin into the wild blue yonder (public building) Brave New World!

 

[jfegaly]

What about Remdesivir?

Doc says no one is right except himself. He says the information posted by the CDC, FDA, and NIH in regards to treatments isn’t true, but posted a link to the CDC to support his opinion on vaccines.

So, listen to the information on vaccines, but not treatments. He might be correct, but when discussing going full potato....well....

Whether he is right or all the other agencies are right, this is one of the MANY reasons for mistrust. Inconsistent information

 

[jfegaly]

You're exaggerating and making this situation very binary.

Is there room for "the vaccine is probably perfectly fine, but it's still under EUA and there's never been a mRNA treatment that has rec'd full FDA approval...so I'm not going to put an experimental treatment in my body to cure a disease I have a 98%-99% chance of beating on my own?"

Of course this statement doesn't fully cover the J&J, which is harder for me to defend not getting.

And yet JJ was the one they put a pause on. Yet more inconsistent messaging

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

And honestly. These studies, this convo with doc, etc...are why I am hesitant. No one can be consistent in their messaging.

BINGO! Nothing about covid has been consistent. All of our so-called medical experts have flip-flopped on suggested treatment. Hell Fauci went from no-one needs to wear a mask to everyone should be wearing TWO....in the span of a few months. All while he wasn't wearing them himself.

The ONLY consistent messaging has been to NOT QUESTION and just PUT ON THE DAMN MASK....which later morphed into JUST TAKE THE DAMN SHOT!

Anyone who is honest and intelligence is right to question. Curious which posters here not only refuse to question, but attack those who do.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Doc says no one is right except himself. He says the information posted by the CDC, FDA, and NIH in regards to treatments isn’t true, but posted a link to the CDC to support his opinion on vaccines.

Show him the CDC's data on the difference between patients dying FROM covid (only 6% of cases) versus dying WITH covid.

It's all there in black in white, but he will accuse YOU of lying. Not the CDC.

So weird.

 

[nail1988]

Misery is a pretty state. I love the Ozarks

 

[martycat1]

Misery is a pretty state. I love the Ozarks

I love the Cumberlands.