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great opportunity to get into an entry level tessy!!! you have to be a tax payer of course to benefit...that does exclude many of you...
 
In all seriousness:

Does anyone think Elon is eating that 12k? He's getting a check, from the government, for each vehicle for 12 grand of our money. That's how government subsidies work.

Crying over 2k not everyone got versus 12 grand per vehicle for mostly upper middle class and rich people?

There is literally no difference between the parties other than who they favor when it's time to give our money away.
 
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In all seriousness:

Does anyone think Elon is eating that 12k? He's getting a check, from the government, for each vehicle for 12 grand of our money. That's how government subsidies work.

Crying over 2k not everyone got versus 12 grand per vehicle for mostly upper middle class and rich people?

There is literally no difference between the parties other than who they favor when it's time to give our money away.
Depends on who in the party. The establishment republicans are a dying breed. One by one we are getting rid of them. DeSantis has hopefully learned his lesson, however I am not sure. I was kind of pissed at Gaetz(my representative) when he pulled this stuff w McCarthy..however now that I know the big picture...it may be one of the most important political moves in recent history. Notice how the Hunter investigation finally got some teeth, and now we are going to get SOMETHING on border security. I think Trump had Gaetz do his dirty work w McCarthy. There are still MANY that have to go. I hope Trump comes in "eyes wide open" this time. He had too many stabbing him in the back last time. I think he got caught off guard to how deep the swamp was.
 
Depends on who in the party. The establishment republicans are a dying breed. One by one we are getting rid of them. DeSantis has hopefully learned his lesson, however I am not sure. I was kind of pissed at Gaetz(my representative) when he pulled this stuff w McCarthy..however now that I know the big picture...it may be one of the most important political moves in recent history. Notice how the Hunter investigation finally got some teeth, and now we are going to get SOMETHING on border security. I think Trump had Gaetz do his dirty work w McCarthy. There are still MANY that have to go. I hope Trump comes in "eyes wide open" this time. He had too many stabbing him in the back last time. I think he got caught off guard to how deep the swamp was.
As long as we're spending more money on Ukraine than homeless veterans they're the same jerkoffs.
 
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Why do you panic about the grid? You really think you won’t be able to reheat your coffee? Worst case is we just raise the price until the middle cuts back so the elites can charge their Tessie’s…. Worst case…
So pricing people into a decision to either heat their homes or watch tv or charge their phones to stop a fake crisis (by burning more coal which is the “cause” of the crisis) is your utopia?

You cannot fix liberal stupidity. You prove it daily.

How do you feel about corporate greed again?
 
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Why do you panic about the grid? You really think you won’t be able to reheat your coffee? Worst case is we just raise the price until the middle cuts back so the elites can charge their Tessie’s…. Worst case…


High school math that liberals can’t grasp.

The only hope we have at the moment is Nuclear, and it doesn’t come risk free. And it takes about a decade to bring a plant online.

Enjoy reality.
 
Tessy’s are great cars that are coming down in price. We have an s plus a jeep hybrid tied to a Tesla power wall.

Issue with the environmental now are India and china, hard stop.
 
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….and it was 50’degrees in west Michigan with no snow. 20 years ago, there would have been a foot of accumulation.

It’s a thing, but I won’t unilaterally have our country solve it when India and China are dumping carbon with seeming impunity.
 
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It’s staggeringly insane, isn’t it?

Liberalism is a mental health disorder. I’ve never seen anything quite like it.

People seemingly able to do normal things, but basic logic is like a toxin.
Its deeper, more complex and FAR more dangerous now.

Liberals used to be the "let them eat cake". (read: Newsom, French Laundry during covid)

Now it is the Marxists/Social Marxists with a bargain that says, "we will (for now) let you front our movement, until you are of no use and demographically outnumbered (read: uncontrolled borders". They wrap it around (now) very elegant Western European logic and thought processes to help them gain emotional permission from their wealthy liberal enablers.

So, to my friends, and I know you hate this...but it is why when all white liberal women (seemingly) want is for Marxists to be able to abort their babies, then "ok", that is what you want in exchange for: strong borders, low inflation, low(er) crime, free speech and open dialogue, power to be held to account (read: Hunter Biden, Lab Leak, etc. etc.), all good.

Easy trade. Easy trade.

But be clear on what is going on here. It took October 7th for the Jewish community to "wake" up to that. More will follow - IF, you will let them, and NOT berate them.

@FresnoGator or @BamaFan1137 - disagree?
 
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….and it was 50’degrees in west Michigan with no snow. 20 years ago, there would have been a foot of accumulation.

It’s a thing, but I won’t unilaterally have our country solve it when India and China are dumping carbon with seeming impunity.
I am not sure it’s a thing, the weather is variable in long and short waves.
 
I am not sure it’s a thing, the weather is variable in long and short waves.
True - to a point. I am 99.99999% sure it's a thing after dumping trillions upon trillions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere starting with the industrial revolution until today.

The question is what to do about it and who leads and how broadly is the burden shared.

Saying it is all the U.S. because global politicians can play upon white female liberal guilt in the U.S. versus other countries is ridiculous.
 
True - to a point. I am 99.99999% sure it's a thing after dumping trillions upon trillions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere starting with the industrial revolution until today.

The question is what to do about it and who leads and how broadly is the burden shared.

Saying it is all the U.S. because global politicians can play upon white female liberal guilt in the U.S. versus other countries is ridiculous.
Do you understand where we stand in terms of PPM historically?

And I mean 400MM years historically.

Look it up, you might be surprised.
 
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Do you understand where we stand in terms of PPM historically?

And I mean 400MM years historically.

Look it up, you might be surprised.
You and I will agree on a great deal, but not around whether our dumping of carbon into the atmosphere is causing global warming.

Now, what do we, as a planet, do about it? Very different story...
 
True - to a point. I am 99.99999% sure it's a thing after dumping trillions upon trillions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere starting with the industrial revolution until today.

The question is what to do about it and who leads and how broadly is the burden shared.

Saying it is all the U.S. because global politicians can play upon white female liberal guilt in the U.S. versus other countries is ridiculous.
Yeah, trillions of co2 has always gone into the atmosphere we have had many many ice ages and other phenomenon. But you’re correct the bottom line is always who is going to pay for the “fix”. I have said for years do a one time top .1% wealth tax to fund solar panels for all and retrofit all ice cars to run on natty or gasoline and I am for it. That, of course will never happen. The movement is solely for control of the masses with no harness on the private jet and yacht crew. It’s horse poop
 
You and I will agree on a great deal, but not around whether our dumping of carbon into the atmosphere is causing global warming.

Now, what do we, as a planet, do about it? Very different story...
I guess you can’t be bothered.

Well the answer is we are coming out of an extreme low cycle in Co2 at the same time we are coming out of an ice age. Everything being measured starts from that low point, which is why most of the graphs you find have a cherry-picked starting point of a few hundred thousand years ago.

If you go further back in time you find periods of much, much higher Co2, mammals thriving, and temps that didn’t skyrocket.

The basic fundamentals of Co2 being directly linked to temperature are coming from models. A model, by definition, is an educated guess.



Remember the “pause” in warming from 2000-2018? That’s about when the name changed from “global warming” to “climate change”. Can’t be held to even a basic definition because the models were totally wrong.

And how many climate change predictions have actually come true? An Inconvenient Truth was a train wreck of failed predictions but it brainwashed an entire generation into believing we need to fundamentally change our lives.
 
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more opportunities for tessy ownership. here is the catch to benefit from the 7500 credit you need to actually pay taxes. that likely eliminates 90% of this board.
 
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