I was in North Carolina at the time this broke out and similar story, hospital there wasn’t even testing for covid. Any cold or flu symptoms were called covid and “treated.” There was zero accuracy in reporting covid numbers and lying about how many rooms were being taken up.
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BS most werent using either then and there were all kind of anecdotals first hand from actual doctors whose real high risk patients were mostly surviving and some early data pointing to its effectiveness.
Maybe Dexamethasone is better but that wasn't even talked about back then hardly.
I would presume that when he isn’t working he is too exhausted to post on a message board. At least he says he is exhausted, but I probably shouldn’t trust him based on past experience.
What I don’t presume is that he posts during work according to his own words. You know “smart people being able to do 2 things at once.”
Anecdotal bedside is not medical evidence. Like I said before I have to exist in the real Covid world not the Internet so I have to do what’s actually medically researched and proven. Dexamethasone>>>Hydroxychloroquine
lol If Obama had pointed out what those doctors were finding and the early results with it they would have been calling big time for the doctors to be using the stuff with those patients. Crazy politics (and maybe profits also) let so many people die and the lefty media was such a joke they just ran stories about people murdering their husbands with fish tank cleaner and trying to cover it up by blaming Trump promoting hydroxychloroquine.
As others have pointed out, most people survive with or without HCQ. Anecdotal stories about patients surviving is not as valuable as peer-reviewed clinical trials where they can compare to control groups.
Or are you accusing gator1776 of knowingly withholding life-saving medication from patients only because Trump talked about it, even though gator1776 voted for Trump?
I am saying due to the actions of Fauci and the media etc. and probably some Trump hating doctors that hydroxychloroquine wasn't given to many patients back then who could have been saved if they were put on it right after diagnosis.
There are even anecdotals of patients having to beg their doctors for it when they were headed toward a likely bad outcome that survived after the doctor finally gave it to them.
Zero excuse not to try it with those types of cases.
Right. You are accusing gator1776 of withholding lifesaving medication for non-medical reasons.
I am saying any doctor that refused to give it back then to those patients at risk like that could be reponsible for that person not making it. Don't care what the CDC political mess said nothing prevented them from prescribing it to those patients and many doctors were talking about success with it.
I forgot some Trump hating Governors were trying to stop doctors from prescribing it also with legal mess.
At people who won't get vaccinated. I don't blame him.
And apparently for hating Donald Trump who I voted for, twice
This is a new novel virus we’re trying to figure out. “Hey, we’re about 5,000 doctors that have had success with HCQ.”
CDC: SHUT YOUR MOUTH UNTIL WE CAN MAKE A DECISION WE’LL BACKTRACK ON IN TWO MONTHS!!! We’re trying to figure this out!
CDC: SHUT YOUR MOUTH UNTIL WE CAN MAKE A DECISION WE’LL BACKTRACK ON IN TWO MONTHS!!! We’re trying to figure this out!
actually still like hydroxychloroquine. In theory it works by suppressing the immune response which is what is so dangerous in Covid. But that’s why I dexamethasone or prednisone works better because it suppresses it better. The research for hydroxychloroquine is not as good as the research for dexamethasone which clearly shows survival benefit particularly and sicker patients. But I wouldn’t begrudge anybody taking hydroxychloroquine but generally what I give my friends that get Covid if they want some thing is Zmax and prednisone. And I try and get them Bam Bam too
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HCQ was shut down from the beginning while doctors and scientists were completely stumped on how to handle this thing. The muzzling of doctors sharing treatments was un****ingethical.
Cant remember anything like it. Literally had Governors and the entire lefty media full on deck against it after Trump mentioned it besides the doctors. I can't remember if those nutty Governors were literally able to keep a doctor from prescribing it but that one from NV I think was saying he was ordering something like that plus others took measures. It would be like denying a bad cancer patient a treatment that could possibly save them.
Wait…”there are no treatments” to “the only thing that works is bam bam” to now….multiple treatments you recommend. Wow, progress I suppose?
I don’t know I kept using it for a few months after the press started calling it bad. I do think there was an unethical political reaction to it because Trump liked it. But even I was convinced by the research eventually that it probably has more harm than good and the dexamethasone is better. I was never told I could use it and never was pressured not to use it by anybody.
I must say I have followed your postings from early on and find you have been quite consistent.
Let me summarize and you can correct me:
1. You have used various treatments including antibodies and steroids.
2. Early treatment is key and if you go on a vent you are likely going to die
3. Vaccination is in your opinion the best course of defense but you do not believe in mandating it.
Well, to be fair, I said treatments that actually work. The only one that’s actually been shown to improve Mortality is dexamethasone. A few of them have been shown to potentially shorten the course or reduce viral load but not impact mortality. And the BamBam has been shown to potentially keep you from having to go into the hospital. But none of the dad is really great.
Well treatment is a lose phrase in this sense. I’ve always maintained the prednisone or steroids benefits a small percentage. But when you go on the vent nothing really works much.
My first recommendation for anyone that’s got relatively mild symptoms is to do nothing but eat chicken soup, hydrate, stay at home and rest.
But if they want me to call something in, Zithromax and prednisone both have anti-inflammatory effects so they may make you feel better. We do know that dexamethasone improves mortality in a small percentage of people on the ventilator but that’s about the only thing we got with reduce mortality numbers.
There is some research that would show the Bam Bam is effective in preventing some people from getting really sick but I’m not 100% convinced on that, but since the governments giving away free and it’s safe, why not.
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Enough I appreciate the Doc's info. Please take your personal vendetta somewhere else.
Nope. Here is your quote
“ Again there is no treatment for Covid. But, Whatever, you just keep thinking they’re Butch that’s what you’re good at it
”Also, regeneron has been approved by the FDA, the one you’re celebrating for vaccines, for treatment and preventative. They have completed phase 3 clinical trials to prove efficacy.
Ruh Roh Covid Vax
Lol, love you guys! Geeze, he’s the GOOD doc and you are all over him for speaking his opinion which should be highly respected given his experience. Proves how you are more biased and more sheeplike than the rest of us. Wait....what??? You tell an entire board they should listen to a guy...
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Okey-dokeNope. Here is your quote
“ Again there is no treatment for Covid. But, Whatever, you just keep thinking they’re Butch that’s what you’re good at it
To be fair he is emotionally broken at this point because of his profession.Nope. Here is your quote
“ Again there is no treatment for Covid. But, Whatever, you just keep thinking they’re Butch that’s what you’re good at it
Will link the post later. Here is the thread
Ruh Roh Covid Vax
Lol, love you guys! Geeze, he’s the GOOD doc and you are all over him for speaking his opinion which should be highly respected given his experience. Proves how you are more biased and more sheeplike than the rest of us. Wait....what??? You tell an entire board they should listen to a guy...
florida.forums.rivals.com
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No, but cute!
This is what I spent my whole career training for and I am blessed and lucky to be able to try and help these people and to serve in the company of so many heroes with the other doctors nurses and respiratory therapist and pharmacist doing everything they can every day. I’m truly blessed and lucky to get to be a part of this though I would certainly wish it never happened. And it certainly doesn’t have to happen if people would just vaccinate.
Heroes LOL. There it is. You wore your uniform to Denny’s in the navy and now your white coat for that 10% discount didn’t you?
No we weren’t allowed to wear uniforms off base since we served with the Marines. And I don’t count myself as a hero but I definitely count the people I am working with as heroes. I have the same kind of camaraderie with them as I did with my Marines and sailors in Iraq. I’m very proud of them.
I am exhausted, I’m laying on the sofa in my office watching a little Fox News hoping I don’t get called back up there for an hour or two. But it is my privilege to work with these people 😊
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No but if you got any good ones please post them. We really enjoy laughing at them too.
Something I thought about.
Insta is big on HCQ but mentions that it needs to be used early.
76 says he might prescribe prednisone and Zithromax early. 76 says antibodies might keep people from needing hospitalization. But that means getting it before you go to the hospital.
But 76 is focused on hospitalized patients and at that point HCQ and Ivermectin are probably ineffective. At the point they see 76, dexamethasone is the only thing that works and its not great.
I got vaxxed on June 3rd.
I am 52 and overweight. People in my category make up 10% of the deaths. I was as high as 230 lbs and am now at 187 lbs. I should weigh around 155 but will be happy to get to 170. At that point I will try and maintain that weight.
I took the JnJ after weighing many factors. 76 said mRNA was safe but I decided to avoid it anyway as it is not new but a lesser used and known tech in regards to long term effects. I think about thalidomide !!!
Insta is big on HCQ but mentions that it needs to be used early.
76 says he might prescribe prednisone and Zithromax early. 76 says antibodies might keep people from needing hospitalization. But that means getting it before you go to the hospital.
But 76 is focused on hospitalized patients and at that point HCQ and Ivermectin are probably ineffective. At the point they see 76, dexamethasone is the only thing that works and its not great.
I got vaxxed on June 3rd.
I am 52 and overweight. People in my category make up 10% of the deaths. I was as high as 230 lbs and am now at 187 lbs. I should weigh around 155 but will be happy to get to 170. At that point I will try and maintain that weight.
I took the JnJ after weighing many factors. 76 said mRNA was safe but I decided to avoid it anyway as it is not new but a lesser used and known tech in regards to long term effects. I think about thalidomide !!!
Congratulations on your weight loss. And I’m glad you got vaccinated. I think all three of them are just fine.
I’ll play devils advocate with you on one thing and point out that isn’t it amazing that all these therapies they seem to work on people that aren’t that sick to begin with. Do you ever think maybe they don’t work at all they just happen to be studying the ones that were already going to get better in the first place?
Well, regeneron actually proved to be effective at preventing it altogether, so there’s that.
FDA Expands Authorized Use of REGEN-COV™ (casirivimab and imdevimab) | Regeneron Pharmaceuticals Inc.
TARRYTOWN, N.Y. , July 30, 2021 /PRNewswire/ -- Expanded authorization enables use of REGEN-COV for post-exposure prophylaxis in certain people exposed to a SARS-CoV-2 infected individual, or who are at high risk of exposure to an infected individual in an institutional setting Supported by
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Yes I had thought of that since 97% of people who get Covid dont end up in the hospital anyway. But the censorship of MDs who promoted HCQ absolutely infuriates me. Amazingly there seems to be a study to support any kind of idea and not surprisingly some contradict each other.
I double masked long before Lord Fraudo mentioned it because of a Forbes article I read I believe around April of 2020 very early into this whole mess.
Now really it was only one mask because I had a thick paper style mask with the metal nose piece. I got a batch from Lowes long before Covid. I used a cloth mask to help seal the "real" mask into place and it was more aesthetic.
I sanitized the paper masks in an oven at 170 for 30 mins each day until it would fall apart as I did not know when the mask shortage would end.
I have always used hand sanitize especially after filling up with gas. I have always tried to avoid touching my hands to my face when in public and use the inside of my shirt to scratch my nose or rub my eyes. Yes I am a germaphobe and was before Covid LOL.
Now I might be a bit odd because I dont like masks but wore one and am vaxxed but I oppose vax mandates and shutdowns. I really hope the TN legislature bans mandates/passports for both public and private sector except in health related fields and doesn't allow another shutdown to occur.
