Anybody see the ESPN highlight of Jeff Driskel scoring the TD last night
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muschamp would never let anyone forget it, and label everything in his home and facility "Defense"...
He is probably thinking of Trey Burton's long TD run against Tenn in 2012. Driskel did have a real long one against Vandy that year.
I'm remember that well.
It felt like hope for just a minute.
I'm also surprised oozie hasn't brought up the most damning point: what happens when you look at his LATech numbers.
That was a good run too. Lack of speed and athleticism were never part of his many faults. He could not read a defense to save his life
He screwed up some read options in 2014 however. It was almost like he didn't process stuff fast enough.
I figured it was the one before the half from UT... I was at the 40 during the Vandy game eye level and he blew by all of them, I knew it was coming by the alignment they kept making the mistake on reading..
The best throw he ever made by far was the TD that basically sealed it to go ahead to Reed against UT with pressure in his face off the back foot. That was about the only time I actually thought he had what it took
The best throw he ever made by far was the TD that basically sealed it to go ahead to Reed against UT with pressure in his face off the back foot. That was about the only time I actually thought he had what it took
Driskel would of had a good college career if he actually got to play for the coach that recruited him and got to play in the offense he was recruited to run.
None of the UF offensive players ever reached their full potential under Muschamp due to his coaching style and due to the fact we had no offensive identity at all. It was a hodge podge of stuff with no consistency in the formations or play calls etc.
Ther was no offensive system under Muschamp. In fact we weren't strictly a Pro-style offense either.
None of the UF offensive players ever reached their full potential under Muschamp due to his coaching style and due to the fact we had no offensive identity at all. It was a hodge podge of stuff with no consistency in the formations or play calls etc.
Ther was no offensive system under Muschamp. In fact we weren't strictly a Pro-style offense either.
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no, he was not good enough... how can you still really believe that
from watching him go against high school defenses at La tech? He even sucked at UF against our worst opponents... his niners pre season drives were his football life at all levels in a nut shell just like the bad teams we played when he was at UF. Just clueless and out of place, he's not a QB in football. He's just disguised as one in practice cone drills and getting off the bus.. and has the deathly dumb glare to top it all off...
from watching him go against high school defenses at La tech? He even sucked at UF against our worst opponents... his niners pre season drives were his football life at all levels in a nut shell just like the bad teams we played when he was at UF. Just clueless and out of place, he's not a QB in football. He's just disguised as one in practice cone drills and getting off the bus.. and has the deathly dumb glare to top it all off...
Driskel could have been a better QB at UF had he another set of coaches not named Muschamp. . But he was never going to be a great one, and probably not even a good one.
Yes he could have had a good college career in an offense that fits his skill set. Plenty of QBs that never even sniffed the NFL had good college careers.
Had he played in a Urban Meyer, Chip Kelly, Rich Rodriguez or Gus Malzahn offense or an offense similar to those he would have done well. Nick Barnett for crying out loud was serviceable with Malzahn. Dennis Dixon was terrible and look what happened once Kelly started coaching him. What about Darron Thomas as Oregon's QB under Kelly. Neither Thomas nor Dixon were some big time QB talents. He would have been well coached, played in a system that fits what he can do and he would have played in an offense that actually had an identity. Offenses under Muschamp had no identity. Nobody really knew what they were supposed to be doing. You could see it in how the players played.
Your skill set has to match the style of offense that you are going to run, etc. You think Tim Tebow would have done as well playing in a Mike Leach offense. Didn't a guy by the name of Troy Aikman have to leave Oklahoma and go to UCLA to get into an offense that fits his strengths?
Driskel put up good stats playing for that bum Skip Holtz which by the way the La Tech offense wasn't a fit for Driskel either. Driskel has to play in a read-option offense to be successful.
Brissett could have been a good college QB as well. Oh wait he did do pretty decent once he left UF. Even Murphy did pretty decent once he left Muschamp and that was playing at BC with Steven Addazio. At least Addazio was smart enough to give Murphy an offensive system that fit his strengths and asked him to do things he could do instead of asking him to do things he wasn't capable of doing.
Had he played in a Urban Meyer, Chip Kelly, Rich Rodriguez or Gus Malzahn offense or an offense similar to those he would have done well. Nick Barnett for crying out loud was serviceable with Malzahn. Dennis Dixon was terrible and look what happened once Kelly started coaching him. What about Darron Thomas as Oregon's QB under Kelly. Neither Thomas nor Dixon were some big time QB talents. He would have been well coached, played in a system that fits what he can do and he would have played in an offense that actually had an identity. Offenses under Muschamp had no identity. Nobody really knew what they were supposed to be doing. You could see it in how the players played.
Your skill set has to match the style of offense that you are going to run, etc. You think Tim Tebow would have done as well playing in a Mike Leach offense. Didn't a guy by the name of Troy Aikman have to leave Oklahoma and go to UCLA to get into an offense that fits his strengths?
Driskel put up good stats playing for that bum Skip Holtz which by the way the La Tech offense wasn't a fit for Driskel either. Driskel has to play in a read-option offense to be successful.
Brissett could have been a good college QB as well. Oh wait he did do pretty decent once he left UF. Even Murphy did pretty decent once he left Muschamp and that was playing at BC with Steven Addazio. At least Addazio was smart enough to give Murphy an offensive system that fit his strengths and asked him to do things he could do instead of asking him to do things he wasn't capable of doing.
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sadgator remembers many Muschamp coached gator game performances giving him the runs.
It's almost as if people don't watch the games. Where is this ridiculous belief that we ran this antiquated offense 'not suited for his skillset' coming from? We ran a spread option in 2014, a spread option brought here specifically for him, what were the results? And that was behind a very good offensive line with Taylor and Jones in the backfield. 4/5 of that oline starts in the NFL now. And he was so bad he still got benched for Treon. And most damning, the offense improved tremendously with a true freshman Treon who is not a good QB at all.
Here's the facts, we ran a prostyle under Weis in 2011 but Driskel played all but a few series in that system, that's meaningless. In 2012 we ran a power spread under Peis and he had PLENTY of designed runs, in fact he was our second leading rusher with 118 attempts and 711 yards. 2013 he played in the same offense and once again had designed runs, so much so he got injured on one. And I've already mentioned 2014 where we ran a spread option FOR HIM. So please tell me where this narrative of him being forced to sit in the pocket in an offense not suited for him is coming from? And his supporters have yet to answer the question as to why the offense got better every time a different QB got put into the game. They were also receiving the same bad coaching, so doesn't that suggest Driskel was a large part of the problem?
Here's the facts, we ran a prostyle under Weis in 2011 but Driskel played all but a few series in that system, that's meaningless. In 2012 we ran a power spread under Peis and he had PLENTY of designed runs, in fact he was our second leading rusher with 118 attempts and 711 yards. 2013 he played in the same offense and once again had designed runs, so much so he got injured on one. And I've already mentioned 2014 where we ran a spread option FOR HIM. So please tell me where this narrative of him being forced to sit in the pocket in an offense not suited for him is coming from? And his supporters have yet to answer the question as to why the offense got better every time a different QB got put into the game. They were also receiving the same bad coaching, so doesn't that suggest Driskel was a large part of the problem?
I could maybe buy this Muschamp ruined him thing if he was a stud in HS or something, he wasn't even that. He threw for 130 yards per game in HS while completing 53% of his passes. He's always been a bad QB. He was ranked highly purely on his physical gifts. His fans see how big and fast he is and assume he's supposed to be good at the next level when he wasn't even good in HS, it's honestly insane. He was basically a running back in HS who ran over and around kids much smaller than him. He ran up and down the field without needing to pass, that doesn't work in the SEC or anywhere else high level football is played.
Didn't Pease have a good quote about being too aggressive on third down by throwing beyond the sticks.
Clearly they were more "aggressive" at La Tech and in the NFL.
Clearly they were more "aggressive" at La Tech and in the NFL.
We never ran a spread option or zone-read offense under Muschamp. Where are you getting that from?
You are clueless about his high school career. He played at Hagerty High School which was a brand new school when he went there. His first year Hagerty only played with freshmen and sophomores because it was a brand new school. He played against 5A competition in Seminole County. Seminole High School is in the same conference and won a state championship (Andre Debose was on that team). Hagerty played against teams from Seminole and Orange County. Driskel was QBing at Hagerty when they played against Oviedo and Blake Bortles was the QB at Oviedo. Heck when they faced off Driskel played much better than Bortles. Look who turned out to be the better QB. Yes Driskel is big but it wasn't like he was playing against 2A competion or something.
Didn't Hagerty beat or come close to beating the Lakeland Dreadnaughts in his senior year?
He could have had a good college career under an offense like Meyer, Kelly, Rich Rod or Malzahn where you don't have to make a lot of reads and the threat of the QB to run can open up passing lanes and make it much easier to complete passes.
Maybe we should have never recruited Tim Tebow if we are so concerned about a guy that is running through guys much smaller than him in high school. LOL
You are clueless about his high school career. He played at Hagerty High School which was a brand new school when he went there. His first year Hagerty only played with freshmen and sophomores because it was a brand new school. He played against 5A competition in Seminole County. Seminole High School is in the same conference and won a state championship (Andre Debose was on that team). Hagerty played against teams from Seminole and Orange County. Driskel was QBing at Hagerty when they played against Oviedo and Blake Bortles was the QB at Oviedo. Heck when they faced off Driskel played much better than Bortles. Look who turned out to be the better QB. Yes Driskel is big but it wasn't like he was playing against 2A competion or something.
Didn't Hagerty beat or come close to beating the Lakeland Dreadnaughts in his senior year?
He could have had a good college career under an offense like Meyer, Kelly, Rich Rod or Malzahn where you don't have to make a lot of reads and the threat of the QB to run can open up passing lanes and make it much easier to complete passes.
Maybe we should have never recruited Tim Tebow if we are so concerned about a guy that is running through guys much smaller than him in high school. LOL
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Roper runs/ran a spread option. Again it's almost like you people don't watch games or at a minimum have no clue what you're watching. We were running half field reads even back then to try and protect him and he couldn't execute those. So no just sticking him in that kinda offense wouldn't cure his problems, he played in that offense and actually had his worst season at UF.
And I'm not clueless about anything related to his HS, I'm well aware his school was new. That doesn't change the fact he was basically a huge running back in high school and wasn't a developed passer. At 6'3, 220 running 4.5 he was much bigger and faster than 90% of the defenses he played and was able to just go be a great athlete. He's never been good at actually playing QB.
And I'm not clueless about anything related to his HS, I'm well aware his school was new. That doesn't change the fact he was basically a huge running back in high school and wasn't a developed passer. At 6'3, 220 running 4.5 he was much bigger and faster than 90% of the defenses he played and was able to just go be a great athlete. He's never been good at actually playing QB.
For all the talk about him being good in an offense like Meyer's or Rich Rod's or Kelly's, their QB's actually put up great passing numbers in HS. Y'all think just letting him run read option every play is all it would take, it's honestly just stupid. Good luck beating anybody worth a damn doing that. You need to be a threat to throw and Driskel has never been that, his accuracy and ability to read coverage has always been his biggest faults, even simple coverages. But you guys are right, him being a practice squad and 3rd string QB despite being so talented is proof of his greatness! This can't be real life. With his talents he should be starting for someone but he can't, maybe all those coaches are just idiots and have no idea what he's really capable of. Just put him in a spread offense then watch him tear up the league.
This is dumb. The point isn't that it's a negative he ran over and through smaller players in HS, the point is that he could ONLY run over and around players he was much more athletic than on designed runs because he was a terrible passer even then. Tebow ran over and through smaller players and ALSO was an elite passer at that level. In case you need a reminder until a few years ago he was the state's all-time leading passer. But please tell me more about how Driskel's 130 yards passing per game and 53% completion is similar to what Tebow did. Maybe his HS coach was holding him back. All of Driskel's coaches just hold him back from being the great QB he really is.
He was good at LA Tech. You just discount his competition, which is valid. He played well there though. He played a lot better there than when he played the weaker games on Florida's schedule.
In Driskel's senior year at Hagerty he had a 59% completion percentage and averaged 162 yards passing per game & 16 passing TDs & 3 INTs. Nobody said he was great but he did get drafted and is currently in the NFL.
I do remember Roper having him run some read option and Driskel screwed that up half the time by keeping it or giving it up when he shouldn't have.
Except for a few games where pressure wasn't a huge issue you can just watch the game and understand where the term "Driskeling" came from. Watched a little of the beginning plays in that 2012 Georgia game looking to see if we were using a FB then and right off the bat he was "Driskeling" in that game its just most people remember the ending of the game and not his 3 turnovers.
Ok so he 'improved' his terrible passing numbers from 130 per game and 53% his junior year to 160 per game and 59% his senior year. You realize those are putrid passing numbers correct? And directly refutes the narrative that he was some stud QB ruined by coaching. He was in college what he was in HS...a great athlete capable of making plays with his legs but incapable of being an effective passer.
No I don't think those are putrid passing numbers when you consider the team he was on and the talent he had around him and who he was playing against. Hagerty only threw the ball 20 times a game.
He really didn't though, literally the only difference is that he got to throw it way more times.
In his three seasons at UF where he started he completed 63.7, 68.9, and 53.8% of his passes, or an average of 62%. At LA Tech against much worse competition...62%. Yards per attempt at UF were 6.7, 7.8, 5.4. At LA Tech it was 9, which is negligible pretty much from the 7 or 8 yards per attempt his first two years at UF, and again he played much better competition at UF. The difference? In 13 games at LA Tech he threw it 448 times, in 2012 when he started 12 games he threw it 245 times.
so if the argument is that if we let him throw it 200 more times he could put up better numbers against the weaker opponents on UF's schedule, then ok I guess. Not sure why that's supposed to be meaningful though.
LOL. There's always some excuse for why he doesn't perform. Now 160 yards passing a game for a '5-star' QB while barely completing half of them isn't horrible, I've heard it all now. Let's ignore that he was easily the most talented player on the field every Friday night.
This is right up there with you saying how he'd have been good in an offense like Chip Kelly's while ignoring that Chip Kelly drafted him and cut him after a few weeks. So apparently he doesn't agree with you that Driskel is a good fit in his offense. He must be another one of those clueless coaches that just can't see how good Driskel really is. The narrative is forever changing.
The percentages are with you because most guys don't make it in the NFL. So you can keep harping on how bad he is and you will probably never be proven wrong...
But the fact remains...a half way decent college coach at Florida could have developed and gotten production out of that guy...period. We had an ignoramous.
Why is it none of his coaches seem to be able to get production out of him? He 'produced' more at UF as a passer than he did in HS as a passer. Explain that one. I don't even care about the NFL. The numbers show irrefutably he was a bad passer in HS, so what y'all are really saying is our coaches couldn't turn a bad HS passer into a good college passer, how often does that happen exactly?
They seem to have gotten pretty good production out of him at La Tech...sadgator knows...bad competition (blah blah blah).
I've already refuted that. His 'production' on an efficiency basis was pretty much identical. The only difference is he got to throw is 200+ more times so he got more yards, he wasn't any more effective. See my response to Bradley.
Chicken-Egg. We will never know for sure...but sadgator will believe forever that the coach King Midas of Sh!t played an major role in that guy never being as good as he could have been. Thank goodness Mus wasn't the coach when Wuerff or Tebow came around. They probably would have been transfers too.
And he's always torn up cupcakes at UF. These are teams that were either FCS or lower level that he started against at UF:
BG: 10-16, 63%
Louisiana Lafayette: 13-16, 81%
Toledo: 17-22, 77%
Eastern Michigan: 31-45, 68%
For those keeping score at home, that's an average of 72% rate against cupcake teams. Those are all-world completion percentage numbers. Only difference between him at UF and LA Tech is he got to play 13 cupcakes instead of 2 and throw it way more times. But the narrative will continue I'm sure, facts be damned.
BG: 10-16, 63%
Louisiana Lafayette: 13-16, 81%
Toledo: 17-22, 77%
Eastern Michigan: 31-45, 68%
For those keeping score at home, that's an average of 72% rate against cupcake teams. Those are all-world completion percentage numbers. Only difference between him at UF and LA Tech is he got to play 13 cupcakes instead of 2 and throw it way more times. But the narrative will continue I'm sure, facts be damned.
Driskel had a very good QB rating (154.1) in his 1 year at La Tech. That is much higher than any QB rating he had at Florida. The highest QB rating he ever had at UF was 135.
In his senior year he had the 15th highest QB rating in the entire country.
In his senior year he had the 15th highest QB rating in the entire country.
I doubt it in the SEC. He just didn't seem to have it upstairs to process things fast enough when under real pressure.
He has enough turnover bloopers to cover 6 years starting at QB.
