Anybody heard how the special counsel investigating Joe Biden handling of classified documents is doing? Appointed in Jan.
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I'm sure they are doing their work. We will forget about it till a few weeks before the election he will release a report saying Biden is clean as a whistle.
But we know there's no dual criminal justice system and nobody's above the law only believed by a few dunces on here.
Maybe there isn't any issue since all docs were returned?
Do you not see the difference?
Jbfc yall are stubborn AF
Do you not see the difference?
Jbfc yall are stubborn AF
You mean Trump still has those documents? They found them at the Biden residence and seized them just as they did at Mara Lago.
Trust me that I'm not a Biden apologist but I had understood Biden invited the fed to search for documents and didn't stand in the way. The feds did not know if he did or did not have docs until the search
Trump knew he had illegal documents and was asked multiple timed to return them or face seizure.
This is an easy to understand difference if you are a 12 year old or older.
The refusal to return the docs is the issue...not the holding of.
A secondary issue is around the amount of classified docs and where they were stored.
Again, you know this already but being right with yall is way more important than doing right.
History will judge you much harsher than I can.
#heresyoursign
Trump knew he had illegal documents and was asked multiple timed to return them or face seizure.
This is an easy to understand difference if you are a 12 year old or older.
The refusal to return the docs is the issue...not the holding of.
A secondary issue is around the amount of classified docs and where they were stored.
Again, you know this already but being right with yall is way more important than doing right.
History will judge you much harsher than I can.
#heresyoursign
Well Bill...since you seem so very smart...WTF was a SENATOR, and VP doing with top secret documents anyway? (do not pretend you did not see this, lib)
EXACTLY...but libs have
NEVER been very bright. FIRST..they ALL are really not REAL Americans. NOT ONE. They sit back and watch the weaponization of EVERY federal law agency...and say ZERO. That is enough to make my statement true. Politics above the Constitution. SECONDLY...Brandon had those documents for DECADES. And they were NOT secure. and WTF is a SENATOR(most documents came from his time as Senator) doing with classified documents? Is THAT a crime in itself. THIRD...Brandons family has sold access to our gubment to our worst enemies....his son has, and Joe and family enriched themselves. This is 100% proven. Bill...did I misds some of your posts showing your outrage? (no, because your POLITIC are more important) meaning..you are NOT a REAL American, son.
EXCEPT THAT, Presidents and former Presidents are allowed to have documents WHILE VPs, former VPs, Senators and former Senators ARE NOT ALLOWED to have documents.
We do see the difference. PRESIDENT Trump had the ability to declassify documents at will.
VICE PRESIDENT Biden did not.
Libs always do this when it comes to their corruption. They try to spin that the OTHER SIDE is doing the same thing, so we need to be fair and target it on BOTH SIDES.
"Trump knew he had illegal documents". No, Trump had DECLASSIFIED documents that the media and left lied to you about and told you he couldn't declassify, so they were 'illegal'.
SMDH. You guys get lied to every day by the media, we try our best to educate you, we hold your hands and tell you how they are lying to you, and you refuse to believe and keep running back to the media to hear more lies.
And WE are the stubborn ones????
And Trump as President had nearly unlimited declassification powers EVEN OVER nuclear documents. Biden as VICE PRESIDENT did not.
But the media spun that he didn't, and that he had 'illegal' documents, and Trump haters ran with it.
But we are the stubborn ones.
So you are either a Biden apologist, or you are as naive as a 12 year old.
So let me see if I understand what YOU THINK happened here:
Trump steals classified documents. FBI asks him to please return them. He says eff you! FBI has no choice but to seize ILLEGAL documents that Trump had. Could have all been avoided if TRUMP THE ASSHOLE hadn't STOLEN THEM.
Biden sees Trump STOLE documents. He calls up FBI "Hey guys, I see that Trump asshole stole some documents. I'm a patriot so I would never do that, but if you good folks want to come down here and check out my garage where I park my Corvette or the Penn Center where I house my massive donations from Chyyyna, feel free. I will have Jill make us all some nice tapioca pudding, and afterwards we can go hang out by the pool and you guys can rub the hair on my legs. Did you know the black kids love touching my hairy legs? Anyway, you guys come on down anytime, always happy to help cause I'm a REAL AMERICAN!'
But yeah, you're the smart one here, we are just stubborn MAGAts.
Did Trump declassify the documents? No.
His staff even testified that there was no order to declassify.
Can Trump declassify the documents? Some yes, some no.
Some need to go through a process to declassify...which never happened.
Some need to go through Congress...which never happened.
1. Trump never followed procedure
2. Trump continued to hold onto the documents after many attempts to retrieve
All he had to do was follow a process or give them back.
He did neither. Y'all talk about laws and following them until they're inconvenient for your narrative.
Common sense isn't common anymore
His staff even testified that there was no order to declassify.
Can Trump declassify the documents? Some yes, some no.
Some need to go through a process to declassify...which never happened.
Some need to go through Congress...which never happened.
1. Trump never followed procedure
2. Trump continued to hold onto the documents after many attempts to retrieve
All he had to do was follow a process or give them back.
He did neither. Y'all talk about laws and following them until they're inconvenient for your narrative.
Common sense isn't common anymore
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most of this post if factually false.
Let’s start with this. Please link the governing document for a President to declassify a document. Not a politico article. The governing document.
Let’s cross that bridge first. All the other stuff you mentioned is nonsense without that.
Federal Register :: Request Access
www.ecfr.gov
Fact check explores presidential authority to declassify
More than two months after FBI agents seized boxes of materials at former President Donald Trump’s Florida residence, known as Mar-a-Lago, the federal investigation continues amid conflicting legal interpretations of a president’s authority
What about the senator and VP's authority to declassify docs?Federal Register :: Request Access
www.ecfr.gov
Fact check explores presidential authority to declassify
More than two months after FBI agents seized boxes of materials at former President Donald Trump’s Florida residence, known as Mar-a-Lago, the federal investigation continues amid conflicting legal interpretations of a president’s authoritywww.americanbar.org
100% same issue which is why they were voluntarily released back to the FBI
How they compare: Trump, Biden, Pence classified documents
There are plenty of similarities — but also a major difference — among the classified-records situations of President Joe Biden, former President Donald Trump and Trump's vice president, Mike Pence.
apnews.com
Which is why he's focusing on what liberal sources are claiming happened, versus what actually happened and what was authorized to happen.
While telling us he's not a Biden apologist. We deserve better than the 'independents' we have here.
Federal Register :: Request Access
www.ecfr.gov
Fact check explores presidential authority to declassify
More than two months after FBI agents seized boxes of materials at former President Donald Trump’s Florida residence, known as Mar-a-Lago, the federal investigation continues amid conflicting legal interpretations of a president’s authority
Now that you have done this. Point to the CFR, and the language used for a PRESIDENT. Not other officials. The President. Again. I will be waiting. As your article points out. A President has never been challenged on his authority. Want to know why?Federal Register :: Request Access
www.ecfr.gov
Fact check explores presidential authority to declassify
More than two months after FBI agents seized boxes of materials at former President Donald Trump’s Florida residence, known as Mar-a-Lago, the federal investigation continues amid conflicting legal interpretations of a president’s authority
Like I said, don’t show me an opinion article, show me the facts.
My guess is someones sock drawer was getting to be a very strong stench.
I wonder if he knows how many times I have walked this path?
Where is the executive order to declassify?
The american bar association and the AP are liberal sources?
JBFC. Yet another reason why I need to stay off this board. Yall are fn nuts.
The american bar association and the AP are liberal sources?
JBFC. Yet another reason why I need to stay off this board. Yall are fn nuts.
So no CFR eh? Couldn’t find any?
Couldn’t find the actual regulation?
Looks like another hit and run fellas.
Back to the drawing board for you.
That's because Trump doesn't need an order to declassify. Goodness.
This is how you get hoodwinked by the media. The media reports "Trump didn't declassify the documents. His own staff testified that there was no order given by Trump to declassify the documents in question."
And you go 'A-Ha! That proves the documents were still classified! It proves Trump broke the law!'
No, it proves you are gullible.
If they didn't need to go through a process to be declassified, then that explains why it never happened.
I hate to break it to you, but the person that decides what the President can and cannot declassify....is the President. And he can effectively make up the rules as he goes.
See above.
Yes he did. The media has told you that Trump must follow procedure and that procedure is filling out an order, maybe even going to Congress to get approval. That's not correct.
You got hoodwinked. Because they told you the story you wanted to hear, that Trump did something wrong, so you didn't bother to do your own research.
An executive order isn't a requirement for the President to declassify a document.
See what I mean? You were lied to, now you are passing off their lies as being your knowledge.
Again. You weren’t able to find the cfr? How come? Thought maybe I finally found a good challenge. I was wrong.
Ask him to tell you what person gives permission to the President as to whether or not he can declassify something. That should be good as well.So no CFR eh? Couldn’t find any?
Couldn’t find the actual regulation?
Looks like another hit and run fellas.
Back to the drawing board for you.
Liberals can repeat the talking points, but when you ask them to defend them, we crazy and they ghost.
Ends the same every time. “Trump broke the law”.
Ok, which law?
“Here’s a link to vanity fair”
Ok, but please post a link to the law that was broken.
“you guys are crazy”
Ok, So…no law?
“Bye”
Capt - on this one, had Trump just returned the documents like Biden and Pence and THEN if he was charged and the others were not, then sure.
Why let the "deep state" take an easy shot? If he had returned all of the documents, except the one where Milley was recommending to attack Iran (against, I believe Milley public statements), then yes, I get it. But it seems there was no rhyme or reason to what he retained.
Trump's real trouble is not this though, it's Georgia. No Pardon and he is on the phone asking for 13,000 votes.
Back to Biden, and especially Hunter, where is the special counsel and indictments against Joe when he LIED on the debate stage (now, he is not under oath....) about Chinese dealings.
That is true. There needs to be a law. And Vanity Fair is not a Barbee (sp?) legal handbook.
He is?
Here's the actual transcript from the call in question:
Please show us where Trump asks for a single vote to be given to him.
Is this an admission your whole post was BS lies? Because I THOUGHT you were fairly bright..however everything you posted was WRONG. But then again, NO ONE has ever claimed little libbies were very bright.
I want to go back to the transcript of this call:
You guys still don't know how to read Trump. You let the media tell you that this call was about Trump trying to convince Raffensberger to change the outcome of the election.
That wasn't the purpose of the call. At all.
"Oh, I don’t know, look Brad. I got to get … I have to find 12,000 votes and I have them times a lot. And therefore, I won the state. That’s before we go to the next step, which is in the process of right now. You know, and I watched you this morning and you said, uh, well, there was no criminality.
But I mean, all of this stuff is very dangerous stuff. When you talk about no criminality, I think it’s very dangerous for you to say that."
The purpose of that call was to get the GA people on the call to go on record saying that they looked into the process, and that it was safe and secure and that no one did anything wrong.
If you think this will be the last case where this phone call is a centerpiece, then you haven't been paying attention.
You guys still don't know how to read Trump. You let the media tell you that this call was about Trump trying to convince Raffensberger to change the outcome of the election.
That wasn't the purpose of the call. At all.
"Oh, I don’t know, look Brad. I got to get … I have to find 12,000 votes and I have them times a lot. And therefore, I won the state. That’s before we go to the next step, which is in the process of right now. You know, and I watched you this morning and you said, uh, well, there was no criminality.
But I mean, all of this stuff is very dangerous stuff. When you talk about no criminality, I think it’s very dangerous for you to say that."
The purpose of that call was to get the GA people on the call to go on record saying that they looked into the process, and that it was safe and secure and that no one did anything wrong.
If you think this will be the last case where this phone call is a centerpiece, then you haven't been paying attention.
See? This is why this board is an echo chamber.
Libs here do nothing but repeat media talking points. We ask them to defend their talking points, they say yall crazy, and disappear.
That's why we have an echo chamber.
Libs here do nothing but repeat media talking points. We ask them to defend their talking points, they say yall crazy, and disappear.
That's why we have an echo chamber.
