More good news for next year. The defense is going to be really really good and is going to give us a chance in all our ball games. Offense is going to be the key again to the season.
Antonio Morrison returning for senior year
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I saw his knee give out on the replay but it was the outside of his knee..
The offense will never be as bad or look as pathetic as it has been, Driskel will not even be in the same state during our games.. and Treon has no chance of winning the starting job
The offense will never be as bad or look as pathetic as it has been, Driskel will not even be in the same state during our games.. and Treon has no chance of winning the starting job
Don't forget captain 3 and out has moved on to Lousiana something or another. The moment we got Harris hurt by running him up the middle repeatedly and Driskel went in the game, that's when our 5 or 6 consecutive 3 and outs began. I knew at that point our scoring for the day was over with and it was up to the defense to get us through to the final 0:00 on the clock. Not till the last two drives could he even manage to get first downs while managing the offense.
This is the guy that went 7 straight quarters (Alabama and the first 3 against UT) without getting the offense past the 50 yard line. That's nearly 2 straight games that he could not sustain a single drive halfway down the field.
Not sure why you guys are writing Treon off. He has A LOT of work to do to become a good QB, but most freshmen do. I feel like y'all are doing the same thing with Grier as y'all did with Driskel all over again. Grier has the advantage in all the measurables and throwing talent, but there's something to be said for being able to rally guys and have them wanting to play for you, which Treon does both on this team and in recruiting apparently. It doesn't matter how much talent you have if you can't command the huddle. And that's not to say that Grier can't, so don't take it that way, just more saying we don't know if he can or not.
Plus, why would you want Treon to leave anyway? It would literally be Driskel all over again. Run off competition before one QB proves himself then if he doesn't work out you're stuck with true freshmen and unproven guys behind him, it's a disaster waiting to happen. I don't want anybody on this team handed a job. I don't care who wins but whoever does better have had to beat out 2 quality prospects for the job.
Plus, why would you want Treon to leave anyway? It would literally be Driskel all over again. Run off competition before one QB proves himself then if he doesn't work out you're stuck with true freshmen and unproven guys behind him, it's a disaster waiting to happen. I don't want anybody on this team handed a job. I don't care who wins but whoever does better have had to beat out 2 quality prospects for the job.
I am not writing him off and remain a huge fan. Guys on the offense play very hard for him, but, I am going to go back to what I have been saying, I see us in the typical Nuss at Bsma set in which Treon's skill set is not fit. I truly believe at this stage in his career he will move on. Yes I realize that leaves us Grier, Skylar, and whatever freshman we get, but I don't think Treon much cares what the UF depth chart looks like. I could be wrong but I think Treon's 'open competition' against Grier will be about like those who 'openly competed' against Grier the last few years. So I, for one, am certainly not writing of Treon the player, just his future in our system.
McElwain/Nuss will go with whatever QB is best. Period. My concerns with Treon are his lack of passing accuracy. Treon won't transfer regardless in the summer, etc. They aren't going to name a starting QB coming out of the spring. Starting QB won't be announces until sometime next fall.
Treon throws the ball 'well enough' to run the systems of guys like Gus, RichRod, Chad Morris, but I don't think he fits Mac's CSU system very well at all.
Are you sure you know what Mac's system is? Because right now he is recruiting Deandre Francois and Lamar Jackson at QB. Will Grier is also a pretty athletic kid, not as athletic as Harris, but athletic enough that he can make some plays with his feet.
This post was edited on 1/7 12:56 PM by PacoGator19
At Fresno/CSU = 1back spread passing. At Bama = 3 yards and a punt. Pocket passers are dinosaurs at the collegiate level, look no further than the playoff. I mean Jackson is committed to Petrino, who is somewhat similar to Mac's CSU and Francois to FSU where Jimbo runs a relative pro-style.
I certainly wouldn't describe Bama's offense at any time with McElwain was 3 yards and a punt. In 2010 Bama's offense was 5th in the nation in yards per play and in 2011 their offense was 12th in the nation in yards per play. Heck even the 2 years under Nussmeier at Bama the Bama offense was 5th in the country in yards per play in both 2012 and 2013. So that certainly isn't 3 yards and a punt. Obviously the CSU offense was different and was 4th in the country in yards per play this past season.
Can someone please post a video link of all of Will Grier's college game experience so I can compare him to Treon for myself?
I wouldn't be so sure about that. Treon got the backup job after not being here in the Spring and got valuable experience as a true freshman. People bring up that he wanted to redshirt but Roper said they were going with Treon as the backup because they felt he gave us the best chance to win out of the QBs if Driskel had to be replaced. I know people love the guy that hasn't played usually but Grier didn't have near the competition Treon did in high school and about 80% of top rated QBs never work out in college.
They have that vanilla limited defense spring game stuff that made even Driskel look like he was doing good.
In the national totle game v LSU they threw the ball downfield once, for a 22 yd pass. That is '3 yds and a punt'
LOL. So in a 3-4 year time span guy chose 1 game over stats that span over 3-4 years. Makes a lot of sense. Not to mention you picked a game they won the national title.
All I am saying is this: if CJM and Nuss intend to come in here and run people over we are YEARS from being able to do that. Switching coaches is getting old, but if we emulate that crap this will look just like the Chump era. I said it the day Chump arrived, that crap win't work at UF. Now if we come out in his CSU stuff, we could be explosive and win.
I have no idea his intention, neither does anyone else. I remain positive and hopeful to see an open and aggressive offense as promised by JF. And while numbers wete put up at Bama, it was anything but aggressive.
Time will tell.
I know it's popular to blame everything on Muschamp, but Treon only had moments of great play. In other instances he played just as poorly as Driskel.
Also, Roper didn't show us anything different in the bowl game than he did the rest of the year. So there's that.
Grier is likely going to be the guy and I think he's going to be very good.
Also, Roper didn't show us anything different in the bowl game than he did the rest of the year. So there's that.
Grier is likely going to be the guy and I think he's going to be very good.
His accuracy was just as bad, if not worse. But his judgment seems to be a bit better.
Both have 9 TDs but Jeff has 10 ints and Treon only has 4 ints.
Agreed, though two of those TDs came against EMU. I'm driving right now but I wonder what their numbers look like just in SEC play.
What is the point of this debate? With Treon the team looked like they had a prayer of scoring. With JD, no chance. JD is a really bad QB and it's hard to believe he played as much as he did for such a big program in a state where there is tons of talent every year. Treon is not Tebow but I say make it an open competition and may the best QB win. Treon is an extremely allusive runner but I worry he can't take a season of hits. He will need to greatly improve his accuracy if he is going to succeed as a QB. Just not big enough to rely on running all the time
That's actually not true, at all. A lot of the things people attribute to poor accuracy is really a matter of timing and miscommunication. A perfect example of this is the 4th down pass in the FSU game. Everybody and their mama was blowing up about how bad the ball was thrown and how it was behind D-Rob when the reality is that if was miscommunication AND it was D-Rob's fault. FSU ran zone and D-Rob cleared behind the linebacker and should have sat down, Treon threw the ball where he should have been but because he ran through the zone the ball ended up being behind him. So it looks like poor accuracy when it's really on the receiver.
Same with his deep ball. He's really, really bad there but from what I see it's mainly timing. He waits until a guy clears to throw it and by then it's too late because the safety has time to recover and make a play. So it looks like he's underthrowing it or not accurately leading a guy when it's just that his timing is way off. Which is weird because on his short throws the ball is out of his hand instantly, which is a good sign because it means he's identifying presnap and diagnosing quickly.
I think all of that should improve with more experience, should. I don't think he'll ever be a really good or even elite QB, but he's good enough to win an SEC title with if he ends up starting long-term. I mean scrubs like Greg McElroy, Jordan Jefferson, and Blake Sims have won SEC titles in recent years.
