Recruiting Panic??

[MDM9093]

Looks to me like you might just be ON your period....
(does anyone know how to access the Gator roster and a recruiting boards, much less the last season's 10 win results?) MDM looks like the newest idiot version of a Mad-Dog-Dollie...
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Soph's, rsFr, Fr, and JuCo's were brought in by Mc-staff, add-um up.
(14 OL, 8 LB, 8 DE/DT, 3 DB)

#2 OT David Sharpe 6-6 347 Jr ***** - Jacksonville, FL
#32 OT Andrew Mike 6-6 303 rsSo *** - Tucson, AZ
#1 OG/OT Martez Ivey 6-5 312 So ***** - Apopka, FL (Fr OG All SEC Team)
#155 OT Fredrick Johnson 6-6 315 So *** - West Palm Beach, FL (underrated, Starter)
#21 OT Kavaris Harkless 6-5 307 Fr **** - Jacksonville, FL

#20 OG/C Cameron Dillard 6-4 308 rsJr **** - Canton, MI
#76 OC/OG T.J. McCoy 6-1 395 rsFr *** - Clermont, FL
#8 OC Brett Heggie 6-4 304 Fr **** - Mount Dora, FL

#27 OG/DE Antonio Riles 6-4 311 rsJr **** - Lawrenceville, GA
#3 OG/C Tyler Jordan 6-4 295 So **** - Jacksonville, FL
#36 OG Brandon Sandifer 6-3 339 rsFr **** - Warner Robins, GA
#79 OG/DT Richerd Desir-Jones 6-4 297 rsFr *** - Fort Lauderdale, FL
#105 OG Nick Buchanan 6-2 309 rsFr *** - Dunwoody, GA
#46 OG Jawaan Taylor 6-4 345 Fr *** - Cocoa, FL
#89 OG/OT Stone Forsythe 6-8 314 Fr *** - Winter Garden, FL - EE
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OT Marcel Benalcazar 6-7 333 Sr ** - Miramar, FL W-O (xfer from FSU)
OG Zach Shinn 6-2 287 rsSo ** - Plant City, FL W-O
OG Marcus Givens 6-0 272 rsFr ** - Saint Augustine, FL W-O
OG Nick Villano 6-2 293 rsFr ** - Wellington, FL W-O
OG Donovan Welch 6-4 263 rsFr ** - Clermont, FL W-O

* 2017 Recruit - #23 OT Kadeem Telfort 6-6 323 **** 5.8 (also an ESPN Top 300)
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#1 ILB Alex Anzalone 6-3 244 Sr ***** - Wyomissing, PA
#3 ILB Daniel McMillian 6-1 219 Sr **** - Jacksonville, FL
#47 OLB Jarrad Davis 6-2 230 Sr *** - Kingsland, GA (way underrated - starter)
#5 OLB Mat Rolin 6-3 216 rsJr **** - Ashburn, VA
NR OLB Rayshad Jackson 6-0 221 rsFr*** - Miami, FL
#26 ILB David Reese 6-0 240 4.8/40 Fr **** - Farmington, MI - EE (sleeper)
#17 OLB Vosean Joseph 6-2 207 5.0/40 Fr **** - Miami, FL
#24 OLB Jeremia Moon 6-4 210 4.7/40 Fr **** - Hoover, AL
* OLB Kylan Johnson 6-1 228 rsFr *** (QB) came to UF as a SS, now moved to OLB
Spring game: led the defense with 8 Tkl's, 6 Solo, 1 QBH, 1 Int.
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LB Steven Stipe 5-11 210 rsJr ** - Waycross, GA
LB Cristian Garcia 6-1 233 rsJr ** - Miami, FL
LB R.J. Raymond 6-2 236 rsSo ** - Atlantic Beach, FL
LB Darius Singletary 6-1 197 rsFr ** - Jacksonville, FL
LB Jahim Lawrence 5-11 223 rsFr ** - Hollywood, FL
LB Will Thomas 5-9 222 Fr ** - Dunnellon, FL
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17. #9 wsDE/RUSH Jordan Sherit 6-4 250 rsJr **** - Vero Beach, FL (OLB/DE)
97. NR DE/RUSH Justus Reed 6-3 240 rsSo *** - Clearwater, FL (OLB/DE)

94. #62 DE Bryan Cox Jr 6-3 268 rsSr *** - Ft Lauderdale, FL
55. #2 DT/DE Thomas Holley 6-3 267 rsSo ***** - Brooklyn, NY
70. NR DL Forrest Palmore 6-2 240 ** - rsSo - Punta Gorda, FL
96. #2 DE/DT CeCe Jefferson 6-1 275 So ***** - Glen St. Mary, FL (Freshman All SEC Team)
95. #138 DE Keivonnis Davis 6-4 230 So *** - Miami, FL
92. #45 DE/DT Jabari Zuniga 6-3 240 rsFr *** - Marietta, GA (Wt is down from 263)
98. #148 DE Like Ancrum 6-5 251 rsFr *** - Sebring, FL
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?? #2 DE Antonneous Clayton 6-3 217 4.70/40 Fr ***** - Vienna, GA
42. #29 DE Jordan Smith 6-5 225 Fr **** - Lithonia, GA - EE
?? #47 DE Jachai Polite 6-3 248 Fr ****
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91. #12 DE/DT Joey Ivie 6-3 295 Sr **** - Dade City, FL (DE grew into starting DT)
57. #6 DT Caleb Brantley 6-2 314 rsJr **** - Crescent City, FL
55. #2 DT Thomas Holley 6-3 320 rsSo ***** - Brooklyn, NY (down to 260, super shape)
54. #21 DT Khairi Clark 6-2 325 rsSo **** - Hollywood, FL
93. #35 DT/DE Taven Bryan 6-5 292 rsSo *** - Casper, WY (DE grew into DT)
62. #44 DT Andrew Ivie 6-1 302 rsFr *** - Dade City, FL (Joey's brother)
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Current Gator DB's = CB - Nickel - Free Safety - Strong Safety - OLB

90% of the Gator Secondary Players can play several, or all of those 5 positions.
The smaller/faster guys can play any of the first 3 positions, the bigger/stronger guys can play the last 3 positions, with a few of the most athletic being able to play any of the 5 positions.

#5 FS Marcus May 6-0 210 rsSr - AA
#8 SS Marcell Harris 6-1 207 rsJr
#14 CB/Nic Nick Washington 6-0 198 rsJr

#16 CB/Nic Duke Dawson 5-10 202 Jr
#15 CB Quincy Wilson 6-1 211 Jr
#2 CB Jalen Tabor 6-0 200 Jr - AA
NR CB (jc) Joseph Putu 6-1 190 Jr *** - Providence, RI (10 Ints in 2015 - flip from Ark)
#58 Ath/CB Chris Williamson 5-11 192 So
#2 CB/Nic/FS Chauncey Gardner 5-11 205 Fr
#51 CB/RB McArthur Burnett 5-9 172 Fr
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DB Michael Iorio 5-10 197 rsSr
DB Mark Norvelis 5-10 193 rsSr
DB Garrett Stephend 5-9 182 rsJr
DB Eddie Giles 5-9 164 rsSo

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So yep, the cupboard is completely empty of any quality, just 2-3 stars with not even enough of them...... --

With 2017 ESPN Top 300's at QB-WR-OT-TE.

David Sharpe for instance, is a 4 star.

Harkliss is a three star man! Bhahaha.
Come on....You have him as a four star. There are a dozen other guys like that in your list.


Try COMPOSITE rankings and your entire mind will be blown. It's just a better average so you don't put all our eggs into one basket. It gives you perspective dude. Yikes. This is crazy, whatever you just posted. Ha.

Nobody can read your posts in their entirety and comprehend them....just an FYI.

 

[instaGATOR]

Nobody can read your posts in their entirety and comprehend them....just an FYI.

So, wouldn't it serve you and any other's with that opinion to just put me on ignore, or at least not constantly make dweeb comments about what you can't/don't read or understand?
(sounds like an 'eye of the beholder' problem to me)

Otherwise, it looks like you're going out of your way to stalk/troll my postings here. (bingo)

PS

When were you elected to attempt to speak for EVERYBODY? bs

I'm still generating 'likes' to my posts, but I guess you missed that too...

 

[instaGATOR]

Per Rivals Recruiting:
Long established Bob Stoops vs 15 months Jim McElwain.

2016 - #20 OK - 19 -- 1 - 8 -- 7 -- 3
2016 - #14 UF - 25 -- 1 - 9 - 13 - 2

2015 -- #14 OK - 24 -- 0 - 14 - 10 - 0
2015 - # 23 UF - 21 -- 2 --- 5 - 11 - 3

2 Class Ave -- #17.0 OK - 21.5 -- .5 - 11 - 8.5 -- 1.5
2 Class Ave -- #18.5 UF - 23.0 - 1.5 -- 7 - 12.0 - 2.3

2015 OK was 11-2 and lost to Clemson by double digits in their bowl game.
2015 UF was 10-4 and lost to Michigan by double digits in their bowl game.

Considering the time in job and the difference between the SEC and what's left of the Big-12, I'd say that coach Mc is doing pretty good so far....

It means nothing in particular, I was just going for a little recruiting perspective....

 

[MDM9093]

Haha. You are delusional is all. I actually respect the Gators and do think Mac is a good coach. He gets it. But RIGHT NOW, in the last TWO classes....recruiting is not up to snuff. Which just happens to be his first two classes. I don't care who or why...of course there are reasons why. Not the point. The Gators are not recruiting at THEIR OWN standard, as a football program.

Now, ....most people know this. Gators fan, noles fan, whoever.....it's common knowledge.

You can try to spin, or justify with meaningless comparisons to Oklahoma?? RANDOM. Or whoever?!

But at the end of the day, I just have a better understanding of the gators expectations and what they EXPECT from their own recruiting. (which leads to onfield results versus rivals)

The gators and the powers at be, expect a top 10 class. Being they are the only Florida school in the SEC, this seems pretty damn reasonable.....and why it's considered a great job. So mac sucks if he can't get top 10 classes starting now.

Save all the crazy diagrams and inflated rankings on your part. I just laid it down how it is in real life. Mac now needs a top 10 class and he should be able to do it in his sleep this year.

 

[ZZ1059]

When were you elected to attempt to speak for EVERYBODY? bs

I elected him yesterday. On the condition it made your posting day more difficult.

 

[instaGATOR]

You and the dog-poker agree, so welcome to their circle...

As to difficult...
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For those with lots of recruit ranking experience, but very few actual working brains:
IT'S THE W/L TOTALS STUPID!

If a Gator coach has 4 consecutive Top 5 classes, but a 7-5 average W/L total, he's fired.
If a Gator coach has 4 consecutive Top 20 classes with a 10 win average, he gets a raise.
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Extraneous Recruiting Facts: (per rival recruiting)

2016 - #14 Class - W/L results are yet to be seen. Up 9 in class ranking.
2015 - #23 Class - 10-4, 7-1 SEC, 6-0 SECe-C - previous 4 classes 27/4 = 6.75
McElwain Hired

2014 - #8 Class - 7-5 --- Previous 4 classes were 21/4 = 5.25 Ranked
2013 - #4 Class - 4-8
2012 - #3 Class - 11-2
2011 - #12 Class - 7-6 --- previous 4 classes were 17/4 = 4.25 Ranked
Musclecramp Hired

2010 - #2 Class - 8-5, 4-4 SEC >> previous 4 Classes 18/4 = 4.5 Ranked
2009 - #11 Class - 13-1, 8-1 SECe-C --- Bama SEC-C & BCS-NC
2008 - #3 Class - 13-1 SEC-C, BCS-NC
2007 - #1 Class - 9-4, 5-3 SEC
2006 - #2 Class - 13-1 SEC-C & BCS-NC
2005 - #15 Class - 9-3 --- Previous 3 classes were 32/3 = 10.7 ranked
Meyer Hired

2004 - #10 Class - 7-4, didn't coach bowl, UF finished 7-5. Previous 2 classes 12/2 = #6 Ranked
2003 - #2 Class - 8-5
2002 - #20 Class - 8-5
Zook Hired

2001 - #?? - Spurrier's final season was 10-2, UF 56-23 Maryland in Orange Bowl.
UF Finished 6-2 SEC - 4-1 SECe, Tenn SECe-C, AU SEC-C
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For the many who won't be able to understand that either, let me condense it for ya:

2001 - #?? - Spurrier's final season was 10-2, UF 56-23 Maryland in Orange Bowl.

2004 - #10 Class - 7-4, UF finished 7-5. Previous 2 classes 12/2 = #6 Ranked

2005 - #15 Class - 9-3 --- Previous 3 classes were 32/3 = 10.7 ranked <<<< 9-3

2010 - #2 Class - 8-5, 4-4 SEC >> previous 4 Classes 18/4 = 4.5 Ranked <<<< 8-5

2011 - #12 Class -7-6 --- previous 4 classes were 17/4 = 4.25 Ranked <<<< 7-6

2014 - #8 Class - 7-5 --- Previous 4 classes were 21/4 = 5.25 Ranked <<<< 7-5

2015 - #23 Class - 10-4, 7-1 SEC, 6-0 SECe-C - Previous 4 classes 27/4 = 6.75 <<<< 10-4

IT'S THE W/L TOTALS STUPID, -- who G-a-S about what some twit ranks the classes!

The older guys here mostley know that, It's not the 'dog in the fight - it's the fight in the dog!'
And who it is that's coaching up that particular group of dogs....

 

[93nole99]

It's stupid to look at a recruiting class rank for a particular year, and then look at the following season's W-L record when those recruits typically play very little if at all. Sorry Insta...too many wins/losses for coaches who are using players they didn't recruit in your "analysis".

 

[instaGATOR]

[QUOTE="93nole99, post: 747306, member: 758"]It's stupid to look at a recruiting class rank for a particular year, and then look at the following season's W-L record when those recruits typically play very little if at all. Sorry Insta...too many wins/losses for coaches who are using players they didn't recruit in your "analysis".[/QUOTE]

Another that can't understand I see. Go get some FL-A&M student to explain things for ya.

I showed the 4 PREVIOUS RECRUITING CLASSES AVERAGES, and their resulting W/L record.

Let me see if I can put a spoon-fed, moron filter on the info for ya...

2002 - I used rivals and their site's class rankings didn't go back further than 2002.

2004 - Previous 2 classes 12/2 = #6 Ranked <<<< 7-4 Zook's last year.

2005 - Previous 3 classes 32/3 = 10.7 ranked <<<< 9-3 - Meyer's 1st year.

2010 - Previous 4 Classes 18/4 = 4.5 Ranked <<<< 8-5 - Meyer's last year.

2011 - Previous 4 classes 17/4 = 4.25 Ranked <<<< 7-6 Musclecramp's 1st year.

2014 - Previous 4 classes 21/4 = 5.25 Ranked <<<<< 7-5 Musclecramp's last year.

2015 - Previous 4 classes 27/4 = 6.75 Ranked <<<< 10-4 McElwain's 1st year.

Shows that years team's 4 year average recruit class ranking, and the coaches W/L record.

So yep, someone here certainly is STUPID.... (check a mirror)

Meyer did better than Zook with a lesser (4 yr ave) ranked 2005 team.
McElwain did better than musclecramp with a lesser (4 yr ave) ranked 2015 team.
Showing that recruit class rankings average teams are NOT a 1 to 1 correlation to the W/L records.

And that is why I'll trust the Mc-Staff more than any recruit ranking service, or any supposed consensus ranking of any group of those low paid twits.

Another group (SEC Media Daze) had UF/McElwain finishing at #5 (7-5 at best) in the SECe.
They instead went 10-4, 7-1 SEC, 6-0 SECe-C..... (close, and so much for the consensus twits)

 

[WestlakeGator]

You are not going to win the SEC without consistent top-10 ranked classes. The support is that no team has won the SEC in the last 20 years without having top-10 classes.

 

[instaGATOR]

Support this:

Give me Bama's average recruit ranking for Saban's teams, then the number of SEC-C's he's won.

UGly routinely out-recruit UF (on paper), so give me Spurrier's W/L record against them.

Show me all of the SEC team that have had Top 10 classes and NOT won the SEC-C.

The Head does not 'cause' the donkey's Tail....

 

[WestlakeGator]

Support this:

Give me Bama's average recruit ranking for Saban's teams, then the number of SEC-C's he's won.

UGly routinely out-recruit UF (on paper), so give me Spurrier's W/L record against them.

Show me all of the SEC team that have had Top 10 classes and NOT won the SEC-C.

The Head does not 'cause' the donkey's Tail....

I'm not sure why you want the average recruiting rankings for Bama and how many SEC titles they have won. Bama has been the most dominating team in college football since Saban got there. His recruiting classes are ranked exactly as you would expect and make my argument that recruiting rankings matter. I only used Rivals but here are Bama's recruiting classes since Saban arrived:
2007 10th ranked class (transition class)
2008 No.1 ranked class
2009 No. 1 ranked class
2010 No. 5 ranked class
2011 No. 1 ranked class
2012 No. 1 ranked class
2013 No. 1 ranked class
2014 No. 1 ranked class
2015 No. 2 ranked class
2016 No. 1 ranked class
Bama won national titles in 2009, 2011, 2012 and 2015.
Spurrier only had 2 classes ranked outside the top-10 in his 12 years at Florida and won numerous SEC titles.
Every year there are a few SEC teams that have consistently had top-10 classes and DO NOT win the SEC. That point is irrelevant. The salient point is that every team in that has won the SEC title in the last 20 years had recruiting classes leading up to the title that were consistently within the top-10. The 20 years of data suggests that you will not win an SEC title without having recruiting classes ranked in the top-10.

 

[nail1988]

Per Rivals Recruiting:
Long established Bob Stoops vs 15 months Jim McElwain.

2016 - #20 OK - 19 -- 1 - 8 -- 7 -- 3
2016 - #14 UF - 25 -- 1 - 9 - 13 - 2

2015 -- #14 OK - 24 -- 0 - 14 - 10 - 0
2015 - # 23 UF - 21 -- 2 --- 5 - 11 - 3

2 Class Ave -- #17.0 OK - 21.5 -- .5 - 11 - 8.5 -- 1.5
2 Class Ave -- #18.5 UF - 23.0 - 1.5 -- 7 - 12.0 - 2.3

2015 OK was 11-2 and lost to Clemson by double digits in their bowl game.
2015 UF was 10-4 and lost to Michigan by double digits in their bowl game.

Considering the time in job and the difference between the SEC and what's left of the Big-12, I'd say that coach Mc is doing pretty good so far....

It means nothing in particular, I was just going for a little recruiting perspective....

Comparing the swamp donkey to swoops ??

2016 small class

2017 24/7 Team Recruiting ( insta-hens ) gold standard

OU # 2

Lizzerds # 29 ( Domers and Kantuck ) ahead of you?

Dollies ( Val's) # 52

 

[instaGATOR]

The point that you missed is that is that McElwain's two recruiting classes only cover his first 14 months on the job, and he's following a 6 year PUBAR of coaching, 3 HBC's, 4 OC's, 7 WR coaches, and much other general program & coaching staff chaos for the Gators. He's having to crawl up out of a pretty deep home in my estimation. That said, 1st class 23, 2nd class 14, up 9 slots, if that happens again I guess we can expect around a 5 class this NSD.

So, how in the world did he win the SECe, going 7-1 SEC and 6-0 SECe in his 1st season?
Does that mean that he's such a GREAT HBC that he can win, even without bringing in Top 10 classes? Did he just get lucky by being the winning-est (10) 1st year coach in UF history?
Will his recruiting classes finally be ranked (by the twits) a bit higher this time around?
I mean the morons ranked Kyle Trask as a 2-3 star.
Do the ranking twits constantly miss on both their 3 stars and their 5 stars? (yep)

Saban at UA, throwing out his transition #10 class, and 2016 which is not yet in.

UA Rivals Recruit Classes: 2008-2015 = 1-1-5-1-1-1-1-2 = 13/8
SEC-C, last during Saban's 8 classes: 13/8 = 1.6 average recruit class rankings.
In Fact, Saban's last 5 classes (6/5 - 1.2) should surely mean a NC every single year.

Instead, Bama has only won 50% of the last 8 SEC-C, and only 1 of the last 3 NC's.

PS

Mc, Nuss, or Mc-Nuss accounted for 3 of Bama's 4 SEC-C's and 2 of 3 NC's. sweet!

2008 - UF
2009 - UA - McElwain
2010 - AU
2011 - LSU
2012 - UA -- Mc-Nuss
2013 - AU
2014 - UA - Nussmeier
2015 - UA

 

[instaGATOR]

Comparing the swamp donkey to swoops ??

Finally sobered back up and crawled out from under his mommies bed apparently.

The Chokers NCAA record 54 pts/game team lost to UF 24 - 14.
They only scored 14 pts against that years #3 in the SEC defense.

The Chokers finally get to another Final Four and what happens?
Set an NCAA record Big Dance -44 pt CHOKE vs little Nova.

And now you know why Stoops and Kruger are both FORMER UF coaches.
But hey, they are certainly good enough to coach a Choker team to NCAA records....
chomp

chomp

 

[Dannygator1989]

Finally sobered back up and crawled out from under his mommies bed apparently.

So for clarification, the above is not considered a "personal attack?"

 

[PacoGator19]

Comparing the swamp donkey to swoops ??

2016 small class

2017 24/7 Team Recruiting ( insta-hens ) gold standard

OU # 2

Lizzerds # 29 ( Domers and Kantuck ) ahead of you?

Dollies ( Val's) # 52

Shouldn't you be concerned that it has been a long long time since Oklahoma won a national title? Instead of worrying about teams that have won national titles more recently than Oklahoma in both football and basketball in UF you should probably worry more about your Oklahoma program.

 

[instaGATOR]

So for clarification, the above is not considered a "personal attack?"

So for clarification, you're not really a troll-stalker where my posting is concerned? --
(and again, you are the board x-spurt on stalking personal attacks, and always have been imo)


For others who don't know, the head-nailed-to-da-flor Choker and I have a laughing running verbal duel going from our days on VolQuest. (which is mostly a dead board now)

 

[IrishPokerDog]

So for clarification, you're not really a troll-stalker where my posting is concerned? --
(and again, you are the board x-spurt on stalking personal attacks, and always have been imo)


For others who don't know, the head-nailed-to-da-flor Choker and I have a laughing running verbal duel going from our days on VolQuest. (which is mostly a dead board now)

So for clarification, you're a liar about having Danny and the rest of us on ignore??!

 

[MDM9093]

Mac is just not recruiting up to the Gators normal standard, that's all. Spin it anyway you want. There is always be an excuse on why something is not up to par; in any subject. Nobody is interested in the excuses. He's just not there yet and it's a viable question to ask....is he an elite recruiter?? That's fair at this point. It's fair to say any coach in the country could have pulled these classes mac has, just based on the state and the conference the Gators are in. He had a solid win total for his first year. But the EAST was way down. He went 2-1 vs the big 3 rivals, which is good. But to be clear, he has nothing special in recruiting. The gator brand recruits to the level he has recruited on Its own.

 

[instaGATOR]

So for clarification, you're a liar about having Danny and the rest of us on ignore??!

Another of the typical troll-stalkers shows up to do some thread subject hijacking bs.
I've told you before that I'll hit the ignored button to look in occasionally, but you're obviously to much of a dog-poking,,,, whatever, to pick up on that.

Hey Dunny is me being called a liar a personal attack, of does that just go for me exclusively, as usual? (rhetorical, so don't bother)

 

[instaGATOR]

Emoto-response.

[QUOTE="MDM9093, post: 748500, member: 24531"
]Mac is just not recruiting up to the Gators normal standard, that's all.
Spin it anyway you want.

There is always be an excuse on why something is not up to par; in any subject.
Nobody is interested in the excuses. (as a nobody, you don't speak get to speak for everybody)
He's just not there yet and it's a viable question to ask....is he an elite recruiter?? (ask Saban)

That's fair at this point.

It's fair to say any coach in the country could have pulled these classes mac has, just based on the state and the conference the Gators are in. (the 'fair' judge has spoken)

He had a solid win total for his first year.
But the EAST was way down. (there's always a butt in it somewhere - see below)

He went 2-1 vs the big 3 rivals, which is good. But to be clear, he has nothing special in recruiting. The gator brand recruits to the level he has recruited on Its own.[/QUOTE]

Mc's 1st recruiting class, with 2 months to salvage the musclecramp cluster brought UF it's best season since the 2009 SECe-C in Meyer's next to the last 'mental break-down' season.

That 10 win season helped him improve the next class 9 spots, up from #23 to #14.
From what I've seen through the years the recruit ranking is so hit and miss and variable from site to site, that many want to only use the 247 consensus site, not taking into account that 5 idiots also don't always make a reliable rating. When you average idiots, you can still get an idiot ranking.
Prime Example is rivals had Trask as a 2-3 star, while Mc-Nuss see him as a 4-5 star, and from what I've seen, I agree with Mc-Nuss and laugh at Rivals and/or the consensus idiots. (also see LB'ers A.Davis and K.Johnson, among the many other examples)

Mc's current class of (4), are all ESPN Top 300's, so you obviously know what you're yappin' about.

Rivals has ESPN's #-1 TE-H Kemore Gamble 6-4 216 listed as a 3 star 6-3 220 WR with this early offer list:
Offers: UF - Tn, UK - Mia, UL, NC, NCSt, WVa, Wis, etc. (15 total)
The Gators recruited him as a TE. The 3 other early Gator commits are already Rivals 4 stars.
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SCa 3-9 - they were down, SOS retired, finished with an interim.
VU 4-8 -- they were up from 3-9 in 2014 with their 2nd year HBC.

UK 5-7 -- same as 2014 with their 2nd year HBC, they were 2-10 in 2013.
Miz 5-7 - they were down from 11-3, program chaos and they have also lost their HBC

Ten 9-4 - they were up from 7-6 -- won bowl vs NW
UGA 10-3 - same as 2014 -- won bowl vs PSU
SECe UF 10-4, 7-1 SEC, 6-0 SECe - they were up from 7-5 -- but still lost the bowl.
The Gator backup QB knew he was on the way out so he mailed it in for the last 3 games, and he wasn't that good when he was actually attempting to be a starting QB. (imo - good riddance!) UF's only SEC loss was @ 9-3 LSU, @ night, and on a Mad-Hater trick play to end the game up by a TD. Mc beat the snot outta #3 Ole Miss 38-10 the week after they beat eventual NC Bama.

So the SECe had 2 teams down, 2 teams the same, and 3 teams up from 2014.

I'll agree that both SCa and Miz were aberrations in 2015.
That makes the SECe WAY down in your own humble opinion?
Maybe slightly overall, but certainly not the top 3 SECe teams (UF-UGA-Tenn, as they combined for 29-11, 2-1 in bowls).

Valid Reasons vs Excuses = Eye of the beholder.

Opti-Recta-Mortis: When the little tube connecting your eyes with your butt gets clogged up with do-do, then you can get a chitty outlook on life (recruiting). Maybe you just need your tubes cleaned out.... (I recommend Roto-Rooter)

 

[Nolec]

Mc's 1st recruiting class, with 2 months to salvage the musclecramp cluster brought UF it's best season since the 2009 SECe-C in Meyer's next to the last 'mental break-down' season.

Which true freshmen from that class are you saying " brought UF it's best season......." ?

 

[MDM9093]

I can't even read your rebuttal. So much nonsense and noise in it.

The fact is the Gator brand will recruit well on its own. You could be the HC and get a decent class like Mac has. So he has done nothing special in recruiting, yet. He had the 111th total offense out of 127 teams last year. And he had Grier for how many games? He didn't exactly light it up on offense. When facing some good teams down the stretch he was completely exploited and the defense "gave up" in multiple games . I'd reserve judgement until we see more. I do think he's a good coach but he may be better suited out west. He will need to recruit better to compete with the likes of Bama, and FSU. He won't cut it the way he's currently recruiting, sorry bud.

 

[PacoGator19]

I can't even read your rebuttal. So much nonsense and noise in it.

The fact is the Gator brand will recruit well on its own. You could be the HC and get a decent class like Mac has. So he has done nothing special in recruiting, yet. He had the 111th total offense out of 127 teams last year. And he had Grier for how many games? He didn't exactly light it up on offense. When facing some good teams down the stretch he was completely exploited and the defense "gave up" in multiple games . I'd reserve judgement until we see more. I do think he's a good coach but he may be better suited out west. He will need to recruit better to compete with the likes of Bama, and FSU. He won't cut it the way he's currently recruiting, sorry bud.

Can you please go back to Warchant. You don't know what your talking about.

 

[WestlakeGator]

We currently sit at 3 commits for 2017 (I'm not counting Telfort because he is highly unlikely to remain in this class and is looking around). We are No. 3 for Coutney -- the JC DT that we were hoping to land in the 2016 class. We need to start getting some big time commits in positions of need. We have just come out of a fantastic Spring game (the best I've seen in 10 years) with no momentum on the recruiting front and it is concerning and quite frankly a bit bizarre.

 

[miksta]

We currently sit at 3 commits for 2017 (I'm not counting Telfort because he is highly unlikely to remain in this class and is looking around). We are No. 3 for Coutney -- the JC DT that we were hoping to land in the 2016 class. We need to start getting some big time commits in positions of need. We have just come out of a fantastic Spring game (the best I've seen in 10 years) with no momentum on the recruiting front and it is concerning and quite frankly a bit bizarre.

Have past spring games brought in big hauls? I really don't know - just asking because I'm curious.

 

[nail1988]

Shouldn't you be concerned that it has been a long long time since Oklahoma won a national title? Instead of worrying about teams that have won national titles more recently than Oklahoma in both football and basketball in UF you should probably worry more about your Oklahoma program.

Final 4 in the football playoff
Final 4 in basketball
# 2 recruiting class 2017
2018 already have 2 ( 5 *) commits
Top 5 team 2016

Not to worried about our program ( future bright) there pacoTaco

The point that you missed is that is that McElwain's two recruiting classes only cover his first 14 months on the job, and he's following a 6 year PUBAR of coaching, 3 HBC's, 4 OC's, 7 WR coaches, and much other general program & coaching staff chaos for the Gators. He's having to crawl up out of a pretty deep home in my estimation. That said, 1st class 23, 2nd class 14, up 9 slots, if that happens again I guess we can expect around a 5 class this NSD.

So, how in the world did he win the SECe, going 7-1 SEC and 6-0 SECe in his 1st season?
Does that mean that he's such a GREAT HBC that he can win, even without bringing in Top 10 classes? Did he just get lucky by being the winning-est (10) 1st year coach in UF history?
Will his recruiting classes finally be ranked (by the twits) a bit higher this time around?
I mean the morons ranked Kyle Trask as a 2-3 star.
Do the ranking twits constantly miss on both their 3 stars and their 5 stars? (yep)

Saban at UA, throwing out his transition #10 class, and 2016 which is not yet in.

UA Rivals Recruit Classes: 2008-2015 = 1-1-5-1-1-1-1-2 = 13/8
SEC-C, last during Saban's 8 classes: 13/8 = 1.6 average recruit class rankings.
In Fact, Saban's last 5 classes (6/5 - 1.2) should surely mean a NC every single year.

Instead, Bama has only won 50% of the last 8 SEC-C, and only 1 of the last 3 NC's.

PS

Mc, Nuss, or Mc-Nuss accounted for 3 of Bama's 4 SEC-C's and 2 of 3 NC's. sweet!

2008 - UF
2009 - UA - McElwain
2010 - AU
2011 - LSU
2012 - UA -- Mc-Nuss
2013 - AU
2014 - UA - Nussmeier
2015 - UA

This propaganda only translates into 3 commits 2017?!

 

[MDM9093]

Can you please go back to Warchant. You don't know what your talking about.

I actually do know what I'm talking about and that's probably what you have an issue with. Would be happy to debate rationally. This is a board. It doesn't all had to be pro mac and gators. Wake up man. This is reality. Not a brown nosing board for the gators. I have been following both teams my entire life.

What part of my post do you disagree with?
-I listed the gators offensive ranking
-I said that if he stayed recruiting how he is, that he won't compete with Fsu and Bama. That's true.
-I said the gators brand recruits very well on its own accord. Common sense.

What else is out there that you don't agree with?

 

[Michi-Gator]

I actually do know what I'm talking about and that's probably what you have an issue with. Would be happy to debate rationally. This is a board. It doesn't all had to be pro mac and gators. Wake up man. This is reality. Not a brown nosing board for the gators. I have been following both teams my entire life.

What part of my post do you disagree with?
-I listed the gators offensive ranking
-I said that if he stayed recruiting how he is, that he won't compete with Fsu and Bama. That's true.
-I said the gators brand recruits very well on its own accord. Common sense.

What else is out there that you don't agree with?

The only comments that are welcome are those made through Orange and Blue glasses, duh.

The bottom line is Mac and Co have not recruited up to par and are struggling with the top 20 kids in state for 2017. Its fact, but the amount of butthurt about these true statements is unreal

 

[PacoGator19]

Final 4 in the football playoff
Final 4 in basketball
# 2 recruiting class 2017
2018 already have 2 ( 5 *) commits
Top 5 team 2016

Not to worried about our program ( future bright) there pacoTaco




This propaganda only translates into 3 commits 2017?!

And you haven't won a national championship. Congrats on having not won anything in football or basketball in how long?

 

[PacoGator19]

The only comments that are welcome are those made through Orange and Blue glasses, duh.

The bottom line is Mac and Co have not recruited up to par and are struggling with the top 20 kids in state for 2017. Its fact, but the amount of butthurt about these true statements is unreal

Your just as clueless as him. Nobody said everything is great and all orange and blue but certainly isn't nowhere as bad as you make it out to be either.

 

[Zoni_Gator]

Mac just doesn't have the charisma of guys like Harbough or Dabo. He comes off more like a country bumkin really. He's just good at selling his vision. If he doesn't land a consensus top 5 class this year, then he'll never be anything but mediocre. Unfortunately, Foley will not realize this and will rush to extend Mac's contract. And only after a string of 4-5 loss seasons will it dawn on Foley that he screwed up again. The teams with the best players usually win. Period.

 

[MDM9093]

Your just as clueless as him. Nobody said everything is great and all orange and blue but certainly isn't nowhere as bad as you make it out to be either.

I never made it out to be soooo bad. When? Re-read what I've said and let me know what is false. I stated his 10 win season, and his 2-1 record versus rivals last year. Both
Good accomplishments. Yes, the east was down from their normal standard but that's not his fault...I get that.

I merely said I would reserve judgement until he starts recruiting at an elite level. He's had two full cycles and has done what about any coach in his seat could have done, that's all. You just get too offended. It's ok to question if he's the guy. I'll be the first one on this board congratulating him if he beats TENN, GA, and FSU this year. I think he loses to Tenn and FSU this year but Beats GA.

As mentioned just above , he has a different personality than most of those charismatic guys but if he wins big then a lot that won't matter IMO. There is extra talent this class COMING OUT of Florida and GA. This is a great year to get a top flight class. Let's see what happens this year on the field but I've only stated what most true fans already know. It's not gloom and doom by any means but there is an urgency to know if he's the guy or not.

 

[SKSnole]

The only comments that are welcome are those made through Orange and Blue glasses, duh.

The bottom line is Mac and Co have not recruited up to par and are struggling with the top 20 kids in state for 2017. Its fact, but the amount of butthurt about these true statements is unreal

I wonder what the people defending Mac's recruiting are expecting in 2016? My guess is the same people defending the recruiting will turn around and defend him for not having players if he goes 8-5. That's usually how it works. If Insta is sold that Mac is meeting needs and getting guys that fit his system - that's perfectly fine, but if that's the case then there's no reason why Mac shouldn't win 10+ games this year.

 

[Michi-Gator]

Your just as clueless as him. Nobody said everything is great and all orange and blue but certainly isn't nowhere as bad as you make it out to be either.

Nobody is saying it as bad as you think. Ghost posted a great question if 2015 was To Mac what 2012 was to Chump. Time will tell, but there is concern. Are we now going to run of a long string of 8 win seasons? Do you not worry about the fact Kirby's transition class was better than either of Mac's first two classes? If Tenn beats us this year will you concede the importance of signing elite classes?

Or are you going to take the Insta route, put Mac on the 47 year plan and refuse to acknowledge that 2016 was his first full class? Mac appears to fit the MO of all Folly hires sans Meyer. He will be the greatest 8 win coach in the nation, just the way Folly likes them.

We are not doing well in Florida right now for 2017, fact.

Never fear though, Folly can still go grab Kiffin since he is a Bama assitant.

 

[TNole902]

I think he loses to Tenn and FSU this year but Beats GA.
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No one knows what Smart is as a coach right now, but UGa will line up with better players than UF for the foreseeable future. Smart is an elite recruiter. My money is on the guy who can recruit.
On a separate note, not sure anyone saw this, but Smart has basically created a rule making football players an exception to the Sunshine rules GA has in the State. In other words, Uga will no longer be releasing info about football players who get in trouble. Sounds like he is implementing the Bama policies to keep good players eligible.

 

[TNole902]

I wonder what the people defending Mac's recruiting are expecting in 2016? My guess is the same people defending the recruiting will turn around and defend him for not having players if he goes 8-5. That's usually how it works. If Insta is sold that Mac is meeting needs and getting guys that fit his system - that's perfectly fine, but if that's the case then there's no reason why Mac shouldn't win 10+ games this year.

They start blaming position coaches and say "they are not being coached up" and shout on the board about "we will be contenders if we just get rid of this OL, LB, DL, RB coach" etc as if somehow you can make an ish sandwich taste good. That line of thinking is great for us...it delays the inevitable.

 

[tbbuc99]

http://andreu.blogs.gatorsports.com/11275/gators-losing-florida/

While I think most would agree that recruiting didn't hit the heights we were used to with Urban, I really think the gloom-&-doom crowd is being premature. We had a solid, if unspectacular, season on the field, with hope for the future. I also thought we did a good job of filling needs on both sides of the ball (a few positions notwithstanding).

The future is looking bright under CJM, and I think next year will be even better. If we don't show signs of improvement over the course of next year, with the objective to be in the national title hunt by 2018 at the latest, then I agree we have to take a long look at whether we need a change in leadership.

I'll take a coach that doesn't sell his soul and is a good enough coach to take dang good talent and win, I think Mac is that guy and once the infrastructure is complete, I think we will be pretty satisfied!

 

[SKSnole]

Mac just doesn't have the charisma of guys like Harbough or Dabo. He comes off more like a country bumkin really.

Country bumkin? I don't get that at all. He strikes me as more of a left coast/PAC 12 type of guy.

 

[WestlakeGator]

I just don't like all of the excuses. Mac will be a great recruiter "when the facilities are all completed." Mac will be a great recruiter "when we show more on offense." Mac will be..." These excuses ignore the fact that we have more than enough to sell right now in order to get elite talent.