WHERE DO YOU STAND ON CENSORSHIP?

[BamaFan1137]

"Your desired conclusion is that the republicans are the racists, and your dems aren't."

That's not really my conclusion. Both parties are racist and both parties incite racial tension to motivate voters.

If you mean that both parties play to their base, I can get on board with that. Does that rise to the level of racism? Not in this man's opinion.

I do have some serious concerns regarding Biden's history on race. However, I think he's just a senile old man today and as such is incapable of much of that. In the 80's...Biden was a racist pr!ck tho.

 

[kalimgoodman]

"Your desired conclusion is that the republicans are the racists, and your dems aren't."

That's not really my conclusion. Both parties are racist and both parties incite racial tension to motivate voters.

I've been saying this from day 1!

 

[kalimgoodman]

If you mean that both parties play to their base, I can get on board with that. Does that rise to the level of racism? Not in this man's opinion.

I do have some serious concerns regarding Biden's history on race. However, I think he's just a senile old man today and as such is incapable of much of that. In the 80's...Biden was a racist pr!ck tho.

Shocked

 

[BCSpell]

Listen up, Jabronis'!

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It's okay for him, he is a democrat and a minority.

 

[grandhavendiddy]

People like you are bad for America. The Republicans and/or democrats are not the #1 threat to America. If we got attacked tomorrow by any country, we would all come together and defend the red, white and blue. Families fight and its ok.

Some of you guys go extreme with the words.

Kalim - I agree with both of you, to a point.

What is getting at this country (again, our immigration problem) is that people come here, like Ilhan Omar, and instead of seeing opportunity (like my grandfather, jewish, and my wife's grandfather, Italian), they decry all that is wrong with the country. These individuals are disproportionately, if not exclusively, democrats.

We are even seeing variants of this at the Olympics. Individuals who were born in the U.S., trained in the U.S. are competing for other teams (read: China) - teams that do not need specific individual help or have other ties to the U.S.

This is the slow erosion of the soul of the country. We need the centripedal force of people believing in our mission, understanding when the country has not lived up to its ideals and move forward being "better, together".

 

[BamaFan1137]

Shocked

Are you shocked both ways on that two-way street?

I don't think it's racist when a politician of color, elected by their constituents, looks out for the needs of those people. In fact I think it's their job. That's this elected person's base ftr.

 

[kalimgoodman]

Are you shocked both ways on that two-way street?

I don't think it's racist when a politician of color, elected by their constituents, looks out for the needs of those people. In fact I think it's their job. That's this elected person's base ftr.

I think you are fair and knowledgeable about a lot of things.

I just think in regards to race, you live in a fantasy/political world. There are racial things both parties pander to. I understand that you don't want to believe that and that's your right but it's there.

 

[kalimgoodman]

Kalim - I agree with both of you, to a point.

What is getting at this country (again, our immigration problem) is that people come here, like Ilhan Omar, and instead of seeing opportunity (like my grandfather, jewish, and my wife's grandfather, Italian), they decry all that is wrong with the country. These individuals are disproportionately, if not exclusively, democrats.

We are even seeing variants of this at the Olympics. Individuals who were born in the U.S., trained in the U.S. are competing for other teams (read: China) - teams that do not need specific individual help or have other ties to the U.S.

This is the slow erosion of the soul of the country. We need the centripedal force of people believing in our mission, understanding when the country has not lived up to its ideals and move forward being "better, together".

Both sides complain about this country. Trump ran on how much of a hell this country is. His slogan was "Make America great again". The complaints just comes from different angles. One side tend to want more changes and the other side tend to want to go back to how somethings use to be.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

"Your desired conclusion is that the republicans are the racists, and your dems aren't."

That's not really my conclusion. Both parties are racist and both parties incite racial tension to motivate voters.

Republicans don't because racism doesn't resonate with republicans. We just don't see skin color.

To be fair, most dems don't either. HOWEVER.....most dems will do whatever their party tells them to do. This is back to @instaGATOR's point about the politicians in this country pitting groups against each other so they can control both.

Dems in DC say this nation has a white supremacy problem. We apparently didn't have one till the dems in DC thought of it, but now we do.

So dems start saying we have a white supremacy problem, that we have a systemic racism problem, etc. And dems will parrot and take up the cause. Look at poor @kalimgoodman, he literally parrots whatever talking points the dems give him. He never thinks to question, he just tells us that America has a white supremacy problem and is a systemically racist nation. Cause that's what the dems told him to think, so he does.

Same thing with you and the 'vaccines'. You believe they are safe and effective cause that's what the 'experts' told you. So you parrot them and don't question.

Why don't republicans try these same tricks on their voters? Cause they know it won't work on us. Trump said get the vaccine. Most of his supporters didn't listen to him, cause we can think for ourselves.

The irony is, most dems refused to get it when Trump said to, then when Hiden said get it, they couldn't run to their local Walgreens fast enough.

This nation doesn't have a racism problem. We have a sheep problem.

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

If you mean that both parties play to their base, I can get on board with that. Does that rise to the level of racism? Not in this man's opinion.

I do have some serious concerns regarding Biden's history on race. However, I think he's just a senile old man today and as such is incapable of much of that. In the 80's...Biden was a racist pr!ck tho.

Using race to pit people against each other is racism. Both parties engage in this. They know that fear and anger motivate people to vote.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Using race to pit people against each other is racism. Both parties engage in this. They know that fear and anger motivate people to vote.

Biden is a racist. You voted for him, we didn't. So clearly racism doesn't work on us as well as it works on you.

 

[kalimgoodman]

Using race to pit people against each other is racism. Both parties engage in this. They know that fear and anger motivate people to vote.

The Republicans talking about fake CRT, "feelings bill", books in libraries, BLM is all tailored to get in people emotions about racial issues and mostly white people.

The democrats talking about policing, Trump supporters, voting rights is all tailored to get in people emotions about racial issues and mostly black people.

 

[BCSpell]

Republicans don't because racism doesn't resonate with republicans. We just don't see skin color.

To be fair, most dems don't either. HOWEVER.....most dems will do whatever their party tells them to do. This is back to @instaGATOR's point about the politicians in this country pitting groups against each other so they can control both.

Dems in DC say this nation has a white supremacy problem. We apparently didn't have one till the dems in DC thought of it, but now we do.

So dems start saying we have a white supremacy problem, that we have a systemic racism problem, etc. And dems will parrot and take up the cause. Look at poor @kalimgoodman, he literally parrots whatever talking points the dems give him. He never thinks to question, he just tells us that America has a white supremacy problem and is a systemically racist nation. Cause that's what the dems told him to think, so he does.

Same thing with you and the 'vaccines'. You believe they are safe and effective cause that's what the 'experts' told you. So you parrot them and don't question.

Why don't republicans try these same tricks on their voters? Cause they know it won't work on us. Trump said get the vaccine. Most of his supporters didn't listen to him, cause we can think for ourselves.

The irony is, most dems refused to get it when Trump said to, then when Hiden said get it, they couldn't run to their local Walgreens fast enough.

This nation doesn't have a racism problem. We have a sheep problem.

Here is a questions. Why didn't the Dems solve the white supremacy isuues and the systematic rasism during Obama's first 2 years. They controlled the WH, the Senate and the House????? They could have solved ALL our problems and the Repubs could not and would not even if they could, stop them.

 

[BamaFan1137]

I think you are fair and knowledgeable about a lot of things.

I just think in regards to race, you live in a fantasy/political world. There are racial things both parties pander to. I understand that you don't want to believe that and that's your right but it's there.

I live in the world I live in. It's pretty freaking real but maybe yours is different.

I simply do not believe it is racist for a politician to put the needs of his constituents ahead of the needs of another politicians constituents. Can there be compromise? Absolutely...and there must be but the act of loyalty to your base is not inherently racist in my view.

 

[BCSpell]

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[BamaFan1137]

Using race to pit people against each other is racism. Both parties engage in this. They know that fear and anger motivate people to vote.

You think this actually a common tactic? You think the average politician is pitting one race against another? I don't. Does it ever happen? Sure...very few things NEVER happen but the vast, VAST majority don't do that.

Do politicians engage in fear mongering over behavior? Behavior that some might try to spin as race related? Absolutely..but that's a coat of another color, if you'll pardon the term, and it's a real stretch to call such racism imho.

 

[BamaFan1137]

The Republicans talking about fake CRT, "feelings bill", books in libraries, BLM is all tailored to get in people emotions about racial issues and mostly white people.

The democrats talking about policing, Trump supporters, voting rights is all tailored to get in people emotions about racial issues and mostly black people.

I don't get how the above equates to racism.

If a person doesn't like CRT, they're racist? If a person doesn't like the police, they're racist? Or are both groups somehow engaging in racist behavior?

Why...because they don't see the world as you do? We disagree here. A lot.

 

[BCSpell]

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[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Here is a questions. Why didn't the Dems solve the white supremacy isuues and the systematic rasism during Obama's first 2 years. They controlled the WH, the Senate and the House????? They could have solved ALL our problems and the Repubs could not and would not even if they could, stop them.

obama did more to stoke racial division than any president in our history. Remember how he constantly blamed cops for violence against blacks? Remember when a sniper in Dallas went on a shooting spree shooting cops?

Sheep never think to question.

 

[kalimgoodman]

I live in the world I live in. It's pretty freaking real but maybe yours is different.

I simply do not believe it is racist for a politician to put the needs of his constituents ahead of the needs of another politicians constituents. Can there be compromise? Absolutely...and there must be but the act of loyalty to your base is not inherently racist in my view.

So if I represent a predominantly black area, it's ok for me to talk about how much the white man hold the black man down for votes?

 

[kalimgoodman]

I don't get how the above equates to racism.

If a person doesn't like CRT, they're racist? If a person doesn't like the police, they're racist? Or are both groups somehow engaging in racist behavior?

Why...because they don't see the world as you do? We disagree here. A lot.

I didn't say anything about not liking something making you racist. What I said is that both parties use racial issues to generate anger based on race. Depending on which race is their base, that will determine which issue they race.

I'm not calling it racist or racism, I'll let you guys do the word salad thing, I'm just saying what they BOTH do.

 

[BamaFan1137]

So if I represent a predominantly black area, it's ok for me to talk about how much the white man hold the black man down for votes?

😂

No...that would be wrong. Was that your point? That, if they say something so irresponsible and stupid, it would be an example of racism?

Fine...cite your similar real-world examples here and I will condemn them similarly.

To your point, racism is possible. Yes, it's possible to be a racist asshat. To my point, I never said it was impossible. I said it wasn't common.

 

[BamaFan1137]

I didn't say anything about not liking something making you racist. What I said is that both parties use racial issues to generate anger based on race. Depending on which race is their base, that will determine which issue they race.

I'm not calling it racist or racism, I'll let you guys do the word salad thing, I'm just saying what they BOTH do.

I don't know what to do with this post. I think I will just say ok.

Ok.

 

[kalimgoodman]

😂

No...that would be wrong. Was that your point? That, if they say something so irresponsible and stupid, it would be an example of racism?

Fine...cite your similar real-world examples here and I will condemn them similarly.

To your point, racism is possible. Yes, it's possible to be a racist asshat. To my point, I never said it was impossible. I said it wasn't common.

I'm just asking man. I was wondering was that your point. Seems like you're getting defensive, when I'm just trying to have a mature conversation. That's why talking politics is pointless.

In sports, we can talk about a QB, team, recruits with mature points and acknowledgement of a fair point but in politics it is "I believe this and there's nothing you can say to change that".

I never said that it was common. I literally don't what you're fighting anymore. You're mixing your conversation with someone else, with me. I just said that both parties are victims of currently race baiting for votes.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

So if I represent a predominantly black area, it's ok for me to talk about how much the white man hold the black man down for votes?

It's a complete waste of time to attempt to have an intelligent discussion with you. On any topic.

Goodness.

 

[nail1988]

Both sides complain about this country. Trump ran on how much of a hell this country is. His slogan was "Make America great again". The complaints just comes from different angles. One side tend to want more changes and the other side tend to want to go back to how somethings use to be.

 

[BamaFan1137]

I'm just asking man. I was wondering was that your point. Seems like you're getting defensive, when I'm just trying to have a mature conversation. That's why talking politics is pointless.

In sports, we can talk about a QB, team, recruits with mature points and acknowledgement of a fair point but in politics it is "I believe this and there's nothing you can say to change that".

I never said that it was common. I literally don't what you're fighting anymore. You're mixing your conversation with someone else, with me. I just said that both parties are victims of currently race baiting for votes.

With all due respect, and being completely honest, imo I was being more reasonable in this conversation than you were.

Perhaps this is just an example of poor communication...the hazards of the written word vs the spoken???

 

[kalimgoodman]

With all due respect, and being completely honest, imo I was being more reasonable in this conversation than you were.

Perhaps this is just an example of poor communication...the hazards of the written word vs the spoken???

I'm pretty certain that we would communicate better over a beer.