What???????? No deposit, no return? Safe Haven Baby Boxes?? What??

[NavigatorII]

Are you effing kidding me?

Florida fight over 'baby boxes' part of bigger culture war

Safe Haven Baby Boxes and A Safe Haven for Newborns are two charities with similar names and the same goal: providing distressed mothers with a safe place to surrender their unwanted newborns instead of dumping them in trash cans or along roadsides. An existing state law, supported and promoted...

www.yahoo.com

 

[EvilWayz]

Are you effing kidding me?

Florida fight over 'baby boxes' part of bigger culture war

Safe Haven Baby Boxes and A Safe Haven for Newborns are two charities with similar names and the same goal: providing distressed mothers with a safe place to surrender their unwanted newborns instead of dumping them in trash cans or along roadsides. An existing state law, supported and promoted...

www.yahoo.com

Where do you fall on this issue Navi?

 

[NavigatorII]

Where do you fall on this issue Navi?

Shoving a baby in a laundry chute? Where do you think? 😂

 

[EvilWayz]

Shoving a baby in a laundry chute? Where do you think? 😂

Dont be a retard.

Before this you could surrender your baby to any hospital or fire station. Not everyone can look a person in the eye and give up their baby no matter how unfit they are.

I'll go ahead and throw out one of my infuriating opinions.

If you believe abortion is murder but you'd rather have unfit mothers leave their babies in a dumpster or a trash can than tolerate a baby deposit box, you are a hypocrite and I got nothing for you.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Are you effing kidding me?

Florida fight over 'baby boxes' part of bigger culture war

Safe Haven Baby Boxes and A Safe Haven for Newborns are two charities with similar names and the same goal: providing distressed mothers with a safe place to surrender their unwanted newborns instead of dumping them in trash cans or along roadsides. An existing state law, supported and promoted...

www.yahoo.com

Wild guess: The left thinks this is a great idea.

 

[EvilWayz]

Wild guess: The left thinks this is a great idea.

Yes and they're correct because we live in a world where people abandon their babies.

 

[NavigatorII]

Dont be a retard.

Before this you could surrender your baby to any hospital or fire station. Not everyone can look a person in the eye and give up their baby no matter how unfit they are.

I'll go ahead and throw out one of my infuriating opinions.

If you believe abortion is murder but you'd rather have unfit mothers leave their babies in a dumpster or a trash can than tolerate a baby deposit box, you are a hypocrite and I got nothing for you.

Is the box manned 24/7? Or just 8-5 M-F? What about during Covid in blue states? Please leave a message, someone will be checking back in a few days or so. Do you see any possible flaws in the system? 😂

 

[EvilWayz]

Is the box manned 24/7? Or just 8-5 M-F? What about during Covid in blue states? Please leave a message, someone will be checking back in a few days or so. Do you see any possible flaws in the system? 😂

Did you do any research at all?

 

[NavigatorII]

Did you do any research at all?

Of course not. Who do you think I am? Kalimgoodman? 😂

 

[EvilWayz]

Of course not. Who do you think I am? Kalimgoodman? 😂

Safe haven baby box is attached to the exterior wall of a hospital or fire station. As soon as the infant or child is placed in the box, it locks from the outside. It shares environmental air and temp with the hospital or fire station. So even if there's no alarm or pager the child is warm and safe. I imagine there's a sensor or a scheduled check. And yes, it's manned 24/7/365.

It's not as good as handing +he child to a nurse but it's a damn sight better than a dumpster.

 

[NavigatorII]

Safe haven baby box is attached to the exterior wall of a hospital or fire station. As soon as the infant or child is placed in the box, it locks from the outside. It shares environmental air and temp with the hospital or fire station. So even if there's no alarm or pager the child is warm and safe. I imagine there's a sensor or a scheduled check. And yes, it's manned 24/7/365.

It's not as good as handing +he child to a nurse but it's a damn sight better than a dumpster.

It's just weird to me I guess. There are lawyers who specialize in adoption hookups and make money off of it, sometimes paying the mother thousands of dollars for a young infant. IMO it just seems terribly irresponsible not knowing if the baby will end up in a good home. I guess there are some babies that have no market value, being the harsh reality that is and can't be talked about in polite circles.

 

[EvilWayz]

It's just weird to me I guess. There are lawyers who specialize in adoption hookups and make money off of it, sometimes paying the mother thousands of dollars for a young infant. IMO it just seems terribly irresponsible not knowing if the baby will end up in a good home. I guess there are some babies that have no market value, being the harsh reality that is and can't be talked about in polite circles.

It is absolutely weird but we live in a country where people throw babies in dumpsters so here we are.

 

[EvilWayz]

Also the baby box goes thru the wall the child can be retrieved from the inside and the outside wall is clear plastic so anyone walking by knows if the box is empty or occupied.

 

[NavigatorII]

Also the baby box goes thru the wall the child can be retrieved from the inside and the outside wall is clear plastic so anyone walking by knows if the box is empty or occupied.

Hopefully there is a buzzer button that at least sends a text message to someone.

 

[EvilWayz]

Hopefully there is a buzzer button that at least sends a text message to someone.

I can't imagine in a world of internet doorbell cams why there wouldn't be.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Goodness some of yall pick the dumbest hills to die on.

 

[EvilWayz]

Goodness some of yall pick the dumbest hills to die on.

Tend to that beam, hypocrite.

 

[grandhavendiddy]

Of course not. Who do you think I am? Kalimgoodman? 😂

Ok, that's funny

 

[JimGaster]

When did the Dems become so vile & evil?!?!

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

When did the Dems become so vile & evil?!?!

It definitely seemed to accelerate in the late 20th century. Went into overdrive under hussein.

 

[BamaFan1137]

Dont be a retard.

Before this you could surrender your baby to any hospital or fire station. Not everyone can look a person in the eye and give up their baby no matter how unfit they are.

I'll go ahead and throw out one of my infuriating opinions.

If you believe abortion is murder but you'd rather have unfit mothers leave their babies in a dumpster or a trash can than tolerate a baby deposit box, you are a hypocrite and I got nothing for you.

Or maybe it's not unreasonable for society to NOT accept dumping a baby in a trash can under any circumstances and that bringing the baby to a hospital or a fire station is not an unreasonable ask.

Blaming us for their immoral baby killing behavior is a non-starter for me...whether that occurs in a trashcan or an abortion clinic.

 

[EvilWayz]

Or maybe it's not unreasonable for society to NOT accept dumping a baby in a trash can under any circumstances and that bringing the baby to a hospital or a fire station is not an unreasonable ask.

Blaming us for their immoral baby killing behavior is a non-starter for me...whether that occurs in a trashcan or an abortion clinic.

You can cotton candy it all you want. What we care about you when you're in the womb but once you're born kick rocks?

It sucks that there's a need for such a thing. But you can piss and moan about a society that tolerates it or save some children.

 

[BamaFan1137]

You can cotton candy it all you want. What we care about you when you're in the womb but once you're born kick rocks?

It sucks that there's a need for such a thing. But you can piss and moan about a society that tolerates it or save some children.

I'm just saying that blaming us for their immoral behavior doesn't work. It's not logical and it isn't reasonable.

They should stop doing evil shit. Full stop. Assigning any measure of blame on us is a complete non-starter.

 

[EvilWayz]

I'm just saying that blaming us for their immoral behavior doesn't work. It's not logical and it isn't reasonable.

They should stop doing evil shit. Full stop. Assigning any measure of blame on us is a complete non-starter.

I'm missing something here.

 

[BamaFan1137]

I'm missing something here.

I was speaking to this...

If you believe abortion is murder but you'd rather have unfit mothers leave their babies in a dumpster or a trash can than tolerate a baby deposit box, you are a hypocrite and I got nothing for you.

Our support, or lack of support, for anything including baby deposit boxes doesn't relieve these POS of responsibility.

We cannot outrun their evil deeds by making it easier for them to avoid evil behavior.

They are 100% responsible for their behavior and even if you're against a baby deposit box, you're 100% not responsible for their evil behavior.

In the section I quoted, you seem to intimate that if we're against baby deposit boxes that we somehow seem to share blame because we're hypocrites.

We shouldn't have to beg these freaks not to kill their babies and if they kill their babies, they are responsible.

 

[EvilWayz]

I was speaking to this...




Our support, or lack of support, for anything including baby deposit boxes doesn't relieve these POS of responsibility.

We cannot outrun their evil deeds by making it easier for them to avoid evil behavior.

They are 100% responsible for their behavior and even if you're against a baby deposit box, you're 100% not responsible for their evil behavior.

In the section I quoted, you seem to intimate that if we're against baby deposit boxes that we somehow seem to share blame because we're hypocrites.

We shouldn't have to beg these freaks not to kill their babies and if they kill their babies, they are responsible.

And I stand by it. Teaching people that it's not acceptable to abandon their babies and having drop boxes as a stop gap until you accomplish that goal are not mutually exclusive.

Good luck with that BTW, these foundling boxes have been in existence since the 12th century.

 

[BamaFan1137]

And I stand by it. Teaching people that it's not acceptable to abandon their babies and having drop boxes as a stop gap until you accomplish that goal are not mutually exclusive.

Good luck with that BTW, these foundling boxes have been in existence since the 12th century.

We have to teach them that murdering babies is bad?

And that's on us? If that doesn't get done, we're to blame?

Agree to disagree.

 

[EvilWayz]

We have to teach them that murdering babies is bad?

There's people that think it's OK so that would seem to be the case if you want them to vote that way.

And that's on us? If that doesn't get done, we're to blame?

No, opposing drop boxes is. Separate issue.

Agree to disagree.

Solid copy.

 

[BamaFan1137]

There's people that think it's OK so that would seem to be the case if you want them to vote that way.


No, opposing drop boxes is. Separate issue.


Solid copy.

I don't see people of the world ever voting against abortion. Those people outnumber us so it's a lost cause on that front.

I'm not against baby drop off boxes per se. I'm against the idea that if we don't cater to the evil of these people that we are somehow responsible or that we're hypocrites. If a person kills their baby they're 100% responsible.

If the idea of facing a fireman or a nurse is more horrifying than killing your baby, a baby drop off box isn't going to move the needle either.

And I agree, it's fine if we don't see eye to eye on every issue.

 

[EvilWayz]

I don't see people of the world ever voting against abortion. Those people outnumber us so it's a lost cause on that front.

Fair enough.

I'm not against baby drop off boxes per se. I'm against the idea that if we don't cater to the evil of these people that we are somehow responsible or that we're hypocrites. If a person kills their baby they're 100% responsible.

I'm not cheerleading the idea as a solution either. Nor do I think that you are personally responsible for murder.

I do think that if you don't want your kid I don't want you to have it either, and if catering to your evil saves your child both from you and death I'm OK with you being able to rid yourself of your responsibility even without penalty. So conversely removing that option is hypocritical if the end game is saving children from death.

If the idea of facing a fireman or a nurse is more horrifying than killing your baby, a baby drop off box isn't going to move the needle either.

For those with depraved indifference to human life that's completely true. I don't think everyone who surrenders a child fits that bill.

And I agree, it's fine if we don't see eye to eye on every issue.

I have no idea how that would even be possible given our completely disparate worldviews.

 

[BamaFan1137]

Fair enough.


I'm not cheerleading the idea as a solution either. Nor do I think that you are personally responsible for murder.

I do think that if you don't want your kid I don't want you to have it either, and if catering to your evil saves your child both from you and death I'm OK with you being able to rid yourself of your responsibility even without penalty. So conversely removing that option is hypocritical if the end game is saving children from death.



For those with depraved indifference to human life that's completely true. I don't think everyone who surrenders a child fits that bill.



I have no idea how that would even be possible given our completely disparate worldviews.

On your second point, totally agree until we get to the hypocritical part. These people and the world in general will continue to shift the blame until we stop allowing them to.

Want baby boxes? Fine...it's an innovative idea I guess if it's done properly. But it will never be enough...and we hypocrites will always be partially responsible for their baby killing evil in their eyes. I'm calling BS. And it's not just the baby killers themselves...it's their liberal responsibility dodging enabling allies as well.

 

[NavigatorII]

On your second point, totally agree until we get to the hypocritical part. These people and the world in general will continue to shift the blame until we stop allowing them to.

Want baby boxes? Fine...it's an innovative idea I guess if it's done properly. But it will never be enough...and we hypocrites will always be partially responsible for their baby killing evil in their eyes. I'm calling BS. And it's not just the baby killers themselves...it's their liberal responsibility dodging enabling allies as well.

Yeah, when I first saw that it smacked of a laundry chute right into a dumpster. I was proven wrong, so I guess that's better than the county incinerator.

 

[EvilWayz]

On your second point, totally agree until we get to the hypocritical part. These people and the world in general will continue to shift the blame until we stop allowing them to.

Want baby boxes? Fine...it's an innovative idea I guess if it's done properly. But it will never be enough...and we hypocrites will always be partially responsible for their baby killing evil in their eyes. I'm calling BS. And it's not just the baby killers themselves...it's their liberal responsibility dodging enabling allies as well.

As I stated previously, it's a stop gap measure. There are always going to be people who are lazy, evil, or both. This is for the people that would do the right thing if given a push in that direction.

 

[BamaFan1137]

As I stated previously, it's a stop gap measure. There are always going to be people who are lazy, evil, or both. This is for the people that would do the right thing if given a push in that direction.

I've got no problem with that. I'm just saying don't blame non baby killers for not preventing baby killers from killing babies.

 

[EvilWayz]

I've got no problem with that. I'm just saying don't blame non baby killers for not preventing baby killers from killing babies.

If I recall the saying correctly all that evil needs to triumph is good men to stand by and do nothing.

 

[BamaFan1137]

If I recall the saying correctly all that evil needs to triumph is good men to stand by and do nothing.

That's the saying. In this instance, I read that as good men need to kick the crap out of baby killers. 😂😉

 

[EvilWayz]

That's the saying. In this instance, I read that as good men need to kick the crap out of baby killers. 😂😉

I'm fine with that. I also think if I said Bama stopping abortion isn't the end of watch, we have to overhaul the foster care system, streamline the adoption process, revamp the department of children and families, expand paternal legal rights and fund technology for artificial wombs so we can eliminate unfit and unwilling mothers from the equation I think you'd be willing to at least think about it and not start hemming and hawing about socialism and spending. You aren't the problem.

 

[BamaFan1137]

I'm not gonna lie...artificial wombs sort of scares the hell out of me. Would they be attached to flesh lights?

😂

 

[BamaFan1137]

I'm fine with that. I also think if I said Bama stopping abortion isn't the end of watch, we have to overhaul the foster care system, streamline the adoption process, revamp the department of children and families, expand paternal legal rights and fund technology for artificial wombs so we can eliminate unfit and unwilling mothers from the equation I think you'd be willing to at least think about it and not start hemming and hawing about socialism and spending. You aren't the problem.

BTW, you could fund all of this by dissolving 90% of the welfare in this country.

No less than 9 out of 10 recipients are BS lazy azzhats in my experience. You could go a long way towards proving this by monitoring crime stats before during and after government welfare payouts.

When those payouts occur near a weekend with a full moon combined with great weather, it's going to be an interesting night. That's not coincidental imho.

 

[NavigatorII]

BTW, you could fund all of this by dissolving 90% of the welfare in this country.

No less than 9 out of 10 recipients are BS lazy azzhats in my experience. You could go a long way towards proving this by monitoring crime stats before during and after government welfare payouts.

When those payouts occur near a weekend with a full moon combined with great weather, it's going to be an interesting night. That's not coincidental imho.

LBJ took FDR's socialist agenda and said, "hold my beer". LBJ's "Great Society" is an extension of the "Great Plantation" that Democrats have run for 120 years. Massah is still running the show with the Pant's Shitter running the cotton gin. "We be buying votes, "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man. I can't in good conscious print the rest of what LBJ said about the slaves voting Democrat for the next 200 years..

Gay Ray, @RayGravesGhost , you copy????