Welcome To Day 1 Of The GOP Majority...Hakeem Jeffries WINS!!! LOL
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The American people elected a narrow margin in the House and Senate for that matter. Has it ever crossed your mind that this is exactly what the will of the people looks like? The idea that these parties should vote in Soviet style lockstep is absurd. I DO THINK that borders, crime and so forth are a crisis, however, it appears that The People don't agree with me to the fullest degree. The American people are getting EXACTLY what they voted for. Aside from the policy issues, I find the nature of power, and how it is accrued in DC to be vile and NEEDS to be rattled to the foundation. I wish the AOC's of the world would have had more courage in opposing the interests of the corporate democrats, but they are posers. Truth is, this country is lost to secular corporate interests and there will be NO positive change outside of divine intervention.
No one said anything about the need to vote in lockstep
We're asking the current day GOP to do something that every majority party has been able to accomplish on a single vote in the last 100 years
Tell us who your leader is....
Its a pretty simple request. And they failed 3x yesterday
Yes, some districts voted a bunch of coup plotting insurrectionist supporting idiots back into office
Guess who's revolting against McCarthy?
You mean like government representatives that plot to overthrow an election?
You can wait on divine intervention...others try to improve the country
They call that GOVERNING...you know passing legislation...foreign concept to republicans I know
How about reversing Citizens United?
How about closing corporate tax loopholes?
How about campaign finance reform?
You're complaining about things that can be changed...guess which party is AGAINST changing those 3 issues?
In order for Republicans to elect a partisan Speaker, the math demands that they vote in near lock step. Obviously, Kevin McCarthy is not a strong enough nominee to do that. Every party HAS been able to elect a speaker on the first ballot for 100 years. Some of that has to do with the margins the American people gave those parties. Aside from that, how is that going for the American people. Have our elected office holders become more or less responsive to the People? I say that our officials across the board are dismissive of the average citizen, and is trending further away. Maybe we should stop doing all the things we have been doing as a matter of ritual. There is a reason there is a vote on this ( not unlike the debt ceiling ), its not supposed to be a rubber stamp. My leader is Jesus Christ, as for the republicans, it seems pretty clear that their is no agreement on this. I think this probably reflects REALITY on the ground among Republican voters. January 6 rioters will find no sympathy with me, nor will the BLM / ANTIFA kooks. God will not be mocked, you should refrain from using divine intervention as a punch line. Other trying to improve the country? You obviously arent getting the picture. The American people want no part of the type of help you are offering, otherwise they would have voted for it. Please stop pretending that democrats are for cracking down on corporate interests.
And by the way, I am open to listening to any parties opinion on unchecked corporate power. I am pretty open and truthful about identifying areas where I have been wrong in the past. I was wrong about the war machine ( Middle Eastern adventurism ), wrong on death penalty ( pro life womb to tomb ), wrong on free trade ( hollowed out American industry ). However, for me to take any party seriously on corporate power, they must talk specifically about the World Economic Forum, big Pharma and the military industrial complex.
So the republican "Red Tsunami" isn't much of a mandate is it?
Plenty of parties have had a slim advantage an accomplished selecting a leader
In 2020, the Senate was split and through negotiation the majority was resolved.
Pelosi did the same in the House that year where her speakership was briefly challenged
Neither required the shut down of a house of Congress to resolve
What's completely disingenuous is to act like the republicans have a ideology fight with McCarthy
This is simply flexing power ion someone who 20 maga representatives have personal issues with
And this is exemplified by a political party not being able to pick who leads the party?
Sounds like the republican party has an issue with itself.
And before you blame the inability for a political party to select a leader maybe the things you say are problems have NOTHING TO DO with that and maybe more to do with what the party stands for.
None of the 3 things I listed had anything to do with a particular party's nomination process but with the party's ideology.
Conservatives support all 3 regardless of who the party leader is
Are conservatives interested in cracking down on corporate interests? Since when? How?
And since you're a person of Christian faith....what do you think of this?
Every document in this set is available for free...but the trump family is selling it
Did Jesus sell "merch" or his word at the Sermon On The Mount?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/kinzinger-rips-trump-jr-over-171651164.html
Kinzinger rips Trump Jr. over ‘We the People’ Bible sales
Former Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.) slammed Donald Trump Jr. on Monday over his endorsement of a “We the People” Bible, calling on “good” pastors and priests to denounce it.
“Oh the irony. The fact that some Christians dont see the problem here is more affirmation that it’s not the GOP that has failed Christians, it’s the church,” Kinzinger tweeted. “Good Pastors and Priests rise up and call this out.”
The website states that the King James Version of the Bible also includes copies of the Constitution, Declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights and Pledge of Allegiance.
The Bible is being sold for $69.99.
I didn't stutter. Obviously, there was no "Red Wave". I think I clearly stated that MY VIEWS dont represent the views of the American People. However, neither do yours. I think that as country we should be going to the huddle and thinking about humility, but that isn't going to happen. Correct me if im wrong, but Speaker is elected by the ENTIRE House, not just the majority party. Minority leader is elected by a partisan party vote. Speaker is to be representative of the entire body. This is why democrats vote in this process. So if you want to get to brass tax, this represents a failure by the entire House to unite behind a Speaker. I think this log jam perfectly illustrates and reflects the place where America is, divided and lost. The Republican Party isnt interested in cracking down on corporate interests. The Democrats arent interested in cracking down corporate power. They are a unity party in this regard. Most of them are interested only in their own power. I dont know anything about the Trump bible, however, I will tell you I didnt like the holding the Bible up for a photo op at the summer riots....not one bit, if that tells you where I stand on those types of things. The only thing that keeps me attached to republicans is the Dr. Frankenstein stuff with the children. The trans / drag stuff is really creepy, and I wont tolerate it.
I'll feel free to correct you because you are wrong.
The GOP has insisted that it will not engage the democrats in this vote.
In 2020, the democrats actually engaged in talks to determine the Senate majority (even though they had the 50-50 tiebreaker in Harris)
Schumer promised to not break the filibuster rule for McConnell relinquishing control.
This has NOTHING to do with the democratic party...the resolution is 100% in the hands of the GOP
OK...but holding up the bible for a photo op isn't worse than selling it $69.99 in a political grift
Christian Standard Bible
2 Corinthians 2:17
For we do not market the word of God for profit like so many. On the contrary, we speak with sincerity in Christ, as from God and before God.
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Thought it was pretty descriptive of what is happening with the GOP caucus vs what happened when Pelosi told all the dems to fall in line. Dems easily herded...will do anything for a turd wrapped in a candy wrapper if free. GOP more independent thinkers and much more self sufficient and leary of free chit.
Im against any mockery of God's word, period. Democrats have nothing to do with this process? Huh? Then how did Jefferies get 212 votes. Oh, that's because democrats are voting in the process. I think what you mean by engaging democrats, is doing what democrats want. I think we have confused the order of operations here. Politics is DOWN STREAM of the culture. Jefferies voters, McCarthy voters, and Jim Jordan voters all have one thing in common. They dont have enough votes. This represents a failure by the entire body. However, my argument is that this is a perfect reflection of the culture. It is what the people voted for. THIS IS THE RESULT OF THE DEMOCRACY.
No, then you think wrong.
Engaging with democrats to vote for him has been out in the public for weeks now
Its called negotiation & compromise...its required to get bipartisan legislation passed
It appears by your statements you have no interest in that
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3762602-clyburn-to-mccarthy-use-democrats-to-secure-speakership/
Clyburn to McCarthy: Use Democrats to secure Speakership
BY MYCHAEL SCHNELL - 12/05/22 4:02 PM ET
Jefferies not having enough votes was a given from the midterms
Republicans have a split vote in their party from a failure of leadership
Its a failure of the entire party if McCarthy can't get to enough votes to become leader?
He failed in 2015 for the same reason. You act like McCarthy in particular hasn't failed at this before.
Last time republicans dragged Paul Ryan our of retirement, remember?
Why don't republicans have another option the deciding portion of the majority can support now?
No one is stopping democrats from voting for McCarthy. Democrats want something in return, something republicans are unwilling to give. So here we are. This has nothing to do with whether or not I want compromise. I think you intentionally miss the point. Mccarthy not being able to secure the speakership is a result of the midterms, just like with Jefferies. This is the result of peoples votes. It is representative of the culture. This is what democracy has produced. I know that it looks different than the scripted Soviet show votes that we have gotten used to. If this is a failure, it represents a failure of our culture. The politicians are simply the mirror being held to our face.
And the longer this drags out, the worse it is for the dems. Because it means Donalds has a better chance of winning, and it also means the Freedom Caucus has more leverage to get what they want.
What they want is decidedly America First, which is bad news for the dems.
So again, I'm fine with this dragging out as long as possible. Only benefits America First candidates and their supporters and hurts the dems and RINOs.
Im not sure I agree with this. I think this likely to result in a pro-impeachment Cheney type in there as a unity Speaker. Im sure the Dems are licking their chops to vote for one, and Im certain there are enough corporate republicans to support something like this. Our culture is sick, and politics isnt the cure.
It will end up with McCarthy as speaker. Check the other thread on this vote, @DCandtheUTBand said the Freedom Caucus is asking for common sense, America First concessions from McCarthy in exchange for their votes.
Right now, he isn't even close to getting to 218 without their votes. So either they have to give up, or McCarthy does.
We'll see who blinks first.
If that's what you're waiting for why is McCarthy incapable of getting the needed votes from his own party?
Who was the last Speaker of the House nominee that needed votes from the opposing party to win? 🤣
Wrong again. McCarthy & other republicans say they aren't open to trying to get democrat votes.
The republicans have all the votes they need to secure the speakership...and they can't.
First time in 100 years the majority party couldn't get that done with 1 vote
What? This is the first time the country was divided?
McCarthy failed in his first attempt at Speaker in 2015....Why are republicans re-running this loser?
After now his 4th round of losing...Why is the republican party incapable of nominating someone the deciding majority can vote for?
You want to know the answer to that question?
The same jackasses that wanted to obstruct anything Obama proposed, the same idiots that kept chopping Boehner off at the knees when he negotiated anything, the same crybabies that drove Paul Ryan from government, the same losers who plotted a coup for trump...
...are the same people who are now holding up the majority (both democrat & republican) from moving forward.
20 maga retards are now drawing the scorn of ALL Americans
And if McCarthy gives up? Like I said, pro-impeachment Bush republican as speaker. Book it
You talk in circles. I already told you McCarthy is incapable of getting the votes from his own party. What am I waiting for? Huh? Do you think have any control over any of this. Im an observer just like you. Im not suggesting that I would like him to Democrat votes to win speaker, you stated that this option was floated weeks ago. You said that, not me. I just pointed out that democrats want something in return for their vote, something republicans are unwilling to give. Then you say wrong to that, and say republicans are unwilling to go for democrat votes. Huh? Do republicans have the power to stop democrats from voting McCarthy? NO. What you mean by pursuing democrat votes, is concede something to democrats for their vote. Like I said, something republicans were unwilling to give. Obviously, republicans are incapable of electing a Speaker because they are divided and are unwilling to go along with a Soviet show vote. " 20 maga retards", I think you mean duly elected members of congress voting as their constituents demand of them. Your posture toward them seems hostile to democracy.
Cause they want concessions from McCarthy. If he caves and gives those concessions, he gets their votes.
So isn't that good proof he shouldn't be the Speaker?
How the hell is he going to whip votes as speaker if he can't whip votes for his own nomination?
No. Republicans have refused to even hear what the democrats want so they're saying no to the idea of negotiation in general.
And let's stop with the pretending...If McCarthy even inferred that he would negotiate with the democrats he would be DONE in his own party. It looks like he is anyway but he would lose so many votes his career in politics would be over.
Want some anecdotal proof? How about this guy?
I don't say it....McCarthy and the republicans said no to the idea
That's the democrats fault? LOL.
Thank you...republicans are unwilling to compromise
They're unwilling or incapable of running their own party...which is proof they shouldn't be trusted with running the country
Hostile to democracy? Most if not all of the 20 maga representatives are targets in a criminal investigation of an attempted insurrection & conspiracy to overthrow the Constitution and the 2020 election results
Your support of people who try to overthrow democracy is telling about you
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I dont know where you are getting that I'm a McCarthy apologist or that he should be speaker. I would tend to agree that this indicates that he should not be speaker. So, now we have come to an understanding, democrats DO WANT SOMETHING for their vote. This also undermines the idea that they are not part of the process, no? Like McCarthy voters and Jordan voters, they dont have the juice to get what they want. Agreed? I also agree that if McCarthy went the democrat vote route he would, and should be done within his conference. Im not assigning fault to anyone in congress. If this is something that deserves to have fault assigned to it, then the PEOPLE are at fault. WE ( you and I, fellow countrymen ) dont have a stuff together. There are things we ( democrats and republicans ) shouldnt be willing to compromise on. Agree? This is proof that republicans shouldnt be trusted to run the country? Then wouldnt the will of the People, reflected in the midterm election serve as proof that democrats have been rejected and should run congress? I have said nothing about who I support or what I support pal. I am veteran, and a father of 3 children who is concerned about the direction of our country, and the medicine that most people advocate for our disease. You dont know anything about me. I have made no ill comments about your intentions, but you have to impose your cartoon character view, your broad brush to make a silly point. That says a lot about YOU, not me. I am simply giving my opinion on what we are seeing. Im not advocating it. Im not denouncing it.
Yeah that's why its called a negotiation... 🤣
Who ever said they aren't part of the process?
But the republicans don't need 1 vote to elect the speaker...they're just incapable of doing it
No. Democrats do not hold the majority of votes...republicans do
That would solve the problem because republicans would be forced to consider someone else that 218 republicans could vote for.
Obviously that isn't McCarthy but some republicans keep nominating him for some reason... 🤣
Well then you would be wrong.
A minority of republicans are to blame
Didn't you just say the republicans aren't willing compromise?
Democrats have offered...what was the GOP response?
This is proof the republicans can't even organize & run their own political party (been that way for awhile)
Why the hell should we trust them to run the country?
They don't even trust themselves.
If you support the republican party then a couple of things inherently come with it
You support not investigating Jan 6 for instance....or Mar-A-Lago...or the election interference in GA
You're a veteran? That's great. Thank You for your service.
Would you support people who tried to overthrow the US government or start an insurrection because a number of them have already been convicte...and some of these GOP members of Congress are targets of a criminal investigation for that very reason
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Ghost keeps responding to your truthful post like a kindergartener, poor guy is so upset his daddy’s party looks like a wagon full of a bunch goobers, I’ve said it before if I was a Republican I’d keep my mouth shut! LOSING is not a good lookWe've found donald trump...hiding and blaming someone else for ANOTHER one of his failed endorsements
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-attacks-mcconnell-wife-over-015546349.html
Trump attacks McConnell, wife over GOP ‘turmoil’ after McCarthy fails to win Speakership
Former President Trump on Tuesday lashed out at Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and his wife, former Trump administration Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao, for “unnecessary turmoil” within the GOP in the wake of House Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy’s (Calif.) failure to win the lower chamber’s Speakership.
“There is so much unnecessary turmoil in the Republican Party,” Trump said, adding that the disorder is due in large part to McConnell, Chao and their “RINO” allies, using an acronym for “Republicans in name only.”
The statement is the latest example of Trump attacking not only McConnell but also his wife, who last month denounced the former president’s frequent use of a racist nickname for her. Trump repeated the nickname in his latest statement.
The former president’s comments came just after the House on Tuesday sat through three votes for Speaker, only to adjourn without a winner.
Seems like the grownups in the republican party know what seems like the only solution if republicans want McCarthy...start talking to democrats like Clyburn suggested.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/centrist-republican-says-preliminary-talks-173535202.html
Centrist Republican says ‘preliminary talks’ with Democrats underway on Speaker deal
Rep. Don Bacon (R-Neb.) on Wednesday said “preliminary talks” had begun with Democrats about supporting a “consensus candidate” for Speaker.
Bacon told CNN, however, he wanted to hold back on the details of the conversations so as to not get ahead of the negotiations.
“There are preliminary talks, but we don’t want to go too fast on this because that then highjacks what Kevin is trying to do, and we want to support Kevin, he’s worked hard to get this,” Bacon said.
McCarthy left the House Tuesday after a historic defeat in the first three rounds of voting for the gavel. It was the first time in 100 years that a contest for Speaker went past the first round of balloting. He was blocked by 20 Republican lawmakers who refused to support his bid.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/centrist-republican-says-preliminary-talks-173535202.html
Centrist Republican says ‘preliminary talks’ with Democrats underway on Speaker deal
Rep. Don Bacon (R-Neb.) on Wednesday said “preliminary talks” had begun with Democrats about supporting a “consensus candidate” for Speaker.
Bacon told CNN, however, he wanted to hold back on the details of the conversations so as to not get ahead of the negotiations.
“There are preliminary talks, but we don’t want to go too fast on this because that then highjacks what Kevin is trying to do, and we want to support Kevin, he’s worked hard to get this,” Bacon said.
McCarthy left the House Tuesday after a historic defeat in the first three rounds of voting for the gavel. It was the first time in 100 years that a contest for Speaker went past the first round of balloting. He was blocked by 20 Republican lawmakers who refused to support his bid.
Now ray ray is beginning the dems to give up and support his man McCarthy LMAO! Good grief this escalated quickly! 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣Seems like the grownups in the republican party know what seems like the only solution if republicans want McCarthy...start talking to democrats like Clyburn suggested.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/centrist-republican-says-preliminary-talks-173535202.html
Centrist Republican says ‘preliminary talks’ with Democrats underway on Speaker deal
Rep. Don Bacon (R-Neb.) on Wednesday said “preliminary talks” had begun with Democrats about supporting a “consensus candidate” for Speaker.
Bacon told CNN, however, he wanted to hold back on the details of the conversations so as to not get ahead of the negotiations.
“There are preliminary talks, but we don’t want to go too fast on this because that then highjacks what Kevin is trying to do, and we want to support Kevin, he’s worked hard to get this,” Bacon said.
McCarthy left the House Tuesday after a historic defeat in the first three rounds of voting for the gavel. It was the first time in 100 years that a contest for Speaker went past the first round of balloting. He was blocked by 20 Republican lawmakers who refused to support his bid.
I dont disagree. I think republicans are lost and broken. I think our entire culture is lost and broken. Serious question, if the American People elected this mess of a Republican party, what does that say about the unified democrats. If I am to agree with the way Graves has set the table, and its up to the majority republicans to figure it out ( which I dont agree ), that means the democrats havent even been invited to the grown up table by the American People. This should be a moment for democrats to reflect, with humility, on why people would want this disfunctional mess over the unified democrats.
That's a great point, these goobers are talking about how bad the pubs are, then how did they lose to them? What does that say about how pitiful the dems are right now?
Democrats Captor & Kahanna have gone public saying they would vote for a republican based on republicans promising to not hold the country hostage with the debt ceiling, a pledge to work with the WH, and some select committee appointments....
So 2 democrats are public that they would vote for a republican other than McCarthy and have forwarded some acceptable names
When will the republican party break the bad news to trump's "Kevin"?
Or where's the republicans that would cross party lines and vote for Jefferies?
It would take fewer of them (6) than the 17 that McCarthy needs
So 2 democrats are public that they would vote for a republican other than McCarthy and have forwarded some acceptable names
When will the republican party break the bad news to trump's "Kevin"?
Or where's the republicans that would cross party lines and vote for Jefferies?
It would take fewer of them (6) than the 17 that McCarthy needs
Ray ray still thinks Jefferies/Jeffries is gonna be Speaker 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
Oh. So what you are saying is the entire body of the US House of Representatives is starting to move toward an end? One that is most reflective of what people voted for? Hmm.
Also, I will agree that voting republican inherently comes with those things you laid out when you agree that voting democrat inherently comes with supporting gentital mutilation of children, dudes in hooker outfits shacking fake breasts in the face of children and queer gender theory being taught in elementary school.
No matter what, that's NOT going to happen. McCarthy himself can't wait to start throwing faux J6 types, the FBI, the corrupt alphabet agencies controlling social media to the wolves. The Dims aren't getting anything but a chocolate covered shitbar , and they are going to ask for another bite of it. 😂
No to be honest I think republicans will screw up that option of working with the democrats
Want the easiest solution?
Kevin McCarthy should get a freaking clue that the republican party doesn't want him to be speaker and step aside.
Once he's not an option we'll find out who the party can support but as long as he keeps getting nominated this will be stagnant.
McCarthy's lifelong wish to be speaker has come to an end...he's not a viable option and the republican party is solely to blame for that.
Obviously, McCarthy isnt in control of this process. I have seen enough out of corporate republicans to know that they will savage the base and love it.
Look, I think its clear that we do not agree on the best policy perscriptions for our country. I dont think I disagree with a single thing you said in this post. My contention is that THIS IS WHAT THE PEOPLE VOTED FOR. Im not endorsing it, Im not rejecting....Im just making an observation. Our culture and institutions are a MESS. Nobody is right, when everybody is wrong. Its is time to have humility and recognize that we are doing with OUR nation is a disaster. We are broke. Its a cop out to hang this on one side. WE have been full of hubris. We need to find some common ground, our OUR country is going to come unglued. There are things I am not willing compromise. No Gender / sex stuff for the minors. No more intersectional politics. We need humility.
