USA Today 2016 Football All American Teams

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Of the 28 players named to the two teams, the SEC had 11


SEC Teams with 1 All American this season
Auburn
LSU
Ole Miss
Tennessee
Texas A&M
Vandy


SEC Teams with 5 All Americans this season
The Alabama Crimson Stain

There's a moral to that observation me thinks.




Most teams have to beg "Blue Chippers" to even consider them. Then beg even harder to get them to come for an official visit

Saban( Like Spurrirer back when he was in Gainesville.) has to lock his door to keep them from coming into his office to beg him into letting them join the team.

As much as I dislike and distrust that man and that team, I must acknowledge his coaching and recruiting ability and especially his player development.

Until he retires, that midget will be the biggest dog in any fight.

 

[Gator Fever]

I am not convinced he is a great game day coach. A good one but not a great one. Excel in the NFL then you convince me you may be great at both.

 

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I am not convinced he is a great game day coach. A good one but not a great one. Excel in the NFL then you convince me you may be great at both.

I measure greatness by what a person has achieved instead of that which they have not.


A person can be a great stone mason but only a mediocre carpenter. But the latter cannot detract from his masonry skills. Winning on the College level is what he does best and right now, he is in a league with few others.

He has built several programs and elevated LSU and Alabama to National Champions. I don't recall others in the last 40 years accomplishing that feat. He has 5 National Championships and if his team plays to form, he will be tied with Bryant with the most NCs of all time.


His "Greatness" lies in creating the best team in the nation through recruiting and player development and having them prepared to win regardless of the competition. He also surrounds himself with top assistants and pays them very well.

He was 48-16 at LSU, 28-12 in the Conference
He is 113-18 at Alabama with 6 of those losses coming in his 1st year, 66-12 in the conference
He has won 10 Conference Championship titles ( not division titles. He also has 10 of those)

Conference Championships:
1 at Toledo in 1 season
2 at LSU in 5 seasons
7 at Alabama in 10 seasons

But his greatest achievement was winning a National Championship in a year he didn't even win the SECW.

As for being a great gameday coach and looking at his record, It doesn't look like there's not much he has ever needed to do.

Again, I don't like the man and root for whatever team is playing Alafrigginbama. But I wish he were coaching Tennessee instead of Lyle the Lump and I bet there is a lot of Florida fans who would gladly swap Mr Swamp Donkey for Nick the Midget.

 

[46885]

his greatest achievement was not getting into the NC because they have the money and name to get a 2nd shot at the team that beat them at HOME in front of a record crowd at night. No matter what happened in the 2nd game that was a hand over

 

[Gator Fever]

Yep same record (number of losses) a power 5 conference champ should always go over a non power 5 conference champ to the BCS/Playoff imo. I could live with Penn State being left out due to the 2 losses this year but I think it was Oklahoma State or someone like that that should have went to that BCS game imo.

 

[instaGATOR]

I measure greatness by what a person has achieved --- instead of that which they have not.

The Head-BJ - After 4 years, even after 2 Top 5 recruiting classes, he has yet to get to Atlanta.

McElwain - Only coach in SEC history to take his team to the SEC-C games his 1st 2 years. But he has yet to get a Top 10 recruiting class or win the SEC-C.

So I guess that's why you constantly denigrate McElwain, because you are measuring his greatness on what he's achieved as the Gator's new HC --- instead of what he's not.

 

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The Head-BJ - After 4 years, even after 2 Top 5 recruiting classes, he has yet to get to Atlanta.

McElwain - Only coach in SEC history to take his team to the SEC-C games his 1st 2 years. But he has yet to get a Top 10 recruiting class or win the SEC-C.

So I guess that's why you constantly denigrate McElwain, because you are measuring his greatness on what he's achieved as the Gator's new HC --- instead of what he's not.

So "F'n" what. Jones is a choker. He's proven that repeatedly. F-U lucked their way there both years by having Georgia screw up.

With the kind of talent Kirby is assembling, you won't have to worry about Mr Ed lucking his way back to Atlanta ever again. Kirby will win the SECE due to talent, not coaching.

F-U will have to battle UT for 2nd until Mizzu and Ky get a couple more decent recruiting classes.


The only brilliant coaching from Mr Ed and his Minions was to use a known Roided Up Q/B last year to steal 6 wins. Other than that, he has sucked as bad as Jones and you know it.

 

[Gator Fever]

So "F'n" what. Jones is a choker. He's proven that repeatedly. F-U lucked their way there both years by having Georgia screw up.

With the kind of talent Kirby is assembling, you won't have to worry about Mr Ed lucking his way back to Atlanta ever again. Kirby will win the SECE due to talent, not coaching.

F-U will have to battle UT for 2nd until Mizzu and Ky get a couple more decent recruiting classes.


The only brilliant coaching from Mr Ed and his Minions was to use a known Roided Up Q/B last year to steal 6 wins. Other than that, he has sucked as bad as Jones and you know it.

Up to that point Ole Miss was the only game Grier really played a lot better than Treon who fell off a cliff after the LSU game. Grier just had a good final drive against Tenn when they played that prevent a win defense.

 

[46885]

we won't have to worry about mcelwain because he won't be our coach after next year anymore and then things will get back to usual, we still won the east with this embarrassing nonsense going on, think about that going forward. Once we get just a decent head coach again finally, top recruiting again and some QB play. UT will have to find another coach in the middle of next year too

 

[46885]

and UGA didn't need us to luck into anything, we have bent them over 3 years in a row now and squashed them by double digits each year holding their offense to basically nothing.... I remember how excited they were each time they beat us in those three years watching their players jump in the stands and celebrating with their fans like they just won the Championship in Atlanta or the Super Bowl, when we beat them like we are supposed to we just treat it like any other win. UGA will never beat us consistently if they couldn't even still handle us when we were down with two straight awful Head Coaches. Never took advantage either time and even when they finally went to Atlanta they still lost

 

[Dannygator1989]

I know a lot of you, for some logical reasons, think we're going to have a bad enough year that Mac gets fired.

But watch out kiddos, our SEC schedule works out nicely and you just watch us beat Michigan in an ugly opener.

If one of the young guys does end up at QB and can be average, we may very well be threepeating to Atlanta and Mac ain't going anywhere.

 

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we won't have to worry about mcelwain because he won't be our coach after next year anymore and then things will get back to usual, we still won the east with this embarrassing nonsense going on, think about that going forward. Once we get just a decent head coach again finally, top recruiting again and some QB play. UT will have to find another coach in the middle of next year too

UT does not have an AD and won't have until after July. Sadly, we're stuck with Lyle and his $10,000,000 buy-out for at least two more years.

 

[Gator Fever]

I know a lot of you, for some logical reasons, think we're going to have a bad enough year that Mac gets fired.

But watch out kiddos, our SEC schedule works out nicely and you just watch us beat Michigan in an ugly opener.

If one of the young guys does end up at QB and can be average, we may very well be threepeating to Atlanta and Mac ain't going anywhere.

Michigan could save him probably but a loss there and that defense dropping off is going to be a killer for us probably going forward. I know we get no hard games as true road games but its still going to be tough to beat many of those teams and with the defense down it makes the lower tier SEC East teams a lot more dangerous to us.

 

[46885]

hudspeth will be our next coach for 400k a year, money deals recommended by Foley...

 

[oozie7]

I know a lot of you, for some logical reasons, think we're going to have a bad enough year that Mac gets fired.

But watch out kiddos, our SEC schedule works out nicely and you just watch us beat Michigan in an ugly opener.

If one of the young guys does end up at QB and can be average, we may very well be threepeating to Atlanta and Mac ain't going anywhere.

He's not going anywhere next year barring a losing record. He'll get four years and he should, but if recruiting doesn't pick up and some staff changes aren't made you can kinda start to see how it's gonna end. I think bringing back Nuss is gonna end up being a huge mistake, I can see us going into year 4 with a change at OC trying to turn things around just like Muschamp's last year where it might be too little too late.

 

[Gator Fever]

He's not going anywhere next year barring a losing record. He'll get four years and he should, but if recruiting doesn't pick up and some staff changes aren't made you can kinda start to see how it's gonna end. I think bringing back Nuss is gonna end up being a huge mistake, I can see us going into year 4 with a change at OC trying to turn things around just like Muschamp's last year where it might be too little too late.

I hope you are wrong and don't see why people think he will get a 4th year if we keep on the same path. Zook didn't get a 4th year and the East being trash the past 4 years shouldn't get him a 4th year if we struggle again next year after Mac has another bad recruiting class like it appears might happen. It would just be hurting the program a year longer with him letting recruiting drop like that. Its a joke we are even having a discussion about ending up 7th to 9th in recruiting in our own conference. Barring a Michigan win to lead things off I think the heat is going to get very strong next season to fire him and 5 losses would pretty much guarantee it.

 

[GoFish2]

his greatest achievement was not getting into the NC because they have the money and name to get a 2nd shot at the team that beat them at HOME in front of a record crowd at night. No matter what happened in the 2nd game that was a hand over

Sounds alot like 96....

 

[46885]

Florida didn't lose at home and had important starters out that proved to be obviously important from the first snap in the Championship game. Florida didn't get it handed to them, they won their division, and smashed Alabama to win their conference title game.. and needed two other miracles to take place just to get the chance to embarrass FSU for cake walking in the game then getting what they deserved

 

[Gator Fever]

Florida didn't lose at home and had important starters out that proved to be obviously important from the first snap in the Championship game. Florida didn't get it handed to them, they won their division, and smashed Alabama to win their conference title game.. and needed two other miracles to take place just to get the chance to embarrass FSU for cake walking in the game then getting what they deserved

Exactly - a lot needed to happen and we actually won our conference. Unless its like this year where another team has an extra loss the Big 5 conference champs should always have priority imo. I think it was OSU or someone like that that should have went instead of them that year imo.

 

[46885]

It was oklahoma state, and they won their conference beating OU by like 40, the most they have ever beat them by in the big 12 championship game basically. and OU was ranked at least the top 15 or top 10 too

 

[Michi-Gator]

I know a lot of you, for some logical reasons, think we're going to have a bad enough year that Mac gets fired.

But watch out kiddos, our SEC schedule works out nicely and you just watch us beat Michigan in an ugly opener.

If one of the young guys does end up at QB and can be average, we may very well be threepeating to Atlanta and Mac ain't going anywhere.

I think a loss to Iowa and the opening with a loss to Michigan and next year will be his last. The getting to ATL thing will at some point stop being a savior. If we keep getting pummeled by FSU and The West Champ.

I think we beat Iowa handily, but I will go on record right now saying anyone who thinks we beat Michigan is delusional. They will out coach and out talent us by miles. And they are a pissed off, motivated team right now. Not to mention we either start LDR or someone making their first start.

And I get that our SECw oppnents are both home games, but I am not seeing anything easy about our SEC schedule.

 

[Nolec]

I think a loss to Iowa and the opening with a loss to Michigan and next year will be his last. The getting to ATL thing will at some point stop being a savior. If we keep getting pummeled by FSU and The West Champ.

I think we beat Iowa handily, but I will go on record right now saying anyone who thinks we beat Michigan is delusional. They will out coach and out talent us by miles. And they are a pissed off, motivated team right now. Not to mention we either start LDR or someone making their first start.

And I get that our SECw oppnents are both home games, but I am not seeing anything easy about our SEC schedule.

Not certain at all that you lose to Mich. since they lose all 12 starters and two second team players on defense and 8 starters on O. First game for them will be interesting.

 

[46885]

that will make it all the more interesting to watch how Florida does anything it takes to lose anyway

 

[Gator Fever]

I think a loss to Iowa and the opening with a loss to Michigan and next year will be his last. The getting to ATL thing will at some point stop being a savior. If we keep getting pummeled by FSU and The West Champ.

I think we beat Iowa handily, but I will go on record right now saying anyone who thinks we beat Michigan is delusional. They will out coach and out talent us by miles. And they are a pissed off, motivated team right now. Not to mention we either start LDR or someone making their first start.

And I get that our SECw oppnents are both home games, but I am not seeing anything easy about our SEC schedule.

I see it just the opposite - a likely loss to Iowa and a chance to beat Michigan because of their huge turnover and it being the first game of the season. If the game was a few games into the season I would say we lose for sure to Michigan but it wouldn't shock me if we beat them in that first game. I think its like a 60/40 game in Michigan's favor due to their coach.

"And I get that our SECw oppnents are both home games, but I am not seeing anything easy about our SEC schedule."

Well Mac did take back the Swamp this year.

 

[Michi-Gator]

We will be starting either LDR or someone with zero experience. Michigan returns their QB. Michigan is SIGNIFICANTLY better coached than we are. And I love how everyone acts like we lose nothing. Our defense is getting gutted by the NFL and I like their depth compared to ours, especially on the DL.

 

[46885]

who was our best home win was it kentucky or south carolina

 

[HardeeWildcatFan]

who was our best home win was it kentucky or south carolina

Neither!!!! The open date was our best win of the year, no interceptions, OLine was perfect and nobody was injured....

 

[Gator Fever]

We will be starting either LDR or someone with zero experience. Michigan returns their QB. Michigan is SIGNIFICANTLY better coached than we are. And I love how everyone acts like we lose nothing. Our defense is getting gutted by the NFL and I like their depth compared to ours, especially on the DL.

We are being gutted alright people just see how much Michigan loses but if Harbaugh's top recruits are quick learners it might not matter. We also bring back the whole offense almost except the starting QB hopefully from this season while they just bring their average joe QB back for another year for the most part. The depth issue might can be hidden the first game before injuries etc. We might still lose but we are damn lucky its the first game of the year.

 

[Dannygator1989]

Michi really doesn't like to acknowledge that Michigan is going to be trying to replace WAY more players than we are.

 

[oozie7]

Michigan is losing a whole lot. The flip side to that though is so are we on our best side of the ball. We could lose as much as 9 defensive starters and be breaking in a new DC. Even if we keep Shannon he hasn't called a game in almost a decade. The thing that worries me too is that next year will be the first year that Harbaugh has a returning QB for that offense which you would think means they improve a lot on offense. They did the past two years with an Iowa reject and Speight who wasn't that highly recruited starting for the first time.

I think they'll score on us. And we should be able to score on them too if the offense improves any considering their defensive losses. This game is all on the offense though. We don't have any excuse to not be in this game with all they're losing. And I'm betting that's why we'll see Nuss back because Mac probably doesn't wanna gamble on a new OC in year 3 even if there might be an upgrade. For everybody's sake let's hope it works out.

 

[Michi-Gator]

Michi really doesn't like to acknowledge that Michigan is going to be trying to replace WAY more players than we are.

I saw an NFL mock draft that had 5 Gator defenders in the top 33 picks. Thats a shit ton to replace talent wise. Both teams will have all new secondaries but they have a returning QB and we should be starting someone for their first game. Add to that, they are a superior coaching staff. Look at last years bowl of pretty even talent teams and they kicked our ass like we were a high school team. And while I like Shannon, Don Brown is one of the best DCs in the country and Harbaugh is probably the best coach not named Meyer or Saban in the country. They return a QB and some experience on the DL. He has outrecruited Mac by light years the last two years. I am just not seeing where we have the edge in any aspect of this game. Now imagine if Anzalone, Sharpe, Dawson and/or Harris go pro? I simply think we are in for an ass beating

 

[Gator Fever]

On paper the edge we have would be on offense unless their new starters are just way more talented than our returning starters. That QB they have is not a difference maker and not a real big advantage for them unless our QBs just come out turning the ball over. I agree Harbaugh gives them a big coaching edge. I would take him over Saban or Meyer if the team talent level was equal.

 

[Michi-Gator]

On paper the edge we have would be on offense unless their new starters are just way more talented than our returning starters. That QB they have is not a difference maker and not a real big advantage for them unless our QBs just come out turning the ball over. I agree Harbaugh gives them a big coaching edge. I would take him over Saban or Meyer if the team talent level was equal.

Ok, lets say defense is a wash, though I still prefer their DL to ours.

Offense-

QB: they have a returning starter and arguably the best QB coach on the planet as their HBC. We have a QB making their first start and Nuss. Michigan by a mile

OL: I think we have the edge in experience, I think they have the edge in talent and I know for a fact they have the OL coaching edge.

RB and TE: wash

WR: we should have a clear edge here

So, lets say its a shootout? Is there any coach in the nation you would rather NOT have than Nuss in a shootout?

And again, last year we faces them with about equal talent and got our asses handed to us. We may win this, but I do mot see how anyone can look at this game and think we have any sort of edge

 

[Gator Fever]

Michi-Gator, post: 954450 Ok, lets say defense is a wash, though I still prefer their DL to ours.

Offense-

QB: they have a returning starter and arguably the best QB coach on the planet as their HBC. We have a QB making their first start and Nuss. Michigan by a mile
This I don't consider a big edge for them after watching that QB play a few times. I guess it could be if our QB came out throwing picks.

OL: I think we have the edge in experience, I think they have the edge in talent and I know for a fact they have the OL coaching edge.
Probably a wash here imo being an early game before their line gets experience

RB and TE: wash
Agree

WR: we should have a clear edge here
Agree

So, lets say its a shootout? Is there any coach in the nation you would rather NOT have than Nuss in a shootout?
Agree

And again, last year we faces them with about equal talent and got our asses handed to us. We may win this, but I do mot see how anyone can look at this game and think we have any sort of edge
Not saying a clear edge overall but I think we lucked out getting this game out of the gate and it may be a tossup if we don't have a turnover machine at QB for the game with all their new starters. If this was like game 4 or after I think Michigan would win for sure.

 

[Michi-Gator]

Michi-Gator, post: 954450 Ok, lets say defense is a wash, though I still prefer their DL to ours.

Offense-

QB: they have a returning starter and arguably the best QB coach on the planet as their HBC. We have a QB making their first start and Nuss. Michigan by a mile
This I don't consider a big edge for them after watching that QB play a few times. I guess it could be if our QB came out throwing picks.

OL: I think we have the edge in experience, I think they have the edge in talent and I know for a fact they have the OL coaching edge.
Probably a wash here imo being an early game before their line gets experience

RB and TE: wash
Agree

WR: we should have a clear edge here
Agree

So, lets say its a shootout? Is there any coach in the nation you would rather NOT have than Nuss in a shootout?
Agree

And again, last year we faces them with about equal talent and got our asses handed to us. We may win this, but I do mot see how anyone can look at this game and think we have any sort of edge
Not saying a clear edge overall but I think we lucked out getting this game out of the gate and it may be a tossup if we don't have a turnover machine at QB for the game with all their new starters. If this was like game 4 or after I think Michigan would win for sure.

I guess I look at it being the opener as a different challenege. Our QB will have ZERO game experience. Theirs will be like 11-2 as a starter. And while I see the limitations they have put up a shit ton of points this year with him as there starter. I just can't see where Franks or Trask first start is going to be better than this guy with a whole season under his belt and two full seasons under Harbaugh

 

[oozie7]

I actually like Speight a lot. I thought he was just a game manager type early in the season and his stats aren't great but he can spin it. The ball comes off his hands real clean and he reminds me of Big Ben slinging it.

 

[Dannygator1989]

I actually like Speight a lot. I thought he was just a game manager type early in the season and his stats aren't great but he can spin it. The ball comes off his hands real clean and he reminds me of Big Ben slinging it.

Oh please...really? Ben?

Come on.

 

[oozie7]

Oh please...really? Ben?

Come on.

Don't mean he's as good or as talented. Just his size and the way the ball comes off his hand. He has a really nice arm.

 

[Countygator]

Michigan losing a ton. May help to keep it close.