UF/Ole Miss Game Thread

[instaGATOR]

Some dwell on any negative that they can find to whine about, I get it....

We have 3 PG's on the roster and that's what there is to work with for now. I don't see how constantly harping on any and every flaw helps anything, so I don't.
If they aren't as good as some past PG, well tough nuggies cause those others are not on the team.

I agree on Big John as a shooter. He needs to go back to last years formula and power dunk whenever he's near the basket. His short hook has seeming disappeared this season. The reason for that is?????

Hayes on the other hand has played well, and better than John in most games. But the EG is still a good rebouder and shot blocker, so look to his positives while he continues to work on his weaknesses. I'm pretty sure that both he and the coaches do so at every practice.

Anyone looking for total perfection on our team are not going to find it.
But there is still one very positive that should NOT be overlooked while harping only on the faults and it's this:
In the Top 25, 11-3, 2-0 SEC, against the #2 SoS with a #4 RPI.
(better than we had any reason to hope for with a coaching transition)

 

[46885]

Hill is a great ball handler as far as getting past his man, and he is probably the fastest player in the country end to end with the ball. But his recklessness with the ball, particularly in big spots and when the Gators are trying to protect a lead, is an issue. I think he really struggles with an understanding of when to be aggressive and when to protect the ball. Also, when he has a couple nice plays in a row, you know the pull up jumper is coming. Every shot he takes should come with at least a foot in the lane.

taurean and scottie were the only guards it seems like we've ever had that know how and when to slow it down to protect a lead and not stay out of control... but even scottie struggled with that until his last year, it seems like we've always had that problem. Certainly with erving, my God and Beal did it with youth... Dupay and all those guys used to do it too back then. I remember liking justin hamilton and Mike Miller a lot. Even Brewer only knew one speed a lot of times

 

[46885]

We don't point out the negatives because we want too, we point them out because they are there and can be limited and stopped, because mostly they are mental flaws out of control and dumb turnovers or not doing things right fundamentally like rebounding and giving the other team too many extra opportunities and those get you beat. They have 3 times already, the good teams make you pay... Last night we were lucky we didn't play a good enough team to pay for them with the mistakes at the line etc...

 

[instaGATOR]

Something that I've commented on from the beginning, and I hope that White will consider it. In the last 2-3 minutes of any game, but especially when they are trying to protect a slim lead, use Allen and Barry when the other team is fouling. Both of them are 80+% FT shooters.

 

[instaGATOR]

We don't point out the negatives because we want too, we point them out because they are there and can be limited and stopped, because mostly they are mental flaws out of control and dumb turnovers or not doing things right fundamentally like rebounding and giving the other team too many extra opportunities and those get you beat. They have 3 times already, the good teams make you pay... Last night we were lucky we didn't play a good enough team to pay for them with the mistakes at the line etc...

So volunteer as a coach, cause I'm sure that you know more than the Gator coaching staff or the players themselves know about B-Ball...

I'm pretty sure that you DON'T have to, unless someone is holding a gun to your head to make you do so....

 

[46885]

you say that talking about the negatives does no good but then you say shit like that, which is doing the same thing but directly at someone on a board for discussing the sport... how is that any different if not worse

 

[instaGATOR]

It's not talking about a problem, that's the problem. It's the constant harping about it over and over again that I see as a negative.

I was guilty of that earlier when it came to the QB's, but I think that I've been proven mostly correct on that point so far.

I have also strongly supported the hiring and the jobs done of both McElwain and White, which others that complain constantly haven't done.

Now tell me how much you like about both coaches and both teams for just a day, to show me that you know how to do that....

 

[46885]

There's not much good to say about the football staff.. THAT is the problem, you look at the facts, the offense is worse than it was under the worst you could imagine under the last coach that was FIRED for it, and now the recruiting is worse than ever. I don't want that to be the case but it can't be denied


I have zero problem with the basketball coaching and have been nothing but positive about it, talking about how the players could be better is a whole different subject.

 

[ocalaman]

A coach in college rises and falls, ultimately, with the players they recruit. I really like McElwain and have been in favor of his hiring from the beginning. I have my doubts about Nussmeier as an OC, but unless McElwain gets MUCH better on the recruiting trail, he won't win enough games to last more than a couple more years. 10 wins, then 9, plus 2 SEC East titles, to me, was excellent considering the mess he inherited, especially on offense. But he's losing a lot of key players this year and the question becomes - Will his recruits be good enough to get us back into the Top 10? Same with basketball. I love the Mike White hire and think he's done an excellent job with the players he has. But over time, it will be recruiting that will decide his long term success. He will have more leeway than the football coach because football is the engine than drives the athletic program. But to get Florida back as a perennial SEC contender, a Top 15 program and an NCAA tournament team, it will depend on whether or not he can bring in the quality players to win the games that matter. As a 50+ year Gator fanatic who follows ALL our sports, I hope they all succeed.

 

[instaGATOR]

Here, let me help your dumb-azz out with that.
2015 - Projected to win 5-7 games at best and finish #5 in the SECe.
Went 10-4, SECe-C, SEC CoY

2016 - Projected to win 7, maybe 8 with a lot of luck and no injuries, #3 SECe.
Went 9-4 (10-4 hurricane), SECe-C again, UF 30-3 Iowa (Iowa 14-13 Mich).

And recruit classes improving every year so far.

B-Ball is in the Top 25, 11-3, 2-0 SEC with only 2 home games so far, against the #2 SoS with the #4 RPI.

Recruiting Class is very good, but excellent is still a year or 2 away imo.

 

[46885]

who are you calling names now?

no one can honestly believe mac is even coming close to well enough bringing in the players a school like Florida needs to compete with the teams in their conference and on their schedule, much less beat all of them and win championships against the rest of the nations best. Meyer is still recruiting like he's at Florida from our state millions of miles away in a snow crystal castle up north, and our direct rival and toying with us on the field and possibly even worse in recruiting. Miami will eventually start catching up with Richt with how it's been going

 

[ocalaman]

Here, let me help your dumb-azz out with that.
2015 - Projected to win 5-7 games at best and finish #5 in the SECe.
Went 10-4, SECe-C, SEC CoY

2016 - Projected to win 7, maybe 8 with a lot of luck and no injuries, #3 SECe.
Went 9-4 (10-4 hurricane), SECe-C again, UF 30-3 Iowa (Iowa 14-13 Mich).

And recruit classes improving every year so far.

B-Ball is in the Top 25, 11-3, 2-0 SEC with only 2 home games so far, against the #2 SoS with the #4 RPI.

Recruiting Class is very good, but excellent is still a year or 2 away imo.

I respect your opinion and appreciate where you're coming from on all of these posts. But the personal nastiness shows lack of class.

 

[MJWilliamson]

“The way we finished the game, it doesn't feel like a win,” Florida junior forward Devin Robinson said. “We need to go back to the drawing board.”

 

[MJWilliamson]

Don’t look now, but free-throw shooting is starting to become an issue again for the Gators. Florida went 11 of 21 from the foul line and is just 23 from 42 from the line in its first two SEC games. Point guards Kasey Hill and Chris Chiozza combined to go just 1 of 7 from the line against Ole Miss and missed some free throws in the final three minutes that allowed Ole Miss to hang around. Florida coach Mike White said that Chiozza and Hill need to stay on the floor late in games to handle pressure and has faith both will shake their recent slumps from the foul line. “I have faith that Kasey will get back to shooting them like he did the first 10 games of the season,” White said.

 

[Countygator]

Free throw shooting cost us a tourney bid last year. Guys need to stay focused on the freebies

 

[instaGATOR]

Straight up comment --- dumb-azz!

Panty-waist PC equivalent --- I just don't believe you're correct.

Your judgment that I'm nasty and lack class is not the PC BS that you seem to want me to follow imoho, so go ++++ yourself on that. ---
(and I got yawl's 'class' swingin')
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On any given night, a different Gator can and will lead the way for the rest of the team. I believe that 7 different Gators have led the team in scoring already this season. Against Ole Miss, it was Canyon Barry's turn.

“If he doesn’t come off the bench and have the game that he has, we’d be sitting here in the other column,” coach Mike White said afterward. “He was really good. That’s what he’s capable of. Again, just like any of us, he didn’t play a perfect game, but he was good. He was probably the MVP for us tonight.”

Barry was coming off his second-worst performance of the season — a 2-point game at Arkansas in which he missed all 3 of his 3-point shots and attempted only 4 shots total in 12 minutes of action. More to the point, he had been held to 6 points or fewer in three of the previous five games, and in his past eight games was shooting 31.8 percent overall (21-of-66) and 20.8 percent from 3 (5-of-24)

And that's why they play as a 'team' instead of just depending on the same 'one guy' in every game. They have each other's back so that when needed, any one of them can step up and make it happen.

In one of these games in the near future, I look for Big John to have a break out game again, cause he's due.

 

[bradleygator]

Barry looked good early in the season and then struggled when we stepped up in class a little bit. Now he's played well in conference, which is very encouraging, because he, Allen and Hill are the only ones who can get their own shot. Next step is for Barry to do it on the road. If he can, he would make a big difference for us in halfcourt offense.

 

[ocalaman]

Straight up comment --- dumb-azz!

Panty-waist PC equivalent --- I just don't believe you're correct.

Your judgment that I'm nasty and lack class is not the PC BS that you seem to want me to follow imoho, so go ++++ yourself on that. ---
(and I got yawl's 'class' swingin')
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On any given night, a different Gator can and will lead the way for the rest of the team. I believe that 7 different Gators have led the team in scoring already this season. Against Ole Miss, it was Canyon Barry's turn.

“If he doesn’t come off the bench and have the game that he has, we’d be sitting here in the other column,” coach Mike White said afterward. “He was really good. That’s what he’s capable of. Again, just like any of us, he didn’t play a perfect game, but he was good. He was probably the MVP for us tonight.”

Barry was coming off his second-worst performance of the season — a 2-point game at Arkansas in which he missed all 3 of his 3-point shots and attempted only 4 shots total in 12 minutes of action. More to the point, he had been held to 6 points or fewer in three of the previous five games, and in his past eight games was shooting 31.8 percent overall (21-of-66) and 20.8 percent from 3 (5-of-24)

And that's why they play as a 'team' instead of just depending on the same 'one guy' in every game. They have each other's back so that when needed, any one of them can step up and make it happen.

In one of these games in the near future, I look for Big John to have a break out game again, cause he's due.

I'm not into Political Correctness at all. But the more you make idiotic, personal comments without knowing the people you are targeting just shows how immature and classless you truly are. It's typical that when a person is on the losing end of a debate they turn to crude, rude, personal attacks as a way to make themselves feel better.

 

[Countygator]

Barry looked good early in the season and then struggled when we stepped up in class a little bit. Now he's played well in conference, which is very encouraging, because he, Allen and Hill are the only ones who can get their own shot. Next step is for Barry to do it on the road. If he can, he would make a big difference for us in halfcourt offense.

Agreed

 

[instaGATOR]

I'm not into Political Correctness at all. (but you still want me to be)

But the more you make idiotic, personal comments without knowing the people you are targeting just shows how immature and classless you truly are.
(I respond to what's written on this board, not how you act when you put on your plastic show in person for others)

It's typical that when a person is on the losing end of a debate they turn to crude, rude, personal attacks as a way to make themselves feel better.

So you lost, needed to feel better about your own dumb-azz, so you call me idiotic.

Thanks for pointing out why you're like that...

 

[ocalaman]

So you lost, needed to feel better about your own dumb-azz, so you call me idiotic.

Thanks for pointing out why you're like that...

You are a person to be truly pitied. Maybe one day you'll get the professional help you need.

 

[instaGATOR]

You are a person to be truly pitied. Maybe one day you'll get the professional help you need.

Pitied... Me??? By freakin' U!!!

Was that supposed to impress me, or hurt me?

Either way, MAJOR FAIL on your part,,, yet again.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Barry looked good early in the season and then struggled when we stepped up in class a little bit. Now he's played well in conference, which is very encouraging, because he, Allen and Hill are the only ones who can get their own shot. Next step is for Barry to do it on the road. If he can, he would make a big difference for us in halfcourt offense.

I would include Robinson as a player that can make his own shot.

 

[bradleygator]

I would include Robinson as a player that can make his own shot.

He can. I wish he would do it more often, actually. 4-5 shots a half from 18 feet in to go with whatever open jumpers he gets.

 

[Countygator]

Looking forward to today

 

[MJWilliamson]

He can. I wish he would do it more often, actually. 4-5 shots a half from 18 feet in to go with whatever open jumpers he gets.

Yep. He looks like he is going to shoot a three, gets the defender to commit and then dribbles laterally, usually to his left and launches a long two, usually with good results.

 

[bradleygator]

Yep. He looks like he is going to shoot a three, gets the defender to commit and then dribbles laterally, usually to his left and launches a long two, usually with good results.

And if he takes two steps with a dribble, he's in the lane. Nobody's going to block his shot in there. He airballed a little 4 foot floater against Miss but I loved the shot.