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That was my reaction as well.

Putting aside whether you liked the pick or not (overall I was mixed), this comment made no sense to me for several reasons:

1) The universities in Florida represent a major outlay of taxpayer funds. They absolutely should be subject to the political process and governance requirements of other taxpayer funded entities. Elections have consequences, and one clear outcome in Florida (and nationally) is that the majority of the voters want to eliminate preference-based approaches to running organizations of any kind.

2) DEI isn't just a little office--it's a cultural mindset that goes way beyond the number of people specifically assigned to the office (and that is also true in companies.) It has a significant influence on personnel decisions, admissions, procurement, and many other aspects of running a university.

3) The reason so many gov't entities have bloated financial budgets is exactly the sentiment expressed here--that eliminating a few million dollars from a budget doesn't matter. The budget of any entity is made up of thousands of individual line items that are all small by themselves. If something isn't necessary or doesn't add value to an organization, it doesn't matter whether it's a dollar or a billion dollars--it should be cut.

Universities are at the top of the list of some of the most poorly run organizations in the world. Their productivity has dropped by half in one generation and almost all of them have strayed way beyond their mission. We may not like all of the decisions that politicians make, but the people's representatives need to be much more aggressive in regaining control over public institutions funded by the state (not to mention federal grants and tuition paid by taxpayers.)
Exactly, like the $400k for the surgeon general at UF who apparently does nothing for that, or the $10 million of federal funds funneled to Hope Florida, or the $3 million of wasted taxpayers funds when DeSantis wanted $1,000 checks sent to teaches with his signature on it rather than the the free and secured approach of running such funds through direct deposit of each school district. And not to mention a governor who flies around the state for political posturing moments on a taxpayer-funded aircraft. Having worked in managing public funds my whole career, this type of waste and perhaps fraud irks my fiscal conservative self.
 
Exactly, like the $400k for the surgeon general at UF who apparently does nothing for that, or the $10 million of federal funds funneled to Hope Florida, or the $3 million of wasted taxpayers funds when DeSantis wanted $1,000 checks sent to teaches with his signature on it rather than the the free and secured approach of running such funds through direct deposit of each school district. And not to mention a governor who flies around the state for political posturing moments on a taxpayer-funded aircraft. Having worked in managing public funds my whole career, this type of waste and perhaps fraud irks my fiscal conservative self.
I feel ya ... politics in general is sicking.


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This DEI shit has swung way too far back in the other direction, and is just being used as a catch all term at this point to disapprove of anything they don’t like.

And these are the same people who unanimously approved Sasse, who had no business being appointed and then proceeded to grift the shit out of UF.
 
This DEI shit has swung way too far back in the other direction, and is just being used as a catch all term at this point to disapprove of anything they don’t like.

And these are the same people who unanimously approved Sasse, who had no business being appointed and then proceeded to grift the shit out of UF.

The ironic thing is that the initial overreach and need for DEI can be blamed on its biggest detractors since they are the reason DEI was needed. When you have people out there on the Radical Right who feel it is ok to deny same sex couples the right to marry in violation of the Equal Protection Clause, for example the overreaction from the Lunatic Left in making EVERYTHING a need for DEI is to be expected.

Both sides are at fault and those of us truly in the middle are left shaking our heads.
 
That was my reaction as well. Sarcasm aside, it’s worth pointing out that government oversight and organizational competence aren’t exactly synonymous, especially when it comes to complex, mission-driven institutions like research universities.

I agree with you that universities should be accountable to taxpayers and subject to public oversight. No one disputes that. But “elections have consequences” doesn’t mean every decision made by elected officials or politically appointed boards is necessarily wise or grounded in the long-term health of the institution. There’s a difference between accountability and micromanagement.

As for university inefficiency, yes, there’s room for improvement, like in any large institution. But let’s not pretend that political appointees are uniquely positioned to fix those problems. Many of the “bloat” issues are the result of decades of underfunding core academics while over-regulating operations. The idea that aggressive politil intervention will solve that is optimistic at best.

We should want thoughtful reform, not performative politics. Rejecting a nominee without a clear, substantive explanation undermines the credibility of the process more than it fixes anything, and it’s going to make it much harder to attract competent, qualified nominees going forward. Who would want to step into that process now, knowing the rules can change midstream?
Thanks--good thoughtful comments.

A couple of follow up comments:

1) I'm under no illusions that politicians of any ilk are good at improving productivity of institutions. That being said, I'd disagree about the biggest problems in universities--significantly reduced productivity of professors and incredible growth in non-teaching roles. Let me give two quick examples of that at UF: a) When I was in school in the early to mid 80s, the average professor had a teaching load of 6 credit hours. That figure is now half that level--about 3 credit hours. b) In the business school, 15-20 years ago, there were roughly 100 professors and less than 20 non-teaching roles. Today, there are roughly 125 professors and over 100 non-teaching roles. The number of students has actually declined slightly during .this period. I was on the MBA advisory board and the Dean presenting this the information was proud of growth in non-teaching roles. Those of us on the board were looking at him cross-eyed. There certainly are various federal regulations, etc. that have led to bloat, but the universities themselves are very poorly run.

2) I completely agree that universities shouldn't be micromanaged. However, the selection of the the president and making sure his views on the single most controversial issue in public education are aligned with the views of the electorate are not micromanagement. Those are the decisions the BOG should be intimately involved in.

The process here was ultimately bad (and to be fair to the BOG, Ono didn't do himself any favors by stating he's changed his views and the actions he would take on issues he is on public record in very recent years.) Hopefully, the process is handled better next time.
 
What are you talking about? Desantis fans shouldn't like this because in the future a Dem might appoint a liberal DEI president? That will always happen, and it does in 99% of universities around the country. Desantis won in a landslide, part of his agenda was taking our universities back and he should do so.
Taking the universities back from who/what? Denying young people the opportunity to learn who they are and about the world (not just UF or Florida) around them? Sad...
 
As we have said in earlier posts and said by some folks more in the know, it looks like it is a mistake by whomever actually wrote this up and was meant to refer to Ono and not Hosseini.

And the Board did think they had the required votes when making their unanimous decision, but things changed in the final days leading up to the Board of Governors vote when some of the Florida politicians started voraciously weighing in on Ono’s DEI positions in the past and his flip flopping about his positions then vs now.
You are spot on. In fact, one member of the BOT also sits on the BOG. He went from yay to nay between votes. Politics at its finest. Btw, during the meeting , Paul Renner (BOG member) was accused of lobbying for the Presidency)
 
Thanks--good thoughtful comments.

A couple of follow up comments:

1) I'm under no illusions that politicians of any ilk are good at improving productivity of institutions. That being said, I'd disagree about the biggest problems in universities--significantly reduced productivity of professors and incredible growth in non-teaching roles. Let me give two quick examples of that at UF: a) When I was in school in the early to mid 80s, the average professor had a teaching load of 6 credit hours. That figure is now half that level--about 3 credit hours. b) In the business school, 15-20 years ago, there were roughly 100 professors and less than 20 non-teaching roles. Today, there are roughly 125 professors and over 100 non-teaching roles. The number of students has actually declined slightly during .this period. I was on the MBA advisory board and the Dean presenting this the information was proud of growth in non-teaching roles. Those of us on the board were looking at him cross-eyed. There certainly are various federal regulations, etc. that have led to bloat, but the universities themselves are very poorly run.

2) I completely agree that universities shouldn't be micromanaged. However, the selection of the the president and making sure his views on the single most controversial issue in public education are aligned with the views of the electorate are not micromanagement. Those are the decisions the BOG should be intimately involved in.

The process here was ultimately bad (and to be fair to the BOG, Ono didn't do himself any favors by stating he's changed his views and the actions he would take on issues he is on public record in very recent years.) Hopefully, the process is handled better next time.
Interesting...

Curious Question. Is the teaching requirements a "new" trend in universities? Obviously there would be push back if things start to change. Is hiring younger probably the way to solve it? Really interesting to hear, not something one thinks about.
 
Interesting...

Curious Question. Is the teaching requirements a "new" trend in universities? Obviously there would be push back if things start to change. Is hiring younger probably the way to solve it? Really interesting to hear, not something one thinks about.
I'm not sure about the data nationally, though I'm fairly certain that UF's teaching loads are similar to other major universities. It's a combination of factors, including the fact that most colleges within the schools are rated based on research output rather than anything related to teaching.

The bigger factor is that the explosion in student loans (and federal grants) over the last 30+ years has eliminated financial discipline. We all know what's happened to tuition rates during th.is period. The ironic thing is that absolutely none of the gains in technology have shown up in cost reductions. Virtually everything is online and most first and second year classes could be taught by one professor (arguably over many campuses.) That should represent a substantial cost reduction to be passed along to its "customers." There are many other examples.

There is also a demand element to it--the idea that every kid has to go to college and that graduate degrees are highly valuable. In my area of graduate school (MBA), for example, each class used to have about 100-110 students. Today, with online programs, etc., UF puts out more than 1,000 MBAs a year. The online MBA program at UF was by far the single most profitable program when I was on the MBA advisory board. Honestly, as an employer, the proliferation of MBAs completely devalued the degree from a hiring standpoint, but that's another topic.
 
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Wow! This article makes it seem like the BOT completely fumbled the whole search.
Yep. Always two sides to every story. I have a feeling (admit I could be way off on this) that the BOT was seeing what they were looking for in Ono; meaning they ignored some of the issues related to the pro-Palestine protests post Oct. 7 on the Ann Arbor campus.
 
What was or is his stance on DEI? DEI should be abolished and same sex marriage included. Call it a union between two or whatever else ya want to call it but two dudes or two gals getting hitched is not a marriage. Also, someone getting a promotion just because of skin color is wrong as well. We had guys get promoted over others who were outperformed on the same exact test but promoted just because they passed a test with a score of 70 while other applicants were passed over with scores of 90.
 
Yep. Always two sides to every story. I have a feeling (admit I could be way off on this) that the BOT was seeing what they were looking for in Ono; meaning they ignored some of the issues related to the pro-Palestine protests post Oct. 7 on the Ann Arbor campus.
Think there's a good chance they feel chastened by their Sasse experience & decided to give the faculty what they wanted this time.
 
Yep. Always two sides to every story. I have a feeling (admit I could be way off on this) that the BOT was seeing what they were looking for in Ono; meaning they ignored some of the issues related to the pro-Palestine protests post Oct. 7 on the Ann Arbor campus.
This is America & folks are allowed to protest ... admittedly paid no attention to them so don't know how the school / state responded to them?

Agree with your thought that the BOT probably ignored some possible issues (?) with Ono because they loved the message of taking Michigan's President. Would have been a power move that politics derailed.



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Yep. Always two sides to every story. I have a feeling (admit I could be way off on this) that the BOT was seeing what they were looking for in Ono; meaning they ignored some of the issues related to the pro-Palestine protests post Oct. 7 on the Ann Arbor campus.
They failed to read the political climate. They went with the ole academic lefty when red states, in particular, Florida are admonishing woke policies and DEI.

The best I can think for Ono is he went along to get along. Either that, or he actually did believe and support his prior views. Either way he couldn't undue his past.
 
They failed to read the political climate. They went with the ole academic lefty when red states, in particular, Florida are admonishing woke policies and DEI.

The best I can think for Ono is he went along to get along. Either that, or he actually did believe and support his prior views. Either way he couldn't undue his past.
I agree with all of this but it seems weird that our BOT (whom SR said "our BOT will not hire a radical liberal thinking president") potentially tried to do this exact thing. Even down to the point of hiring what seems to be a leftist search firm (I definitely could be wrong here). Not saying SR is wrong, just wondering how our BOT might've gotten duped into believing this guy wasn't a lib?

The only thing I can think of is what BradDad said, they definitely didn't want another Sasse and went totally opposite and Ono was the best candidate of the applicants.
 
I agree with all of this but it seems weird that our BOT (whom SR said "our BOT will not hire a radical liberal thinking president") potentially tried to do this exact thing. Even down to the point of hiring what seems to be a leftist search firm (I definitely could be wrong here). Not saying SR is wrong, just wondering how our BOT might've gotten duped into believing this guy wasn't a lib?

The only thing I can think of is what BradDad said, they definitely didn't want another Sasse and went totally opposite and Ono was the best candidate of the applicants.
only qualifier I'd add ... "best of the applicants that the search process produced."

From the sound of it, the search process may have been (was?) stacked to exclude certain "types."

That's where I get my notion that "giving the faculty what they wanted" may have been involved here.
 
What was or is his stance on DEI? DEI should be abolished and same sex marriage included. Call it a union between two or whatever else ya want to call it but two dudes or two gals getting hitched is not a marriage. Also, someone getting a promotion just because of skin color is wrong as well. We had guys get promoted over others who were outperformed on the same exact test but promoted just because they passed a test with a score of 70 while other applicants were passed over with scores of 90.

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What you just described in not DEI, that's just a bad hiring practice.

As for marriage, why would anyone give a fuk who marries who if both are consenting adults? You may not want to marry another dude, but why would you care if someone else does? How does that have any effect on your life.

Remember folks used to say the same ish when a white person was married to someone considered non-white.

Ijs.
 
What was or is his stance on DEI? DEI should be abolished and same sex marriage included. Call it a union between two or whatever else ya want to call it but two dudes or two gals getting hitched is not a marriage. Also, someone getting a promotion just because of skin color is wrong as well. We had guys get promoted over others who were outperformed on the same exact test but promoted just because they passed a test with a score of 70 while other applicants were passed over with scores of 90.

Doesn’t it suck being the victim of prejudice? If only there were other groups of people that sympathize and know where you’re coming from. I wonder why something like DEI oversight would even be needed..

I literally got dumber reading your comment.
 
This sucks. Most politicians are hacks and cannot keep a real job. They have too much power and their uninformed lemmings who just watch their "news channels" which babble on to whatever they think their audience wants to hear rather than facts is turning our country into a joke. This applicant was a very good choice. The BOT is a group of very intelligent, thoughtful professionals with UF's best interest at heart. For the BOG to overrule this continues our sad trajectory. This goes lock step with desantis and the BOG giving that jack ass corcoran a college president job and then giving him a huge raise,

As a country, we are dividing and failing because a large number of people in BOTH parties do not look to see what is right or wrong, but what their side wants and goes with that without doing any research or actually thinking they could be wrong. I hope we get through this dark period, but what highly qualified candidate will want to put their reputation at risk knowing that the ideology of a politically appointed BOG will overrule true qualifications.
 
Unqualified political bosom buddies of DeSantis have been handed plush university president positions: Corcoran, Nunez, and Diaz. If I'm not mistaken, DEI office at UF was eliminated as was the miniscule several million $ budget attached to it in the multi-billion $ enterprise that is UF. And yet, that tiny speck on the dog's tail is driving the future of our esteemed university. Sad day for us Gators.
To the winner go the spoils. DeSantis won. He can pick whoever he wants.
 
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It always has been. I believe this is the first time ever that they failed to ratify the recomendation of the Board of Trustees. Smells to me to be political on our governors part.
What’s your point…..that only Republicans do this. Lmao
 
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What you just described in not DEI, that's just a bad hiring practice.

As for marriage, why would anyone give a fuk who marries who if both are consenting adults? You may not want to marry another dude, but why would you care if someone else does? How does that have any effect on your life.

Remember folks used to say the same ish when a white person was married to someone considered non-white.

Ijs.
Actually, it was DEI because they got the courts involved and the courts said you have to hire and promote this many people based upon their race per DOJ ...which is BS. Gov has no business saying who has to be hired.

As for marriage, I went to St Pauls Cath grade school (1st-8th) and Bishop Kenny ( played QB). Served as an alter boy and was raised that marriage evolved from religion. In school we were raised that marriage was between a guy and a girl, NOT two dudes. The LGbktqxfu community comes in and wants to change the rules and redefine marriage. I don't give a shit what they do but don't try to say marriage is anything but between a man and a woman. And, don't push it on society by having gay parades, gay month or other wacked out crap. You don't see heterosexual parades with flags flying. You don't see heterosexual week or month. Ask Budweiser how it worked out for them.
 
Doesn’t it suck being the victim of prejudice? If only there were other groups of people that sympathize and know where you’re coming from. I wonder why something like DEI oversight would even be needed..

I literally got dumber reading your comment.
Yea, there is another group and the person heading it up happens to be Donald Trump. Maybe you heard of him. He is putting a stop to all DEI hires. When a supreme court justice ( Ketanji Brown Jackson) was asked to define a woman and she responds by saying "I cant" then ya know she was the wrong appointee. Just a DEI consequence. I'm glad I could help your intelligence.
 
Doesn’t it suck being the victim of prejudice? If only there were other groups of people that sympathize and know where you’re coming from. I wonder why something like DEI oversight would even be needed..

I literally got dumber reading your comment.
so the answer to past discrimination is discrimination in favor of past victims ... and hope we don't "overshoot" with that (or else we'll continue doing this forever).

The sneering tone does you no credit.
 
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It’s also being reported that someone on the BOG wanted the role of president and, when he was passed over, became a no vote for Ono. I believe this came out last week during a meeting following the vote. True or not? Idk.
It's been reported that Renner attempted to speak to Hossieni about his interest in the position...Hossieni turned him away. Hossieni has made comments about this too.
 
so the answer to past discrimination is discrimination in favor of past victims ... and hope we don't "overshoot" with that (or else we'll continue doing this forever).

The sneering tone does you no credit.
So our current trajectory is the answer?

Yes, I believe the answer is protections for those that need it due to generations of systemic oppression.

Did you see how the OP responded to my comment? Good god what an absolute fool. If you want to align yourself with that perspective, I’m also sorry for you.
 
So our current trajectory is the answer?

Yes, I believe the answer is protections for those that need it due to generations of systemic oppression.

Did you see how the OP responded to my comment? Good god what an absolute fool. If you want to align yourself with that perspective, I’m also sorry for you.
You must think over half the country that voted to do away with DEI via Trump are fools as well. Would you want the most qualified surgeon cutting on you or a guy that relied on DEI to perform a surgery? Positions should be awarded to the most qualified regardless of race or color. Just because someone is of a certain race, color or gender shouldn't "entitle" them to squat. Biden ignored more qualified candidates and Trump is changing it. Systemic oppression is a blanket statement used by those who want to keep things like entitlement programs and voting without an ID in play. You need an ID to rent a car, get a house, take out a student loan. Why wouldn't an ID be needed to prove your a us citizen to vote? It's the Al Sharptons' and Jessie Jackson's of the world favorite term. It makes them money, keeps them in the spot light and gives them power over people who buy into it such as yourself. There is opportunity for everyone if one is willing to put in the effort and not depend on the government for handouts paid for by tax payers. Thank goodness we don't have a DEI president at UF!!!
 
So our current trajectory is the answer?

Yes, I believe the answer is protections for those that need it due to generations of systemic oppression.

Did you see how the OP responded to my comment? Good god what an absolute fool. If you want to align yourself with that perspective, I’m also sorry for you.
Your arrogance does you no credit and your solution guarantees we'll stay at each other's throats for generations to come. Funny thing ... people used to think "content of character, not color of skin" should be the goal. Now, it's all tribes and revenge.
 
So our current trajectory is the answer?

Yes, I believe the answer is protections for those that need it due to generations of systemic oppression.

Did you see how the OP responded to my comment? Good god what an absolute fool. If you want to align yourself with that perspective, I’m also sorry for you.
Right, like all those Asian oppressors that must now be systematically discriminated against.
 
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You must think over half the country that voted to do away with DEI via Trump are fools as well. Would you want the most qualified surgeon cutting on you or a guy that relied on DEI to perform a surgery? Positions should be awarded to the most qualified regardless of race or color. Just because someone is of a certain race, color or gender shouldn't "entitle" them to squat. Biden ignored more qualified candidates and Trump is changing it. Systemic oppression is a blanket statement used by those who want to keep things like entitlement programs and voting without an ID in play. You need an ID to rent a car, get a house, take out a student loan. Why wouldn't an ID be needed to prove your a us citizen to vote? It's the Al Sharptons' and Jessie Jackson's of the world favorite term. It makes them money, keeps them in the spot light and gives them power over people who buy into it such as yourself. There is opportunity for everyone if one is willing to put in the effort and not depend on the government for handouts paid for by tax payers. Thank goodness we don't have a DEI president at UF!!!

DEI isn’t about handing out jobs based on race, it’s about removing barriers that have kept qualified people from even getting a fair shot. Systemic oppression isn’t some catchphrase, despite how some people may use it (including the people you mentioned, but it’s a real, documented pattern across housing, education, and employment. For instance, studies have shown that identical résumés get significantly different responses depending on whether the name at the top sounds white or black. Bob get hired and Marquis does not. That’s not meritocracy, that’s bias. We all have them, but we have recognize them. It’s about evening the playing field for opportunities, not for outcomes.

Voter ID laws sound simple, but they disproportionately impact lower-income and minority voters, many of whom don’t have easy access to IDs due to cost, time, or distance from issuing offices. Those same people aren’t renting cars, buying houses, or any of the other activities you mentioned either. But since voter fraud is statistically negligible (see the research by the historical liberal Heritage Foundation), these laws solve a problem that doesn’t exist while making it harder for certain Americans to vote. That’s not about integrity and these laws never have been.

And if we’re talking qualifications, let’s not forget Trump’s record: he handed out top jobs to Fox News personalities like Pete Hegseth and Larry Kudlow, and appointed Kash Patel, who had no meaningful intel experience, to help oversee national security. He chose billionaires like Betsy DeVos, whose only connection to public education was trying to dismantle it, or Jared Kushner, whose biggest asset was marrying the boss’s daughter. Or Dr. Oz, the daytime TV snake oil guy he backed for Senate. If you think that’s “putting the most qualified people in place,” we must be using very different definitions of qualified. But sure, let’s clutch our pearls over someone getting hired after graduating Harvard or Yale with top marks because they also happen to be Black or female.
 
DEI isn’t about handing out jobs based on race, it’s about removing barriers that have kept qualified people from even getting a fair shot. Systemic oppression isn’t some catchphrase, despite how some people may use it (including the people you mentioned, but it’s a real, documented pattern across housing, education, and employment. For instance, studies have shown that identical résumés get significantly different responses depending on whether the name at the top sounds white or black. Bob get hired and Marquis does not. That’s not meritocracy, that’s bias. We all have them, but we have recognize them. It’s about evening the playing field for opportunities, not for outcomes.

Voter ID laws sound simple, but they disproportionately impact lower-income and minority voters, many of whom don’t have easy access to IDs due to cost, time, or distance from issuing offices. Those same people aren’t renting cars, buying houses, or any of the other activities you mentioned either. But since voter fraud is statistically negligible (see the research by the historical liberal Heritage Foundation), these laws solve a problem that doesn’t exist while making it harder for certain Americans to vote. That’s not about integrity and these laws never have been.

And if we’re talking qualifications, let’s not forget Trump’s record: he handed out top jobs to Fox News personalities like Pete Hegseth and Larry Kudlow, and appointed Kash Patel, who had no meaningful intel experience, to help oversee national security. He chose billionaires like Betsy DeVos, whose only connection to public education was trying to dismantle it, or Jared Kushner, whose biggest asset was marrying the boss’s daughter. Or Dr. Oz, the daytime TV snake oil guy he backed for Senate. If you think that’s “putting the most qualified people in place,” we must be using very different definitions of qualified. But sure, let’s clutch our pearls over someone getting hired after graduating Harvard or Yale with top marks because they also happen to be Black or female.
I see you have drank the Kool-aid.
 
Chief - Come on man. Just today another study came out showing that women are paid 85% of their male counterparts doing the same job and at the same level. DEI is not a bad thing and those that want to keep things how they were in the '50's have labeled it woke. There is no doubt that DEI threatens the built in system that has favored white males since our countries beginning. I can say this as a 60 year old white male who has worked in the corporate world most his life.

It is also a fact that many young men are pissed that women are now working more than in the past and have increased competition to jobs that once were pretty much given to white males.

Our country has become very diversified. DEI was a movement to try and LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD, not just give positions to people who were not white males. If you have ever sat in on an interview panel, especially prior to 5-10 years ago, the great majority of those panels were white males. Study after study shows that interviewers tend to hire those who look like them.

Look, we all will agree that merit should win out at the end of the day. What those who hate DEI will not admit is that white males always had the upper hand and it sometimes resulted in giving the job to the person who may not have been the most qualified.

I agree that rainbow parades and other acts that shove DEI down our throats actually worked against this movement. I also believe the most qualified person should get the job. That was the intent of DEI, but like any movement, it was not perfect, it probably went overboard and those who it threatened will fight back.
 
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