Same thing happened when obama used the NSA to spy on Trump. Admiral Mike Rogers detected the spying, realized there was no basis for it other than obama targeting a political opponent, and notified Trump.
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No, it didn't just happen with the Trump administration. But it DID just happen with the obama administration.
When Trump won in 2016, obama used the NSA to spy on Trump during the transition. He had no basis for doing so, other than Trump was a political opponent that he wanted to get dirt on. Admiral Mike Rogers, head of the NSA, detected the spying, saw it had no merit, and informed Pres Trump, who left Trump Tower and went to Florida.
That's what a patriot does.
If Tucker is telling the truth, and he has an impeccable track record for doing so (unlike certain posters here), then Hiden is doing the same thing that obama did. He is weaponizing the NSA to spy on his political opponents.
Pres Trump did not do that. Pres Trump asked Apple to give them data on the phones of two democrats: Adam Schitt and Eric Fartwelll. The difference is, Trump had an actual reason to be checking on these two. First, there was suspicion that Schitt was leaking classified intel to the press AND meeting with our enemies to discuss this information. And with Fartwell, we literally had proof of him sleeping with Chinese spies.
Funny thing is, when obama was busted spying on Trump, brennan's spin was 'oh we had to spy on him, to protect him from Russia', Funny how that gaslighting doesn't work for you with Schitt and Russia and Fartwell and China, does it?
Bottom line, @kalimgoodman hates Tucker like all dems do cause Tucker tells the truth about his party's corruption. So he is fine with the spying. Just like he hates Trump so he was fine with his boy obama spying on Trump.
There not apple to oranges. You trying to make them that for your narrative. Since you want to talk about independence so much. This is exactly what an independent person would say. Both parties do it, so what's the fuss? An independent wouldn't take sides. I never took sides. You're entire argument in regards to this is that I'm not an independent because I said Trump did it too? So you think an independent would say it's only bad if Biden does it? Like what?
I already know that you don't understand other people's views, other then Trumps but man it's crazy at times.
Which you didn't read. You dems never read the links you provide here. You read a headline, it tells you what you want to hear, and you run with it.
Obama and Hiden both used the NSA to spy on their political opponents.
Trump asked Apple to help them secure communications from democrats who were suspected of having leaked classified intel to our enemies.
To try to spin that Trump did the same thing Hiden and your boy obama did is the height of gaslighting, even for you.
Bingo. If Trump had really done what obama and Hiden did, he would have been impeached immediately. And it would have been justified.
Just like obama should have been impeached for spying on his political opponent. Just like Hiden should be impeached.
Both Schitt and Fartwell were suspected of leaking classified intel to our enemies. Fartwell was LITERALLY sleeping with China.
Trump had every right, had every RESPONSIBILITY to check into it. And even then, he followed the law.
Unlike obama and Hiden, that just started spying. That would have been bad enough, but the kicker is, they had no reason to spy on Trump and no reason to spy on Tucker.
Just another instance of the dems here justifying their shitty behavior.
And this is what you always do.
You take the dems' shitty behavior, and try to spin that the pubs are just as bad, so let's don't talk about either.
Obama is the one that weaponized the NSA to spy on a political opponent.
Trump didn't do that.
Hiden is the one that's accused of weaponizing the NSA to spy on a journalist.
Trump didn't do that.
Decent people don't act like you act. There's just no other way to say it.
@jfegaly is right, this truly is an apples to oranges comparison.
Obama and Hiden weaponized the NSA to go after their political opponents. They had no basis for doing so.
Trump contacted Apple for help in securing communications from two democrats after BOTH were suspected of leaking classified intel to our countries enemies.
Trump is the only person in this affair who acted in the nation's best interests.
Every dem, obama, Hiden, Schitt and Fartwell, all put this country at risk.
A decent person would hail Trump as a hero, and demand that the dems be held accountable.
@kalimgoodman wants to do the precise opposite. That tells you all you need to know.
So is your issue that it's being done or that the democrats do it more?
You sound like a guy that cheated on his wife, you find out your wife cheated too and all you do is make excuses as to you had a real reason and her cheating was worse. To me, I just see 2 cheaters.
Bingo. You always try to spin the the republicans are just as bad as the dems, so let's not talk about either.
Actually it's not spinning, it's outright lying.
I will say this: If Trump had actually done what obama did do and what Hiden is accused of doing, he absolutely should have been impeached. See how easy it is to hold your party to a standard?
To shut them up as we’re hearing about Tucker and how Obama did or as an investigation into classified leaks? I applaud your efforts to protect all things Democrat, your party loyalties will never be in question.
The Democrats have a really bad habit of weaponizing branches of govt against their political enemies when in power. It’s a common leftist tactic.
In recent history you came up with one potential case of phone records from the other side (and that’s arguable).
Your little analogy aside, it’s not even comparable between the two parties. But you believe whatever you want to.
We don't know the reasons but you're going to believe whatever Tucker says. I'm just pointing out both sides. Obama was criticized by the right for going after "leakers". I don't get why some of you get mad that the Republicans are just like the democrats. Same shit, different toilet.
Before Trump’s crackdown on leaks, Obama went after 10 leakers, journalists
President Donald Trump’s crackdown on government leaks reached new heights Friday when Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced aggressive investigations by the Justice Department while raisi…
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As in entertainment with facts. If u think otherwise please list off his false stories.
The dems set the same trap for us, and we always fall for it.
They start out by telling the lie (Trump did the same thing obama and Hiden did), then keep repeating the lie until we just get tired of arguing with them, and the lie takes hold.
No! Never stop calling them out as liars. See now we're conceding 'it's not even comparable between the two parties', as if the premise of @kalimgoodman's lie has merit.
Again, the dems ALWAYS do this, and we ALWAYS let them get away with it.
Never move on. Never stop calling them out as the lying POS that they are.
No, obama was criticized for spying on his political opponent, Donald Trump. Donald Trump didn't do that.We don't know the reasons but you're going to believe whatever Tucker says. I'm just pointing out both sides. Obama was criticized by the right for going after "leakers". I don't get why some of you get mad that the Republicans are just like the democrats. Same shit, different toilet.
Before Trump’s crackdown on leaks, Obama went after 10 leakers, journalists
President Donald Trump’s crackdown on government leaks reached new heights Friday when Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced aggressive investigations by the Justice Department while raisi…
And many suspect obama spied on Ted Cruz as well. Cruz even asked this question during a recent congressional hearing, if obama had spied on any other presidential candidates besides Donald Trump.
The mere asking of the question suggests Cruz has found out he was spied on by obama.
But you are fine with the spying, cause it was your boy obama doing it. He should have been impeached at minimum. Maybe sent to jail.
See again, the dems keep repeating the same lie over and over again, hoping eventually we will move on.
obama spied on his political opponents trying to find dirt on them.
Trump asked Apple to give him communications of two dems who were suspected of leaking classified intel to our enemies.
Donald Trump is a hero for doing what he did. obama is the precise opposite for what he did.
This is the key.
Obama admin weaponized the IRS to shut down oppo PAC fundraising. The Dems used the FBI, via lies to FISA courts, to spy on a campaign in an impeachment attempt. They used leaks as evidence in another impeachment attempt, only to have Trump release the entire transcript (an almost unheard of tactic). If you think the Brennan CIA was squeaky clean I have some oceanside property in AZ for you.
The Trump admin was trying to figure out where leaks were coming from so they could operate like most other administrations had in the past. A non-politician, surrounded by swamp rats that didn't want an outsider in the WH was struggling to figure out who to trust.
One was trying to lead the country the other trying to stay in power by any means necessary. Motive matters.
Kalim, we (most of us) are repubs or support repubs. We may not like or agree with everything they do, or say, but we don't go out of our way to start threads to bash them. BUT WE do want to and enjoy bashing our political oppentents. I don't beleive anyone on here has said that the Trump Admin spying was OK.
Again, you're playing @kalimgoodman's game.
Trump didn't spy. He asked Apple to give him information on the communications of two democrats who were suspected of leaking classified information to our enemies.
obama is the one who spied. He weaponized the NSA and FISA process to spy on a political opponent. Maybe two, we don't know for sure about Ted Cruz.
Never ever NEVER let the liars dictate the conversation.
@kalimgoodman is a liar. Never forget that.
Kalim is just doing what radicals do. Trying to reframe the discussion about apples, when it’s about oranges. He is just a bad lib. He is trying to be Wolf in sheep clothes. Problem is, he is easily identifiable
That's fair and completely understandable. I'm just saying that some of you guys should recognize that and understand that this is a right wing eco chamber. So I can mostly criticize the right because that's what's around. If this was a left wing eco chamber, I'll do the same.
Good grief the BS is thick. You’re a lib. Simple as that. Sad part is you got some good hearted pubs indulging your schtick.
I truly hope one day you would grow up but you always disappoint me. It's difficult to have a conversation when you think the right is never wrong. I'm saying they both are wrong but you'll find a way to justify your stance. Whatever
See? We accepted the liars original premise, now we will spend the rest of the thread, page after page, arguing his lie, and defending why what Trump did wasn't as bad as what obama did.
We fall for it
Every.
Single.
Time.
He wanted to get the attention off of Hiden's spying, so he lied and said Trump did the same thing. Now the narrative is 'you guys want to call out dems when you do the same thing'.
So we waste time arguing the lie, instead of arguing the facts.
obama weaponized the NSA and FISA process to spy on a political opponent.
Trump asked Apple to help him investigate whether or not two democrats were leaking classified intel to our enemies.
Donald Trump is a hero. obama is not.
Never let the liars set the discussion. Always always ALWAYS call them out as liars, and stick to the facts.
obama spied. He lied. He should be held accountable.
So motive/reasoning doesn't matter at all?
edit: still waiting on the example of Trump "going after" CNN reporters
That's because you are a liar telling lies.
You ask him to grow up, but this all started cause you weren't mature enough to hold your party accountable for spying on its political opponents.
So you invented a lie that Trump did the same thing.
Trump is a hero. obama is not. Neither is Hiden.
Neither are you.
Facts matter. Obama weaponized the NSA and FISA process to spy on Americans.
Trump worked with Apple to investigate credible intelligence that two democrats were leaking classified intel to our enemies.
Donald Trump is a hero. obama and Hiden are not.
Neither is @kalimgoodman. Never let the liars set the discussion.
Obama called James Rosen a criminal co-conspirator and never charged him. Your problem is you keep defending shitty Democrat actions by downplaying or equating situations that are not the same. And yes, there are too many way Republicans are just like Democrats that I’m sure we can agree on but shutting down dissent and using big brother ops so far isn’t one of them. And it will continue to stay the same when media figures and Democrats like you keep defending this stuff. Your depth of wanting to discuss this stuff is insanely shallow, you’re misusing the word “spy” in order to keep the conversation at a level that you can say “well both sides do it.” This is the “well everyone cheats in college football” argument except you’re trying to compare buying kid a cheeseburger and giving him six figures in cash.We don't know the reasons but you're going to believe whatever Tucker says. I'm just pointing out both sides. Obama was criticized by the right for going after "leakers". I don't get why some of you get mad that the Republicans are just like the democrats. Same shit, different toilet.
Before Trump’s crackdown on leaks, Obama went after 10 leakers, journalists
President Donald Trump’s crackdown on government leaks reached new heights Friday when Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced aggressive investigations by the Justice Department while raisi…
Again, we need to be incredibly clear on what Trump did versus what obama did and what Hiden is accused of doing.
Hiden is accused of spying on Tucker to try to shut him up.
Obama DID use the NSA to spy on Donald Trump. He had no reason to do so, in fact when the head of the NSA found out the NSA was being used to spy on Trump, the head of the NSA contacted Trump, not obama. Which tells us he didn't trust obama to do the right thing.
Now, let's turn to Trump and what he did, because it seems in an effort to appease the liar, some of us are willing to concede that what Trump did wasn't as bad as what obama and Hiden did.
Obama and Hiden spied on innocent people. Remember that.
President Trump, asked Apple to help him investigate credible intel he had that Adam Schitt and Eric Fartwell were leaking classified information to our enemies.
Obama obviously was completely in the wrong and likely should be in jail.
I can't see where Trump did anything wrong. If so, what was it?
EXACTLY! It’s what radicals do, He is a BS artist that always tries ti reframe the topic instead if discussing THE topic.
Saw this last night on YouTube.
The AZ attorney General tells me Biden wants AZ's ongoing forensic audit stopped immediately. Is the AG lying? If the AG is telling the truth, why would Beijing Biden want the audit stopped? Didn't we just have an honest election, even though Biden got an all time record number of votes AFTER Election Day in was it 5 states?
The AZ attorney General tells me Biden wants AZ's ongoing forensic audit stopped immediately. Is the AG lying? If the AG is telling the truth, why would Beijing Biden want the audit stopped? Didn't we just have an honest election, even though Biden got an all time record number of votes AFTER Election Day in was it 5 states?
No one here should engage @kalimgoodman further on this topic until @kalimgoodman can admit that:
1 - What Donald Trump did makes him a hero
2 - What obaam did was wrong and un-American
Until he can admit to these simple facts, no one here should engage him further or continue to entertain his lies as being credible.
On any thread kalim engages in you can basically count on the reframe. It’s what he does. He never addresses the issue and instead looks for a lib talking point. It’s the thing Independunces are made of.
No you're changing the words to feel better about the situation. So you are saying spy when democrats do it but investigating leaks when republicans do it. Its all using the government powers to go after people privacy. You can pick any word you want but to me its all the same. Trump has called for reporters to be locked up too and they never got charged (spin that too). Trump went after "leakers", yet no one was charged and nothing was found, did they get bad intel? or was it an attempt to intimidate? because i vividly remember you guys saying the Russia probe was bad and based off bad intel and every one should be charged that used that intel to get warrants or probes. SO trump administration shouldn't be charged for using bad intel to "investigate" leaks?
I will always point out hypocrisy or both sides when feasible. The best part is, i am not defending the libs, i am calling them out too. So telling me Biden or Obama was bad, does nothing because I AGREE! I am just letting you guys know the god Trump was bad TOO.
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