Did you miss Ron DeSantis proactively banning covid passports for Florida? Some of you guys live in a bubble, I swear. 🤣
Trump Urges Americans to Get COVID-19 Vaccine
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Did you miss Ron DeSantis proactively banning covid passports for Florida? Some of you guys live in a bubble, I swear. 🤣
It was a political move. It was based on nothing but "internet chatter". Seems that he fooled you 😬😂
White House Says It's Not in Favor of Vaccine Passports
During her briefing, White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki is asked about the possibility of the federal government supporting vaccine passports. "The government is not now, nor will we be supporting a system that requires Americans to carry a credential," Psaki says. This comes as private...
White House rules out involvement in ‘vaccine passports’
White House press secretary Jen Psaki on Tuesday ruled out the Biden administration playing any role in a “vaccine passport” system as Republican governors in particular balk …
thehill.com
Uh huh......... one always just makes a preemptive strike out of thin air, for no reason.It was a political move. It was based on nothing but "internet chatter". Seems that he fooled you 😬😂
White House Says It's Not in Favor of Vaccine Passports
During her briefing, White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki is asked about the possibility of the federal government supporting vaccine passports. "The government is not now, nor will we be supporting a system that requires Americans to carry a credential," Psaki says. This comes as private...www.c-span.org
White House rules out involvement in ‘vaccine passports’
White House press secretary Jen Psaki on Tuesday ruled out the Biden administration playing any role in a “vaccine passport” system as Republican governors in particular balk …
Get out much?🤣
Around the country, businesses, schools and politicians are considering “vaccine passports” — digital proof of vaccination against the coronavirus — as a path to reviving the economy and getting Americans back to work and play. Businesses especially fear that too many customers will stay away unless they can be assured that the other patrons have been inoculated.
Likely Legal, ‘Vaccine Passports’ Emerge as the Next Coronavirus Divide (Published 2021)
Businesses and universities want fast, easy ways to see if students and customers are vaccinated, but conservative politicians have turned “vaccine passports” into a cultural flash point.
Sorry man but you got played. It was never a thing with the Biden administration. The Republicans just tried to make it a thing to rally up the base. This is what Trump would call fake news. Did businesses discuss it? Yes but not the Biden administration.Uh huh......... one always just makes a preemptive strike out of thin air, for no reason.
Get out much?🤣
Around the country, businesses, schools and politicians are considering “vaccine passports” — digital proof of vaccination against the coronavirus — as a path to reviving the economy and getting Americans back to work and play. Businesses especially fear that too many customers will stay away unless they can be assured that the other patrons have been inoculated.
Likely Legal, ‘Vaccine Passports’ Emerge as the Next Coronavirus Divide (Published 2021)
Businesses and universities want fast, easy ways to see if students and customers are vaccinated, but conservative politicians have turned “vaccine passports” into a cultural flash point.www.nytimes.com
Biden administration helping develop standards to prove vaccination
The Biden administration is working on creating a set of standards for people to prove they've been vaccinated against Covid-19, according to an administration official.
www.cnn.com
“The Biden administration is working on creating a set of standards for people to prove they've been vaccinated against Covid-19, according to an administration official.”
Why would the White House be helping the private sector develop vaccination proof standards but also not want to federally mandate it? Maybe it’s because they know such a federal mandate wouldn’t stand up to the Constitution so the next best thing is drive the standards for the private sector so they can avoid getting embarrassed by SCOTUS.
Another case of intellectual dishonesty on full display.
That HIPPA law........pesky scoundrel. 🤣Biden administration helping develop standards to prove vaccination
The Biden administration is working on creating a set of standards for people to prove they've been vaccinated against Covid-19, according to an administration official.
“The Biden administration is working on creating a set of standards for people to prove they've been vaccinated against Covid-19, according to an administration official.”
Why would the White House be helping the private sector develop vaccination proof standards but also not want to federally mandate it? Maybe it’s because they know such a federal mandate wouldn’t stand up to the Constitution so the next best thing is drive the standards for the private sector so they can avoid getting embarrassed by SCOTUS.
Another case of intellectual dishonesty on full display.
I know and it's weird how the right wing made it a thing but democrats isn't even talking about it. It's just them.
It's typical "right wing nut job talk" coming from left wing sources. NYT, and CNN. Goodness. BS-Cuck, and Kalimbadlib.
Agree to disagree. The only way it's different, especially in this example where it was rushed to market, is that it is MORE critical. IOW's, the stakes are higher.
I guess I don't follow.
I'm not slamming the vaccine. I'm not even being critical of it. In fact I have referred to its development as a miracle. I was doubtful that it could be done when they announced that they would do it.
However, that doesn't discount the concern. A decision like this, imho, should be measured. What will be gained vs what will be risked. In this case, in my circumstance, I believe that the stronger play is to wait.
If I were sick, or even just less healthy, or if I were elderly, the calculus would change.
So I'm not assigning blame on anyone. I'm not pretending Trump isn't to blame because, frankly, there is no blame to assign.
PS...I think you were reflecting in your thought process here. You are assuming that I/we are doing what you have been doing.
WTF? No...why would I?
If someone knew there were issues and they suppressed those concerns, I'd "blame" that guy.
These two sentences, especially since they were in the same paragraph, baffle the hell out of me.
Agree, it's fantastic.
That doesn't mean that I'm super excited to take a vaccine that was made in record time especially considering the nature of this vaccine and x2 considering my probability of surviving the virus...which I did ftr.
You had me until this part.
So if I don't take the experimental, and as yet unapproved, vaccine and I get sick, I'm on the hook despite the fact that I pay my insurance premiums? That's F'd up.
So how about this...if you take the experimental and unapproved vaccine and it F's you up, you are screwed. Do not pass Go and it doesn't matter if you pay your insurance premiums.
Sound fair? Yea...not to me either. F your social pressure. My concerns are reasonable.
Research Science and being about science isn't about odds but since you are one, you would know? I don't get the need to be expert on everything.
I'll say this again, if you don't know then ask or don't comment at all.
And it's not our responsibility to pay for your care if you have issues with the vaccine. You chose to take an experimental and unapproved vaccine. That was your choice...and apparently it's not our responsibility to help you pay for that choice if things don't go as you hoped.
Cool...then shut up about law enforcement. Your opinion apparently doesn't count.
You've never voiced an opinion on the issues of law enforcement where black people were killed by police...since Michael Brown?
Sorry friend, I'm calling bullsh!t. But apparently, according to you, you were unqualified to comment...so you shouldn't have.
And btw, despite the fact that I'm not in the medical field or in medical research, the idea that odds and percentages don't come into play sounds like utter balderdash.
I'm not an English teacher but F it....I said balderdash anyway.
I'm not an English teacher but F it....I said balderdash anyway.
I truly haven't. I got on Lebron for telling cops how to do their job. Why do think I have?
Not saying you can't have an opinion, but to say that my statement doesn't make sense because you assume that's apart of my job is where you lost me. Odds does not factor in what I do. It's more in the medical field.
You and I have had this conversation. So yes you have. I didn't mind. You are capable of having an opinion even if you aren't an expert in my field.
I truly don't remember but i tend to stay out of it because I don't think it's fair to tell police what they should've done because ill never be in that situation to truly understand.
Rates were dropping before most of those people were vaccinated.
And the poor quality care and longer wait times are only gonna get worse the more government controls American healthcare. Make no mistake about it, government is the biggest Insurance payer on the market and that gives them tremendous control over healthcare.It's sad that she got the run around for months, and now she's about to go insane with the spasms. To make it worse, she finally gets it confirmed, and has to wait two more weeks to get scheduled in for the injection.
You could not pay me to be a primary care doctor right now. They have to see 40 patients a day Just to make a profit, that means I get to spend about five minutes with you. In that scenario Dr. Google is better.
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It was given emergency use authorization by the FDA. It was a choice and one directly supported by science and the government. It was not some exotic, experimental therapy or vaccine.
Unfortunately, no. There were huge spikes in the fall and winter.
If you were to say that Masks were marginally, to not effective, that is a persuasive argument. Fauci, per his emails (despite his comments otherwise), says otherwise.
There are reasons every country is begging us for vaccines - it's because they work. They reduce cases, hospitalizations, lives, help us open up the economy and get us off this astronomical federal spending that happened in 2020 and 2021.
My only caveat here is that if you want for it to get out of Emergency Use Authorization (another 6 months or so), then I think you are overly cautious, but I can respect that choice. After the EUA is lifted and you choose not to get vaccinated, then why should society pay for it? I have the same view on lots of other choice driven behavior (smoking, etc.).
There is of course a middle ground, and the provocative point that I am making is that people often want the freedoms without the accountability. It happens on all points of the political spectrum - from children out of wedlock to this discussion.
Kalim - I can see some of the nuance here. Rogan said the same. If you think that your risk is very low (read: young, no underlying health conditions, do not live in a mixed health household) and your concern on long term effects is high, then waiting for the EAU to be secured, is a conservative (not politically, per se) approach, but a rational one.
Per other note, this is a reasonable view point until the full authorization is granted. (another 6 months or so)
Anthrax vaccine says hello. EUA says hello. Not fully approved by FDA says hello. The experiment is continuing on you, says hello. Finally, your hypocrisy says hello
In a related example, I have a sister-in-law, a scientist who is also reluctant. She believed she had Covid-19 earlier but admitted that she remiss in not getting tested.
She then got a protein test and it confirmed that she has the anti-bodies in her system. Thus, she is going to wait until the full authorization is given but is being prudent in that she already has the protections (confirmed via testing) given the prior Covid-19 exposure.
I think she is being conservative, but hers is a rational approach.
She then got a protein test and it confirmed that she has the anti-bodies in her system. Thus, she is going to wait until the full authorization is given but is being prudent in that she already has the protections (confirmed via testing) given the prior Covid-19 exposure.
I think she is being conservative, but hers is a rational approach.
You want others to pay for medical bills if they get covid and haven’t been vaccinated, but if you get a side effect from taking an experimental vax....where my insurance.
That's fair. The difference is that the experimental vax has been recommended from every level of Government including two HHS administrations. Once it passes EUA, then you are making a decision against the evidence (which is never perfect).
Agree its never perfect even though some walk around beating their drum....follow the science, follow the science, and trust the government. Sorry, but our Government has a long history of showing us why we shouldn’t trust them.
Anthrax vax for soldiers was supposed to be safe. It wasn’t.
Then....
Tucker Carlson: US government officials helped China cover up COVID origins
'Tucker Carlson Tonight' host examines how U.S. government officials helped the Chinese government cover up the origins of COVID.
Pardon me?
It's the first ever of its kind. It was an amazing accomplishment. There are risks. Pretending otherwise is the height of artifice and chicanery.
We do not know what we don't know. Penalizing people for making strategic decisions on the vaccine is foolhardy and immoral.
That's a double edged sword. If I should be penalized for not taking it, using your logic, you should be penalized for taking an equal yet opposite risk.
That's lunacy. We're both accountable, no?
When it is approved, and if it isn't done so out of political expedience, I will absolutely reconsider the vaccine. I want it to work. I want the vaccine to be viable. I'm making a measured decision here, just like I hope you have...and I'm sure you did.
