Trump indicted!!! Again!!!!
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The enemy of my enemies, is who I am voting for.
Is it possible for a court to convict a sitting President? I don't know. I do think he can pardon himself of federal charges. The Senate can convict of impeachment but not sure this has precedence. Also, this is why Bragg is hell bent to get state charges against Trump, weak sauce that his case is.
The Supreme Court and the president’s pardon power - SCOTUSblog
Correction appended. The Constitution gives the president the power “to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of impeachment.” In the days before Christmas, President Donald Trump used this power to pardon or commute the sentences of over 40 people, i
www.scotusblog.com
I’ll say this Nav ole Trump didn’t need a magazine when dropping a dump ole boy had plenty of reading material 😂
It says he can't. Congress can pardon him or he can have the vice president be acting president and pardon him.The Supreme Court and the president’s pardon power - SCOTUSblog
Correction appended. The Constitution gives the president the power “to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of impeachment.” In the days before Christmas, President Donald Trump used this power to pardon or commute the sentences of over 40 people, i
Shoot man let me add to the list
If your on the Florida Grand Jury Trumps A$$ is grass 😂😂👍
Ohh that comic book I saw it decided to read spider man much more intriguingCaption: Trump's dossier on the Deep State.😂
You skip over this part?
“The Supreme Court has made clear that, subject to the exception for impeachment, the president’s power to grant pardons is “unlimited,” with virtually no oversight or limiting role for Congress”
It gave cases for both. The part you are referencing was quoting an AG from 50 years ago.
The whole point here is it would end up in the Supreme court. You were acting like it’s not possible, but a quick internet search would show you cases for both arguments to be made.
I do find it odd that the article gave you about 4 or 5 examples of court cases that would lean towards a presidents authority to pardon himself, and gave 1 example of an ACTING Assistant AG, that said no….and that’s what you went with.
Sounds similar to his powers to declassify documents.
That's wishful thinking. There is no way in hell that's happening.
Blame Nixon, not me.
I don't think Nixon was formally charged with anything, just from memory. I think Ford's pardon was a preemptive strike against the savages?
You cant preemptively pardon someone. You can pardon them anytime after they've been indicted before or after criminal proceedings.
I talked to BONG about five minutes ago and he said the same thing I did. 5 seconds after there's a paper trail on Biden magically more Trump shenanigans. Deep state gonna deep state.
Ummm. In case you haven’t noticed, the powers that be are doing much worse things today than Nixon ever did. We aren’t in Kansas anymore Toto.
Again, if Trump went this route, it would end up in the Supreme court.
Just like everything else with the courts, both sides of the argument can be made. Sorry you don’t like that.
I think Ford did with Nixon but I might have the specifics wrong. Will take a look.
So the party that stole two elections, weaponized the FBI and literally has a different set of laws for themselves doesn't know definitively whether the President can pardon himself before they try this shit?
To what end sir?
The trial can't conclude before the election. I don't think it can start before the election.
As your favorite inbred points out, we haven't secured the election so this doesn't keep him out so he doesn't become president because they cheat again.
So right now this banana republic bullshit has the base fired up and even libertarian slackers like me are annoyed. My 80 year old lifelong democrat mother finds this suspicious.
If they're trying to keep him from running EVER, then if he wins somehow he pardons himself before the trial even starts. And what does he do? Retaliate. Because he gets down like that.
That makes no sense. I would live to believe that I just don't like the answer. In actuality they have an ace in the hole or they know something we don't.
I'm not saying it's impossible or it won't go all the way to scotus but let's just not only is the glass half full, but the liquid in the glass is piss.
Bro. We agree most of the time but read this.
President Gerald Ford believed he did the right thing when in 1974 he pardoned his predecessor, Richard Nixon, of any criminality connected to the cover-up of the Watergate scandal that had forced Nixon to be the first (and to date, only) president to resign from office.
Like many Americans at the time, I was furious at Ford for preempting what surely would have been an indictment for obstruction of justice and related crimes, and I was convinced there had been some secret deal to let Nixon get away with crimes that sent others in his administration to prison. Nixon should have been prosecuted, not pardoned.
This was my first Google stab. Nixon was never indicted or charged.
Gerald Ford’s Pardon of Nixon Is Why Donald Trump Can Still Run for President
President Ford thought he was ending “America’s long national nightmare” by letting Tricky Dick off the hook. But he planted the seed for our current national nightmare.
www.thedailybeast.com
Yep it sounds like its settled that a POTUS can give a pardon for any possible federal crime already commited prior to the pardon. I dont think a self pardon of a POTUS has ever been legally tested. Biden is probably a good candidate for that to be tested.
"In Ex parte Garland, which involved President Andrew Johnson’s pardon of a lawyer who had served in the legislature of the Confederacy, the court indicated that the president’s pardon power covers all federal offenses. The president can issue a pardon at any point after a crime is committed and before, during or after criminal proceedings have taken place. The president cannot, however, pardon someone for future crimes. A pardon covers both the offender’s conviction for the crime and the sentence for that crime."Bro. We agree most of the time but read this.
President Gerald Ford believed he did the right thing when in 1974 he pardoned his predecessor, Richard Nixon, of any criminality connected to the cover-up of the Watergate scandal that had forced Nixon to be the first (and to date, only) president to resign from office.
Like many Americans at the time, I was furious at Ford for preempting what surely would have been an indictment for obstruction of justice and related crimes, and I was convinced there had been some secret deal to let Nixon get away with crimes that sent others in his administration to prison. Nixon should have been prosecuted, not pardoned.
This was my first Google stab. Nixon was never indicted or charged.
Gerald Ford’s Pardon of Nixon Is Why Donald Trump Can Still Run for President
President Ford thought he was ending “America’s long national nightmare” by letting Tricky Dick off the hook. But he planted the seed for our current national nightmare.www.thedailybeast.com
Conflicting info. Now I gotta read that case.
The more I hear about what they pulled here and the track record of this special counsel with abuses slapped down by the courts I doubt Trump has anything to worry about at the end with this case. The NY case is probably the only one they have any chance with and that is only with a compliant Judge assisting the prosecution with their attempt to get get an all hard core lefty Trump hating jury.
Dems are playing chess, and have pubs close to check mate. Reps are still trying to take the plastic wrap off their new checkerboard.
I really think these dumbasses think if they keep indicting Trump and forcing him to go to court that eventually America will believe he's really a criminal.
Every indictment boosts his approval rating another 10%. I suspect the dems will figure this out around Jan 2024 and realize they better shift focus to suspending the election.
Why not. That's been in the playbook for years, repeat the lie til it's accepted as the truth.
Let's hope they don't. And they're not suspending the election.
