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[oozie7]

If he had put up the same numbers at Tech as he did at UF, do you think he would have been drafted? Of course not. So those numbers weren't meaningless. I'm sure Chip Kelly saw his Florida tape.

Logically, this doesn't make much sense. Do you believe NFL teams put more stock in his performance against SEC teams full of NFL prospects or his performance against North Texas? Which opponent is most similar to what he'll see in the NFL?

Jeff Driskel went to the NFL combine and physically towered over his peers. And yet he was the second to last QB taken. It isn't difficult to understand. Chip Kelly saw a 6'4, 240 lb. QB who runs a 4.5 and can throw it a mile. In the 6th round of the draft you won't find a more physically talented QB so you take a chance on a kid with those measurable a as a 3rd QB, which is what he currently is. It's not some sign that Chip Kelly thinks he's gonna be some monster QB. QB's who teams think have a shot at being anything don't last until the 6th round, not when teams are thirsty for decent QB play. I mean guys like EJ Manuel are going in the 1st round now.

 

[PacoGator19]

Logically, this doesn't make much sense. Do you believe NFL teams put more stock in his performance against SEC teams full of NFL prospects or his performance against North Texas? Which opponent is most similar to what he'll see in the NFL?

Jeff Driskel went to the NFL combine and physically towered over his peers. And yet he was the second to last QB taken. It isn't difficult to understand. Chip Kelly saw a 6'4, 240 lb. QB who runs a 4.5 and can throw it a mile. In the 6th round of the draft you won't find a more physically talented QB so you take a chance on a kid with those measurable a as a 3rd QB, which is what he currently is. It's not some sign that Chip Kelly thinks he's gonna be some monster QB. QB's who teams think have a shot at being anything don't last until the 6th round, not when teams are thirsty for decent QB play. I mean guys like EJ Manuel are going in the 1st round now.

Tell that to Carson Wentz & Paxton Lynch

 

[oozie7]

You really can't read anything in to (or out of) the disaster that was 2014. You can throw all of the stats in the world at sadgator and you will never convince him that Driskel wouldn't have performed better with adequate coaching. Our coaching was so piss-poor that his head was total mush, plus he was injured and getting his ass kicked over and over again. Because of ridiculously insane and crappy play calling.

His failure was an absolute and direct result of the poor coaching he had, and sadgator will go to the grave believing that.

Could he have been a Heisman Trophy-type player with adequate coaching. Probably not, but we will never know. What we do know is that he deserved better, and so did we.

sadgator took delight in seeing his success last year, and perhaps if he is successful in the NFL, we might not have to debate it any more.

I will give you that he was poorly coached by Pease, but funny enough his best season at UF came his first year under Pease. The next year he only played in 3 games before being injured so I'm not sure how poor coaching affected him there. I won't agree he got poor coaching from Roper because Roper has a long resume of successfully coaching the QB position. He wasn't retained at UF and instantly landed a job in the NFL...he certainly knew what he was doing.

At some point you simply have to look at the player. Each time UF inserted another QB the offense improved. Were they not suffering from the same bad coaching? And there's just no reconciling the belief that Harris is awful (and he is) with the belief that Driskel is good. Driskel was so bad he had the UF fanbass begging for Treon. How quickly y'all forget. Did you forget how we were being shut out by a poor UT team with Driskel and Harris came in and scored 10 points in a manner of a few minutes against the same bad defense? Treon Harris of all people. Or the 6 turnover meltdown against Mizzou. There's a lot of revisionism going on about Driskel. He was awful here and it certainly wasn't all coaching. The speed of the game overwhelmed him, he couldn't process what was happening fast enough. That doesn't matter as much when you're playing DB's that are 5'8 and run 4.7 though like he got to at LA Tech.

 

[bradleygator]

"It's not some sign that Chip Kelly thinks he's gonna be some monster QB."

I didn't say this. You said his numbers at Tech were "empty." I said they were not empty, because they played a part in his getting drafted. You think if Driskel had crapped the bed at Tech the way he did at UF, he would have been drafted strictly on his physical ability? No way. The NFL draft bypasses tons of physically talented, highly ranked qb recruits based on their failure to perform in college.

You dismiss his performance at Tech entirely. My point is simply that the NFL, or at least Chip Kelly, disagrees.

"QB's who teams think have a shot at being anything don't last until the 6th round, not when teams are thirsty for decent QB play."

So a sixth round pick is worthless then? If they don't think they have "a shot at being anything," why draft them at all? There's plenty of good players, plenty of starting NFL quarterbacks, who have been drafted post-sixth round.

 

[oozie7]

Tell that to Carson Wentz & Paxton Lynch

Is this supposed to be some kind of point? Carson Wentz or Lynch didn't start at a big school, fail, and move to a lower level. They were lightly recruited guys who improved over 3-4 years to the point where they were NFL prospects.

Just so I'm clear...the point isn't that small school QB's can't make it. The obvious point is that scouts put way more importance on how you perform against the best competition. Proof? Tell me how many kids were drafted from BCS leagues vs non-BCS leagues. The numbers aren't even close. Why? Because the best players in the whole are in BCS leagues. This isn't even debatable.

 

[oozie7]

"It's not some sign that Chip Kelly thinks he's gonna be some monster QB."

I didn't say this. You said his numbers at Tech were "empty." I said they were not empty, because they played a part in his getting drafted. You think if Driskel had crapped the bed at Tech the way he did at UF, he would have been drafted strictly on his physical ability? No way. The NFL draft bypasses tons of physically talented, highly ranked qb recruits based on their failure to perform in college.

You dismiss his performance at Tech entirely. My point is simply that the NFL, or at least Chip Kelly, disagrees.

"QB's who teams think have a shot at being anything don't last until the 6th round, not when teams are thirsty for decent QB play."

So a sixth round pick is worthless then? If they don't think they have "a shot at being anything," why draft them at all? There's plenty of good players, plenty of starting NFL quarterbacks, who have been drafted post-sixth round.

A QB picked in the 6th is generally 'worthless' yes. 6th round picks can be useful sure, that's usually not the case for the most important position on the field though.

Of the 32 NFL starting QB's in the NFL last year 21 were 1st round picks. Only 5 starters were drafted beyond the 6th round and that includes guys like Brady and Romo who were drafted more than a decade ago. And those are anomalies. In other words, the recent trend is obvious, if a team values a QB he'll be drafted early. For some reason you guys want to keep avoiding what's obvious. Anser me this, why was the most physically talented in the draft (by far as exhibited at the combine) the second to last QB drafted coming off what you all think is a meaningful season at LA Tech where he put up big numbers? So he has both size and newly found performance and still almost went undrafted. What's missing?

 

[oozie7]

Anyways no ones opinion is changing. I'd rather discuss our new QB options.

 

[bradleygator]

A QB picked in the 6th is generally 'worthless' yes. 6th round picks can be useful sure, that's usually not the case for the most important position on the field though.

Of the 32 NFL starting QB's in the NFL last year 21 were 1st round picks. Only 5 starters were drafted beyond the 6th round and that includes guys like Brady and Romo who were drafted more than a decade ago. And those are anomalies. In other words, the recent trend is obvious, if a team values a QB he'll be drafted early. For some reason you guys want to keep avoiding what's obvious. Anser me this, why was the most physically talented in the draft (by far as exhibited at the combine) the second to last QB drafted coming off what you all think is a meaningful season at LA Tech where he put up big numbers? So he has both size and newly found performance and still almost went undrafted. What's missing?

Obviously dragged down by his poor performance at Florida, which resulted from terrible coaching.

Full circle/end thread

 

[oozie7]

Obviously dragged down by his poor performance at Florida, which resulted from terrible coaching.

Full circle/end thread

I know, I said exactly that before when you guys were going on and on about his performance at Tech. That's why I said his numbers at tech were empty and you disagreed with that point which you now agree with by proxy of saying his stock was dragged down by his UF performance. He has elite talent and put up great numbers his last full year and yet stayed at the bottom of teams draft boards even after a great senior day and combine performance. So they clearly put more stock in his lack of performance at UF...since that's more similar to the caliber of athlete he'll face in the NFL. Which was the point all along. NFL teams generally don't care about inflated numbers put up against lesser talent, especially when you've already failed on the big stage. But on pure talent alone he's worth a look, which is basically what happened.

 

[PacoGator19]

I will give you that he was poorly coached by Pease, but funny enough his best season at UF came his first year under Pease. The next year he only played in 3 games before being injured so I'm not sure how poor coaching affected him there. I won't agree he got poor coaching from Roper because Roper has a long resume of successfully coaching the QB position. He wasn't retained at UF and instantly landed a job in the NFL...he certainly knew what he was doing.

At some point you simply have to look at the player. Each time UF inserted another QB the offense improved. Were they not suffering from the same bad coaching? And there's just no reconciling the belief that Harris is awful (and he is) with the belief that Driskel is good. Driskel was so bad he had the UF fanbass begging for Treon. How quickly y'all forget. Did you forget how we were being shut out by a poor UT team with Driskel and Harris came in and scored 10 points in a manner of a few minutes against the same bad defense? Treon Harris of all people. Or the 6 turnover meltdown against Mizzou. There's a lot of revisionism going on about Driskel. He was awful here and it certainly wasn't all coaching. The speed of the game overwhelmed him, he couldn't process what was happening fast enough. That doesn't matter as much when you're playing DB's that are 5'8 and run 4.7 though like he got to at LA Tech.

What is so impressive about Roper's resume? All his successes came under David Cutcliffe. He hasn't done so well on his own. He was a quality control offensive assistant in the NFL last year. It's not like he was an OC or even the QB coach in the NFL.
He's better than Pease. That is for certain.

 

[sadgator]

I will give you that he was poorly coached by Pease, but funny enough his best season at UF came his first year under Pease. The next year he only played in 3 games before being injured so I'm not sure how poor coaching affected him there. I won't agree he got poor coaching from Roper because Roper has a long resume of successfully coaching the QB position. He wasn't retained at UF and instantly landed a job in the NFL...he certainly knew what he was doing.

At some point you simply have to look at the player. Each time UF inserted another QB the offense improved. Were they not suffering from the same bad coaching? And there's just no reconciling the belief that Harris is awful (and he is) with the belief that Driskel is good. Driskel was so bad he had the UF fanbass begging for Treon. How quickly y'all forget. Did you forget how we were being shut out by a poor UT team with Driskel and Harris came in and scored 10 points in a manner of a few minutes against the same bad defense? Treon Harris of all people. Or the 6 turnover meltdown against Mizzou. There's a lot of revisionism going on about Driskel. He was awful here and it certainly wasn't all coaching. The speed of the game overwhelmed him, he couldn't process what was happening fast enough. That doesn't matter as much when you're playing DB's that are 5'8 and run 4.7 though like he got to at LA Tech.

Our play calling sucked every single year under Mus...and we all know why. That is coaching. Mus ruined that kid...until Tech...and the others weren't much better...until they left UF, of course.

The Treon thing is SO much different...in sadgator's opinion.

 

[Dannygator1989]

Lol

Driskell at LaTech did what he always did at UF.

Except they more than doubled the amount of plays and triple downed the competition.

And let's forget that he was the same guy in high school but, once again, out physically talented everybody.

But yeah...coaching.