Told you...

[LizardGrad89]

We should have declined the bowl bid. Said it weeks ago, nobody agreed.

Now, knowing we only held 3 (others heard it was 5) of our allowed 15 practices, does anyone change their mind? Many on here said it was very important we got those 15 additional practice. I said, even if we held the practices, there was nothing to teach the kids as the new staff was going to have to retrain them anyway. Evidently the current staff agreed with me as they didn't hardly bother having practice.

The coaches didn't care or we would have practiced more. The players didn't care or they would have put out a better effort. So who cared? Anybody? The fans? LMAO at anybody who thinks what the fans want means diddly. Oh, well, the administration cared, because they made a profit on the game. Only had to drive players and equipment to it, so not much in costs; they put a few more mil into their swollen bank accounts.

We had a coaching staff and a group of players that are both heading out the door now that the game is over. It was ridiculous to send a lame duck coaching staff plus a lame duck football team to represent UF at a bowl game. RIdiculous and STUPID.

But, you all got what you wanted. Hope you are happy.

 

[FrostedKnight]

We should have declined the bowl bid. Said it weeks ago, nobody agreed.

Now, knowing we only held 3 (others heard it was 5) of our allowed 15 practices, does anyone change their mind? Many on here said it was very important we got those 15 additional practice. I said, even if we held the practices, there was nothing to teach the kids as the new staff was going to have to retrain them anyway. Evidently the current staff agreed with me as they didn't hardly bother having practice.

The coaches didn't care or we would have practiced more. The players didn't care or they would have put out a better effort. So who cared? Anybody? The fans? LMAO at anybody who thinks what the fans want means diddly. Oh, well, the administration cared, because they made a profit on the game. Only had to drive players and equipment to it, so not much in costs; they put a few more mil into their swollen bank accounts.

We had a coaching staff and a group of players that are both heading out the door now that the game is over. It was ridiculous to send a lame duck coaching staff plus a lame duck football team to represent UF at a bowl game. RIdiculous and STUPID.

But, you all got what you wanted. Hope you are happy.

Classic!!! 😂

 

[KingofHedgehogs]

Classic!!! 😂

But not nearly as classic as somebody waiting untill after a game to try and say something.

If you cant be brave enough online to say something before the game, to strangers you will never meet, how much bravery do you have irl/off the internet for other matters?

 

[sadgator]

Well, let sadgator give you a dose of reality…

wussing out of bowl games ain’t the answer…

Florida has a major league identity and culture problem….

And Florida as a school, athletic program, and fan base have created it. Florida got exactly what it asked for tonight.

You can’t change coaches every three years and expect loyalty, dedication, and “relentless effort” from the players. You can’t act like Cal Berkeley Monday through Friday and want to play like Alabama on Saturday…it doesn’t work like that…

Florida is seriously in a state of peril. There is an attitude of impatience, spoiled entitlement, and arrogance that has poisoned this program.

What you saw tonight was Clubber Lang versus Rich Lazy Rocky. Skip all the bowls you want if you don’t want to face it…but it is real….

Hopefully Napier can infuse a heavy dose of his #cULture mindset into this program, and hopefully the administration, fan base, and decision makers will be patient enough to let him do it over time regardless of how long it takes. Otherwise, Florida fans should get real accustomed to seeing what they witnessed tonight…unless they want to just chicken out of similar match-ups in the future…

 

[KingofHedgehogs]

Lol what drivel. Bunch of words that really is off-course from the Op's intended message. If you think its "wussing out" to make an objective decision than you clearly missed the point.

You even admit there is a culture problem, yet you and insta were the biggest Mullen supporters right up to the end with little, if ANY criticism, of the condition of the program. Hypocrisy, much? If you had your desires played out, Mullen and White would be here a ton longer than they really need/needed to be.

Yet, its fans that share Op's view that is poison for the program????......ok. man, the irony and obliviousness is staggering.

Dont talk about Napier when you didnt even want him here in the first place over your boy Mullen(whose culture has been going on for years). We are patient, but unlike you, we could see problems further back accumalating to the present and was reasonable to expect a continual downwhirl spiral. Patience is good when its reasonable and has a light at the end. Mullen was a coaching benefactor, but not a provider....and he had a history of it.

This is a game that UF not only didnt embrace due to the coaching situation.....but chose not to properly plan and work much towards. If UF put in the 15 practices? Sure, the support to play the game could be understood, even if disagreed about it. Thinking
its "wussing out" because of being against a money grab opportunity without much effort to do well? Pffffft

Get off your sickly high horse.

 

[fsu939913]

We should have declined the bowl bid. Said it weeks ago, nobody agreed.

Now, knowing we only held 3 (others heard it was 5) of our allowed 15 practices, does anyone change their mind? Many on here said it was very important we got those 15 additional practice. I said, even if we held the practices, there was nothing to teach the kids as the new staff was going to have to retrain them anyway. Evidently the current staff agreed with me as they didn't hardly bother having practice.

The coaches didn't care or we would have practiced more. The players didn't care or they would have put out a better effort. So who cared? Anybody? The fans? LMAO at anybody who thinks what the fans want means diddly. Oh, well, the administration cared, because they made a profit on the game. Only had to drive players and equipment to it, so not much in costs; they put a few more mil into their swollen bank accounts.

We had a coaching staff and a group of players that are both heading out the door now that the game is over. It was ridiculous to send a lame duck coaching staff plus a lame duck football team to represent UF at a bowl game. RIdiculous and STUPID.

But, you all got what you wanted. Hope you are halower.

Well maybe you should have lost to fsu.... I know you guys tried to and we just wouldn't accept it lol

 

[fsu939913]

Well, let sadgator give you a dose of reality…

wussing out of bowl games ain’t the answer…

Florida has a major league identity and culture problem….

And Florida as a school, athletic program, and fan base have created it. Florida got exactly what it asked for tonight.

You can’t change coaches every three years and expect loyalty, dedication, and “relentless effort” from the players. You can’t act like Cal Berkeley Monday through Friday and want to play like Alabama on Saturday…it doesn’t work like that…

Florida is seriously in a state of peril. There is an attitude of impatience, spoiled entitlement, and arrogance that has poisoned this program.

What you saw tonight was Clubber Lang versus Rich Lazy Rocky. Skip all the bowls you want if you don’t want to face it…but it is real….

Hopefully Napier can infuse a heavy dose of his #cULture mindset into this program, and hopefully the administration, fan base, and decision makers will be patient enough to let him do it over time regardless of how long it takes. Otherwise, Florida fans should get real accustomed to seeing what they witnessed tonight…unless they want to just chicken out of similar match-ups in the future…

That's why I want Norvell for 5 yrs. Stability is as important as ever in cfb. Unless the guy is absolutely brutal on and off the field.

 

[GordonGecko]

I had an $18 burger at the game. It wasnt very good.

NOR WAS THE GAME,

 

[GatorTheo]

...

Now, knowing we only held 3 (others heard it was 5) of our allowed 15 practices,...

Is that correct?

 

[KingofHedgehogs]

That's why I want Norvell for 5 yrs. Stability is as important as ever in cfb. Unless the guy is absolutely brutal on and off the field.

Stability is good.....but UF was still doing relatively well in recruiting before Mullen. What hurt is that there are recruits exposing the reasons why they are choosing to go elsewhere.

One recruit said contact with coaches is very slim and he actually talked more to a coach for a different position than his own position coach. Another recruit is on record of saying that there are "problems" with the coaches(well before Mullen got the boot).

Going through the coaches as we have should not drop UF past #20 in recruiting unless there are other problems(such as the above).

One thing that can also deter recruiting is bad bowl games......well as many situations going on revolving a 6-6 season, should you play a bad bowl game when you only practiced 3 or 5 times in a month? Against a fellow school in Florida?

You can choose to do it....but this complete nonsense of being a "wuss" or that to say no is poison to the school is absurd.

 

[KingofHedgehogs]

Is that correct?

Ive heard anywhere from 3 to 7, instead of the usual 15. One article mentions the lack of practice.

 

[GordonGecko]

How many drops and missed receivers did we have last night?

 

[GatorTheo]

I'd love to hear Napier's honest assessment of the team.

 

[Nicktheslick]

But not nearly as classic as somebody waiting untill after a game to try and say something.

If you cant be brave enough online to say something before the game, to strangers you will never meet, how much bravery do you have irl/off the internet for other matters?

To be honest He did make that claim when the bowl bid was accepted.

 

[Countygator1]

Short handed, lame duck coaching staff, several kids out the door...lots of things going on. But it was a meaningless bowl game. It will have zero impact on what happens next. Everyone knows that. Glad the kids got to strap it on and play again. UCF took advantage and good for them. Don't make more out of it than it was. Napier and his coaches got to make some evaluations and know what's ahead of them.

 

[KingofHedgehogs]

To be honest He did make that claim when the bowl bid was accepted.

What claim? His only post on this board was "classic". I was talking about the UCF fan, not the OP.

I took issue with the UCF fan reveling in the win but was too scared to say anything before the game.

 

[TennesseeGator]

We should have declined the bowl bid. Said it weeks ago, nobody agreed.

Now, knowing we only held 3 (others heard it was 5) of our allowed 15 practices, does anyone change their mind? Many on here said it was very important we got those 15 additional practice. I said, even if we held the practices, there was nothing to teach the kids as the new staff was going to have to retrain them anyway. Evidently the current staff agreed with me as they didn't hardly bother having practice.

The coaches didn't care or we would have practiced more. The players didn't care or they would have put out a better effort. So who cared? Anybody? The fans? LMAO at anybody who thinks what the fans want means diddly. Oh, well, the administration cared, because they made a profit on the game. Only had to drive players and equipment to it, so not much in costs; they put a few more mil into their swollen bank accounts.

We had a coaching staff and a group of players that are both heading out the door now that the game is over. It was ridiculous to send a lame duck coaching staff plus a lame duck football team to represent UF at a bowl game. RIdiculous and STUPID.

But, you all got what you wanted. Hope you are happy.

Lol what drivel. Bunch of words that really is off-course from the Op's intended message. If you think its "wussing out" to make an objective decision than you clearly missed the point.

You even admit there is a culture problem, yet you and insta were the biggest Mullen supporters right up to the end with little, if ANY criticism, of the condition of the program. Hypocrisy, much? If you had your desires played out, Mullen and White would be here a ton longer than they really need/needed to be.

Yet, its fans that share Op's view that is poison for the program????......ok. man, the irony and obliviousness is staggering.

Dont talk about Napier when you didnt even want him here in the first place over your boy Mullen(whose culture has been going on for years). We are patient, but unlike you, we could see problems further back accumalating to the present and was reasonable to expect a continual downwhirl spiral. Patience is good when its reasonable and has a light at the end. Mullen was a coaching benefactor, but not a provider....and he had a history of it.

This is a game that UF not only didnt embrace due to the coaching situation.....but chose not to properly plan and work much towards. If UF put in the 15 practices? Sure, the support to play the game could be understood, even if disagreed about it. Thinking
its "wussing out" because of being against a money grab opportunity without much effort to do well? Pffffft

Get off your sickly high horse.

How much ball and to what level did you two play? I'm being serious. Not trying to smack talk. Not ticking for taccing.

Even though a small majority quit. Even though another small majority gave half ass effort. Even though the coaches didn't give the full effort they were supposed to. Even though fans have to get girly because "UCF fans will now bully me at work" and whatever other soft cupcake excuse y'all come up with....oh me my our pretty little 247 ranking won't be as shiney.

Fvck all of that. Majority of the seniors WANTED to suit up one more time in the orange and blue. It was some guys last game not only as a Gator but as a football player period. Even real warriors go into things looking "I'm a sophomore, this is my last game as a sophomore".

These damn young men grew up WANTING to play college ball. They knew signing up that to achieve a goal that they would miss part of the days of sucking on peppermint, smelling a cedar tree, wearing Santa footies, and drinking on warm coco would be missed. Spare me the candy ass "oh they could've been home for Christmas" pansy azz excuse.

Some of these young men would run through a brick wall for your entertainment knowing we would all bitxh that we didn't lower his shoulder correctly or whatever critique we give.

Even though it wasn't the ideal bowl or ideal season. They still did what was necessary to earn "1 more". Every real athlete wants 1 more. The selfish players don't. Better yet the soft cupcake fans don't because of ignorant excuses.


I'll end this rant but it's not for you any of you. No matter your donor level to determine or suggest that those that earned "1 more" not to get 1 more. Real athletes understand the 1 more.

Even fsu #"s wanted his lackadaisical Nollies to play "1 more"


Some of y'all don't understand 1 more. "Give me 5 more minutes" *Listen to the country song.

 

[KingofHedgehogs]

How much ball and to what level did you two play? I'm being serious. Not trying to smack talk. Not ticking for taccing.

Even though a small majority quit. Even though another small majority gave half ass effort. Even though the coaches didn't give the full effort they were supposed to. Even though fans have to get girly because "UCF fans will now bully me at work" and whatever other soft cupcake excuse y'all come up with....oh me my our pretty little 247 ranking won't be as shiney.

Fvck all of that. Majority of the seniors WANTED to suit up one more time in the orange and blue. It was some guys last game not only as a Gator but as a football player period. Even real warriors go into things looking "I'm a sophomore, this is my last game as a sophomore".

These damn young men grew up WANTING to play college ball. They knew signing up that to achieve a goal that they would miss part of the days of sucking on peppermint, smelling a cedar tree, wearing Santa footies, and drinking on warm coco would be missed. Spare me the candy ass "oh they could've been home for Christmas" pansy azz excuse.

Some of these young men would run through a brick wall for your entertainment knowing we would all bitxh that we didn't lower his shoulder correctly or whatever critique we give.

Even though it wasn't the ideal bowl or ideal season. They still did what was necessary to earn "1 more". Every real athlete wants 1 more. The selfish players don't. Better yet the soft cupcake fans don't because of ignorant excuses.


I'll end this rant but it's not for you any of you. No matter your donor level to determine or suggest that those that earned "1 more" not to get 1 more. Real athletes understand the 1 more.

Even fsu #"s wanted his lackadaisical Nollies to play "1 more"


Some of y'all don't understand 1 more. "Give me 5 more minutes" *Listen to the country song.

Regardless of what you think and the needless descriptives, playing is still ultimately a privilege, not a right. I wont bother to say where and what level i played because anybody can say anything, so why bother?

The end result is that you want us to put more care on what the players wanted when they clearly didnt care what the fans wanted first. Did you forget the entire team except 1 player even bothered to honor the school and fans by sticking around for the school tradition of singing after the game? Ive been on the bleachers as a fan, and as a player on the field. I know that traditions, such as songs, are a form of respect for the opportunity.

Yea, its just a song.....but if we are to respect them as players, they first must respect those that made it possible for them to have free college and an opportunity to make millions. Dont put on this "woe is them because they play near christmas". They arent doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. They are paid hundreds of thousands in tuition, housing, food, etc.


Do you really expect them to say on record that they dont want to play in this bowl if they are sticking around? No way. For the seniors, sure some may not fall into this category.....but ask yourself this.......if they really wanted to play so much than why did they not take the initative to organize their own player-held practices instead of doing the bare minimum?

Thats what we did when I was playing on the level I was on when certain conditions didnt offer a lot of opportunities.

But go off......

 

[Michi_Gator]

How much ball and to what level did you two play? I'm being serious. Not trying to smack talk. Not ticking for taccing.

Even though a small majority quit. Even though another small majority gave half ass effort. Even though the coaches didn't give the full effort they were supposed to. Even though fans have to get girly because "UCF fans will now bully me at work" and whatever other soft cupcake excuse y'all come up with....oh me my our pretty little 247 ranking won't be as shiney.

Fvck all of that. Majority of the seniors WANTED to suit up one more time in the orange and blue. It was some guys last game not only as a Gator but as a football player period. Even real warriors go into things looking "I'm a sophomore, this is my last game as a sophomore".

These damn young men grew up WANTING to play college ball. They knew signing up that to achieve a goal that they would miss part of the days of sucking on peppermint, smelling a cedar tree, wearing Santa footies, and drinking on warm coco would be missed. Spare me the candy ass "oh they could've been home for Christmas" pansy azz excuse.

Some of these young men would run through a brick wall for your entertainment knowing we would all bitxh that we didn't lower his shoulder correctly or whatever critique we give.

Even though it wasn't the ideal bowl or ideal season. They still did what was necessary to earn "1 more". Every real athlete wants 1 more. The selfish players don't. Better yet the soft cupcake fans don't because of ignorant excuses.


I'll end this rant but it's not for you any of you. No matter your donor level to determine or suggest that those that earned "1 more" not to get 1 more. Real athletes understand the 1 more.

Even fsu #"s wanted his lackadaisical Nollies to play "1 more"


Some of y'all don't understand 1 more. "Give me 5 more minutes" *Listen to the country song.

Thank you. I tried to get this across a week ago but jo one can see outside of what they as a fan perceive to be the positives and negatives. Its kinda sad honestly

 

[sadgator]

Dont talk about Napier when you didnt even want him here in the first place over your boy Mullen(whose culture has been going on for years). We are patient, but unlike you, we could see problems further back accumalating to the present and was reasonable to expect a continual downwhirl spiral. Patience is good when its reasonable and has a light at the end. Mullen was a coaching benefactor, but not a provider....and he had a history of it.

sadgator isn’t suggesting Florida would have been better off keeping Mullen. sadgator is on record acknowledging that Napier appears to be a good hire despite sadgator’s support of Mullen…

But there is something systemically wrong with Florida…it is true…it is either the instability due to so many regime changes or a lack of real grit, toughness, and dedication from the players we have targeted…something is seriously out of whack…

And if Napier doesn’t work, sadgator shudders to think what another transition will do to this program…

it is imperative that he gets the support and time he needs to implement his brand of toughness and teamwork here…Florida simply can’t fail again…

 

[Michi_Gator]

Regardless of what you think and the needless descriptives, playing is still ultimately a privilege, not a right. I wont bother to say where and what level i played because anybody can say anything, so why bother?

The end result is that you want us to put more care on what the players wanted when they clearly didnt care what the fans wanted first. Did you forget the entire team except 1 player even bothered to honor the school and fans by sticking around for the school tradition of singing after the game? Ive been on the bleachers as a fan, and as a player on the field. I know that traditions, such as songs, are a form of respect for the opportunity.

Yea, its just a song.....but if we are to respect them as players, they first must respect those that made it possible for them to have free college and an opportunity to make millions. Dont put on this "woe is them because they play near christmas". They arent doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. They are paid hundreds of thousands in tuition, housing, food, etc.


Do you really expect them to say on record that they dont want to play in this bowl if they are sticking around? No way. For the seniors, sure some may not fall into this category.....but ask yourself this.......if they really wanted to play so much than why did they not take the initative to organize their own player-held practices instead of doing the bare minimum?

Thats what we did when I was playing on the level I was on when certain conditions didnt offer a lot of opportunities.

But go off......

Not sure the signs point to the players not wanting to play. Elam is a projected first round pick, no one would question him sitting out, yet there he was on the field. So you are telling me he didn’t want to play?

How about the two guys who are in the portal, still played, did they not want to?

 

[sadgator]

I had an $18 burger at the game. It wasnt very good.

Dude…those concession prices in that stadium were the highest sadgator had ever seen at a game.

And the prices changed depending on what kiosk you were at…it was like watching inflation rise before your eyes as you walked the concourses!!!!’

sadgator cannot imagine being a Bucs season ticket holder. You’d need to take out a second mortgage to afford brining a family of 4 to one of those games!

 

[GordonGecko]

How many wide open receivers did Emory miss?

How many drops?

How many missed tackles?

How many missed blocks?

It is obvious this team had not practiced enough.

 

[Michi_Gator]

Dont talk about Napier when you didnt even want him here in the first place over your boy Mullen(whose culture has been going on for years). We are patient, but unlike you, we could see problems further back accumalating to the present and was reasonable to expect a continual downwhirl spiral. Patience is good when its reasonable and has a light at the end. Mullen was a coaching benefactor, but not a provider....and he had a history of it.

This is a game that UF not only didnt embrace due to the coaching situation.....but chose not to properly plan and work much towards. If UF put in the 15 practices? Sure, the support to play the game could be understood, even if disagreed about it. Thinking
its "wussing out" because of being against a money grab opportunity without much effort to do well? Pffffft

Get off your sickly high horse.

Get bent dude, some of you have turned into angry people. I am so sorry if someone at work is a UCF fan and they might hurt your feeelings.

But damn, aome of you have lost all perspective. Someone questions Mullen’s firing and they then are not allowed to say Napier is on the right track?

what the hell is wrong with some of you.

And don’t try to say who can and can’t talk about Napier. I will talk about him positive and negative and guess what……I think his offense flat out sucks. Guess what else, I will continue to talk about him regardless of what you say

 

[FrostedKnight]

Dont

But not nearly as classic as somebody waiting untill after a game to try and say something.

If you cant be brave enough online to say something before the game, to strangers you will never meet, how much bravery do you have irl/off the internet for other matters?

Don’t get yer jorts in a wad.

 

[Countygator1]

How many wide open receivers did Emory miss?

How many drops?

How many missed tackles?

How many missed blocks?

It is obvious this team had not practiced enough.

I said it in another thread, had it been a good team this thing would've been over at the half.

 

[TennesseeGator]

Not sure the signs point to the players not wanting to play. Elam is a projected first round pick, no one would question him sitting out, yet there he was on the field. So you are telling me he didn’t want to play?

How about the two guys who are in the portal, still played, did they not want to?

And Elam played his azz off. He made numerous TD saving tackles when he could have easily quit.

A young man like that got his 1 more.

 

[KingofHedgehogs]

Dont

Don’t get yer jorts in a

Dont

Don’t get yer jorts in a wad.

Even if I wore them, you would have to be somebody relevent first.

 

[KingofHedgehogs]

Get bent dude, some of you have turned into angry people. I am so sorry if someone at work is a UCF fan and they might hurt your feeelings.

But damn, aome of you have lost all perspective. Someone questions Mullen’s firing and they then are not allowed to say Napier is on the right track?

what the hell is wrong with some of you.

And don’t try to say who can and can’t talk about Napier. I will talk about him positive and negative and guess what……I think his offense flat out sucks. Guess what else, I will continue to talk about him regardless of what you say

If somebody holds a perspective Ive always been ok with that. I hold people accountable for their stances prior and after if they contradict itself.

Thats why insta blocked me, or claimed to, because i held him to the same standard.

You say "Get bent" , accusations of lost perspective, and talk about people being angry.......but youve said worse personal comments than I have. It is ironic.

Secondly, the "dont talk about napier" was a figure of speech not to be taken literally, but to point out a conflicting stance.

You must have your own unresolved anger issues to not only jump in and fan the fire, but not take the time to comprehend the meaning of the message.

But then again, you have admitted you do certain things to get Sad's attention in the past....and youre responding to a post to Sad.

You do realize hes married, right? Or at least is in a relationship. Whats more He can and has spoken for himself. Youre kinda weird, dude, when Sad is involved.

 

[KingofHedgehogs]

Oh, and lets be very clear....Sad was the one to start this off by insinuating certain people were arrogant, spoiled, entitled, impatient, and represented poison to the program.

Although I said what he wrote was drivel in response, I never resorted to similar name calling just because he and I often were of different minds.

Then Tennessee had to jump in with the comment of questioning me and lizardgrads crediantials....as if that really proved anything by asking internet strangers.

And now Michi is being eerily unnerving with a post that was directed at Sad, made a school yard insult and and misintepreted part of the message.


Yet, Im the one out of line. Ok ya'll. Lol whatever u say. It is slightly amusing how this pops off like high school or something.

 

[steven orr]

We have to give Napier time and we can’t continue this 3-4 years rotation of coaches. I realize it stinks watching non championship ball as we have been really for 12 years now. We’ve had some glimpses of big success but always followed by some major let down (Louisville Sugar Bowl).
We’ve tried the fire and hire method three times now and it hasn’t worked. Michigan showed painful patience and it’s paying off, Iowa has had basically zero staff turnover for 20 years and they seem to be in a New Years bowl game every year, Kentucky stuck w Stoops ( years 4 and 5 they were 7-6). I understand some will say we are above those programs in expectations but are we really anymore?
I also know I’m quick to call out the coaching staff and I’m going to have to change that. I am convinced we have to stick w this coach and staff and allow them long term to build. As stated by another poster we need some long term stability.
Im also convinced we need better quality of character in the kids we recruit. The penalties, unsportsmanlike, mistakes, selfish play has to change. In the SEC and B1G title games there were zero defense off sides penalties and zero unsportsmanlike penalties. That has to change.

 

[KingofHedgehogs]

We have to give Napier time and we can’t continue this 3-4 years rotation of coaches. I realize it stinks watching non championship ball as we have been really for 12 years now. We’ve had some glimpses of big success but always followed by some major let down (Louisville Sugar Bowl).
We’ve tried the fire and hire method three times now and it hasn’t worked. Michigan showed painful patience and it’s paying off, Iowa has had basically zero staff turnover for 20 years and they seem to be in a New Years bowl game every year, Kentucky stuck w Stoops ( years 4 and 5 they were 7-6). I understand some will say we are above those programs in expectations but are we really anymore?
I also know I’m quick to call out the coaching staff and I’m going to have to change that. I am convinced we have to stick w this coach and staff and allow them long term to build. As stated by another poster we need some long term stability.
Im also convinced we need better quality of character in the kids we recruit. The penalties, unsportsmanlike, mistakes, selfish play has to change. In the SEC and B1G title games there were zero defense off sides penalties and zero unsportsmanlike penalties. That has to change.

I agree with all of this. When looking at Harbough what stands out is that aside from his first year, there was only 1 time he wasnt in the top 2 in the Big 10 for recruiting(it was #3).

Stoops has recruited anywhere from decently(for UK) to very well. He really is doing as best as it can really be done there.

If we want to invest in the long term, needless to say, the focus and action of recruiting needs to be at the top. Wbtw, im glad that Napier has stressed.

 

[nothergator]

Dont

Don’t get yer jorts in a wad.

Get off this board it is for Gators.

 

[sadgator]

You do realize hes married, right? Or at least is in a relationship.

It’s been so long, candidly, sometimes even sadgator forgets…

 

[sadgator]

Oh, and lets be very clear....Sad was the one to start this off by insinuating certain people were arrogant, spoiled, entitled, impatient, and represented poison…I never resorted to similar name calling just because he and I often were of different minds.

In his defense, sadgator never called anybody specifically a name. sadgator said there was an attitude held by fans, administration, and people within the program that is negatively affecting this program…sadgator genuinely believes this…

 

[sadgator]

We need to hang a mistletoe at the top of this thread….

 

[fsu939913]

I had an $18 burger at the game. It wasnt very good.

NOR WAS THE GAME,

Lol

 

[KingofHedgehogs]

We need to hang a mistletoe at the top of this thread….

In a related vein, I will sincerely apologize because upon reflection I do believe that I could have and should have worded my response better, though with the same message, and that I do appreciate your quality of response in return.

 

[Michi_Gator]

I agree with all of this. When looking at Harbough what stands out is that aside from his first year, there was only 1 time he wasnt in the top 2 in the Big 10 for recruiting(it was #3).

Stoops has recruited anywhere from decently(for UK) to very well. He really is doing as best as it can really be done there.

If we want to invest in the long term, needless to say, the focus and action of recruiting needs to be at the top. Wbtw, im glad that Napier has stressed.

Don’t like the Harbaugh example. Mainly because I don’t believe this is a springboard to a lot of future MI success. He is a very average recruiter, a very quirky dude, extremely stubborn and way too loyal. Kinda Mullen-esque

Now if he goes on a run I will admit I was wrong, but I don’t see it happening. He had a lot of things bounce his way this year, the most significant of which was getting OSU in a blizzard to neutralize their passing game, which UM need as their secondary is atrocious.

Yes they were patient but a pay cut and threat of being canned came after last year, not many would agree to that. Michigan is a weird ass place and not really a model anyone could or should follow.

 

[sadgator]

Every time sadgator reads the title of this thread, all he can think of is…