There is NO WAY they play come September...
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Mcdonalds is not a career job, it is a high school job. If you work at Mcdonalds as a career, you deserve to be poor.
Interesting way of looking at it, using lower paid or part time workers...
I'm retired but about a year and a half ago I became bored so I took a part time job at a large car dealership. The pay was more than minimum wage, but below the $15 an hour figure often discussed as a "living wage".
I was way overqualified for the job, but the social interaction, schedule structure, and the "no-headaches" of the job were good. It got me out of the house, got me to schedule tasks at home, and put some extra change in my back pocket.
My point is that many of the employees specifically only wanted part time work. Why? If they did work full time, they lost housing vouchers, food stamps, Medicaid, SNAP benefits, and a free bus pass if they needed one. More than one said if they made "too much money" they'd lose those things. I'm not making that up - I'd never heard of such a thing before. Interestingly, a few of them had also worked in the fast food industry...and McDonalds was one of the places.
Sometimes you need to peel back a few layers of the issue...
I'm retired but about a year and a half ago I became bored so I took a part time job at a large car dealership. The pay was more than minimum wage, but below the $15 an hour figure often discussed as a "living wage".
I was way overqualified for the job, but the social interaction, schedule structure, and the "no-headaches" of the job were good. It got me out of the house, got me to schedule tasks at home, and put some extra change in my back pocket.
My point is that many of the employees specifically only wanted part time work. Why? If they did work full time, they lost housing vouchers, food stamps, Medicaid, SNAP benefits, and a free bus pass if they needed one. More than one said if they made "too much money" they'd lose those things. I'm not making that up - I'd never heard of such a thing before. Interestingly, a few of them had also worked in the fast food industry...and McDonalds was one of the places.
Sometimes you need to peel back a few layers of the issue...
Typical lib. Resort to name calling. Because you have limited comebacks on a logical and knowledgeable basis. So you shout names.
Of course McD's is just an example.
Give the employees at least $15 an hour even though they have skills that will never exceed that of an 8th grader, which is why their registers have pictures of the food instead of names, and why the registers tell them how much money to give back to the customer, because they don't have the math skills to figure it out.
When did it become the employer's fault - or obligation - to teach a 19 year old how to count?
And are you ready to pay $12 for a Happy Meal?
Another stupid argument. Why should we warp the economy by providing corporate welfare (on BORROWED MONEY)? Let companies absorb the real cost of their business and let the market economy figure it out. I thought you Pubs LIKED the market economy. But it seems what you really love is welfare. Corporate welfare. As long as it makes your burgers artificially cheap.
I write an essay on economics and corporate welfare and the response I get is that if you work at McDonalds you deserve to be poor?
Yeah, he's DUMB. That's not a lib thing, that a reality thing.
One could also make the argument (at the risk of being called stupid) that we warp the economy by not expecting people to make their own way to the very best of their ability, instead of asking the "economy" to provide for them what they choose not to provide for themselves. If they work 40 hours a week and lose some benefits instead of purposely limiting themselves to 28, they've made a choice, have they not?
Same with any of those lower tier brainless jobs that should be done by a machine anyway. There is no reason to pay those people when a machine can do the job properly. I dont eat at Mcdonalds becuz its poor quality in food but mainly becuz of the people who work/eat there are not the type of people i congregate with.
Your biggest mistake is thinking no one should be poor. Sorry but there has to be a wealthy, rich, middle, lower, and Mcdonalds worker class.
You mean you dont want to pick up the tab for some loser 23 yr old who cant add and subtract but thinks working 40 hrs a week is way to hard? Why shouldnt you have to pay for their healthcare? College? You are just a meany head.
You have heard of the Affordable Care Act, right? It states that anyone who works more than 30 hours a week over a given time frame qualifies for company group health insurance.
And, you actually think people are CHOOSING to work just below 30 hours a week? Really?
It's like talking to a wall.
Um, what I SAID was that corporations should be required to pay the full cost of doing business, not be taking government welfare. Full cost being to pay for all the units of production, including human capital. But I see that argument went whooshing right over your head.
Ah. Note please that you've not answered my question...Econ major? Business degree?
I have been a Florida CPA for over 22 years, so I have a level of expertise in all facets of business. I have degrees in Accounting, Finance, and Human Resources.
There is a difference between your assertion that people choose to work 28 hours and the reality that they are not allowed to work more than 28 hours.
Or is that distinction too subtle for you?
A level of familiarity it seems. Certainly no entrepreurial expertise, as evidenced by your rather anti-capitalistic posts.
You have no idea about what I know or what I've actually witnessed. I hope that's not too subtle for you.
I like the brand of capitalistic socialism you see in Denmark, Sweeden, etc. They have universal healthcare and free college education for all, but the biggest catch is that ALL pay for it through taxes. Everyone pays their fair share. Denmark has a fantastic unemployment insurance, but if you remain unemployed for too long you lose the benefit. Democratic socialism sounds compassionate, but you end up with some paying the way for others, and over time the some start to want to be with the others. It will eventually collapse and plunge the majority into low income or poverty. The tide doesn't raise all the boats, it lowers them. Just my humble opinion.
Bro... you have no idea what's I've studied. I lived there for 2 years...met with government officials and actual people. I've been to the welfare facilities and talked to a lot of people. Not sure where all you've lived but you probably don't even know what the west bank area is without google...I know all about the 9th ward....done jobs there and in St Benard Parrish, Lake Side, Poydres/Canal Street, Mid Town...I bet you don't even know the city that the airport is in but you can look it up (Kenner). Yes...3 generations deep in some ares on welfare. You're talking about things that you don't know about from some internet searches. You're acting like I'm bagging on people but I'm just telling you about something you don't know about. Oh...Trump was a 10 point underdog in the election. WRONG
All I can do is give you the current actual statistics. But certainly your dated anecdotal evidence is far more accurate.
I have worked in CPA firms, own my own small CPA firm, worked in and audited private, public, profit and not for profit entities, and governmental entities, but yeah, what would I know about anything?
If you think my posts are anti-capitalistic, then you must not be aware that the market economy is actually capitalistic. I, after all, am the one who says that corporations should pay their own expenses and let the market sort it out, you are the one who wants corporate welfare so your happy meals don't cost too much.
Well, try telling that to the guy that got the original MickyD franchise in Gainesville, and he'll likely laugh you outta town.... When he eventually sold out, he left town as a millionaire...
Most if not all of American History. There aren't many alive today that can give a firsthand account of the French and Indian war.
Denmarks economy is beginning to fail becuz of all this free stuff. Poverty is rising becuz of the dem socialism. Free college doesnt work. Does free k-12 work? No. I have good health insurance, why should i be forced to have crap universal health care when i have much better myself. Makes no sense. Its all for the people who are to dumb to know how to provide for themselves."i didnt pay attention in school pay for all my stuff im entitled".
He owned the place right? Im talking modern Mcdonalds workers.... Basically people who cant spell their name
Blah blah blah. Workers are jot entitled to more money unless they earn it thru raises. If you want to make more money get a different job or do better in school. I have no sympathy for slackers who just hold their hand out and beg.
I agree.....EXCEPT it’s the frigging governments making the decision to deprive businesses from operating and surviving
If you don’t see a difference here, it’s a good thing you became a CPA
Nothing is free in Denmark. Everyone has to contribute via taxes. If you don't contribute, you don't get the benefit. About 60% of Danes have their own private healthcare to offset what the universal doesn't cover or do well. As to college, everyone is charged I believe 4% tax to cover the costs.
I actually know people who live in Denmark, they tell me the positives and negatives. Its not good right now as all of that tax is being raised because it is not covering the cost
And you said I wasn't funny. Pot and Kettle.
I've cast sufficient pearls before swine today. The hope that you or your buddies would learn anything was vain, but still, we can always hope for a miracle.
Ah...you think you dropped pearls...I see pig droppings...we have choices.
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