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TennesseeGator said:
Chris Leak started as a freshman. He was one o the most exciting and well publicized QB's in the internet recruiting sites era. Sure he won a Natty as a starter but wasn't developed into a NFL QB. Then there is Tebow. Same description I wrote for Leak.

Looking back.
Not sure if Alex Smith was just a total badass or Dan Mullen made him what he is.

Chris Leak and Tim Tebow
If they played on loaded rosters with good WR's and teams with good defenses you telling me they couldn't win a title? I mean Cam Newton did. Both were already gifted when they arrived. You telling me Tebow wouldn't have led Bama (team we beat in the 08 SECCG) to a title? Chris Leak probably could have bought Phil Fulmer 5 more seasons and possibly a championship.

Dak Prescott
Fvck it, I'll give Dan Mullen that one.

Kyle Trask Thank you Butters and Nussmier for finding this diamond in the rough. A damn natural that was not only hidden on the sidelines by you two but for an entire season and the beginning of the next season until Felipe Franks damn near had to have his leg amputated.

Sad you going to tell me had Trask been a starter anywhere else in the nation on a top 20 team he couldn't have tossed the ball around like he did? Did Mullen truly develop Trask?
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Chris Leak didn’t play in the NFL because of lack of arm strength and he wasn’t very big. He was 5’11 tops. If you are going to be on the smaller side and play QB in the NFL you better have some mobility and a live arm.
When it comes to QB there isn’t anybody better in developing them then Mullen. Probably Lincoln Riley and that would be it. But Mullen coached/developed Alex Smith, Dak Prescott, Tim Tebow, Kyle Trask and even Feleipe Franks is currently on a NFL roster. That’s a pretty impressive list from just 1 coach.
 
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PacoGator19 said:
Chris Leak didn’t play in the NFL because of lack of arm strength and he wasn’t very big. He was 5’11 tops. If you are going to be on the smaller side and play QB in the NFL you better have some mobility and a live arm.
When it comes to QB there isn’t anybody better in developing them then Mullen. Probably Lincoln Riley and that would be it. But Mullen coached/developed Alex Smith, Dak Prescott, Tim Tebow, Kyle Trask and even Feleipe Franks is currently on a NFL roster. That’s a pretty impressive list from just 1 coach.
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Fair enough



I'll go with Jimbo over Mullen if we are going the "Franks made a roster route" JaMarcus Russell, Christian Ponder, EJ Manuel, Jamis Winston and Kellen Mond. 😲

As Fever said, it seems Mullen develops the QB's that already have that it factor. Leak was one of the most publicized recruits in the early internet era. As was Tebow. Dak had a buzz generating in Starkville the moment he first started practicing. The State fans were wondering why he wasn't the main man like many of us are wondering about AR-15. Maybe like Dak AR just needs time. It's just discouraging to see that a guy he groomed for 3 years in Emory hasn't emerged and that AR doesn't know the offense after 2 springs, a full season, and another 1/2 season. Maybe UGA's defense is that dang good they made him look bad.
 
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sadgator said:
…Fitzgerald….

clearly a fluke that Dan finds these “diamonds.”
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He wasn't that good.

Hell of any NFL career Dan led him too. Like 1/2 month on the BUCS practice squad.

Before Paco joins in with his size. Dude was 6'5 225

In what world was Tebow and Leak "diamonds"? Franks was highly regarded as well. LSU was after Dak.

Yes he was gifted Trask.
 
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TennesseeGator said:
Fair enough



I'll go with Jimbo over Mullen if we are going the "Franks made a roster route" JaMarcus Russell, Christian Ponder, EJ Manuel, Jamis Winston and Kellen Mond. 😲

As Fever said, it seems Mullen develops the QB's that already have that it factor. Leak was one of the most publicized recruits in the early internet era. As was Tebow. Dak had a buzz generating in Starkville the moment he first started practicing. The State fans were wondering why he wasn't the main man like many of us are wondering about AR-15. Maybe like Dak AR just needs time. It's just discouraging to see that a guy he groomed for 3 years in Emory hasn't emerged and that AR doesn't know the offense after 2 springs, a full season, and another 1/2 season. Maybe UGA's defense is that dang good they made him look bad.
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Not giving up on AR becoming a real good one. He just needs to wing it more imo and be quicker to react to pressure by rolling out sooner. Just like with Newton it will make them have to respect him possibly running so much that receivers will break open easier. I hope he isn't thinking about running the plays called so much its affecting him with that.

That QB for South Carolina with how he was rolling out with the pressure would make someone like Richardson hard to stop.
 
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TennesseeGator said:
Fair enough



I'll go with Jimbo over Mullen if we are going the "Franks made a roster route" JaMarcus Russell, Christian Ponder, EJ Manuel, Jamis Winston and Kellen Mond. 😲

As Fever said, it seems Mullen develops the QB's that already have that it factor. Leak was one of the most publicized recruits in the early internet era. As was Tebow. Dak had a buzz generating in Starkville the moment he first started practicing. The State fans were wondering why he wasn't the main man like many of us are wondering about AR-15. Maybe like Dak AR just needs time. It's just discouraging to see that a guy he groomed for 3 years in Emory hasn't emerged and that AR doesn't know the offense after 2 springs, a full season, and another 1/2 season. Maybe UGA's defense is that dang good they made him look bad.
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Fisher has done a good job with QBs as well although all those guys were bums in the NFL except for Winston has hung around. Alex Smith and Dak Prescott have had good and lengthy NFL careers. With that being said again you can’t find many coaches that have done as good as Mullen has with QBs. He’s one of the tops in the country.
By the way nobody hits on all their QBs. Not Spurrier, not Riley, not Mullen. Nobody! So you can’t expect every QB to be good. They all have mis evals.
 
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PacoGator19 said:
Fisher has done a good job with QBs as well although all those guys were bums in the NFL except for Winston has hung around. Alex Smith and Dak Prescott have had good and lengthy NFL careers. With that being said again you can’t find many coaches that have done as good as Mullen has with QBs. He’s one of the tops in the country.
By the way nobody hits on all their QBs. Not Spurrier, not Riley, not Mullen. Nobody! So you can’t expect every QB to be good. They all have mis evals.
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I don't disagree. Everyone misses. But @sadgator makes him out to be the lord of Lords of QB's.

Only messing with you sad.
 
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BillybobJunior said:
Bring back Charlie Strong. UF won two Championships under his defenses, think logically. He isnt a HC but he is a good DC!!!
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No thanks at this point. I think we would be better off giving a younger DC a chance that is doing well somewhere else.
 
NavigatorII said:
I hardly count Muschamp and Mac as offensive geniuses. This offense has potential. But when you know you HAVE to score each and every possession, bad news. Even Meyer's offense went to hell in a handbasket when Mullen left for MSU. Hopefully Mullin has learned a lesson, if the defense isn't capable of getting off the field, you aren't going to beat anyone with a pulse.
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I was referring to Mac and Mull not Mac and Mus
 
PacoGator19 said:
Fisher has done a good job with QBs as well although all those guys were bums in the NFL except for Winston has hung around. Alex Smith and Dak Prescott have had good and lengthy NFL careers. With that being said again you can’t find many coaches that have done as good as Mullen has with QBs. He’s one of the tops in the country.
By the way nobody hits on all their QBs. Not Spurrier, not Riley, not Mullen. Nobody! So you can’t expect every QB to be good. They all have mis evals.
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Thinking back Spurrier put Matthews, Wuerfferl, Doug Johnson, Jesse Palmer, Brock Berlin, and Rex Grossman in the NFL. Johnson started a season when Mike Vick was injured. Grossman was his only tenured QB. Matthews had a lengthy career and Wuerfferl spot started and even beat out Heath Shuler. I didn't care to keep up with what he did at SCar and their QB's.
 
TennesseeGator said:
I was referring to Mac and Mull not Mac and Mus
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I get you. I don't think we disagree with much with this team other than Mullin is responsible for every aspect of the program. He is, but I don't believe getting rid of him is the answer. I think that's where we disagree. Maybe I'm wrong. We sucked some serious balls before he arrived. I just cringed when Mac would say, "well that's neat, that's kinda cool". Not sure how Saban tolerated that kind of retardism. Mullen's biggest issue is not holding a gun to recruiting, not policing a DC that sucked balls, and not playing the best players on the roster. That's all I got.
 
TennesseeGator said:
Thinking back Spurrier put Matthews, Wuerfferl, Doug Johnson, Jesse Palmer, Brock Berlin, and Rex Grossman in the NFL. Johnson started a season when Mike Vick was injured. Grossman was his only tenured QB. Matthews had a lengthy career and Wuerfferl spot started and even beat out Heath Shuler. I didn't care to keep up with what he did at SCar and their QB's.
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Yes he put some guys in the NFL but only Matthews & Grossman hung around for awhile in the league and had some decent stats. Ironically Alex Smith and Dak Prescott have done much better in the NFL than any of those Spurrier QBs.
 
TennesseeGator said:
Thinking back Spurrier put Matthews, Wuerfferl, Doug Johnson, Jesse Palmer, Brock Berlin, and Rex Grossman in the NFL. Johnson started a season when Mike Vick was injured. Grossman was his only tenured QB. Matthews had a lengthy career and Wuerfferl spot started and even beat out Heath Shuler. I didn't care to keep up with what he did at SCar and their QB's.
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You keep spelling Wuerffel wrong.

Do you pronounce it Wuerfferl?
 
KingofHedgehogs said:
Lol what a selfish way of thinking. You act like red and black streamers would be coming down after winning a UF natty.....simply because the HC was a former DC.

Not because we hired a former UGA or Bama assistant, but because he was a DC.

But I guess 4-5 and looking at an abyss worse than any DC left UF with is more to your taste as long as it's an offensive minded coach.
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We tried to emulate Bama when we hired Charley Pell. We emulated them right into 107 violations, 3 years probation and 20 lost scholarships. Some teams are allowed to buy players, and some get destroyed for giving them hats and t-shirts. It is what it is.
 
NorthJerseyGator said:
Generally speaking it is an offensive Era in football of recent years for both cfb and pro but Uga is the only team in cfb or pro with an elite defense and they will win the nattie this season with a below average offense so yeah defense still wins championships.
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won’t even win the SEC let alone a NC
 
TennesseeGator said:
Thinking back Spurrier put Matthews, Wuerfferl, Doug Johnson, Jesse Palmer, Brock Berlin, and Rex Grossman in the NFL. Johnson started a season when Mike Vick was injured. Grossman was his only tenured QB. Matthews had a lengthy career and Wuerfferl spot started and even beat out Heath Shuler. I didn't care to keep up with what he did at SCar and their QB's.
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why are we measuring coaches by QB NFL success, all three of our national titles were won with QBs with little to no NFL success
 
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Michi_Gator said:
why are we measuring coaches by QB NFL success, all three of our national titles were won with QBs with little to no NFL success
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Michi_Gator said:
why are we measuring coaches by QB NFL success, all three of our national titles were won with QBs with little to no NFL success
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It all factors into the debate as do other listings of "developed QB". It's (NFL career) is not the deciding factor but a very important one.

Sometimes National Championships are about timing/coaching/roster talent and depth.
 
sadgator said:
To this day, it still bothers sadgator that Wuerff never made it big in the NFL…
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...and Tebow and Spurrier...but God closed those doors because he had much bigger plans for all three of them...all three are sons of preachers...and all three God directed to other paths in life to help others and to help the Gators.
 
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Gator Fever said:
Yep throwing the ball for 2 yards on 3rd and 7s to boost that number. He even had some crazy PFF stat for a while that year saying he was one of the best QBs under pressure because of how he rolled out many times and hit the guy near the line of scrimmage.
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Kind of reminds me of Jeff Driskel. Speaking of Driskel, like Franks, has been moved to TE.

 
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TennesseeGator said:
I was on record around after his sophomore season saying he should have made this move. Either TE or the Trey Burton role. As good as an athlete as TB was I thought JD was even better.
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Trey Burton was a poor man's All American. It's a damn shame he was shoved into the QB role. It was a travesty. He was one hell of an athlete.
 
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I don't buy the lightning in a bottle non-sense with Jimbo 2013 FSU, because 2012 with EJ was possible, and that was his only career loss against UF. Whole roster was recruited by him and he had to replace a lot of staff when Stoops went to Kentucky, and put a never been a DC before Jeremy Pruitt at the helm.

I'm still a big Jimbo fan today and watch as much A&M as I can, the guy can certainly recruit, coach, and call plays at the same time. Usually makes hires he never has to fire.

Not even close to Ed O, whom fails to replace good coaches with better ones. He wrote his own exit.
 
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