I don't see the appeal in hiring a defensive guy, offense wins championships in 2021
The time is now, if we want him.
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I don't see the appeal in hiring a defensive guy, offense wins championships in 2021
Only if Venables would bring in Mark Helfrich(former HC at Oregon), or the soon to be fired Scott Frost. He will only bolster recruiting just in the state of Florida alone.
Awesome username, BTW.
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How did that work with WiLLLLLLLE Taggart and Mike NorveLLLLLL?
How is it working for us with MuLLLLLen?
3 of the 4 top ranked teams are coached by defensive guys(Saban, Kirby, and Fick) so that argument may not be a factor.
Worked well with Jimbo and Meyer. Saban has since changed his stance on defense wins championships and I meant recent hires. Smart hasn't won a championship (mainly because he couldn't manage the talent on his offense) and Fickell hasn't won a championship either. So I don't think that argument is a good one until they do. The downside to Venables is he hasn't been a HC before, he's a defensive coach and I'm not sure how many offensive gurus he actually knows. Yes, it's worked with Saban who is the greatest college coach of all time. Willie sucks and Norvell is doing fine for the talent he has (which is none).
Generally speaking it is an offensive Era in football of recent years for both cfb and pro but Uga is the only team in cfb or pro with an elite defense and they will win the nattie this season with a below average offense so yeah defense still wins championships.
Meyer was both a defensive and offensive position coach.
Not to take anything from your Natty, but Jimbo caught lightening in the bottle with Winston and crew. He did nothing creative on offense. He has won big games at A&M but lost dumb ones. Just a little version of Ed O.
Does Ed O get the cred for a defensive guy winning a title if Jimbo gets one for the offense?
I'm not wanting Brent Venerables as HC but I won't rule out others just because they are defensive coaches. That's just a simple minded approach.
If we say offensive blunders are to blame for Smart, why did UGA never win with the offense guru Mark Richt?
Hell if we fault Kirby what about all those gurus at Oregon that never won a title?
Not to make the debate long but for any defensive name you throw out for shortcomings I can name an offensive guy with the same. I'll start with Gus Malzhan.
Let me ask though, did you enjoy the last two offensive"gurus"?
I hardly count Muschamp and Mac as offensive geniuses. This offense has potential. But when you know you HAVE to score each and every possession, bad news. Even Meyer's offense went to hell in a handbasket when Mullen left for MSU. Hopefully Mullin has learned a lesson, if the defense isn't capable of getting off the field, you aren't going to beat anyone with a pulse.
Our offense has been lackluster against any opponent with a pulse for the majority of this season. Last 2 years offense was great mainly thanks in large part to Trask, Pitts, and Toney.
We didn't break the 20 point mark vs UGA, UK, and S Carolina. That's sad.
I'll gladly give credit to Mullen for making the most out of Franks during Mullen's first year.
Any offense accomplishments under Mullen are largely credited to McElwain's recruits with the exception to some portal players Mullen picked up.
Did McElwain recruit Anthony Richardson too? I don't know. Maybe he did when he was 15 years old or something, being in Gainesville and all.
Franks was pretty bad while here but did improve some at Arkansas. I think Mullen signed Pitts. I was looking at the defensive roster and unless we signed a lot of busts I think we are set up for a new coach to have a good defense if Mullen was to leave. I think the offense has less talent on the roster than the defense now.
Actually Franks had a better QB rating his junior year at Florida then he did his senior year at Arkansas. 173 vs 163.
Yep throwing the ball for 2 yards on 3rd and 7s to boost that number. He even had some crazy PFF stat for a while that year saying he was one of the best QBs under pressure because of how he rolled out many times and hit the guy near the line of scrimmage.
Hmmm no. His yards per attempt was 9.8 yards per attempt is junior year. The highest in his college career. His QB rating was 173 and went down to 163 at Arkansas. Both good QB ratings to be honest. I wasn’t the biggest Franks fan but he put up better numbers here at UF then either Emory Jones or AR15 has so far.
His junior year, was that in 2018 or 2019? He only played 11 quarters in 2019 before going down with an injury.
Must have been due to the bombs being in there and runs after the catch as he had a ton off passes within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. I even did a count on that myself and it was crazy the number near the line of scrimmage.
Here were 3 games (2018). Not sure if I did the other games that year. (ball thrown any distance past the line of scrimmage completion %)
Missouri: 6 of 16 (37.5%)
Georgia: 5 of 11 (45.5%)
Kentucky: 13 of 34 (38.2%) - surprised we threw threw the ball down the field that much that game.
24 of 61: (39.3%) total those 3 games.
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He didn't but are we talking about the same Richardson"who doesn't know the offense" after being here 2 years? Richardson? The same Richardson who had more turnovers than TD's vs UGA Richardson?
Not downing Richardson but Dan hasn't developed him after ARich being an EE and having 2 springs and a season and half.
I blame most of that on not getting enough snaps under real fire. He's got all world talent, but he needs to learn the hot reads instead of rolling away from every backside blitz. Jones on the other hand, is clueless and never sees it coming. When you take away Jones' primary receiver, he comes unraveled. At least Richardson looks for other options by scrambling around.
I know my post came across as downing Richardson. I really didn't mean it that way. He has talent and we can see. However it seems like the QB whisperer hasn't whispered too well right now.
I'm just really down on Dan right now. I was really hyped to see him come here. Loved his eagerness. Then he kept Grantham around and forced Emory to be the man when he just wasn't. Added in with the lack of on field discipline.
AND off the field. Turns out the concussion wasn't the reason he didn't play.
Dan Mullen Shares Freak Anthony Richardson Injury News
Florida quarterback Anthony Richardson did not play in the Gators' loss to South Carolina on Saturday, and it wasn't because of the concussion he suffered the
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Dancing. Are you effing kidding me.AND off the field. Turns out the concussion wasn't the reason he didn't play.
Dan Mullen Shares Freak Anthony Richardson Injury News
Florida quarterback Anthony Richardson did not play in the Gators' loss to South Carolina on Saturday, and it wasn't because of the concussion he suffered the
I'm down, time to once again bring in a Gators QB playcaller.....per below, he's loving Jesus and #liveontheedge and #playfastscorefaster, haha, lesgo!
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Well LSU won because of Joe Brady and the offense. No offense taken on our natty, you can say it was lightning in a bottle but we won 29 straight and set an NCAA record for our offense and this was with sitting our starters in the 2nd half most games. I think defense is important and there are some who have had success as a HC but imo its easier if you have an offensive minded coach. I agree it can go back and forth all day lol
Are people in this thread legitimately arguing about whether Dan can productively develop QB’s? Why don’t we just argue about the color of the sky while we are at it?
Chris Leak started as a freshman. He was one o the most exciting and well publicized QB's in the internet recruiting sites era. Sure he won a Natty as a starter but wasn't developed into a NFL QB. Then there is Tebow. Same description I wrote for Leak.
Looking back.
Not sure if Alex Smith was just a total badass or Dan Mullen made him what he is.
Chris Leak and Tim Tebow
If they played on loaded rosters with good WR's and teams with good defenses you telling me they couldn't win a title? I mean Cam Newton did. Both were already gifted when they arrived. You telling me Tebow wouldn't have led Bama (team we beat in the 08 SECCG) to a title? Chris Leak probably could have bought Phil Fulmer 5 more seasons and possibly a championship.
Dak Prescott
Fvck it, I'll give Dan Mullen that one.
Kyle Trask Thank you Butters and Nussmier for finding this diamond in the rough. A damn natural that was not only hidden on the sidelines by you two but for an entire season and the beginning of the next season until Felipe Franks damn near had to have his leg amputated.
Sad you going to tell me had Trask been a starter anywhere else in the nation on a top 20 team he couldn't have tossed the ball around like he did? Did Mullen truly develop Trask?
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In summary, you said but didn't directly say...a defensive coach can get the right offense recruits and a good OC and he can win a Natty.
In return it seems good DC's are hard to find. Reason why many of the offensive genius haven't won big. Leach, Riley at OU, Kiffin, Gundy, Malzhan, etc etc.
My view on Mullen is he is real good with QBs as long as they have the "it" factor. He isnt some magician like the media tries to portray sometimes however (no coach is). Cant count the times Franks or Jones had a few decent plays and they said that stuff and we know what happened right afterwards. Really hoping AR grows into the position.
Gundy consistently wins with less talent. He’s competing with OU, Texas and Texas A&M and does pretty good. I’d like to see what he could do in talent rich Florida. Not at UM and FSU though.
I could see it going 1 or 2 ways.
Dude can come in with that offense, find a decent DC, and recruit more talent and light the world on fire like Steve O Spurrier did. Or he could come in and be another flash in the pan and be one of the Kiffin, Malzhan, Mullen, etc types where they average 40 plus points on offense but average giving up about 38 points per game on defense.
Also I didn't like the fact that Gundy didn't take it to the next level now that Texas has been down since Colt McCoy graduated and Oklahoma had a coaching change. Add in Texas A&M left which should make the conference a little bit easier.
Gundy would only listen to what Stricklin had to say about the vacant position left by Mcelwain, just like he did with many other schools who courted him in the past. He always used that as leverage to get him pay raises at OSU. UF President Fuchs and AD Stricklin saw right through that, even if Mullen turned UF down.
Oh, and Gundy was not a 2nd choice, neither was Mullen a 1st choice. Chip Kelly and Scott Frost were the top targets for the UF administration.
Mullet Man loves it and has it good at his alma mater. I wouldn't mind bringing in another UF alum for old times sake to jazz up the program and fanbase with beloved Gators family ties, lol. Let's see, who are the prospects: Bell, Schottenheimer, Mularkey, Chizik, ummm....who else?......sigh, sniffle, ummm, maybe we shouldn't limit ourselves to just family, lol.....thinking with heart and not head, haha.
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