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The Lies about electric cars

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The day he said he made money on his Tesla was the first crack in the armor. I asked him if he'd sold it yet, and asked the price of the newer one to replace it. It was like the first shot on Fort Sumpter. He started reeling from that point on. 😂
 
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Dead Batteries: Electric Vehicle Owners Complain of Broken Chargers, Awkward Software​

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I'll convert to Moonshine before I ever drive an electric vehicle.
 
I like that idea they make great spaces for parking my Indian Chief motorcycle.
One thing to keep in mind, most people won’t say anything to anyone when they see wrong. By nature, we’re not confrontational beings. I doubt anyone would say anything to you, it’s about the reaction.
 
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Ok, educate me on the evils of EV’s. I don’t plan to own one until the technology is better. Are you against innovation? Your talk reminds me of the 1900’s when people were against the combustion engine cars in favor of the horse and buggy. BTW, I am not in favor of government incentives for the EV’s. But we have to start somewhere.
Please don’t jump on me for disagreeing. I really want to know what is wrong here. If someone wants to buy one why not?
 
Ok, educate me on the evils of EV’s. I don’t plan to own one until the technology is better. Are you against innovation? Your talk reminds me of the 1900’s when people were against the combustion engine cars in favor of the horse and buggy. BTW, I am not in favor of government incentives for the EV’s. But we have to start somewhere.
Please don’t jump on me for disagreeing. I really want to know what is wrong here. If someone wants to buy one why not?
Well, I have a Horse and Buggy, so.
 
Ok, educate me on the evils of EV’s. I don’t plan to own one until the technology is better. Are you against innovation? Your talk reminds me of the 1900’s when people were against the combustion engine cars in favor of the horse and buggy. BTW, I am not in favor of government incentives for the EV’s. But we have to start somewhere.
Please don’t jump on me for disagreeing. I really want to know what is wrong here. If someone wants to buy one why not?
I have nothing against innovation but if the argument is to help the environment, look into the cobalt mines and how bad they kill the environment.

In places like the DRC (Democratic Republic of Congo), slave labor is used to help mining. You could make the argument it is the new blood diamond of Africa.

Then you have the issues on what happens when the battery goes bad in these cars. It’s in the neighborhood of 30k to 40k replace and there currently is no way to recycle these batteries. Is the plan to bury them, drop them in the ocean, burn them?

So… 50k to 80k for the car, another 30k to 40k for a replacement battery. Cobalt mining kills the environment and slavery is reborn in Africa.

Ready to buy?
 
I don’t plan to own one until the technology is better.

BTW, I am not in favor of government incentives for the EV’s.

If someone wants to buy one why not?

You and I have never agreed more than we do in these 3 sentences.

And I can even live with a few pro-EV government incentives like grants or tax breaks to help fund research/improvements to emerging technology. Just don't punish their fossil fuel competition to make the EV's look more appealing by comparison.
 
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I have nothing against innovation but if the argument is to help the environment, look into the cobalt mines and how bad they kill the environment.

In places like the DRC (Democratic Republic of Congo), slave labor is used to help mining. You could make the argument it is the new blood diamond of Africa.

Then you have the issues on what happens when the battery goes bad in these cars. It’s in the neighborhood of 30k to 40k replace and there currently is no way to recycle these batteries. Is the plan to bury them, drop them in the ocean, burn them?

So… 50k to 80k for the car, another 30k to 40k for a replacement battery. Cobalt mining kills the environment and slavery is reborn in Africa.

Ready to buy?

For me it's less about the actual cobalt mining effect on the environment (it is an issue) and more about pretending to be doing this for mother earth while simultaneously skull dragging mother earth for the minerals to accomplish the task.
 
For me it's less about the actual cobalt mining effect on the environment (it is an issue) and more about pretending to be doing this for mother earth while simultaneously skull dragging mother earth for the minerals to accomplish the task.
Wow. I can't believe we're even arguing about this with the woke cucks. EV vehicles aren't even sustainable at this juncture. Limited range, limited charging stations, why pimp coal fired electrical vehicles with very limited battery life? Wake the eff up! Not ready for prime time. Wake me up when I can buy a 4 wheel drive truck with 400 miles of range that I can "recharge" in 10 minutes of refueling. The Soy factor is skrong in here. The Flagship U needs a serious testosterone check! :oops:
 
Ok, educate me on the evils of EV’s. I don’t plan to own one until the technology is better. Are you against innovation? Your talk reminds me of the 1900’s when people were against the combustion engine cars in favor of the horse and buggy. BTW, I am not in favor of government incentives for the EV’s. But we have to start somewhere.
Please don’t jump on me for disagreeing. I really want to know what is wrong here. If someone wants to buy one why not?
Honest question: Do you think anyone here thinks an electric vehicle is a better option, but they just refuse to buy one? That makes zero sense. Even if you want to make it a political issue.....I'm not going to own a gas-powered car if I can get an EV that's a better vehicle.

As for what is wrong with EVs, educate yourself on what happens to the environment to acquire the 'rare earth minerals' which are needed for the batteries in EVs. The environment literally has to be destroyed and contaminated during both the creation and destruction process of the vehicle.

If you want to buy a more expensive, less reliable vehicle that also destroys the environment, then an EV is the way to go.
 
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I have nothing against innovation but if the argument is to help the environment, look into the cobalt mines and how bad they kill the environment.

In places like the DRC (Democratic Republic of Congo), slave labor is used to help mining. You could make the argument it is the new blood diamond of Africa.

Then you have the issues on what happens when the battery goes bad in these cars. It’s in the neighborhood of 30k to 40k replace and there currently is no way to recycle these batteries. Is the plan to bury them, drop them in the ocean, burn them?

So… 50k to 80k for the car, another 30k to 40k for a replacement battery. Cobalt mining kills the environment and slavery is reborn in Africa.

Ready to buy?
Exactly. Creating these cars destroys the environment and it destroys lives.

And the EV cheerleaders are 99% of time dems using it as a political issue cause they think they save the environment.

The reality is, they destroy it. @NavigatorII still has the pictures on the ready, I am betting.
 
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Wow. I can't believe we're even arguing about this with the woke cucks. EV vehicles aren't even sustainable at this juncture. Limited range, limited charging stations, why pimp coal fired electrical vehicles with very limited battery life? Wake the eff up! Not ready for prime time. Wake me up when I can buy a 4 wheel drive truck with 400 miles of range that I can "recharge" in 10 minutes of refueling. The Soy factor is skrong in here. The Flagship U needs a serious testosterone check! :oops:
I actually think EVs are worth arguing about, because I believe a lot of dems like @G8trDad3 truly have no idea what happens to the environment during the creation process.

The pictures truly tell the tale:





 
Why do some on here have to dismiss my honest question as political, make me a snowflake? Geez…
We have to start somewhere. Oil drilling and fracking, coal mining are not as gentle to the environment as you present. Do we really need to protect the fossil fuel companies? Alternative energy is the future. Electric, hydrogen, Mr. Fusion. Current iterations of the EVs are not what the market will look like in 5/10 years. It’s called “progress.”
 
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100% G8trDad3

And from the political perspective when are you going to remove Saudi Arabia & other oil producing countries from having undue influence in America's interests?
 
Ok, educate me on the evils of EV’s. I don’t plan to own one until the technology is better. Are you against innovation? Your talk reminds me of the 1900’s when people were against the combustion engine cars in favor of the horse and buggy. BTW, I am not in favor of government incentives for the EV’s. But we have to start somewhere.
Please don’t jump on me for disagreeing. I really want to know what is wrong here. If someone wants to buy one why not?
The lies out on EV's are enormous. They require 220v chargers(if you do not want to let the car sit for 10-15 hrs) that pull the same amount of electricity as a home dryer. Imagine tens of thousands of dryers turned on at the same time every day..plus the normal working load of what we already need. Our grid is not even close to being able to handle this...and will not be for quite some time. That is why with only 1% of vehicles on the raod today being EV's many towns ask EV owners NOT to charge their vehicles when power supply is short already. Secondly...they are flat out lying on batteries. Batteries have a life span of between 65000-100000 miles on average. Costing 15-25k to replace them. Drive a car 100K....and now you have a 2k shop bill. 20k yr, 5 years, still have a payoff on your ev, and it is totaled, because the battery costs more than the car is worth. No one is talking about this....and they KNOW it to be true. Lastly...EV's will NEVER be for everyone. Yet the manufacturers claim that they will be 100% EV by 2035. BS.
 
The lies out on EV's are enormous. They require 220v chargers(if you do not want to let the car sit for 10-15 hrs) that pull the same amount of electricity as a home dryer. Imagine tens of thousands of dryers turned on at the same time every day..plus the normal working load of what we already need. Our grid is not even close to being able to handle this...and will not be for quite some time. That is why with only 1% of vehicles on the raod today being EV's many towns ask EV owners NOT to charge their vehicles when power supply is short already. Secondly...they are flat out lying on batteries. Batteries have a life span of between 65000-100000 miles on average. Costing 15-25k to replace them. Drive a car 100K....and now you have a 2k shop bill. 20k yr, 5 years, still have a payoff on your ev, and it is totaled, because the battery costs more than the car is worth. No one is talking about this....and they KNOW it to be true. Lastly...EV's will NEVER be for everyone. Yet the manufacturers claim that they will be 100% EV by 2035. BS.
You place 150 million of these on the road and we'd be without power for hours a day. It is a pipe dream.
 
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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/29/climate/gm-electric-cars-power-grid.html
Electric Cars Are Coming, and Fast. Is the Nation’s Grid Up to It?
GM’s decision this week to phase out gasoline vehicles is the latest in a major shift that will mean drastic new demands on electric utilities. Here are four things that will need to happen.


Generate More Juice​

If every American switched over to an electric passenger vehicle, analysts have estimated, the United States could end up using roughly 25 percent more electricity than it does today. To handle that, utilities will likely need to build a lot of new power plants and upgrade their transmission networks.

“There’s no question that utilities can do this, but it’s not going to be trivial,” said Chris Nelder, who leads the vehicle-grid integration team at the Rocky Mountain Institute. “It takes time and money.” In a recent study, his team found that many utilities and vehicle fleet managers planning to go electric have yet to fully grapple with all the challenges involved.

For instance, Mr. Nelder said, if a transit agency wants to buy 100 new electric buses and charge them overnight, it will suddenly need large amounts of power feeding into the bus depot, potentially requiring new substations and other equipment that could mean million-dollar investments.

“That’s not something utilities can just do next week,” he said. “It takes a lot of careful advanced planning.”

There’s good news, too. In 2018, researchers at the University of Texas at Austin’s Energy Institute looked at what a shift to electric vehicles would mean for the power grid in every state. While Americans would likely pay more for electricity as utilities made necessary upgrades, that would be offset by fuel savings from not having to buy gasoline anymore.

“While it’s challenging to predict the future prices for gasoline, electricity and vehicles,” the researchers wrote, “we believe it is likely that the widespread use of EVs would reduce the overall costs of transportation in California and elsewhere. These savings are even greater if the environmental benefits, especially lower carbon emissions, are taken into account.”



https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesm...-just-need-proper-management/?sh=ba01b9178629
Electricity Grids Can Handle Electric Vehicles Easily - Forbes


https://getjerry.com/questions/can-the-us-infrastructure-grid-handle-electric-cars
Can the U.S. infrastructure grid handle electric cars?
One of the subjects I’ve been hearing come up a lot lately in regard to EVs is that our infrastructure grid can’t handle charging millions of electric cars. Is this true? Is it even worth buying an EV if the recharging process is going to be unreliable?

This is probably one of the biggest myths out there when it comes to electric vehicles. Yes, America’s grid can easily handle electric cars—and even though EVs will most likely become the dominant form of personal transportation, charging them all isn’t going to be an issue. By the time that electric cars are owned by 80% of the U.S., this will only translate into a 10-15% increase in electricity consumption.

One of the main reasons for this minimal increase in national electricity consumption is that EVs are more fuel-efficient than internal combustion engines, somewhere between 5-6 times as efficient. Though their batteries aren’t powerful enough to take them beyond the 700-800 mile range, between 10-20 years, that will likely be possible. Another facet regarding the ways that electric cars will affect the grid is smart charging capabilities.

Smart charging is a technology that links a vehicle owner’s charging device with their EV’s battery. “Smart “ charging devices identify times during the day that electricity consumption is highest, and pull power from the grid to hold in its reserves so that owners don’t experience any charging delays when the power grid is most active.
 
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Secondly...they are flat out lying on batteries. Batteries have a life span of between 65000-100000 miles on average. Costing 15-25k to replace them. Drive a car 100K....and now you have a 2k shop bill. 20k yr, 5 years, still have a payoff on your ev, and it is totaled, because the battery costs more than the car is worth. No one is talking about this....and they KNOW it to be true. Lastly...EV's will NEVER be for everyone. Yet the manufacturers claim that they will be 100% EV by 2035. BS.

20k a year...maybe if you live in buttf#ck egypt

12K is the average mileage for a car


10-20 years

Thankfully, experts suggest that EV batteries will typically last anywhere from 10-20 years. That's significantly longer than most people own a vehicle and longer than your average gas-powered ICE (internal combustion) engine. More importantly, auto manufacturers guarantee it, too.Apr 19, 2022

How Long Do EV Batteries Last? - Review Geek​

 
LOL, snowflakes scared of progress, who could have guessed the grievance girls would be complaining!!! what a bunch of babies.
 
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I have nothing against innovation but if the argument is to help the environment, look into the cobalt mines and how bad they kill the environment.

In places like the DRC (Democratic Republic of Congo), slave labor is used to help mining. You could make the argument it is the new blood diamond of Africa.

Then you have the issues on what happens when the battery goes bad in these cars. It’s in the neighborhood of 30k to 40k replace and there currently is no way to recycle these batteries. Is the plan to bury them, drop them in the ocean, burn them?

So… 50k to 80k for the car, another 30k to 40k for a replacement battery. Cobalt mining kills the environment and slavery is reborn in Africa.

Ready to buy?
You're a little high on the current replacement cost for Tesla specifically. It's more like $12k-$20k.

I'm nitpicking, that's still alot of money. You can still get a decent car for $25k.

But the lithium leech pits, the fact we're still burning coal for electricity, the exploitation factor, the difficulty in recycling the batteries, etc are all spot on.

EV's are cool tech, no doubt. Electric motors deliver 100% of their torque immediately. The tech in a Tesla is really amazing. If you wanted to buy one because you're an early adopter I get it. Just don't act like you're doing something for the environment in your $80k 130mph golf cart.

I think if you hate cool cars and want to help the environment a hybrid is a better choice. Or even a very fuel efficient 4 cylinder turbo.
 
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20k a year...maybe if you live in buttf#ck egypt

12K is the average mileage for a car wrong


10-20 years


Thankfully, experts suggest that EV batteries will typically last anywhere from 10-20 years. That's significantly longer than most people own a vehicle and longer than your average gas-powered ICE (internal combustion) engine. More importantly, auto manufacturers guarantee it, too.Apr 19, 2022

How Long Do EV Batteries Last? - Review Geek

 
The lies out on EV's are enormous. They require 220v chargers(if you do not want to let the car sit for 10-15 hrs) that pull the same amount of electricity as a home dryer. Imagine tens of thousands of dryers turned on at the same time every day..plus the normal working load of what we already need. Our grid is not even close to being able to handle this...and will not be for quite some time. That is why with only 1% of vehicles on the raod today being EV's many towns ask EV owners NOT to charge their vehicles when power supply is short already. Secondly...they are flat out lying on batteries. Batteries have a life span of between 65000-100000 miles on average. Costing 15-25k to replace them. Drive a car 100K....and now you have a 2k shop bill. 20k yr, 5 years, still have a payoff on your ev, and it is totaled, because the battery costs more than the car is worth. No one is talking about this....and they KNOW it to be true. Lastly...EV's will NEVER be for everyone. Yet the manufacturers claim that they will be 100% EV by 2035. BS.
One more point - your warranty on a new replacement Tesla battery is half as long as the original warranty.

What does that tell you?
 
You're a little high on the current replacement cost for Tesla specifically. It's more like $12k-$20k.

I'm nitpicking, that's still alot of money. You can still get a decent car for $25k.

But the lithium leech pits, the fact we're still burning coal for electricity, the exploitation factor, the difficulty in recycling the batteries, etc are all spot on.

EV's are cool tech, no doubt. Electric motors deliver 100% of their torque immediately. The tech in a Tesla is really amazing. If you wanted to buy one because you're an early adopter I get it. Just don't act like you're doing something for the environment in your $80k 130mph golf cart.

I think if you hate cool cars and want to help the environment a hybrid is a better choice. Or even a very fuel efficient 4 cylinder turbo.
the model S is not for the poor. nor is an S class mercedes.
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/29/climate/gm-electric-cars-power-grid.html
Electric Cars Are Coming, and Fast. Is the Nation’s Grid Up to It?
GM’s decision this week to phase out gasoline vehicles is the latest in a major shift that will mean drastic new demands on electric utilities. Here are four things that will need to happen.


Generate More Juice​

If every American switched over to an electric passenger vehicle, analysts have estimated, the United States could end up using roughly 25 percent more electricity than it does today. To handle that, utilities will likely need to build a lot of new power plants and upgrade their transmission networks.

“There’s no question that utilities can do this, but it’s not going to be trivial,” said Chris Nelder, who leads the vehicle-grid integration team at the Rocky Mountain Institute. “It takes time and money.” In a recent study, his team found that many utilities and vehicle fleet managers planning to go electric have yet to fully grapple with all the challenges involved.

For instance, Mr. Nelder said, if a transit agency wants to buy 100 new electric buses and charge them overnight, it will suddenly need large amounts of power feeding into the bus depot, potentially requiring new substations and other equipment that could mean million-dollar investments.

“That’s not something utilities can just do next week,” he said. “It takes a lot of careful advanced planning.”

There’s good news, too. In 2018, researchers at the University of Texas at Austin’s Energy Institute looked at what a shift to electric vehicles would mean for the power grid in every state. While Americans would likely pay more for electricity as utilities made necessary upgrades, that would be offset by fuel savings from not having to buy gasoline anymore.

“While it’s challenging to predict the future prices for gasoline, electricity and vehicles,” the researchers wrote, “we believe it is likely that the widespread use of EVs would reduce the overall costs of transportation in California and elsewhere. These savings are even greater if the environmental benefits, especially lower carbon emissions, are taken into account.”



https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesm...-just-need-proper-management/?sh=ba01b9178629
Electricity Grids Can Handle Electric Vehicles Easily - Forbes


https://getjerry.com/questions/can-the-us-infrastructure-grid-handle-electric-cars
Can the U.S. infrastructure grid handle electric cars?
One of the subjects I’ve been hearing come up a lot lately in regard to EVs is that our infrastructure grid can’t handle charging millions of electric cars. Is this true? Is it even worth buying an EV if the recharging process is going to be unreliable?

This is probably one of the biggest myths out there when it comes to electric vehicles. Yes, America’s grid can easily handle electric cars—and even though EVs will most likely become the dominant form of personal transportation, charging them all isn’t going to be an issue. By the time that electric cars are owned by 80% of the U.S., this will only translate into a 10-15% increase in electricity consumption.

One of the main reasons for this minimal increase in national electricity consumption is that EVs are more fuel-efficient than internal combustion engines, somewhere between 5-6 times as efficient. Though their batteries aren’t powerful enough to take them beyond the 700-800 mile range, between 10-20 years, that will likely be possible. Another facet regarding the ways that electric cars will affect the grid is smart charging capabilities.

Smart charging is a technology that links a vehicle owner’s charging device with their EV’s battery. “Smart “ charging devices identify times during the day that electricity consumption is highest, and pull power from the grid to hold in its reserves so that owners don’t experience any charging delays when the power grid is most active.
 
@Kingseve1 won’t be happy about this

Dead Batteries: Electric Vehicle Owners Complain of Broken Chargers, Awkward Software​

EV-Charger-640x480.jpg


Serves these fools right! The blind leading the blind here. EVs won't last very long. And people who bought them will soon look back and ask themselves how stupid they were for getting one.
 
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Serves these fools right! The blind leading the blind here. EVs won't last very long. And people who bought them will soon look back and ask themselves how stupid they were for getting one.


2008

In 2008 Tesla Motors released its first car, the completely electric Roadster. In company tests, it achieved 245 miles (394 km) on a single charge, a range unprecedented for a production electric car.

Tesla, Inc. | History, Cars, Elon Musk, & Facts | Britannica​

 
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