The good and the bad. At the risk of P. off some on this forum, I just needed to say this. This morning I picked up my latest issue of Times Mag.

[jimbo1313R]

for those of you who have not seen it, the cover had a picture of Jimmy Carter. I thought, how ironic, this man who very few can question his decency and his love for his fellow humans and who spent his life as a Christian, helping others'

At the same time, a criminal and braggard, who appears intent on trying to ruin the country is being inaugurated as the Presideni of the U.S.. He got elected in part because once again one candidate had little opposition.

His pardoning this evening of the January 5th insurrectionists was no surprise, just one criminal pardoning others.

Please note I said nothing about the Carter Presidency, that was a minor part of his life.

 

[gatordad3]

 

[FresnoGator]

for those of you who have not seen it, the cover had a picture of Jimmy Carter. I thought, how ironic, this man who very few can question his decency and his love for his fellow humans and who spent his life as a Christian, helping others'

At the same time, a criminal and braggard, who appears intent on trying to ruin the country is being inaugurated as the Presideni of the U.S.. He got elected in part because once again one candidate had little opposition.

His pardoning this evening of the January 5th insurrectionists was no surprise, just one criminal pardoning others.

Please note I said nothing about the Carter Presidency, that was a minor part of his life.

thank you for your opinion, Jimbo, always appreciated.

Although Jimmy Carter did do some nice things for Habitat for Humanity, he was a virulent antisemite throughout his life and used his influence as a former president to create havoc in the Middle East and allow Hamas and Hezbollah to gain and stay in control. He vouched for dictators and those with horrific human rights records.. you can make a very good case that Jimmy was a pretty awful human being because he surrounded himself with awful human beings and spoke up for them.

If you think it was wrong of Donald Trump to pardon the January 6 supposed insurrectionists, how do you feel about Joe Biden pardoning Fauci and his entire crime family and a bunch of other people who are clearly criminals, on his way out the door. He is a coward and an insult to excrement everywhere.

Donald Trump got elected because people were tired of seeing America going down the toilet. Kamala had no plan no policies and no principles and if we're being objectively honest she was really one of the stupidest people to ever hold public office like lamp post stupid. For goodness sake., she wanted to tax unrealized capital gains, that's about the most communist thing you can do and the stupidest ...

 

[Illegal-shift]

We are way beyond "who is a criminal".

Its "us against them" in this country.......and neither side is shy about backing criminal behavior if it is helping them win. Nobody appears to really care about what is right, wrong, legal or illegal. The only thing that matters is if the individual is helping us get our way (because, of course, both sides are so sure they are right). There are numerous examples from both sides.

The sad, sad reality of where we are now.......and it won't get any better anytime soon.

 

[FresnoGator]

We are way beyond "who is a criminal".

Its "us against them" in this country.......and neither side is shy about backing criminal behavior if it is helping them win. Nobody appears to really care about what is right, wrong, legal or illegal. The only thing that matters is if the individual is helping us get our way (because, of course, both sides are so sure they are right). There are numerous examples from both sides.

The sad, sad reality of where we are now.......and it won't get any better anytime soon.

you are most likely correct! But one view is that it has gotten dramatically worse over the last four years and it has no choice but to get better since it essentially right now is at the bottom ...

 

[jimbo1313R]

thank you for your opinion, Jimbo, always appreciated.

Although Jimmy Carter did do some nice things for Habitat for Humanity, he was a virulent antisemite throughout his life and used his influence as a former president to create havoc in the Middle East and allow Hamas and Hezbollah to gain and stay in control. He vouched for dictators and those with horrific human rights records.. you can make a very good case that Jimmy was a pretty awful human being because he surrounded himself with awful human beings and spoke up for them.

If you think it was wrong of Donald Trump to pardon the January 6 supposed insurrectionists, how do you feel about Joe Biden pardoning Fauci and his entire crime family and a bunch of other people who are clearly criminals, on his way out the door. He is a coward and an insult to excrement everywhere.

Donald Trump got elected because people were tired of seeing America going down the toilet. Kamala had no plan no policies and no principles and if we're being objectively honest she was really one of the stupidest people to ever hold public office like lamp post stupid. For goodness sake., she wanted to tax unrealized capital gains, that's about the most communist thing you can do and the stupidest ...

Fresno, you are one of my favorite people on the Board so I will only say, if I live long enough, which is extremely doubtful, lets see together the damage Trump does that isn't stopped by his own subjects or the Supreme court. Let's start with him deporting immigrants born in this this country, I was raised in England because my parent were on vacation and I was Born in the Bronx. I do not believe that will fly, nor should it. Opening the Arctic Wildlife area for drilling, with no concern to what could happen in case of a huge explosion. .Withdrawing from the Paris accord because he doesn't believe in Global warming. That is just a couple of examples.... Before he is finished the world will be able to see what we have turned loose on this country.

 

[FresnoGator]

Fresno, you are one of my favorite people on the Board so I will only say, if I live long enough, which is extremely doubtful, lets see together the damage Trump does that isn't stopped by his own subjects or the Supreme court. Let's start with him deporting immigrants born in this this country, I was raised in England because my parent were on vacation and I was Born in the Bronx. I do not believe that will fly, nor should it. Opening the Arctic Wildlife area for drilling, with no concern to what could happen in case of a huge explosion. .Withdrawing from the Paris accord because he doesn't believe in Global warming. That is just a couple of examples.... Before he is finished the world will be able to see what we have turned loose on this country.

Jimbo, I am a big fan of yours as well, it just seems to me that we stand on opposite sides of all of the examples you've used. I am especially cynical about the Paris accord because at its root it is just a money grab. There is no consensus about what can be done by man to improve the climate that is changing. Is the climate changing absolutely is there anything we can do about it not definitively they can't even predict the weather a week from now or are they gonna predict it 50 years from now and the idea of doing something because we have to do something without empirical data that it will do any good that's a waste of time, sorry.

And for the record, I hope you live a good long time from this point forth ....

 

[Illegal-shift]

you are most likely correct! But one view is that it has gotten dramatically worse over the last four years and it has no choice but to get better since it essentially right now is at the bottom ...

My opinion is that it has gotten dramatically worse over the last 8 years.......and that we are not close to the bottom yet.

 

[Illegal-shift]

Jimbo, I am a big fan of yours as well, it just seems to me that we stand on opposite sides of all of the examples you've used. I am especially cynical about the Paris accord because at its root it is just a money grab. There is no consensus about what can be done by man to improve the climate that is changing. Is the climate changing absolutely is there anything we can do about it not definitively they can't even predict the weather a week from now or are they gonna predict it 50 years from now and the idea of doing something because we have to do something without empirical data that it will do any good that's a waste of time, sorry.

And for the record, I hope you live a good long time from this point forth ....

Not sure I get your logic here Fres..........you are not "sure" we can do something about it.......so lets do nothing? You wait for "proof" and its going to be too late.....your POV is self defeating.

I look at my children and soon grandchildren and.....well, this attitude rings incredibly selfish. I want them to know we did EVERYTHING we could to try and make it right......even if that fails.

Instead we sit here and fiddle as Rome burns.

 

[FresnoGator]

Not sure I get your logic here Fres..........you are not "sure" we can do something about it.......so lets do nothing? You wait for "proof" and its going to be too late.....your POV is self defeating.

I look at my children and soon grandchildren and.....well, this attitude rings incredibly selfish. I want them to know we did EVERYTHING we could to try and make it right......even if that fails.

Instead we sit here and fiddle as Rome burns.

You show me definitively that there's anything we can do to make a difference and I would take a serious look at it. Right now there's nothing out there. If we do the best we can to be good citizens, but there's no proof of getting rid of oil and gas is going to do anything about the planet. Sorry, but this is exactly like throwing shit against the wall. And seeing with sticks.

The cleanest and easiest way to meet our energy goals is to use nuclear energy, but half the people are afraid of it. It is far better than these non-renewable things like wind and solar. That's what we can do and the Paris accord doesn't address any of that. It's just a big scam.

 

[Illegal-shift]

You show me definitively that there's anything we can do to make a difference and I would take a serious look at it. Right now there's nothing out there. If we do the best we can to be good citizens, but there's no proof of getting rid of oil and gas is going to do anything about the planet. Sorry, but this is exactly like throwing shit against the wall. And seeing with sticks.

The cleanest and easiest way to meet our energy goals is to use nuclear energy, but half the people are afraid of it. It is far better than these non-renewable things like wind and solar. That's what we can do and the Paris accord doesn't address any of that. It's just a big scam.

So if you came down with terminal cancer.......and doc says the only thing we can try is an experimental drug.......maybe a 20% chance of success.

Your attitude is going to be....F' it......if you can't prove to me it works I don't want you to try? I don't want to throw shit at the wall?

What do we really lose by trying? Some money?

Going to be tough to explain that one to my grandson if things do go bad. We didn't try to stop this because it was going to downgrade the kind of car we got to drive around in.

 

[FresnoGator]

So if you came down with terminal cancer.......and doc says the only thing we can try is an experimental drug.......maybe a 20% chance of success.

Your attitude is going to be....F' it......if you can't prove to me it works I don't want you to try? I don't want to throw shit at the wall?

What do we really lose by trying? Some money?

Going to be tough to explain that one to my grandson if things do go bad. We didn't try to stop this because it was going to downgrade the kind of car we got to drive around in.

That all sounds great but there's nowhere near a 20% chance of success it has a 0% chance of success and no that's not worth throwing everything against the wall for. And I am sorry, but your premise throughout that entire section sounds like disingenuous tripe to me. As long as China and india and South America exponentially outpollute the US, it will never work. The Paris Accord is a grift for income redistribution and a globalist wet dream, benchmarks are voluntary and rich countries (us) pay out the wazoo. Anyone who would agree to this is insane or stupid or both.

To answer your question, I don't know what I would do. I would think about it long and hard and I do realize that desperate times call for desperate measures, but I would need to see some evidence of success even anecdotal success before I considered it. You cannot provide anything credible when it comes to the climate in terms of success not yet at least. And you never have any chance of it if the rest of the world pollutes. Tell your grandson that, since it's the truth ...

 

[Capt Ron 1]

Fresno, you are one of my favorite people on the Board so I will only say, if I live long enough, which is extremely doubtful, lets see together the damage Trump does that isn't stopped by his own subjects or the Supreme court. Let's start with him deporting immigrants born in this this country, I was raised in England because my parent were on vacation and I was Born in the Bronx. I do not believe that will fly, nor should it. Opening the Arctic Wildlife area for drilling, with no concern to what could happen in case of a huge explosion. .Withdrawing from the Paris accord because he doesn't believe in Global warming. That is just a couple of examples.... Before he is finished the world will be able to see what we have turned loose on this country.

Jimbo, may I be the first person to tell you that just like Joe Biden….. YOU HAVE LOST YOUR MIND. Probably your mind is gone because of your advanced age. Not making fun of you because it happens to most of us if we live long enough. “Deport immigrants born in the USA”? You just posted THE DUMBEST thing I have read on these boards in my 18 years of reading them. I quit reading that stupid chit when I got to that. Either you are dumber than a red brick, or have lost your mind. Oh, and Jimmy Carter is a POS in my eyes. He damaged the Countryvi love, so F him.

 

[fatman76]

We are way beyond "who is a criminal".

Its "us against them" in this country.......and neither side is shy about backing criminal behavior if it is helping them win. Nobody appears to really care about what is right, wrong, legal or illegal. The only thing that matters is if the individual is helping us get our way (because, of course, both sides are so sure they are right). There are numerous examples from both sides.

The sad, sad reality of where we are now.......and it won't get any better anytime soon.

Let’s see…one group funded illegal gain of function research and killed potentially tens of millions to stay in power.

The other group got too rowdy at a protest and two of them were killed

You’re right, EXACTLY SAME THING.

 

[fatman76]

So if you came down with terminal cancer.......and doc says the only thing we can try is an experimental drug.......maybe a 20% chance of success.

Your attitude is going to be....F' it......if you can't prove to me it works I don't want you to try? I don't want to throw shit at the wall?

What do we really lose by trying? Some money?

Going to be tough to explain that one to my grandson if things do go bad. We didn't try to stop this because it was going to downgrade the kind of car we got to drive around in.

How much Co2 are the wild fires in CA putting out this year? How about over the last 10 - how much Co2 did wildfires emit?

What about volcanic eruptions? How does this compare to the “cars we drive around in”?

How many coal plants is China building and bringing online?

What has that done to global temps? Why is it now Climate Change and no longer Global Warming?

You, sir, are brainwashed.

 

[fatman76]

Not sure I get your logic here Fres..........you are not "sure" we can do something about it.......so lets do nothing? You wait for "proof" and its going to be too late.....your POV is self defeating.

I look at my children and soon grandchildren and.....well, this attitude rings incredibly selfish. I want them to know we did EVERYTHING we could to try and make it right......even if that fails.

Instead we sit here and fiddle as Rome burns.

What did we do to stop China and India?

Who puts the most Co2 in the air?

 

[jsfgators]

We are at the dawn of America’s golden age. The left wing fruit cakes have been vanquished. The left is like a fighter who has punched himself out. Exhausted, leaning in for the grasp and unable to throw another punch with any juice behind it. They have thrown everything they have and their opponent still stands tall in the middle of the ring. Now we go for the throat. Nothing less than total victory will suffice.

 

[gatordad3]

We are at the dawn of America’s golden age. The left wing fruit cakes have been vanquished. The left is like a fighter who has punched himself out. Exhausted, leaning in for the grasp and unable to throw another punch with any juice behind it. They have thrown everything they have and their opponent still stands tall in the middle of the ring. Now we go for the throat. Nothing less than total victory will suffice.

You described @Mdfgator

 

[Orangeclad]

Why am I a skeptic on climate change, and not to whether it's occurring because it's constantly occurring, but to it's causation and solution? I am a skeptic because I do not trust that government is gonna give me
the truth on anything rather than give me half truths or lies to support an agenda driven line of thinking.

I have been telling my wife for many years that the greatest shortage of anything on earth is TRUTH, pure unadulterated truth.

You don't have to look back in the history books for examples when we all just have experienced one of earth's and our country's greatest crisis, that being Covid. Lies, lies, and more lies from the World Health Organization and then from health agencies in our own country. Look at the harm done to our own people because of wrong information or flat out lies. Be sure and stay 6 feet apart. Just made up bull s**t. And now the main source of lies just got a pardon.

The point is that I have zero faith in any govt entity telling me the whole truth if it runs counter to the agenda that is being pushed. So why the hell should I believe govt telling me anything about causes and solutions to climate change, an interesting phrase in itself which can be used more universally than the previous global warming.

 

[GatorTheo]

I'm not sure a strong, ethical leader could make it thru the process for either party. A lot of good people probably don't even want to try.

I feel like we need an independent or third party candidate but all those people seem a bit wacko.

As far as the divisiveness, I blame the Obama administration for making it OK for Americans to hate America.

I hope Vance turns out to be good. I generally like DeSantis too although he's disappointed me on occasion.

 

[GatorTheo]

We are at the dawn of America’s golden age. The left wing fruit cakes have been vanquished. The left is like a fighter who has punched himself out. Exhausted, leaning in for the grasp and unable to throw another punch with any juice behind it. They have thrown everything they have and their opponent still stands tall in the middle of the ring. Now we go for the throat. Nothing less than total victory will suffice.

Pardoning rioters isn't a good opening move.

Every time a republican wins, we think we've put the left away then the republicans start shooting themselves in the foot and the pendulum swings right back the other way.

 

[Orangeclad]

Pardoning rioters isn't a good opening move.

Every time a republican wins, we think we've put the left away then the republicans start shooting themselves in the foot and the pendulum swings right back the other way.

He campaigned on pardoning those people and won the election and has now done what he said he was going to do. Complete opposite of Biden lies that he wouldn't pardon and then does.

 

[GatorTheo]

He campaigned on pardoning those people and won the election and has now done what he said he was going to do. Complete opposite of Biden lies that he wouldn't pardon and then does.

I agree that he tends to do what he says he's going to do.

 

[Capt Ron 1]

Pardoning rioters isn't a good opening move.

Every time a republican wins, we think we've put the left away then the republicans start shooting themselves in the foot and the pendulum swings right back the other way.

PROTESTORS.....and since the / committee admitted guilt when they accepted their pardons...lets holf off here until it comes out what REALLY happened. I do not believe we have even close to the real story.