Why are you Noles on here constantly bitching about something reported by ESPN.
Not Florida.RIVALS.Com or any poster.
Go to the ESPN board and bitch to them. They reported it. Not us.
Stay classy, Brad Lawing
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Not Florida.RIVALS.Com or any poster.
Go to the ESPN board and bitch to them. They reported it. Not us.
We need to stop acting like butt hurt children. F$U owns us right now with an average coach, its UF's responsibilty to turn the tide. Neither Lawing or Manual are the problem
When I Google Shavar Manuel grade concerns nothing but message board posts after he switched comes up. Nothing from ESPN.
Evidently UF believed he would qualify since he had an offer.
I think it was childish for Lawing to say what he did....but just because other coaches don't say it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. And, personally, the fans are the ones that get worked up about the words. The coaches are living it. I seriously doubt Lawing's comments will have much impact compared to Cook running it in to the endzone with 20 second left to rub UF's nose in it. UF coaches weren't very happy about that and said as much. UF staff has had to learn a lesson the hard way this year against FSU. I bet they won't have to learn that lesson twice. Welcome to the series, Mac.
BTW, Fowler made a point to rub it in one more time this week what he did back in 2012.
http://collegespun.com/acc/florida-...ate-with-a-throwback-photo-of-his-signing-day
Of course, unless he is suiting up for UF next year, it is really not important or relevant.
I am sure Cook and Manuel will be laughing at UF for the rest of their lives, too, for what they did to UF on signing day (or running up the score).
There are no innocents in the wars between UF and FSU.
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Manuel does have grade concerns. Period. But, UF accepted his offer the second week of January and suddenly the first week of February there are concerns? Hopefully, that nonsense is coming from the UF fan base and not the UF coaches. UF was willing to take a chance that he would qualify. That is a fact, or they would not have accepted his offer 3 weeks ago.
Having said that, I would not be surprised if he never shows up on FSU campus, except to visit friends.
It is an NCAA violation for coaches to talk about a specific recruit prior to signing day. The nole just desperately trying to rationalize the behavior of representatives of his school. In the grand scheme of things, coaching a kid to lie is pretty minor for fsu, They are probably happy to "have such an upstanding representative" of their university.
This is Lawing being Lawing. He did it with Fowler and now Manuel. It is petty and low class, and he has now done it as a coach on both sides.
My proof you may ask. I am an alum of Lakewood high school as is Fowler and Ghost. The Difference though is that Lakewood HC Corey Moore was in my graduating class and we had a couple of conversations.
My proof you may ask. I am an alum of Lakewood high school as is Fowler and Ghost. The Difference though is that Lakewood HC Corey Moore was in my graduating class and we had a couple of conversations.
Again you are talking about a Gator player, not a coach. Your team will get theirs, just watch. I'm sure you will be no where near this message board once it happens though
Duh. I was talking about Fowler not announcing it....decommiting. Then there was some rumor the week after signing period going around the Gator message boards that Jimbo lied to Fowler and that is why Fowler did him dirty. Whatever. It's funny, Gator fans were laughing about the incident then and now Manuel is serious business. The bottomline is, Fowler is ancient history. He doesn't play for UF anymore and won't cause us no worry. Cook on the other hand....
Perhaps at some point, but no Gator can look a Nole in the eye and say with a straight face when that is going to happen. Your coach might be the second coming of Knute Rockne, but he won't survive a 4th mediocre class without Defensive Tackles and decent offensive linemen. Your primary rivals, including FSU, just created more of a gap in talent than already existed.
Lawing was still at South Carolina during Fowler's recruitment.
That said, anyone that thinks that the Fowler situation doesn't compare to the Manuel situation is being willfully obtuse. Fowler didn't 'switch' on signing day. There had been smoke about a potential switch for weeks prior to NSD and all the while he insisted he was still an FSU commit. Whether he did it on his own or the coaching staff told him to, he still did it, the coaches knew it and they didn't tell him to knock it off or to publicly commit. They were complicit, at worst though again, anyone who honestly, sincerely believes he wasn't encouraged to keep quiet about it is walking around blind without a cane. Same with Treon for that matter. Whispers leading up to NSD... switch on signing day, IIRC.
I do feel bad for Coach Mac as that was on Muschamp's staff and probably 'deserved' to happen to him instead of Mac, but whatever. All is fair in love and recruiting.
I find that hard to believe that secret agent muschamp didn't tip off his vacation buddy from out west that Fowler was flipping. Glad to be rid of chump and looking forward to spanning that azz now that he's at SC. Here's to hoping UF NEVER hired another coach who graduated from rival schools.
All this nole finger pointing at Fowler....I'm not even talking about that, and I'm not talking about Manual either. Like I said, I know kids flip all the time but if a coach flat out tells a recruit to lie then that is low class and scummy. And if Fowler was told to lie then that coach is a scumbag too.
What an asinine post. Who is saying anything about what you posted? HUH? I'm pointing out the scumbag tactics of a coach and we should all be condemning it equally no matter who he coaches for.
Try to stay on topic, capiche? Good freaking grief.
But I get it, you can't waste a good opportunity to keep spewing your constant doom and gloom.
You need to buck up Mr. Negative Nelly. Ain't nobody here saying things are perfect, but don't you realize the freakin' dark days are over?!?!? We suffered through 4 years of leadship ineptitude and an almost apocalyptic destruction of our program. Our new guy is not only literally building a new offense from scratch, but he is redefining the culture and identity of our program that was completely stripped away. (Not to mention that he somehow magically won the east title in year one despite all the adversity.)
Are you actually looking at the pieces he is assembling? How 'bout placing a little more focus on what this dude is doing right given the amazingly difficult task he was handed rather than wallowing in an unfounded despair. After Mustard, you deserve to allow yourself a period of happiness. We all do.
Like I said the the rest of my post that you didn't quote, if a kid does it that is one thing. If a coach tells a kid to lie, well....all I can say is that f you are happy he is representing your school then you meet the stereotype of the fsu fan that many of us on here talk about.
Any one else find it ironic that in a thread about a coach telling a kid to lie that several noles have posts that also contain lies?
I am just a little surprised that you are surprised by this. Lawing just happened to publicly voice what UF and FSU coaches do to each other....frequently. There are only a handful of rivalries that are on the level of acrimony that FSU and UF have towards each other. You have to know this, right?
Well, of course, I never said that I was happy about it, did I? It's more convenient for you to make that argument. I will repeat that I think him saying it was childish. But, it is a fantasy to think this and much worse hasn't and doesn't happen. Most coaches aren't drunk or stupid enough to say it out loud, like Lawing. Fowler was used as an example. Some of the filthiest mudslinging towards FSU was during the Urban Meyer era, who told lie after lie to recruits about our staff. Maybe we felt it more, b/c he dominated FSU during that period. Probably the same reason you are sensitive to it now.
But if you don't believe both staffs do scummy things to each other, then you live in a bubble. Just b/c the bear doesn't always drop a deuce in public doesn't mean he isn't doing it in the woods.
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Who said anything about our coach, all I said is F$U has an average coach and absolutely owns us in all aspects. Recruiting is a scumbag business, Saban, Harbaugh, Meyer, yup, all scumbags. You are choosing one DL coach to target? What about Harbaugh's sleepovers, or his spring practice at IMG? Or hiring Rashan Gary high school coach on his staff? Getting the mother of a Stanford transfer a job at Michigan?
Go to TOS and look at the top players in Fla for next year. Yup Dumbo (an average coach) and Meyer are already crushing us in state. Its our job to change that. Its not Jimbo, Harbaugh, Meyer or Lawings fault. Maybe is one high school kid in the state knew of one of our coaches we wouldn't struggle so much.
And outside of 2013, I am not sure this past bowl game and loss to F$U didn't rank right up there with 'dark days'. We are falling behind in the talent race, deny it, act like it doesn't matter, but 'good' classes that 'meet needs' aren't going to cut it when 4 of your yearly opponents are continually landing great classes.
What does it matter what I know or don't know....the point is Lawing is a douche and was probably a douche when he was at UF.
I'll paste my first post in this thread. Obvious I don't "live in a bubble."
I know recruiting is a dirty business, but to me this crossed the line. For adults to tell a kid to lie like that just shows their lack of character. Also, where were his parents in this? They should put their foot down and call out the coach.
I like this thread. We are real close to solving this critical issue.
Let's recap:
UF: FSU is scum, recruits dirty.
FSU: no we aren't, UF did the same thing.
Let's recap:
UF: FSU is scum, recruits dirty.
FSU: no we aren't, UF did the same thing.
Pass, good thread. Got anything in the hopper for next week?
I agree, this thread is awesome. Like we really have the only moron coach in the country. Ours just got liquored up and ran his mouth.
Not deflecting anything. I said more than once it's not my style. The thread is gold though. Gators on Noles. Gators on Gators. A Dawg fan chimed in and the last Cane fan on earth even got his Spanish to English translator out to join in. Trying to give you kudos.
LOL! I was looking for a cane fan the other day and Bigfoot told me they didn't exist! Lol
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