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Senator Manchin single handedly dooms humanity...

How would anyone know? 😂

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Hey give @BSC911 credit, he hasn't made any major gaffes with the socks since the @theswamp15 debacle.
 
He's just another roll-over lying PoS that used a pipeling to WV as his sell-out excuse for being a liar and a traitor to his oath of office.

Was anyone really surprised by this???
 
He's just another roll-over lying PoS that used a pipeling to WV as his sell-out excuse for being a liar and a traitor to his oath of office.

Was anyone really surprised by this???
you are spot on....he is a democrat, which means he will lie when the truth would work better.
 
No goofball. People invent new medicines to sell to Pharma's. That is literally where the money comes from.

Outside investors will usually fund the research. It's not a charity. They're betting that the new medicine will be sold to a pharmaceutical company...get this....so they can make a profit. Crazy, right? Sometimes the Pharma will fund the research entirely but that is less common.

Without Pharmaceutical money, the research money from investors will not flow. How do you not understand this?

You're the perfect example of the intersection of obstinance & ignorance.

Big Pharma DOES NOT fund innovation in medical drugs
It is NOT "literally where the money comes from"

Big Pharma $13 billion
NIH (US Taxpayer) $39 billion

The real question is how do you not understand this?

This from the Stat article I provided that you wouldn't or couldn't read...

We scoured the companies’ 2017 annual reports. A total of 62 products — 44 from Pfizer and 18 from J&J — were listed in them. The discovery and early development work were conducted in house for just 10 of Pfizer’s 44 products (23%), as listed in Table 1. Only two of J&J’s 18 leading products (11%) were discovered in house, as shown in Table 2.

Research leading to the discovery and development of other Pfizer and J&J drugs originated in universities and academic centers. J&J’s highest-selling product, infliximab (Remicade), is a monoclonal antibody that was synthesized by researchers at New York University in 1989 in collaboration with the biotechnology company Centocor. The original work showing its efficacy in rheumatoid arthritis was led by Marc Feldmann and Ravinder Maini at Imperial College London.

Our finding that few of the top-selling drugs made by Pfizer and J&J had been discovered in-house complements a recent Government Accountability Office report examining where large pharmaceutical companies spend most of their research dollars. It is also consistent with the latest member survey conducted by PhRMA, which indicated that last year only $13 billion was spent on preclinical studies — the basic and translational science that is the foundation for the discovery of innovative drugs.

That is only a fraction of the $39.2 billion taxpayers spent to support the medical research conducted by the National Institutes of Health. More than 80% of the NIH’s funding is awarded through almost 50,000 competitive grants to more than 300,000 researchers at 2,500+ universities, medical schools, and other research institutions in every state and around the world.
While it is important to give fair consideration to the cost and risk involved in the development of new drugs, Pfizer and J&J were mostly buying drugs that had already been shown to have efficacy.

The lack of in-house innovation at Pfizer and J&J is relevant to current efforts in the Senate (S. 2543) to limit annual drug price increases to the rate of inflation, and in the House of Representatives (H.R. 3) to cap drug price increases and limit prices based on what is charged for the same drug in other developed countries.

Large pharmaceutical manufacturers have claimed that enactment of this legislation would be an “innovation killer” and trigger a “nuclear winter for the U.S. biopharmaceutical ecosystem.” And President Trump tweeted late last month that the Pelosi drug pricing bill “doesn’t do the trick. FEWER cures! FEWER treatments!”

…Pelosi and her Do Nothing Democrats drug pricing bill doesn’t do the trick. FEWER cures! FEWER treatments! Time for the Democrats to get serious about bipartisan solutions to lowering prescription drug prices for families…
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 22, 2019




If our findings are representative of the level of innovation at other large pharmaceutical manufacturers, a reduction in pharmaceutical revenues would not have the supposed devastating impact on the level of biopharmaceutical innovation. Rather, a reduction in revenues as a result of lower drug prices may reduce the astronomical acquisition prices now being paid by the large manufacturers to acquire innovations made by others.

But the biopharmaceutical ecosystem will continue to thrive as long as those who actually innovate are provided with the resources to do so while those who play other roles in bringing new drugs to market are fairly compensated for their contributions to those aspects of the development process.

As a recent report from the National Academies of Medicine concluded, “drugs that are not affordable are of little value and drugs that do not exist are of no value.” The problem of affordability will not be solved if Congress continues to succumb to questionable assertions by lobbyists claiming that excessively high drug prices are essential to maintaining biopharmaceutical innovation.

Passage of legislation to curb ridiculously high medication prices and price increases will not only make medicines more accessible to patients but will also reduce government expenditures on drugs by more than $345 billion dollars over 10 years, according to the Congressional Budget Office. That will enable the government to make greater investments in NIH and produce an even more robust biomedical innovation ecosystem than now exists.
 
Not only do you disregard policemen (many with police science degrees) but you further insult him by calling him a Mall Cop. That's rich. Policemen have to be part chemist, part psychologist, part guardian, part judge, part jury, part executioner within seconds or they may get killed in the line of duty.

The requirements for being a cop are a high school diploma.
The majority of cops (70%) only have the minimum requirement

https://thehill.com/opinion/crimina...grees,education correlates with good behavior.
College for cops? Studies show it helps their behavior, stress levels
BY C. RONALD KIMBERLING, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR - 06/24/20 8:00 AM ET

Despite research that demonstrates police officers with at least two years of college education are much less likely to be the subject of misconduct complaints, and less likely to use force as their first option to gain compliance, many police and sheriff’s departments still hire recruits with only a high school diploma. In my own village and county in Chicago’s western suburbs, neither the village police department nor the county sheriff’s department require any college credits.

This is unfortunate. As John L. Hudgkins has noted in The Baltimore Sun, “There are serious questions as to whether a modern democracy can survive without better prepared law enforcement officials able to handle the stresses of the job without overreacting.”

In a study of disciplinary cases against Florida officers, the International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP) noted that, “Officers with only high school educations were the subjects of 75 percent of all disciplinary actions. Officers with four-year degrees accounted for 11 percent of such actions.”

Since approximately 30 percent of officers have achieved four-year college degrees, the results of the Florida study appear to provide strong evidence that higher education correlates with good behavior.
A separate study found that officers with undergraduate degrees performed on par with officers who had 10 years of additional experience.
 
The requirements for being a cop are a high school diploma.
The majority of cops (70%) only have the minimum requirement

https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/504075-college-for-cops-studies-show-it-helps-their-behavior-stress-levels/#:~:text=Officers with four-year degrees,education correlates with good behavior.
College for cops? Studies show it helps their behavior, stress levels
BY C. RONALD KIMBERLING, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR - 06/24/20 8:00 AM ET

Despite research that demonstrates police officers with at least two years of college education are much less likely to be the subject of misconduct complaints, and less likely to use force as their first option to gain compliance, many police and sheriff’s departments still hire recruits with only a high school diploma. In my own village and county in Chicago’s western suburbs, neither the village police department nor the county sheriff’s department require any college credits.

This is unfortunate. As John L. Hudgkins has noted in The Baltimore Sun, “There are serious questions as to whether a modern democracy can survive without better prepared law enforcement officials able to handle the stresses of the job without overreacting.”

In a study of disciplinary cases against Florida officers, the International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP) noted that, “Officers with only high school educations were the subjects of 75 percent of all disciplinary actions. Officers with four-year degrees accounted for 11 percent of such actions.”

Since approximately 30 percent of officers have achieved four-year college degrees, the results of the Florida study appear to provide strong evidence that higher education correlates with good behavior.
A separate study found that officers with undergraduate degrees performed on par with officers who had 10 years of additional experience.
They have to get through rigorous academy training. That's not just physically demanding, but state law certified officers have completed several college credits up to 12 hours with forensic sciences. You couldn't do it.
 
You're the perfect example of the intersection of obstinance & ignorance.

Big Pharma DOES NOT fund innovation in medical drugs
It is NOT "literally where the money comes from"

Big Pharma $13 billion
NIH (US Taxpayer) $39 billion

The real question is how do you not understand this?

This from the Stat article I provided that you wouldn't or couldn't read...

We scoured the companies’ 2017 annual reports. A total of 62 products — 44 from Pfizer and 18 from J&J — were listed in them. The discovery and early development work were conducted in house for just 10 of Pfizer’s 44 products (23%), as listed in Table 1. Only two of J&J’s 18 leading products (11%) were discovered in house, as shown in Table 2.

Research leading to the discovery and development of other Pfizer and J&J drugs originated in universities and academic centers. J&J’s highest-selling product, infliximab (Remicade), is a monoclonal antibody that was synthesized by researchers at New York University in 1989 in collaboration with the biotechnology company Centocor. The original work showing its efficacy in rheumatoid arthritis was led by Marc Feldmann and Ravinder Maini at Imperial College London.

Our finding that few of the top-selling drugs made by Pfizer and J&J had been discovered in-house complements a recent Government Accountability Office report examining where large pharmaceutical companies spend most of their research dollars. It is also consistent with the latest member survey conducted by PhRMA, which indicated that last year only $13 billion was spent on preclinical studies — the basic and translational science that is the foundation for the discovery of innovative drugs.

That is only a fraction of the $39.2 billion taxpayers spent to support the medical research conducted by the National Institutes of Health. More than 80% of the NIH’s funding is awarded through almost 50,000 competitive grants to more than 300,000 researchers at 2,500+ universities, medical schools, and other research institutions in every state and around the world.
While it is important to give fair consideration to the cost and risk involved in the development of new drugs, Pfizer and J&J were mostly buying drugs that had already been shown to have efficacy.

The lack of in-house innovation at Pfizer and J&J is relevant to current efforts in the Senate (S. 2543) to limit annual drug price increases to the rate of inflation, and in the House of Representatives (H.R. 3) to cap drug price increases and limit prices based on what is charged for the same drug in other developed countries.

Large pharmaceutical manufacturers have claimed that enactment of this legislation would be an “innovation killer” and trigger a “nuclear winter for the U.S. biopharmaceutical ecosystem.” And President Trump tweeted late last month that the Pelosi drug pricing bill “doesn’t do the trick. FEWER cures! FEWER treatments!”






If our findings are representative of the level of innovation at other large pharmaceutical manufacturers, a reduction in pharmaceutical revenues would not have the supposed devastating impact on the level of biopharmaceutical innovation. Rather, a reduction in revenues as a result of lower drug prices may reduce the astronomical acquisition prices now being paid by the large manufacturers to acquire innovations made by others.

But the biopharmaceutical ecosystem will continue to thrive as long as those who actually innovate are provided with the resources to do so while those who play other roles in bringing new drugs to market are fairly compensated for their contributions to those aspects of the development process.

As a recent report from the National Academies of Medicine concluded, “drugs that are not affordable are of little value and drugs that do not exist are of no value.” The problem of affordability will not be solved if Congress continues to succumb to questionable assertions by lobbyists claiming that excessively high drug prices are essential to maintaining biopharmaceutical innovation.

Passage of legislation to curb ridiculously high medication prices and price increases will not only make medicines more accessible to patients but will also reduce government expenditures on drugs by more than $345 billion dollars over 10 years, according to the Congressional Budget Office. That will enable the government to make greater investments in NIH and produce an even more robust biomedical innovation ecosystem than now exists.

The irony of you calling me obstinate and ignorant and then following up with this nonsense. 😂

Those who will not read have no advantage over those who cannot read.

As I CLEARLY stated, the Pharma's themselves do not conduct the vast majority of the research on new drugs themselves. Research companies funded through investors carry most of that load.

Why do investors and research companies do that? Because they hope to sell their new drugs to Pharma's.

So yes, the money from Pharma's is still what drives this....you dolt. Without the potential of the Pharma payout, the vast majority of drug development ceases.

You will no doubt be too ignorant and obstinate to hear and understand what I just said but it is 100% fact.

Reality remains unchanged by your unwillingness to accept it. You're simply proving yourself to be a more ridiculous person than we've previously given you credit for.
 
The requirements for being a cop are a high school diploma.
The majority of cops (70%) only have the minimum requirement

https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/504075-college-for-cops-studies-show-it-helps-their-behavior-stress-levels/#:~:text=Officers with four-year degrees,education correlates with good behavior.
College for cops? Studies show it helps their behavior, stress levels
BY C. RONALD KIMBERLING, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR - 06/24/20 8:00 AM ET

Despite research that demonstrates police officers with at least two years of college education are much less likely to be the subject of misconduct complaints, and less likely to use force as their first option to gain compliance, many police and sheriff’s departments still hire recruits with only a high school diploma. In my own village and county in Chicago’s western suburbs, neither the village police department nor the county sheriff’s department require any college credits.

This is unfortunate. As John L. Hudgkins has noted in The Baltimore Sun, “There are serious questions as to whether a modern democracy can survive without better prepared law enforcement officials able to handle the stresses of the job without overreacting.”

In a study of disciplinary cases against Florida officers, the International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP) noted that, “Officers with only high school educations were the subjects of 75 percent of all disciplinary actions. Officers with four-year degrees accounted for 11 percent of such actions.”

Since approximately 30 percent of officers have achieved four-year college degrees, the results of the Florida study appear to provide strong evidence that higher education correlates with good behavior.
A separate study found that officers with undergraduate degrees performed on par with officers who had 10 years of additional experience.

Some agencies do require an associates degree or a 4 year degree.

Right now, because of people like you, most agencies have to take what they can get, due to a low applicant flow, because few people are willing to serve and protect.

Instead of pissing and moaning about it, why don't you strap on a badge and a gun and come show us how it's done?

Of course you could just continue to wax ignorantly instead, like you do on every other topic.
 
The irony of you calling me obstinate and ignorant and then following up with this nonsense. 😂

Those who will not read have no advantage over those who cannot read.

As I CLEARLY stated, the Pharma's themselves do not conduct the vast majority of the research on new drugs themselves. Research companies funded through investors carry most of that load.

Why do investors and research companies do that? Because they hope to sell their new drugs to Pharma's.

So yes, the money from Pharma's is still what drives this....you dolt. Without the potential of the Pharma payout, the vast majority of drug development ceases.

You will no doubt be too ignorant and obstinate to hear and understand what I just said but it is 100% fact.

Reality remains unchanged by your unwillingness to accept it. You're simply proving yourself to be a more ridiculous person than we've previously given you credit for.
This is not rocket science for anyone with a computer.......or hell, a smart phone. There is a lot of sifting through government funded bullshit like shrimp on treadmills.😂


Businesses perform and fund most of the overall R&D in the United States as well as most of the applied research and experimental development. Higher education is the second-largest performer of R&D and performs the largest share of basic research; the federal government is the second-largest funder of R&D and funds the largest share of basic research. While federal R&D funding of basic research has increased since 2000, the proportion of R&D funded by the federal government has declined. Eight federal departments and agencies together account for most of the federal R&D spending.

 
LOL....you cite some general statement about R&D funding in all sciences?

Big Pharma DOES NOT fund R&D in new medical drug development

And the profits that come overcharging the US Medicare market goes into stock buybacks, dividends, and employee compensation long before they go into R&D or M&A
 
LOL....you cite some general statement about R&D funding in all sciences?

Big Pharma DOES NOT fund R&D in new medical drug development

And the profits that come overcharging the US Medicare market goes into stock buybacks, dividends, and employee compensation long before they go into R&D or M&A
What? NCSES.NSF.GOV isn't good enough for you? And what part of Bama's reference to private equity venture funding did you miss?

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What? NCSES.NSF.GOV isn't good enough for you?

Its not speaking of R&D funding of new medical drugs its referring to general R&D funding in industries of all types




And what part of Bama's reference to private equity venture funding did you miss?

Bama says that Big Pharma funds innovative drug development thru overcharging Medicare...that's not private equity but thanks for helping to prove my point

Again here are the numbers in 2017

Big Pharma $13 billion (25%)
NIH (US taxpayer) $39 billion (75%)

If you add in private equity then Big Pharma is contributing less than 25% of R&D funding for new drugs

Once you let that sink into your skull you can read the other article I attached which show you that raising drug prices on the non-US market would go farther in furthering innovation than overcharging the US market more
 
Some agencies do require an associates degree or a 4 year degree.

Right now, because of people like you, most agencies have to take what they can get, due to a low applicant flow, because few people are willing to serve and protect.

So are you claiming that the percentage of college educated cops was higher in the past?


Instead of pissing and moaning about it, why don't you strap on a badge and a gun and come show us how it's done?

I wouldn't take that step down in profession

Of course you could just continue to wax ignorantly instead, like you do on every other topic.

Still claiming that we have to overcharge Medicare to get innovative drugs? LOL


Meanwhile, here's another example of the "highly regulated" law enforcement industry

So highly regulated its unions prevent prior records of bad cops from being an impediment to being hired


https://www.yahoo.com/news/documents-show-savannah-police-didnt-090223722.html
Documents show Savannah Police didn't fully vet officer who later shot, killed Carver Village man
Drew Favakeh, Savannah Morning News
Wed, August 3, 2022 at 7:58 AM·4 min read

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A pre-employment background check of the Savannah Police officer who killed a Carver Village man in June failed to note a series of documented incidents at a previous job as a corrections officer, including three use-of-force violations.

According to personnel records from the Coastal State Prison, where the officer, Ernest Ferguson, worked prior to join SPD in March 2021, Ferguson also received written reprimands from prison supervisors as well as a warden's letter of concern.

None of those disciplinary reports were mentioned in the background investigation either.

Since his hiring at SPD, Ferguson has been reprimanded for failing to activate his body-worn camera in at least three incidents — sparking two internal disciplinary reviews and one internal counseling form — and misused his department-issued taser while off-duty at home.

The SPD pre-employment background investigation is intended to evaluate an applicant’s integrity, ethical conduct, honesty, prejudices, financial responsibility and past personal behavior. According to the synopsis of the background investigation, the investigator found “no disqualifying derogatory information per guidelines” for Ferguson, and recommended he be hired.

City of Savannah personnel records show Ferguson, a Northwest Precinct patrol officer, joined the Savannah Police Department on March 15, 2021.

Officer's time at Coastal State Prison filled with use-of-force incidents​

Ferguson resigned from Coastal State Prison on March 3, 2021, according to his Coastal State Prison personnel file. Ferguson told the SPD background investigator that his his reason for leaving the prison was a “desire to police on the street.”

“My work in corrections has only boosted my desire to police on the street,” wrote Ferguson in a questionnaire that was part of the pre-employment background check.

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Ferguson remains on paid administrative leave while the Georgia Bureau of Investigation investigates the fatal shooting of Saudi Arai Lee, 31, on June 24 near the intersection of West Gwinnett and Magazine streets. SPD also is conducting a separate internal investigation.

Ferguson worked as a corrections officer at Coastal State Prison from February 2020 to March 2021. He also had two periods of employment as a corrections officer with the Alabama Department of Corrections, from March 2016 to March 2018 and February 2019 through May 2019. He has previous experience as a police officer, working for the University of Alabama-Birmingham campus police from March 2018 to December 2018.

Ferguson's conduct upon moving to Savannah and joining the staff of Coastal State Prison is marked by use-of-force incidents. Additional Coastal State Prison personnel records obtained by the Savannah Morning News reveal, among other findings, that Ferguson failed to follow supervisor’s commands to stop using force, shoved an inmate against a wall and used an arm-bar to take down an inmate.

One month before Ferguson's resignation, and after multiple use-of-force incidents, the warden threatened to decrease Ferguson’s pay.

Asked on his background investigation whether he had any conflicts in his work history, Ferguson wrote, “Never.” Then Coastal State Prison Lieutenant Tiffany Houston wrote Ferguson "follows policy & procedure w/current safety measures.”

Houston also called Ferguson a “hard worker, multi-tasker, team player" and someone “driven to succeed.”

In a reference letter to SPD, another corrections officer who worked with Ferguson at Coastal State Prison said he was a "no nonsense type of guy," who they called on "whenever there is a disturbance or issues dealing with inmates." The same corrections officer said Ferguson was “known to be patriotic," "with good personal integrity,” and he had “very diverse” friends, “but none that are troublesome.”
 
People incapable of reading a newspaper article usually whine about cutting & pasting

Is it too many words for you? 🤣
 
Yeah because you think >25% contribution to drug R&D means Big Pharma should be allowed to gouge Americans thru Medicare

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Manchin the liar

Over 230 economists warn Manchin's spending bill will perpetuate inflation​

Economic experts claim that Manchin's Inflation Reduction Act will actually make inflation worse​

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What’s this from the CBO?


Democrats’ plan would decrease deficit by more than $100B: CBO​



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LOL....you cite some general statement about R&D funding in all sciences?

Big Pharma DOES NOT fund R&D in new medical drug development

And the profits that come overcharging the US Medicare market goes into stock buybacks, dividends, and employee compensation long before they go into R&D or M&A

Who do the researchers and investors sell the new drugs to?

That's a simple question. Let's see if you're man enough to answer it.
 
Who do the researchers and investors sell the new drugs to?

That's a simple question. Let's see if you're man enough to answer it.
Just when I thought no lower information poster than BScuck could exist, Little Dickey comes by and says HOLD MY BEER! Wow. It's a dead heat! 😂
 
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So are you claiming that the percentage of college educated cops was higher in the past?

I'm saying that I specifically know of agencies that required a minimum of 2 years of college education that no longer do so. Even with the lowered standards, they cannot fill their needs.


I wouldn't take that step down in profession

Good choice...you couldn't handle the job. You would be eaten alive.

BTW, I was a Regional VP for a Fortune 500 company and I was on the short list for Senior VP when I cashed out and retired. I started in law enforcement 2 weeks later.

So I've been in both worlds...the one you're pretending to belong to and the one you look down your nose at. People like you don't last long in my previous profession and not at all in my current.

No worries, if you hear something go bump in the night just call us...real men will come to the rescue. You are welcome sir. You can even talk smack after we leave. 😂
 
Just when I thought no lower information poster than BScuck could exist, Little Dickey comes by and says HOLD MY BEER! Wow. It's a dead heat! 😂

I'm still of the opinion that it's the same dude.

This sock does have more of a paid instigator flair about him, however. But bsc had that too...just lazier.
 
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I'm still of the opinion that it's the same dude.

This sock does have more of a paid instigator flair about him, however. But bsc had that too...just lazier.
BScuck is still trying to rest his laurels on his sad failed thread. If Insta just deleted half of his Poopy Joe admissions before God and country about Ukrainian corruption, his page count would be down to about 10 pages. 😂
 
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BScuck is still trying to rest his laurels on his sad failed thread. If Insta just deleted half of his Poopy Joe admissions before God and country about Ukrainian corruption, his page count would be down to about 10 pages. 😂
Now that's too big of a lie to let pass nuttygator. My one post per page is not what's carrying that thread, it's all of his daily bitch-slappers that are keeping it going.... 😏
 
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