SEC is playing chess, everybody else is....

[PacoGator19]

playing checkers.

- National Champ
- 8-2 in Bowls
- 4 teams in top 10 in the final poll (LSU, UGA, UF, Bama)
- 6 teams in the top 10 in recruiting with a 7th team at #11.
- Major new TV contract deal that is going to be out of this world big, which will just give even more money to the SEC programs.

It’s good and bad news

 

[GatorNation79]

The SEC is on fire.

 

[Gator Fever]

I think with A&M likely to move up next season the SEC West will be a murderer's row for some years to come. 4 of the 8 teams will have a real high talent level and coaches that have won or at least got their team in a National Championship game.

Leach and Kiffin are interesting head coaching choices but its hard to see how they can succeed with 4 teams in your division like that.

 

[GatorNation79]

I think with A&M likely to move up next season the SEC West will be a murderer's row for some years to come. 4 of the 8 teams will have a real high talent level and coaches that have won or at least got their team in a National Championship game.

Leach and Kiffin are interesting head coaching choices but its hard to see how they can succeed with 4 teams in your division like that.

You just have to win every game these days. Pending your schedule and conference 1 loss can work but you need to win the conference...at least in the SEC. If you're in the pac 12, Mountain West, Big 12...if you don't go undefeated your're probably out unless the NCAA goes to 8 teams.

 

[PacoGator19]

The SEC is on fire.

Yes it is insane

 

[PacoGator19]

I think with A&M likely to move up next season the SEC West will be a murderer's row for some years to come. 4 of the 8 teams will have a real high talent level and coaches that have won or at least got their team in a National Championship game.

Leach and Kiffin are interesting head coaching choices but its hard to see how they can succeed with 4 teams in your division like that.

Exactly why I said Pittman at UGA is in big big trouble even before he starts at Arky

 

[Countygator1]

SEC West could be more brutal than usual next season. LSU, Bama, Auburn and AM all legit contenders.

 

[LizardGrad89]

You just have to win every game these days. Pending your schedule and conference 1 loss can work but you need to win the conference...at least in the SEC. If you're in the pac 12, Mountain West, Big 12 or even the SEC...if you don't go undefeated your're probably out unless the NCAA goes to 8 teams.

If they go to 8 teams the SEC will have 3 in fairly often, and always at least 2.

 

[LizardGrad89]

SEC West could be more brutal than usual next season. LSU, Bama, Auburn and AM all legit contenders.

LSU takes a step back without the Joe Show, Auburn always craps their pants when they are expected to be good, and three loss Fischer is still at A&M. Even Bama needs to find a QB, but in Saban we trust until proven otherwise.

 

[GatorNation79]

LSU takes a step back without the Joe Show, Auburn always craps their pants when they are expected to be good, and three loss Fischer is still at A&M. Even Bama needs to find a QB, but in Saban we trust until proven otherwise.

LSU always has players...if they keep a good QB they can be Bama over the past decade...they really lucked out with Burrow, guy was incredible this year. Crazy to me...over the last 20 years all of their QB's have been average or suck. Burrow ripped it up this year. It was fun to watch...except for when they beat us!

 

[GatorNation79]

LSU takes a step back without the Joe Show, Auburn always craps their pants when they are expected to be good, and three loss Fischer is still at A&M. Even Bama needs to find a QB, but in Saban we trust until proven otherwise.

Not really this year but LSU always has a guy on the defensive line like Nic Foley at Auburn that's just wrecking shop...all the skill positions are incredible too. O Line is usually good but usually guys like J Russel who is terrible and shows up in certain games and plays well. Hopefully they don't get another great QB...it's the only thing they have been missing in my lifetime.

I'm a man, I'm 40!

 

[Gator Fever]

The SEC West has 3 teams with national championships this past decade and all 3 teams had multiple championship game appearances. They also have filled 50% of the slots in the national championship game this past decade.

 

[sadgator]

It gives sadgator not one bit of joy or satisfaction that another SEC team other than Florida won a National Title.

 

[Gator Fever]

It gives sadgator not one bit of joy or satisfaction that another SEC team other than Florida won a National Title.

Depends on the team for me. I definitely root against Bama since Saban has won so many.

 

[fsu939913]

I will nvr understand the sec love fest you guys have for your conf. Why would you want your conf better than you? Makes no sense. Its crazy you care so much about teams you play lol i just cant do it. I hope the acc teams suck ass every yr

 

[IrishPokerDog]

I will nvr understand the sec love fest you guys have for your conf. Why would you want your conf better than you? Makes no sense. Its crazy you care so much about teams you play lol i just cant do it. ?

I hope the acc teams suck ass every yr

Didn’t you start a thread ACC, ACC, ACC!!!

Lulz

 

[LizardGrad89]

It gives sadgator not one bit of joy or satisfaction that another SEC team other than Florida won a National Title.

1. Florida!!!
2. Not Georgia or FSU
3. Meh.

 

[PacoGator19]

I will nvr understand the sec love fest you guys have for your conf. Why would you want your conf better than you? Makes no sense. Its crazy you care so much about teams you play lol i just cant do it. I hope the acc teams suck ass every yr

Why would you want to play a bunch of sucky teams and games all the time? Isn’t that boring? It’s the exact reason why the SEC is good because there are so many rivalries and great games and great time.
It’s why the SEC is about to get another new monster TV deal that’s going to allow the SEC to pull even further ahead. Nobody is paying any big money or has any interest in watching ACC games or Big 12 games.

 

[fsu939913]

Why would you want to play a bunch of sucky teams and games all the time? Isn’t that boring? It’s the exact reason why the SEC is good because there are so many rivalries and great games and great time.
It’s why the SEC is about to get another new monster TV deal that’s going to allow the SEC to pull even further ahead. Nobody is paying any big money or has any interest in watching ACC games or Big 12 games.

I wouldnt say "nobody". Millions of people watch the ACC. Fsu is constantly one of the most watched teams. As far as the tv money, its not that its the "best". As you said, its about viewers. The SEC has more not because they are better, but because the sec is located in the south in towns where there is nothing else to do and football is all that matter. See Nebraska as ana example. They sold out what? 30 some yrs straight even tho they suck. Now the fact that the sec has been winning the most also favors them. However, the sec constantly gets the bengit of the doubt with the rankings. Its been proven time and time and time and time again. Bama drops 2.5 spots in the polls on average per loss, other sec teams on avg dropped 5.5 while every other conf drops above 7 on avg. There is a huge bias and you wont ever be able to see it because it benefits you. Only National champ in modern era with 2 losses is an SEC team. Only teams to have gotten beaten at home and then played the same team again in the national title is SEC teams (UF 96 and Bama when they lost at home to LSU). I dont think anyone would argue that the sec hasnt been the best conference over the past 20 yrs but there has been a clear bias towards sec teams with scheduling, penalties by ncaa, rankings, money, etc... Hell OBJ is handing out cash to LSU players after the game and i guarantee nothing haplens to LSU. If that was Virginia they would be on probation for 8 yrs. There is just a ton of bias towards the sec and i dont expect you to see it because you are a fan and the most bias people are fans. See PSU fans trying to defend the recent allegations against its players. There are 2 facts that can be true at the same time, the sec has been the best but there has been bias for sec that has made it easier for them when there shouldnt have been. Both of those are facts.

 

[PacoGator19]

I wouldnt say "nobody". Millions of people watch the ACC. Fsu is constantly one of the most watched teams. As far as the tv money, its not that its the "best". As you said, its about viewers. The SEC has more not because they are better, but because the sec is located in the south in towns where there is nothing else to do and football is all that matter. See Nebraska as ana example. They sold out what? 30 some yrs straight even tho they suck. Now the fact that the sec has been winning the most also favors them. However, the sec constantly gets the bengit of the doubt with the rankings. Its been proven time and time and time and time again. Bama drops 2.5 spots in the polls on average per loss, other sec teams on avg dropped 5.5 while every other conf drops above 7 on avg. There is a huge bias and you wont ever be able to see it because it benefits you. Only National champ in modern era with 2 losses is an SEC team. Only teams to have gotten beaten at home and then played the same team again in the national title is SEC teams (UF 96 and Bama when they lost at home to LSU). I dont think anyone would argue that the sec hasnt been the best conference over the past 20 yrs but there has been a clear bias towards sec teams with scheduling, penalties by ncaa, rankings, money, etc... Hell OBJ is handing out cash to LSU players after the game and i guarantee nothing haplens to LSU. If that was Virginia they would be on probation for 8 yrs. There is just a ton of bias towards the sec and i dont expect you to see it because you are a fan and the most bias people are fans. See PSU fans trying to defend the recent allegations against its players. There are 2 facts that can be true at the same time, the sec has been the best but there has been bias for sec that has made it easier for them when there shouldnt have been. Both of those are facts.

Don’t really agree with much of anything in your post but that’s ok. Yes there is so much more to do in towns like Tally, Blacksburg, Durham, Raleigh, Charlottesville, Winston Salem, etc. They are all college towns just like many of the SEC schools are located.
By the way the NCAA really does nothing. I don’t seem much happening to UNC with all their basketball scandals, etc. There may be a little bias towards the SEC but that is because in football the conference produces. Honestly you are just kind of making a bunch of excuses.
It’s like the ACC in basketball. That’s what the ACC is good at. I’m not running around claiming bias or making excuses for it.

 

[GatorNation79]

I will nvr understand the sec love fest you guys have for your conf. Why would you want your conf better than you? Makes no sense. Its crazy you care so much about teams you play lol i just cant do it. I hope the acc teams suck ass every yr

lmao...it's conference pride I guess. It's the measuring stick. I doubt Gator fans want other teams in the conference to win when we're out...except UGA...I hope they lose and Tennessee isn't a real program anymore but I like seeing them lose too.

 

[GatorNation79]

I wouldnt say "nobody". Millions of people watch the ACC. Fsu is constantly one of the most watched teams. As far as the tv money, its not that its the "best". As you said, its about viewers. The SEC has more not because they are better, but because the sec is located in the south in towns where there is nothing else to do and football is all that matter. See Nebraska as ana example. They sold out what? 30 some yrs straight even tho they suck. Now the fact that the sec has been winning the most also favors them. However, the sec constantly gets the bengit of the doubt with the rankings. Its been proven time and time and time and time again. Bama drops 2.5 spots in the polls on average per loss, other sec teams on avg dropped 5.5 while every other conf drops above 7 on avg. There is a huge bias and you wont ever be able to see it because it benefits you. Only National champ in modern era with 2 losses is an SEC team. Only teams to have gotten beaten at home and then played the same team again in the national title is SEC teams (UF 96 and Bama when they lost at home to LSU). I dont think anyone would argue that the sec hasnt been the best conference over the past 20 yrs but there has been a clear bias towards sec teams with scheduling, penalties by ncaa, rankings, money, etc... Hell OBJ is handing out cash to LSU players after the game and i guarantee nothing haplens to LSU. If that was Virginia they would be on probation for 8 yrs. There is just a ton of bias towards the sec and i dont expect you to see it because you are a fan and the most bias people are fans. See PSU fans trying to defend the recent allegations against its players. There are 2 facts that can be true at the same time, the sec has been the best but there has been bias for sec that has made it easier for them when there shouldnt have been. Both of those are facts.

I don't disagree with most of your points...yeah there is a bias but for a reason...the consistent competition over the last 20 years is on another level compared to other conferences. It's not even up for debate. Doesn't mean FSU, Clemson, OSU, OU, Michigan and USC and others aren't good and great at times but when it comes down to it...from top to bottom the SEC is better than the other conferences and it's been happening for a long time. It's why the SEC has the best coaches from top to bottom...pay the most from top to bottom. At the end of the day if you don't win the conference and are in the playoffs a lot of it doesn't matter. Being in the discussion is important and some of these things go in waves. I just have to disagree with you that for the last few years the reason why almost half or most of the teams that finish in the top 10-15 are from the SEC are because they are the better teams in the country.

 

[PacoGator19]

Correct. I don’t pull for the other SEC teams to win. I don’t really want any other SEC teams to win titles. They just do! It is what it is.

 

[fsu939913]

I don't disagree with most of your points...yeah there is a bias but for a reason...the consistent competition over the last 20 years is on another level compared to other conferences. It's not even up for debate. Doesn't mean FSU, Clemson, OSU, OU, Michigan and USC and others aren't good and great at times but when it comes down to it...from top to bottom the SEC is better than the other conferences and it's been happening for a long time. It's why the SEC has the best coaches from top to bottom...pay the most from top to bottom. At the end of the day if you don't win the conference and are in the playoffs a lot of it doesn't matter. Being in the discussion is important and some of these things go in waves. I just have to disagree with you that for the last few years the reason why almost half or most of the teams that finish in the top 10-15 are from the SEC are because they are the better teams in the country.

Agreed

 

[fsu939913]

Don’t really agree with much of anything in your post but that’s ok. Yes there is so much more to do in towns like Tally, Blacksburg, Durham, Raleigh, Charlottesville, Winston Salem, etc. They are all college towns just like many of the SEC schools are located.
By the way the NCAA really does nothing. I don’t seem much happening to UNC with all their basketball scandals, etc. There may be a little bias towards the SEC but that is because in football the conference produces. Honestly you are just kind of making a bunch of excuses.
It’s like the ACC in basketball. That’s what the ACC is good at. I’m not running around claiming bias or making excuses for it.

There is 100% a bias for the ACC in bball tho.

 

[LizardGrad89]

Why would you want to play a bunch of sucky teams and games all the time? Isn’t that boring? It’s the exact reason why the SEC is good because there are so many rivalries and great games and great time.
It’s why the SEC is about to get another new monster TV deal that’s going to allow the SEC to pull even further ahead. Nobody is paying any big money or has any interest in watching ACC games or Big 12 games.

TV deals are like being asked to prom.

So who is going to garner more interest?

SEC

ACC

 

[IrishPokerDog]

I wouldnt say "nobody". Millions of people watch the ACC. Fsu is constantly one of the most watched teams. As far as the tv money, its not that its the "best". As you said, its about viewers. The SEC has more not because they are better, but because the sec is located in the south in towns where there is nothing else to do and football is all that matter. See Nebraska as ana example. They sold out what? 30 some yrs straight even tho they suck. Now the fact that the sec has been winning the most also favors them. However, the sec constantly gets the bengit of the doubt with the rankings. Its been proven time and time and time and time again. Bama drops 2.5 spots in the polls on average per loss, other sec teams on avg dropped 5.5 while every other conf drops above 7 on avg. There is a huge bias and you wont ever be able to see it because it benefits you. Only National champ in modern era with 2 losses is an SEC team. Only teams to have gotten beaten at home and then played the same team again in the national title is SEC teams (UF 96 and Bama when they lost at home to LSU). I dont think anyone would argue that the sec hasnt been the best conference over the past 20 yrs but there has been a clear bias towards sec teams with scheduling, penalties by ncaa, rankings, money, etc... Hell OBJ is handing out cash to LSU players after the game and i guarantee nothing haplens to LSU. If that was Virginia they would be on probation for 8 yrs. There is just a ton of bias towards the sec and i dont expect you to see it because you are a fan and the most bias people are fans. See PSU fans trying to defend the recent allegations against its players. There are 2 facts that can be true at the same time, the sec has been the best but there has been bias for sec that has made it easier for them when there shouldnt have been. Both of those are facts.

TLDR

 

[ocalaman]

playing checkers.

- National Champ
- 8-2 in Bowls
- 4 teams in top 10 in the final poll (LSU, UGA, UF, Bama)
- 6 teams in the top 10 in recruiting with a 7th team at #11.
- Major new TV contract deal that is going to be out of this world big, which will just give even more money to the SEC programs.

It’s good and bad news

And when you look at the number of national titles won by the SEC during the FBS/BCS era, plus the fact that 5 different programs have at least 1, it's not even close as to which conference stands heads and shoulders above the rest. Sure, from time to time another powerhouse team will rise up from another conference to win the title (Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma), or another conference will have a season where they have a bunch of really good teams, but the consistency and quality of depth of the SEC cannot honestly be challenged.

 

[Evergladesgator]

Don’t really agree with much of anything in your post but that’s ok. Yes there is so much more to do in towns like Tally, Blacksburg, Durham, Raleigh, Charlottesville, Winston Salem, etc. They are all college towns just like many of the SEC schools are located.
By the way the NCAA really does nothing. I don’t seem much happening to UNC with all their basketball scandals, etc. There may be a little bias towards the SEC but that is because in football the conference produces. Honestly you are just kind of making a bunch of excuses.
It’s like the ACC in basketball. That’s what the ACC is good at. I’m not running around claiming bias or making excuses for it.

it’s all about the money. Boosters in SEC load their schools with dollars. Thus SEC gets best coaches, best facilities, best athletes, best TV contracts. It is what it is. Go Gators!

 

[fsu939913]

TLDR

You 100% read every word. Sry for ur loss

 

[fsu939913]

And when you look at the number of national titles won by the SEC during the FBS/BCS era, plus the fact that 5 different programs have at least 1, it's not even close as to which conference stands heads and shoulders above the rest. Sure, from time to time another powerhouse team will rise up from another conference to win the title (Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma), or another conference will have a season where they have a bunch of really good teams, but the consistency and quality of depth of the SEC cannot honestly be challenged.

Again, the sec bias allowed the sec more chances to win those titles. Yes they won them but the constant "gifts" they were given over the yrs didnt hurt. This was an almost yearly basis. As you said, the depth and top end teams is most consistent in the sec but topple that with 2nd and 3rd chances that other conferences dont get, it just creates a snowball effect. I would like to see a cap on how much teams can spend on coaches/recruiting/ facilities each yr. I think the cap should be high but you cant have one conference where a team gets 100 mill a yr for a tv co tract and another conference gets 25 mill... It just wont be fun to watch because the competitiveness will go down.

 

[Gator Fever]

Again, the sec bias allowed the sec more chances to win those titles. Yes they won them but the constant "gifts" they were given over the yrs didnt hurt. This was an almost yearly basis. As you said, the depth and top end teams is most consistent in the sec but topple that with 2nd and 3rd chances that other conferences dont get, it just creates a snowball effect. I would like to see a cap on how much teams can spend on coaches/recruiting/ facilities each yr. I think the cap should be high but you cant have one conference where a team gets 100 mill a yr for a tv co tract and another conference gets 25 mill... It just wont be fun to watch because the competitiveness will go down.

Heck until the voters did the right thing at the end of 2006 despite ESPNs nonsense the SEC wasn't getting anything handed to them. Prior to the BCS it was mostly luck of the draw on where teams could play other teams with the bowl lock-ins for conference champs. Bama shouldn't have got a rematch with LSU over Oklahoma State since they weren't a conference champ imo however.

The Rose Bowl I think kept #1 from playing #2 except for that Nebraska game where we got smoked those few years of the Bowl alliance.

 

[Nicktheslick]

It’s really simple. If you can succeed in the SEC you get national exposure and have a really good shot at the next level. These high school kids know this. They are 17 years old. They have grown up watching it.

 

[PacoGator19]

Again, the sec bias allowed the sec more chances to win those titles. Yes they won them but the constant "gifts" they were given over the yrs didnt hurt. This was an almost yearly basis. As you said, the depth and top end teams is most consistent in the sec but topple that with 2nd and 3rd chances that other conferences dont get, it just creates a snowball effect. I would like to see a cap on how much teams can spend on coaches/recruiting/ facilities each yr. I think the cap should be high but you cant have one conference where a team gets 100 mill a yr for a tv co tract and another conference gets 25 mill... It just wont be fun to watch because the competitiveness will go down.

Well get ready for it. It’s gonna happen which is why the SEC will continue to be the best conference and have the best teams because they are just going to have much more money than everybody else. It’s basically turning into NFL Lite.

 

[fsu939913]

Well get ready for it. It’s gonna happen which is why the SEC will continue to be the best conference and have the best teams because they are just going to have much more money than everybody else. It’s basically turning into NFL Lite.

Its turning into the MLB

 

[Justpeachy7]

I will nvr understand the sec love fest you guys have for your conf. Why would you want your conf better than you? Makes no sense. Its crazy you care so much about teams you play lol i just cant do it. I hope the acc teams suck ass every yr

Because whether you like it or not, conference perceived strength matters a lot when teams get ranked. The SEC has been able to back it up with wins. Bama, in the last few years, got the benefit of a doubt because they were in the SEC and that gave them an opportunity to play for national championships. It may one day(hopefully soon) help UF get in the playoffs.

Maybe when the ACC can ever go 8-2 and/or have great bowl seasons over and over again on a continual basis you will understand.

Clemson is an exception for the ACC... they have been getting the benefit of the doubt because they beat bama. It's less likely that any other undefeated ACC team will be in the playoffs if there are 4 other power conference teams that are undefeated. Unless it's a bad loss, a 1 loss bama/lsu/Auburn is going in the playoffs instead of any ACC undefeated team that's not Clemson.


You know what the funny thing is though? This conference pride "stuff" existed far longer than people really care to acknowledge. I remember when it FIRST got national attention as something to consider.........it was when LSU won the national championship in 2007 and the players were circling/posing next to an SEC sign and started the chant "SEC SEC SEC". THAT'S when everything really kicked off in high gear. Before this happened, conference pride existed but it was kind of an unspoken thing. NOW, pride in other teams within a conference existed before this as well. I only have to go back to the prior year to show an example. Urban Meyer had to get on national television to make a plea for UF to play OSU for the championship, instead of it being a rematch between OSU and Michigan. Fans of those teamS didn't even think UF belonged on the same field as OSU(apparently Michigan did though, I guess). There's your conference pride right there.

 

[LizardGrad89]

Heck until the voters did the right thing at the end of 2006 despite ESPNs nonsense the SEC wasn't getting anything handed to them. Prior to the BCS it was mostly luck of the draw on where teams could play other teams with the bowl lock-ins for conference champs. Bama shouldn't have got a rematch with LSU over Oklahoma State since they weren't a conference champ imo however.

The Rose Bowl I think kept #1 from playing #2 except for that Nebraska game where we got smoked those few years of the Bowl alliance.

The Rose Bowl was our friend in 1996.

Rankings before the bowls were
1 FSU
2 Arizona State
3 UF
4 Ohio State

Had there been a #1 and a #2 game FSU would have won the title because ASU was not really all that and would have gotten smoked. But, fortunately, the Rose took #2 and #4, paving the way for us to reign supreme.

 

[GatorNation79]

Because whether you like it or not, conference perceived strength matters a lot when teams get ranked. The SEC has been able to back it up with wins. Bama, in the last few years, got the benefit of a doubt because they were in the SEC and that gave them an opportunity to play for national championships. It may one day(hopefully soon) help UF get in the playoffs.

Maybe when the ACC can ever go 8-2 and/or have great bowl seasons over and over again on a continual basis you will understand.

Clemson is an exception for the ACC... they have been getting the benefit of the doubt because they beat bama. It's less likely that any other undefeated ACC team will be in the playoffs if there are 4 other power conference teams that are undefeated. Unless it's a bad loss, a 1 loss bama/lsu/Auburn is going in the playoffs instead of any ACC undefeated team that's not Clemson.


You know what the funny thing is though? This conference pride "stuff" existed far longer than people really care to acknowledge. I remember when it FIRST got national attention as something to consider.........it was when LSU won the national championship in 2007 and the players were circling/posing next to an SEC sign and started the chant "SEC SEC SEC". THAT'S when everything really kicked off in high gear. Before this happened, conference pride existed but it was kind of an unspoken thing. NOW, pride in other teams within a conference existed before this as well. I only have to go back to the prior year to show an example. Urban Meyer had to get on national television to make a plea for UF to play OSU for the championship, instead of it being a rematch between OSU and Michigan. Fans of those teamS didn't even think UF belonged on the same field as OSU(apparently Michigan did though, I guess). There's your conference pride right there.

Always has been conference pride in my lifetime. For the last 30 years SEC has been the best. Fans, teams, universities are insane... it's awesome. I remember Meyer making the arguing fir that game and we stomped The OSU. After that kick off return for a TD... we killed those guys.

It was awesome. We beat that ass and media was shocked...oh a guy named Mullen ran the offense.

 

[Justpeachy7]

Always has been conference pride in my lifetime. For the last 30 years SEC has been the best. Fans, teams, universities are insane... it's awesome. I remember Meyer making the arguing fir that game and we stomped The OSU. After that kick off return for a TD... we killed those guys.

It was awesome. We beat that ass and media was shocked...oh a guy named Mullen ran the offense.

I still remember a video on YouTube that a student filmed OSU reactions in the dorms. They definitely didn't want to give their thoughts after the game. Lol

 

[fsu939913]

Because whether you like it or not, conference perceived strength matters a lot when teams get ranked. The SEC has been able to back it up with wins. Bama, in the last few years, got the benefit of a doubt because they were in the SEC and that gave them an opportunity to play for national championships. It may one day(hopefully soon) help UF get in the playoffs.

Maybe when the ACC can ever go 8-2 and/or have great bowl seasons over and over again on a continual basis you will understand.

Clemson is an exception for the ACC... they have been getting the benefit of the doubt because they beat bama. It's less likely that any other undefeated ACC team will be in the playoffs if there are 4 other power conference teams that are undefeated. Unless it's a bad loss, a 1 loss bama/lsu/Auburn is going in the playoffs instead of any ACC undefeated team that's not Clemson.


You know what the funny thing is though? This conference pride "stuff" existed far longer than people really care to acknowledge. I remember when it FIRST got national attention as something to consider.........it was when LSU won the national championship in 2007 and the players were circling/posing next to an SEC sign and started the chant "SEC SEC SEC". THAT'S when everything really kicked off in high gear. Before this happened, conference pride existed but it was kind of an unspoken thing. NOW, pride in other teams within a conference existed before this as well. I only have to go back to the prior year to show an example. Urban Meyer had to get on national television to make a plea for UF to play OSU for the championship, instead of it being a rematch between OSU and Michigan. Fans of those teamS didn't even think UF belonged on the same field as OSU(apparently Michigan did though, I guess). There's your conference pride right there.

A 1 loss bama/auburn or whatever does not get in over an undefeated FSU.... Sry bud but thats already been proven. The ACC has just as many National championships over the past 6 yrs as the SEC. The fact that you believe the statement you made though shows the bias and entitlement. " a one loss sec team should get in over an undefeated ACC team and the only reason clemson gets in is because they beat bama". That has to be the most delusional thing ive heard