Sean Payton has Coronavirus
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This hype is nuts over this stuff. Its hardly even dangerous to people under 60 unless they have a lot of medical issues and the true rate of death will be just a little higher than the flu once they add their estimates on people infected but never tested in the future. This will not even do what Swine Flu did and there were no crazy lockdowns for that.
We are in the middle of the Corona virus and it's already killed as many as the swine flu. And you are right, we did nothing for H1N1 and are making heroic efforts here. So stop and think for a minute how bad this would have gotten if we hadn't taken these steps.
But hey, you are so smart, you know so much more than the CDC and the WHO, just a bunch of idiots with fancy degrees, right?
Accept the fact that this is a real actual problem and stop downplaying it.
@Gator Fever wants Steve Spurrier to die.
It's only killing old people huh? Are they not important?
You will be ok not watching sports for a few months. Even a full year possibly.
It's only killing old people huh? Are they not important?
You will be ok not watching sports for a few months. Even a full year possibly.
According to the CDC the swine flu killed roughly 17,000 Americans 2009-2010 season. They estimate between 200-500k globally. Maybe I missed something but c-19 not near those numbers yet.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-to-17000-in-u-s-report-idUSN1223579720100212
At first I thought we'd be back to touching door knobs and putting dollar bills in our mouths for strippers to remove. However it's late March and many big cities to small towns are only letting essential employees roam the streets. Life as we know it is changing in front of our eyes. At first I was glad to be classified as essential. Now there are moments I wish I was not.
I was planning on coming down to the spring game, stick around Gainesville and catch some baseball and softball. Then hitting a panhandle beach. Honestly I don't want to be in the same grocery store with 30 people. Less long 10,000 to a couple 100 sitting on the same bleachers and around cups they have had their mouths on. Things are weird. I don't want a 70 year old not making it to 85. I don't want a 30 year old with a slight weak immune system not make it to 40. I don't want an ill teenager not see their 21st birthday. Things are different. Hopefully it will be back to normal but I don't think it will be by September. Hopefully I am wrong.
Just two weeks ago I was angry we were delayed on the commitment of the Texas stud RB. Now who knows if we see a normal football season if any.
I disagree. Seen it first hand. This is way worse than the flu and they already have projections of what would have happened if we didnt shut things down. Im listening to the cdc and doctors who give information on this. We didnt quarantine during swine flu. Had we not quarantined here, it would have killed way more than 20k. You should read the research papers done on covid 19. They are eye opening.
We really don't know yet. But what we do know is that the a large majority of those have mild symptoms which means they transmit it without knowing. I am now up to 3 employees with positive tests, all under 50, and all had very mild symptoms. Got tested and sent home. It does appear to be much more dangerous for those in high risk categories, but lower for those under 40. Another challenge is there are thousands that have probably had it and never knew. At some point we have to come out of hiding.
The regular seasonal flu has infected between 38 and 54 MILLION Americans between 10/2/29 and 3/14/20 and killed between 23 & 59 THOUSAND. This is an every year deal and we don't lock down the country every winter or spend trillions of dollars that we don't have. What's going on is insane!
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm
A few of mine have it as well. All below 50. Big variance in how they are all doing. Pneumonia is a bitch. It seems like if the first wave doesnt hit you hard, you have mild symptoms. 1 of mine (34 yr old healthy male) is hospitalized because of it. No pre existing medical conditions, very healthy, struggling to breathe.
If we let covid 19 run wild (ive seen the projections) it would kill MILLIONS. not thousands..... Pretty big difference
Again, that is all just speculation. As this thing continues to play out, the mortality rate for those under 50 begins to creep closer to being below that of the flu. For those older and with issues it seems to be higher than the flu.
Swine Flu killed about 13k in the US and the flu killed about 80k in the US just a couple of years ago. This year the middle estimate is about 40k. This is flu level stuff not the plague. Some experts are even saying once estimates are done like with flu the death % will probably not be that much higher than that. Italy has a crappy ICU capacity which has bitten them before.
But it's not the flu. They don't know what it is or what it could mutate into. That's the point. Did you see the CDC or WHO try to shut down the world every winter when the flu comes around? You did not. The reaction here was different because the disease is different.
The point here is, I've got people who spend their lives working with infectious diseases telling me to stay indoors and not come into contact with people, and Gator Fever telling me it's not a big deal. Be honest, if it were you, who would you listen to?
Gator Fever know more about running a football program over Dan Mullen and knows more about a pandemic over the WHO and CDC.
BTW, we focked up royally allowing the swine flu to kill 13,000. I'm glad we aren't as stupid now.
All of the thousands in New Orleans getting ill and even dying because they held Madri Gras. You are selfish to want sports to continue to let thousands more get ill and hundreds die for your own selfish entertainment.
BTW, we focked up royally allowing the swine flu to kill 13,000. I'm glad we aren't as stupid now.
All of the thousands in New Orleans getting ill and even dying because they held Madri Gras. You are selfish to want sports to continue to let thousands more get ill and hundreds die for your own selfish entertainment.
When this is over we will realize those joke a million people could die predictions was just nonsense like was pointed out by many non-Govt experts in the field. This mess isn't even SARS dangerous to people - it's flu level dangerous to people basically. Governor's didn't lock down people like this for the big 57 pandemic and this is nothing like Spanish flu was.
You people that fell for this like our Govt and others can recommend we hole up every flu season to try to lower that 50k number a little I guess. Also this is showing so far that the no work stay at home restrictions are possibly making things worse some places putting young around old in many houses like that for too much time. The data seems to be saying it's no help over less restrictive stuff like here in FL.
DeSantis has been reasonable and we are faring good here without the real overboard stuff despite getting hit when NY did. Same with TX.
You people that fell for this like our Govt and others can recommend we hole up every flu season to try to lower that 50k number a little I guess. Also this is showing so far that the no work stay at home restrictions are possibly making things worse some places putting young around old in many houses like that for too much time. The data seems to be saying it's no help over less restrictive stuff like here in FL.
DeSantis has been reasonable and we are faring good here without the real overboard stuff despite getting hit when NY did. Same with TX.
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You are in the minority to believe that keeping younger people from staying out of crowds and then visiting older people is worse than keeping families at bay and limiting visits to nursing homes and similar. A country wide plea from healthcare workers to limit interaction due to lack of tests and supplies should be ignored just because.
They are turning convention centers, cruise ships, naval ships, etc into make shift hospitals just for the shits of it.
Just read about a cruise ship of 1,800 had 130 cases and 4 deaths. That is 4 people that could have lived had they not made a dumbass decision to be in tight quarters. Imagine if it was 30,000 people in a basketball arena. That could have been 8 dead people.
I have not really followed Florida as much but have read this morning that there are over 4,000 cases and 56 deaths. You seriously think those numbers would be lower if we allowed people to pack in concerts, Disney, Heat, Magic, Ray's, Marlin's, and college stadiums and arenas? Allowed easily oversea travels?
Your suggestion is to allow everything to be open full speed and allow large gatherings?
They are turning convention centers, cruise ships, naval ships, etc into make shift hospitals just for the shits of it.
Just read about a cruise ship of 1,800 had 130 cases and 4 deaths. That is 4 people that could have lived had they not made a dumbass decision to be in tight quarters. Imagine if it was 30,000 people in a basketball arena. That could have been 8 dead people.
I have not really followed Florida as much but have read this morning that there are over 4,000 cases and 56 deaths. You seriously think those numbers would be lower if we allowed people to pack in concerts, Disney, Heat, Magic, Ray's, Marlin's, and college stadiums and arenas? Allowed easily oversea travels?
Your suggestion is to allow everything to be open full speed and allow large gatherings?
Nope what I am saying is its looking like a lot of experts that said once the stuff has established itself in the US not to do the crazy no-work lockdowns asking people to just stay home are being proven correct all over the place anecdotally (in the US differing states and overseas in Europe) because having young people around the older people in the home even more makes transmission a lot more likely than just the younger people not being around nearly as much and being away from the home most of the time.
The ones that pushed for all these crazy level restrictions that go beyond the elderly watching out for themselves and the banning of large groups and the common sense distancing stuff are turning out to be just like the Govt research people that told us snow should have been gone in places like DC and England a few years ago and that years ago the arctic ice should have been fully gone in the Summer in the Arctic. They are just sensationalists until they can't deny things any longer. Perhaps considering the massive economic carnage that has been inflected on the western world with this they should start hearing from people also that are experts in this field and don't have all their funding tied to the govt. so we can get some truly agenda free scenarios on what is likely to happen.
The states like FL will be shook economically big time still for a while but can get on their feet faster than those states that went full hysteria crazy. Although we did have some naive Mayors etc. that for political reasons pushed more local restrictions over the state ones.
Korea showed us after the info we could get from China (even though they faked their numbers big time) that this stuff was flu level and not mutating to something more dangerous.
I'm not sure what the Artic has to do with an illness but sounds like a far fetched subject change.
I'd like to see these documents of where staying home puts older people at risk more vs people going about their normal daily lives like nothing is happening.
All of these pleas I hear daily of frontline workers healthcare workers of wanting people to stay home and socially distant have no connection to the government.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.y...ealthcare-workers-plead-people-215301862.html
A lot of hospitals have actually sent staff home since many surgeries were cancelled and those wings are empty now. The media has been gaslighting the public quite a bit with this. One of the big networks just got caught trying to pass off Italy video as if it was the US.
I think I will be right in a few weeks and it will finally dawn on people that we shut people in many places and destroyed the economy for time to come for the flu basically. Curious to see how Sweden ends up to many countries over there also not having all the strict conditions. Same here in the states with the different level rules.
That 100K to 2 million US death number they put out is an absolute joke imo.
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I don't believe I've read anywhere that "old" people are more likely to be carriers than young people? The message is older people are more likely to have severe cases or die than younger people (which is about the same for any disease)
Current projections are 100,000 to 250,000 Americans will die - that's IF we keep the current shutdown in place long enough. Substantially greater than the flu.
The death rate of the flu is 0.1%, the death rate for Covid is currently about 4.5%. However, when corrected for the unconfirmed cases (read those that have it but are untested), it is about 1.5%. Again, substantially greater than the flu.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/30/health/coronavirus-lower-death-rate/index.html
The death rate continues to drop. Each month it's lowered. According to this CNN article from yesterday it's now down to .68 vs .1 for the flu. However, the real challenge is that several people will get it and never know, so it will be hard to calculate a true rate. Remember, when this thing started they had death rates as high as 8%. And as we learn more it continues to drop...my guess is when we get a year or so down the road it will be similar to the flu. The real danger with this is that because so many people have mild symptoms it spreads way easier than the flu. When you have the flu you know it.
That may very well be. No doubt that the numbers will adjust as we get more information and the statistical models become more accurate. However, from the article: But he stressed that "it is very clear that any suggestion of COVID-19 being just like influenza is false," with coronavirus remaining far deadlier than the seasonal flu.
Agreed. .68 is higher than .1 for sure. However, I suspect that number will continue to drop. Again, easier to protect those most vulnerable from the flu as the symptoms are so horrific and it is contagious for a shorter period of time. C19 you can be contagious for a much longer period of time, another nasty little characteristic of C19.
Thus many experts saying these real strict lockdowns making the young who may have it without knowing it isn't a good idea because being in the house around the old person that much more makes it more likely the old person gets it.
Anecdotally the evidence now is it makes things worse or isn't helping anymore than the basics looking at us and the western countries in Europe with differing approaches.
I think I read Korea besides using tech to round people up that were near people with it was forcing people to quarantine away from family. That would never fly in the West unless we really had something like the plague.
I am curious to read the writings of these experts who think a young person going nowhere staying with an old person is better than a young person going about a usual daily life and then coming home to an old person is safer.
And I mean common sense should step up in this situation. Stay away from old people. Don't quarantine with them. I haven't visited my mother, stepdad, or dad since 3/10. Its basic common sense. If they need me to care for them, I'm getting tested.
The amount of young people living with 60 plus year olds is a small population. Still it seem more logical that the 40 year old still living with mommy should stay put vs going out and about and coming home to their mother.
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