Republicans View Reproductive Age Women Monolithic

[gator1776]

The transition and transformation of the republican party from an open mind to a monolithic point of you through the eyes of a pro-choice republican

The Loneliness of the Pro-Choice Republican Woman

Support for abortion rights was once seen as consistent with conservatism. But mobilizing the religious wing of the G.O.P. left some of the Party’s most loyal members out in the cold.

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[kalimgoodman]

Interesting

 

[gator1776]

There’s a counterpoint article that could be written “The loneliness of the Pro-life Democrat”……

No doubt, but that’s deflecting from the topic at hand. This has and will remain a losing issue for Republicans because the majority of Americans are pro-choice.

An unwillingness to compromise on abortion/women’s reproductive issues may lead to the death of The American Experiment

 

[fsumc]

According to these guys (no idea who these pollsters are honestly so rip it up if you want) the opinion ebbs and flows over the years.

United States - pro-choice and pro-life supporters 2023 | Statista

In 2023, 52 percent of respondents stated they consider themselves pro-choice, meaning they would leave the decision to abort a pregnancy up to the pregnant woman.

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[gator1776]

According to these guys (no idea who these pollsters are honestly so rip it up if you want) the opinion ebbs and flows over the years.

United States - pro-choice and pro-life supporters 2023 | Statista

In 2023, 52 percent of respondents stated they consider themselves pro-choice, meaning they would leave the decision to abort a pregnancy up to the pregnant woman.

www.statista.com

More than half the voters in America are women. What moderate or independent woman would support this party?

Keep watching as Georgia goes from red to purple to blue.

And one party democrat rule is the end of the American experiment due to the nature of the current democratic party. Millions of Democrats and Republicans are craving middle ground and both sides keep pulling further away from middle ground.

The GOP is massively overplaying its hand on abortion

Republicans will deeply regret Georgia's 'heartbeat' bill

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[fatman76]

More than half the voters in America are women. What moderate or independent woman would support this party?

Keep watching as George goes from red to purple to blue.

And one party democrat rule is the end of the American experiment due to the nature of the current democratic party. Millions of Democrats and Republicans are craving middle ground and both sides keep pulling further away from middle ground.

The GOP is massively overplaying its hand on abortion

Republicans will deeply regret Georgia's 'heartbeat' bill

www.google.com

I think you're doing exactly what you're accusing the Repub party of in your headline.

Is abortion an important issue? Sure it is, it's been a hotly debated topic for decades. It's one of those unsolvable conundrums in our society. There isn't a clear "correct" answer as it conflicts with individual rights, religion, ethics, personal attitudes toward when life "begins", etc.

Do women vote only with their vaginas? Ask Hillary. Abortion rights probably don't affect a 50YO woman the same way they do a 25YO woman, and some women are extremely religious and pro-life. But keep treating women as a monolith as you shake your fist at the sky at the thought of women being treated as a monolith.

And please stop reading The New Yorker. It's trash.

 

[gator1776]

I think you're doing exactly what you're accusing the Repub party of in your headline.

Is abortion an important issue? Sure it is, it's been a hotly debated topic for decades. It's one of those unsolvable conundrums in our society. There isn't a clear "correct" answer as it conflicts with individual rights, religion, ethics, personal attitudes toward when life "begins", etc.

Do women vote only with their vaginas? Ask Hillary. Abortion rights probably don't affect a 50YO woman the same way they do a 25YO woman, and some women are extremely religious and pro-life. But keep treating women as a monolith as you shake your fist at the sky at the thought of women being treated as a monolith.

And please stop reading The New Yorker. It's trash.

The margins in elections are so close now that if 1 out of every 10 women voted Dem for this topic it’s a problem.
Want proof?

Ask the 2018 Republican Congress how the Woman vote hurt them.....

 

[jfegaly]

Doc mcstuffins up early trying to stir the pot. Again, pretty simple. Compromise of values is mitt romney and john mccain. Losing strategies. But Doc is monolithic his view of Covid, and treatments, so this is a bold strategy.

 

[jfegaly]

Supreme court agrees to take up Mississippi abortion case which would ban most abortions after 15 weeks

How are you sure God is not OK with abortion? And so would you condemn all Arabs to hell because they’re not Christian? Isn’t that a matter of birth end up bringing more than choice? I have no authority to judge anyone, but if you don't follow Jesus Christ, there is no other way to paradise.

florida.forums.rivals.com

 

[gator1776]

Doc mcstuffins up early trying to stir the pot. Again, pretty simple. Compromise of values is mitt romney and john mccain. Losing strategies. But Doc is monolithic his view of Covid, and treatments, so this is a bold strategy.

Well clearly Trump compromised his values when he went from pro-choice to anti-abortion to get elected.

 

[fsumc]

The margins in elections are so close now that if 1 out of every 10 women voted Dem for this topic it’s a problem.
Want proof?

Ask the 2018 Republican Congress how the Woman vote hurt them.....

If a woman values killing a baby more than fighting marxist principles and embraces the extremism of the abortion stances of the Democrat party she should just become a Democrat. But not too many women vote on just one topic. The same goes the other way, if you’re a single topic voter then you have a pretty clear choice in front of you.

 

[jfegaly]

Well clearly Trump compromised his values when he went from pro-choice to anti-abortion to get elected.

Soooo many lives lost, soo many. Seems like doc mcstuffins is pro death. Pro killin babies anti covid treatment

 

[gator1776]

If a woman values killing a baby more than fighting marxist principles and embraces the extremism of the abortion stances of the Democrat party she should just become a Democrat. But not too many women vote on just one topic. The same goes the other way, if you’re a single topic voter then you have a pretty clear choice in front of you.

So, in essence, you agree that as Republicans and conservatives we are Monolithic in our view on abortion/female reproductive rights.

 

[kalimgoodman]

I would argue that Republicans are far more tolerant of "pro-choice" voters / politicians in the party than are Democrats of pro-lifers in their party.

Thats fair but only the Republicans constantly challenge Roe.

 

[gator1776]

Soooo many lives lost, soo many. Seems like doc mcstuffins is pro death. Pro killin babies anti covid treatment

So many defections by you in one thread. Well, I guess if you can’t argue the topic effectively that’s all you got, deflection. Deflection and Strawmen.

 

[BCSpell]

So, in essence, you agree that as Republicans and conservatives we are Monolithic in our view on abortion/female reproductive rights.

Your being monolithic is claiming ALL Conservatives and Repubs have this view.

 

[gator1776]

I would argue that Republicans are far more tolerant of "pro-choice" voters / politicians in the party than are Democrats of pro-lifers in their party.

Likely, though not universal, and deflects from the essence of the point that a monolithic uncompromising approach to abortion is dangerous for Republicans and, therefore, The American Experiment

 

[gator1776]

Your being monolithic is claiming ALL Conservatives and Repubs have this view.

Which view?

 

[fsumc]

So, in essence, you agree that as Republicans and conservatives we are Monolithic in our view on abortion/female reproductive rights.

You may want to change your thread title because it doesn’t match this statement. Are you arguing conservatives view women monolithically (i.e. they only think a certain way) or reproductive rights is black and white?

You’re kind of all over the place here.

 

[gator1776]

You may want to change your thread title because it doesn’t match this statement. Are you arguing conservatives view women monolithically (i.e. they only think a certain way) or reproductive rights is black and white?

You’re kind of all over the place here.

Well, when it comes to reproductive rights, yes I am arguing that, in general, the Republican Party views women monolithically regarding that topic.seems very consistent
The title came through inspiration from another poster 🤣

 

[jfegaly]

So many defections by you in one thread. Well, I guess if you can’t argue the topic effectively that’s all you got, deflection. Deflection and Strawmen.

I posted a link to a thread where this was already argued to a point of saturation. There is no new information. You are trying to argue that pubs need to “meet in the middle”. It’s faulty logic. Be better mcstuffins

 

[jfegaly]

You may want to change your thread title because it doesn’t match this statement. Are you arguing conservatives view women monolithically (i.e. they only think a certain way) or reproductive rights is black and white?

You’re kind of all over the place here.

Spot on. What he was really doing? Trolling. It’s what doc mcstuffins does

 

[jfegaly]

Likely, though not universal, and deflects from the essence of the point that a monolithic uncompromising approach to abortion is dangerous for Republicans and, therefore, The American Experiment

How cute, doc mcstuffins is trying to discuss the exact same topic we discussed a couple weeks ago. You were wrong then, and you’re wrong now. Another Par for mcstuffins

 

[jfegaly]

Thread is a retread of this one.

Supreme court agrees to take up Mississippi abortion case which would ban most abortions after 15 weeks

How are you sure God is not OK with abortion? And so would you condemn all Arabs to hell because they’re not Christian? Isn’t that a matter of birth end up bringing more than choice? I have no authority to judge anyone, but if you don't follow Jesus Christ, there is no other way to paradise.

florida.forums.rivals.com

 

[Orangeclad]

No doubt, but that’s deflecting from the topic at hand. This has and will remain a losing issue for Republicans because the majority of Americans are pro-choice.

An unwillingness to compromise on abortion/women’s reproductive issues may lead to the death of The American Experiment

While you tell us that the majority of Americans are pro- choice, you fail to tell us that the majority also favor abortion with restrictions. Were you unaware of that or is it your case is better if you fail to mention it. Who is the party unwilling to compromise on restrictions?

 

[gator1776]

While you tell us that the majority of Americans are pro- choice, you fail to tell us that the majority also favor abortion with restrictions. Were you unaware of that or is it your case is better if you fail to mention it. Who is the party unwilling to compromise on restrictions?

No absolutely, that’s where the compromise is, with restrictions is reasonable particularly on a state-by-state basis. But that’s not what anti-abortion advocates want.

 

[fsumc]

No absolutely, that’s where the compromise is, with restrictions is reasonable particularly on a state-by-state basis. But that’s not what anti-abortion advocates want.

The heartbeat bill isn’t a compromise? The other side thinks it’s ok to deliver a live baby and murder it by force or leave him/her on a table unattended until the child dies.

 

[jfegaly]

OP is related to Liz Cheney. Family married into Romney family. 😙

 

[Orangeclad]

No absolutely, that’s where the compromise is, with restrictions is reasonable particularly on a state-by-state basis. But that’s not what anti-abortion advocates want.

While there are anti abortion advocates who want zero abortion rights with no exceptions, I don't know how many or what percentage they constitute. I do know that every state legislature that tries to impose some sort of restriction, like Mississippi banning abortion after 15 weeks, with exceptions, are fought tooth and nail by democrats who want zero restrictions even after a baby survives the abortion. So what's the answer.

 

[fatman76]

The margins in elections are so close now that if 1 out of every 10 women voted Dem for this topic it’s a problem.
Want proof?

Ask the 2018 Republican Congress how the Woman vote hurt them.....

Wasn't that more about suburban housewives not liking how crude and aggressive Trump was than abortion?

That's a broader swath IMO.

The trouble is evangelicals are a critical conservative voting bloc too...you say you're ok with abortion and that's probably going to sting more given the size of that group. I'm pro choice, but only because I'm a libertarian-leaning conservative.

That said, some of the things that happen currently in the abortion industry make me want to puke. On the other hand, in certain instances I think it's a woman's choice to terminate an early/highly problematic/dangerous pregnancy...and it's a fundamental choice that shouldn't ever be taken away. In other words, I've taken a position but I'm not convicted as it's a tough subject.

I am in favor of certain restrictions like mandatory taxpayer funded ultrasounds prior to any abortion. I think you need to see the kid and hear the heartbeat before you make the final call. With both of my kids that was a powerful moment.

 

[Orangeclad]

Wasn't that more about suburban housewives not liking how crude and aggressive Trump was than abortion?

That's a broader swath IMO.

The trouble is evangelicals are a critical conservative voting bloc too...you say you're ok with abortion and that's probably going to sting more given the size of that group. I'm pro choice, but only because I'm a libertarian-leaning conservative.

That said, some of the things that happen currently in the abortion industry make me want to puke. On the other hand, in certain instances I think it's a woman's choice to terminate an early/highly problematic/dangerous pregnancy...and it's a fundamental choice that shouldn't ever be taken away. In other words, I've taken a position but I'm not convicted as it's a tough subject.

I am in favor of certain restrictions like mandatory taxpayer funded ultrasounds prior to any abortion. I think you need to see the kid and hear the heartbeat before you make the final call. With both of my kids that was a powerful moment.

So are you in favor of say Mississippi's stance of banning abortion after 15 weeks, with of course exceptions to that for extenuating circumstances like health reasons?

 

[fatman76]

So are you in favor of say Mississippi's stance of banning abortion after 15 weeks, with of course exceptions to that for extenuating circumstances like health reasons?

I don't know. Just after the first trimester is pretty early. Some overweight women barely know by then.

It's a hard issue to draw lines in the sand...not sure I want to get into "when life starts" debates. That's a rabbit hole that no one can prove/win.

 

[BSC911]

I don't know. Just after the first trimester is pretty early. Some overweight women barely know by then.

It's a hard issue to draw lines in the sand...not sure I want to get into "when life starts" debates. That's a rabbit hole that no one can prove/win.

That one is easy. Life starts at conception.

 

[greyghost14]

That one is easy. Life starts at conception.

Or in your case ....

.... couldn’t help it, you left yourself open

 

[BamaFan1137]

No doubt, but that’s deflecting from the topic at hand. This has and will remain a losing issue for Republicans because the majority of Americans are pro-choice.

An unwillingness to compromise on abortion/women’s reproductive issues may lead to the death of The American Experiment

I hate abortion...all of them. The practice disgusts me and I believe it's a sin each time. Also, I'm not for a law that bans abortion.

Does that make me pro-choice or pro-life? I am a Republican. I don't feel lonely.

I don't have to agree with everyone about everything.

 

[BamaFan1137]

Thats fair but only the Republicans constantly challenge Roe.

Correct. But also many don't. Democrats do not challenge Roe.

Who is monolithic on this subject again?

 

[kalimgoodman]

Correct. But also many don't. Democrats do not challenge Roe.

Who is monolithic on this subject again?

I think it's deeper than that. Obviously I can't speak for everyone but I believe the democrats gave up on making laws to stop abortion kind of what the poster is saying. There are a few democratic senators who are "pro-life".

 

[fsumc]

I think it's deeper than that. Obviously I can't speak for everyone but I believe the democrats gave up on making laws to stop abortion kind of what the poster is saying. There are a few democratic senators who are "pro-life".

Who?

 

[kalimgoodman]

Who?

Casey and Manchin

 

[BamaFan1137]

I think it's deeper than that. Obviously I can't speak for everyone but I believe the democrats gave up on making laws to stop abortion kind of what the poster is saying. There are a few democratic senators who are "pro-life".

It is deeper than that. That was my point.

For an independent, you sure seem to defend the D word more than the R word.

Look, I don't care. Just stop calling yourself something that you aren't. And I mean that you CLEARLY are not.