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Remember how we were told here that there are no side affects to the vaccines?



Bingo. This is about ginning up public support to punish the unvaxxxxed.

Funny how the spin was "I don't care if they get vaxxxxed or not, Darwin's Law' just a few weeks ago, now it's "These bastards have to get vaxxxxxed or they will KILL US ALL!"

What changed?

Sheep still asleep?
 


Bingo. This is about ginning up public support to punish the unvaxxxxed.

Funny how the spin was "I don't care if they get vaxxxxed or not, Darwin's Law' just a few weeks ago, now it's "These bastards have to get vaxxxxxed or they will KILL US ALL!"

What changed?

Sheep still asleep?
Right....they can't stand not being able to control everyone like a Stepford Wife.
 
Get ready, this is about to be the new spin...

I think this is insane but you know what it does do? It's a way to start to educate people about the side effects we're told don't exist. So I'm here for it, I hope it goes viral and we hear from all the injured and hospitalized vaccine patients.

I'll also say - for someone in Australia to have this stance is FAR different than a US Citizen...just given the way the Australian gov't has handled the pandemic. Those poor people are so beaten down that many would do anything to "end it". We get a little more freedom here.

(end it in quotes because it's flat out crazy at this point to think Covid is ever going away)
 
I think this is insane but you know what it does do? It's a way to start to educate people about the side effects we're told don't exist. So I'm here for it, I hope it goes viral and we hear from all the injured and hospitalized vaccine patients.

I'll also say - for someone in Australia to have this stance is FAR different than a US Citizen...just given the way the Australian gov't has handled the pandemic. Those poor people are so beaten down that many would do anything to "end it". We get a little more freedom here.

(end it in quotes because it's flat out crazy at this point to think Covid is ever going away)
COVID was lab created and man made with a deliberate intent and is able to mutate. Criminals funded it and the Chinese were complicit.
Those people should be hunted down, exposed, and executed.
And Fraudchi needs to be taken somewhere and tortured until he spills everything he knows.

That's about the extent of what I think as to conspiracies. Other than that, I was never here.
 
Get ready, this is about to be the new spin...

The thing is that we’re finding out more and more every day that getting the vaccine does nothing to help or protect OTHERS. Sure, there is data that backs up the fact that it can keep you from getting more serious symptoms...I’m not denying that. That’s why I have no issues with people making their own decision to get the vaccine. Both of my parents are vaccinated.

My issue is when people claim that those not getting the vaccine are somehow harming others which is a blatant lie. Vaxxed people are infecting others maybe as much as non-vaxxed.

I personally think between how infectious Delta is along with how many people already have natural immunity from previous covid infections over the past year we are going to see a sharp decline in cases over the next month. We saw this in India when they were setting records every day with 500k+ infections and then numbers dropped drastically. Now we hear literally nothing about India anymore.
 
Hush or be put on Ignore. You are acting like a brat and are no better than @BSC911 at this point.

You used to be one of the better posters here, but the vaccine talk has turned you into an emotional brat.

Grow up, or get out.
Who in the ever loving ph***are you to talk to me like that? Seriously. You're a constant little run on who labors under the impression that you're a "somebody".
Are you surrounded by people who tell you your 💩 Doesn't stink?

Talk about a brat who needs to grow up...👿

I don't need you to tell me I USED to be a good poster. I am a good poster. And one of the reasons I am is that I don't hesitate to get back in someone's face when my positions are attacked not for factual errors, but because I don't agree with you? Who died and made you boss, you socially inept, preening little fop?

All you have at the end of the day is personal attacks if someone sees an issue even a tiny bit differently. Are you sure you're not a member of the Millenial woke cancel culture?

Now walk away you insecure little MF. ( see how that works?)
 
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I think this is insane but you know what it does do? It's a way to start to educate people about the side effects we're told don't exist. So I'm here for it, I hope it goes viral and we hear from all the injured and hospitalized vaccine patients.

I'll also say - for someone in Australia to have this stance is FAR different than a US Citizen...just given the way the Australian gov't has handled the pandemic. Those poor people are so beaten down that many would do anything to "end it". We get a little more freedom here.

(end it in quotes because it's flat out crazy at this point to think Covid is ever going away)
We still have guns. Harder to mess with a hornet than a fly,
 
The thing is that we’re finding out more and more every day that getting the vaccine does nothing to help or protect OTHERS. Sure, there is data that backs up the fact that it can keep you from getting more serious symptoms...I’m not denying that. That’s why I have no issues with people making their own decision to get the vaccine. Both of my parents are vaccinated.

My issue is when people claim that those not getting the vaccine are somehow harming others which is a blatant lie. Vaxxed people are infecting others maybe as much as non-vaxxed.

I personally think between how infectious Delta is along with how many people already have natural immunity from previous covid infections over the past year we are going to see a sharp decline in cases over the next month. We saw this in India when they were setting records every day with 500k+ infections and then numbers dropped drastically. Now we hear literally nothing about India anymore.
Many counties in India also offered up Ivermectin as a prophylaxis, and that corresponded with a sharp decline in cases (note I didn’t say correlated).
 
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I don't need you to tell me I USED to be a good poster. I am a good poster.
You used to be a solid poster, but as I said since we started discussing vaccines here you've become an emotional brat. And you did that while everyone here said they COMPLETELY understood why you would want to get vaxxed. And you still acted like a child attacking myself and others simply because we expressed a POV that you didn't want to hear. Too bad.

All you have at the end of the day is personal attacks if someone sees an issue even a tiny bit differently. Are you sure you're not a member of the Millenial woke cancel culture?

Now walk away you insecure little MF. ( see how that works?)
The irony is, I am pretty sure I'm the one that got box of frogs banned after he left an absolutely horrid personal slur to.........you. It was disgusting and he deserved the boot.

Just like you now deserve the Ignore button. And the difference between yours and mine, toots? Mine is bigger than yours, and mine works. cc @jfegaly

Goodbye.
 
My issue is when people claim that those not getting the vaccine are somehow harming others which is a blatant lie. Vaxxed people are infecting others maybe as much as non-vaxxed.
What are your thoughts on the theory that the vaccine is causing 'shedding' of covid onto the unvaccinated? Is that BS or any truth to the idea?
 
What are your thoughts on the theory that the vaccine is causing 'shedding' of covid onto the unvaccinated? Is that BS or any truth to the idea?
Hard to distinguish at this point. A study needs to be done on vaccinated people who are testing negative to see if they’re shedding. Good luck with that. If it was ever proven that it was happening it would almost certainly be suppressed.

Truth is we’ll likely never know the real answer. It’s easier for them to call people who believe it “conspiracy theorists” than it would be to admit their vaccine is potentially dog shit. If that happened they know no one would ever get another vaccine again.
 
Hard to distinguish at this point. A study needs to be done on vaccinated people who are testing negative to see if they’re shedding. Good luck with that. If it was ever proven that it was happening it would almost certainly be suppressed.

Truth is we’ll likely never know the real answer. It’s easier for them to call people who believe it “conspiracy theorists” than it would be to admit their vaccine is potentially dog shit. If that happened they know no one would ever get another vaccine again.
Take that one step further...if we assume there is some benefit to some of the treatment's we've debated, they're basically just making money at the expense of lost lives and our frontline healthcare workers.

In other words, not researching (or worse, knowingly pushing) a vaccine that might not be very effective and might actually increase the development of mutations - while killing any research into inexpensive treatments - all while raking in billions in quarterly profits...which probably 'circle back' as campaign donations...

This plot is a little too dark to believe.
 
Hard to distinguish at this point. A study needs to be done on vaccinated people who are testing negative to see if they’re shedding. Good luck with that. If it was ever proven that it was happening it would almost certainly be suppressed.

Truth is we’ll likely never know the real answer. It’s easier for them to call people who believe it “conspiracy theorists” than it would be to admit their vaccine is potentially dog shit. If that happened they know no one would ever get another vaccine again.
I think we're about past the point of wondering if the vaccines are dog shit. I'm now wondering if they were designed this way.

I'm not sure it's a rabbit hole we want to find the bottom of.
 
Take that one step further...if we assume there is some benefit to some of the treatment's we've debated, they're basically just making money at the expense of lost lives and our frontline healthcare workers.

In other words, not researching (or worse, knowingly pushing) a vaccine that might not be very effective and might actually increase the development of mutations - while killing any research into inexpensive treatments - all while raking in billions in quarterly profits...which probably 'circle back' as campaign donations...

This plot is a little too dark to believe.
This is my thing: If the people pushing vaccines blindly had been OPEN to the idea of other forms of treatment and didn't try to SUPPRESS that information, I think it would have actually led to MORE PEOPLE BEING VACCINATED.

There is a massive level of distrust toward the media and medical community among the unvaccinated. And they have earned that distrust by not being upfront or honest with us.

If they had, I think a good portion of the unvaccinated would actually be vaccinated right now.

Remember what Rush Limbaugh say about HCQ spring of last year? He said they were suppressing it cause THEY CAN'T MAKE ANY MONEY OFF IT.

I think he was right, although I fear he might have been a bit naive as to their true motives.
 
This is my thing: If the people pushing vaccines blindly had been OPEN to the idea of other forms of treatment and didn't try to SUPPRESS that information, I think it would have actually led to MORE PEOPLE BEING VACCINATED.

There is a massive level of distrust toward the media and medical community among the unvaccinated. And they have earned that distrust by not being upfront or honest with us.

If they had, I think a good portion of the unvaccinated would actually be vaccinated right now.
100%

I'll accept some risk. I'm more hesitant to take an unknown risk and I'm suspicious why you're hiding the risk information from me. If you just tell me the damn truth, let me do the math and treat me like an adult my consent could actually be informed.
 
Take that one step further...if we assume there is some benefit to some of the treatment's we've debated, they're basically just making money at the expense of lost lives and our frontline healthcare workers.

In other words, not researching (or worse, knowingly pushing) a vaccine that might not be very effective and might actually increase the development of mutations - while killing any research into inexpensive treatments - all while raking in billions in quarterly profits...which probably 'circle back' as campaign donations...

This plot is a little too dark to believe.
It’s probably darker than any of us want to believe and will probably ever know unfortunately. All we can do is just make the best decisions for ourselves. That might include getting the vaccine for many. I want to be clear that I’m not antivax. I won’t get it but I won’t discourage anyone from getting it either. I trust my immune system whereas others might not trust theirs. Am I taking a risk? Sure, that can be argued. Every decision is a risk at this point. We just have to do what’s best for us and we should all have that right without being shamed.
 
Fack. Reading this stuff today might be worse than reading the vax cheerleading. We are either dealing with massive incompetence or massive evil, it seems.
 
It’s probably darker than any of us want to believe and will probably ever know unfortunately. All we can do is just make the best decisions for ourselves. That might include getting the vaccine for many. I want to be clear that I’m not antivax. I won’t get it but I won’t discourage anyone from getting it either. I trust my immune system whereas others might not trust theirs. Am I taking a risk? Sure, that can be argued. Every decision is a risk at this point. We just have to do what’s best for us and we should all have that right without being shamed.
Like I've said, I'm not necessarily suspicious of those who went warp speed to put out vaccine but I am very suspicious of who, what, how, and why this virus was developed in an overseas lab, with the knowledge and assisted funding of people in the US and with the capability to mutate repeatedly in humans, thus eluding eradication.

I also believe that this was done deliberately by deep deep state people to destroy Donald Trump and remove him from the Presidency. Their goal was (is) to change the US - permanently; with Barry Soetero in office they were able to move sooo far down that road, but that Bad Orange Man was an unplanned roadblock who had to be eliminated from office.

These people knew that a vax could be developed and they could thus stop a pandemic, but this virus has gone rogue on their asses and has gotten better at mutating than they thought it would or could.

Uh oh. There's a knock on my door...is it the NSA, the CIA, or just James Comey asking for directions? 😳
 
Take that one step further...if we assume there is some benefit to some of the treatment's we've debated, they're basically just making money at the expense of lost lives and our frontline healthcare workers.

In other words, not researching (or worse, knowingly pushing) a vaccine that might not be very effective and might actually increase the development of mutations - while killing any research into inexpensive treatments - all while raking in billions in quarterly profits...which probably 'circle back' as campaign donations...

This plot is a little too dark to believe.
Fatty I've been wondering the same these past two weeks. It would not be the first time Pharma got in bed with The Swamp either.
 
It’s probably darker than any of us want to believe and will probably ever know unfortunately. All we can do is just make the best decisions for ourselves. That might include getting the vaccine for many. I want to be clear that I’m not antivax. I won’t get it but I won’t discourage anyone from getting it either. I trust my immune system whereas others might not trust theirs. Am I taking a risk? Sure, that can be argued. Every decision is a risk at this point. We just have to do what’s best for us and we should all have that right without being shamed.
Where's the age and comorbidity cutoff where you'd recommend the vaccine?
 
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Where's the age and comorbidity cutoff where you'd recommend the vaccine?
There’s no playbook or algorithm to this thing. Best thing to do is sit down and do research to decide if it’s best for you or not. Obviously some comorbidities are more high risk than others. As far as age, I would probably start thinking more seriously about it after 50 or so. It really depends on the individual.
 
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There’s no playbook or algorithm to this thing. Best thing to do is sit down and do research to decide if it’s best for you or not. Obviously some comorbidities are more high risk than others. As far as age, I would probably start thinking more seriously about it after 50 or so. It really depends on the individual.
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Exercise 3-5 times per week, also coach lacrosse, can run about a 10 minute mile but I'm no athlete.

I feel like I'm right on the line?
 
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