Recruiting Issues

[Michi-Gator]

DT Jordan Scott decommitted. Not sure he was of the caliber we wanted as he is saying he wants to visit Mennesota, but a deinite position of need.

Also, our only OL committ Telfort names his top 5 recently. So, not sold he is on board either. Sounds like Richt may pull him away.

 

[46885]

sounds like we told scott to get moving... all i've heard is bad about his actions, fighting multiple teammates and staying fat..

 

[Michi-Gator]

sounds like we told scott to get moving... all i've heard is bad about his actions, fighting multiple teammates and staying fat..

I kinda wondered if this was more our choice

 

[46885]

at least on twitter, sounds like it was from everything i've read.

 

[PacoGator19]

Jordan Scott has been dropped. He's put on additional 40 pounds of bad weight and is really out of shape. It's unfortunate.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Jordan Scott has been dropped. He's put on additional 40 pounds of bad weight and is really out of shape. It's unfortunate.

Yep. The staff has been encouraging him to leave.

 

[Michi-Gator]

Jordan Scott has been dropped. He's put on additional 40 pounds of bad weight and is really out of shape. It's unfortunate.

Thanks. Like I said, sort of got that vibe. I was never huge on the signing. More space for someone knew.

Just hope we can hold Telfort

 

[oozie7]

Scott looked like he could play to me, seemed very athletic. But if he's gained weight and can't take care of himself then it makes sense. We still need bodies there though so I'm curious where we're gonna go. Not many legit DT's left out there.

 

[Countygator]

Need to pick up the recruiting along both lines.......

 

[tnole903]

DT Jordan Scott decommitted. Not sure he was of the caliber we wanted as he is saying he wants to visit Mennesota, but a deinite position of need.

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Don't kid yourself. The kid can play. I understand there are some personality issues with him, however, so it might be a blessing in disguise. And, it is probably why he is now looking down the list. But, your coach continues to struggle with the recruits. This is not a secret.

 

[Countygator]

Don't kid yourself. The kid can play. I understand there are some personality issues with him, however, so it might be a blessing in disguise. And, it is probably why he is now looking down the list. But, your coach continues to struggle with the recruits. This is not a secret.

How so?

 

[instaGATOR]

Don't kid yourself. The kid can play. I understand there are some personality issues with him, however, so it might be a blessing in disguise. And, it is probably why he is now looking down the list. But, your coach continues to struggle with the recruits. This is not a secret.

Yep, and the 2015 SEC CoY can't coach a lick either, unlike your Jimblow....

 

[MJWilliamson]

How so?

Because several Gator fans that post here say so. And most FSU fans take their cue from most UF fans

 

[oozie7]

Yep, and the 2015 SEC CoY can't coach a lick either, unlike your Jimblow....

Interesting. So now the coaches are great again? They only suck when they choose not to play Trask?

 

[PacoGator19]

There are weight issue concerns with Jordan Scott. Maybe he can get his butt in gear and try and reshape his body like Jawaan Taylor did. It obviously helped Taylor who is the starting RT as a true freshmen.

 

[instaGATOR]

Interesting. So now the coaches are great again? They only suck when they choose not to play Trask?

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[Dannygator1989]

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Why is any question you don't like "sleep inducing."

 

[tnole903]

How so?

If you follow recruiting, it is pretty obvious. There is no solution for QB on the roster. Allen is terrible and I think after his senior season, he would be fortunate to have an offer from UCF or USF. Is Del Rio going to be the guy? Because he is really not a legit D1 QB. That is a kid who should be playing at Central Michigan or Georgia Southern, not a top tier SEC school. There are problems on both lines and there is exactly 1 DT commit....1 OL commit. The UM people are pretty sure they are going to flip the OL...there certainly is smoke there. The bump class was the worst I have seen following UF football, which goes back to Pell. The defense is decidedly Muschamp's and it is an upper class squad. Do you really believe Putu is going to step in for a projected 1st rounders Wilson or Tabor...because that is what is being recruited to replace those guys. I know there is reason to be excited about potentially winning the SEC east 2 years in a row....nothing to be sneezed at. But, no legit follower of recruiting can look at what is being brought in and not see the train wreck that is about to follow in the next couple of years unless the recruiting situation gets fixed...like this year. And, frankly, I don't know how that happens. The board is thin at OL, DT, CB, QB, the positions that are the shakiest. UF will be very fortunate to end up with the top 10 class, zero chance it is a top 5 class....it is more likely to be in the low to mid teens, which is a trend.

 

[oozie7]

Rankings ain't the be all end all if you're filling needs. If you sign a class with a bunch of 5-star QB's, backs, and receivers with no line I guarantee you won't win a damn thing.

But I agree with you on our recruiting on the lines. 1 OL commit and 2 DT commits aren't enough upfront. Especially because we signed no DT last year. I agree on Allen too, that dude plays with a ton of D-1 prospects everywhere and threw for 97 yards in his last game. His passing numbers are terrible idk what the coaches see in him. But I love the rest of the class though. Our DB'a are legit, think Miller is probably the best defensive prospect in our class, got an elite rush end, etc. It ain't all bad but we definitely need to pick it up.

 

[miksta]

Do you really believe Putu is going to step in for a projected 1st rounders Wilson or Tabor...

Who has said anything remotely similar to that? What's more likely is that he plays alongside Gardner and they still do a solid job. Of course you can't backfill 1st round talent year over year.

FSU fans are so emotionally invested in UF fans having a sky is falling mentality.

 

[Michi-Gator]

Rankings ain't the be all end all if you're filling needs. If you sign a class with a bunch of 5-star QB's, backs, and receivers with no line I guarantee you won't win a damn thing.

But I agree with you on our recruiting on the lines. 1 OL commit and 2 DT commits aren't enough upfront. Especially because we signed no DT last year. I agree on Allen too, that dude plays with a ton of D-1 prospects everywhere and threw for 97 yards in his last game. His passing numbers are terrible idk what the coaches see in him. But I love the rest of the class though. Our DB'a are legit, think Miller is probably the best defensive prospect in our class, got an elite rush end, etc. It ain't all bad but we definitely need to pick it up.

So. Our weaknesses are QB, OL and DT. Thats reassuring, the three most important positions on the field. I hope to be wrong, but I think 2017 is going to be a very ugly year for UF football

 

[PacoGator19]

The recruiting class will be good. Certainly good enough to compete for SEC East championships. Maybe not an elite recruiting class but it will be a very good recruiting class. IMO there isn't a huge difference between that #1 class and the #10 class.

Right now I'm pretty impressed with the coaching staffs ability and development of some of our so called 3 star prospects. Antonio Callaway, Jabari Zuniga, Jaawan Taylor, Tyler Jordan and Lamical Perine just to name a few early standouts.

I find it comical that an FSU fan is here to tell us all about their problems. See FSU recruits really well but shits the bed during the season. So great FSU has tons of talent but underachieves. Who does less with more? Jimbo Fisher or Les Miles?

 

[tnole903]

FSU fans are so emotionally invested in UF fans having a sky is falling mentality.

I was asked for my opinion and I gave it. I could do the same for UGa or Clemson classes, if you want. I follow recruiting in the Southeast very closely. UF is not recruiting at the level of those schools and their board is no where near as deep. I don't need UF sunshine pumper or negative nelly fans to confirm or refute what I can see with my own eyes.

 

[oozie7]

So. Our weaknesses are QB, OL and DT. Thats reassuring, the three most important positions on the field. I hope to be wrong, but I think 2017 is going to be a very ugly year for UF football

Not really. A guy like Allen doesn't effect you next year...that's three years down the road if ever. OL should be strong next year as well and DL should be good too though we probably won't have as much depth. Recruiting is about 3-4 years down the road.

 

[tnole903]

Rankings ain't the be all end all if you're filling needs. If you sign a class with a bunch of 5-star QB's, backs, and receivers with no line I guarantee you won't win a damn thing.

100% accurate, but you also can't win it all without prime stars....Dalvin Cooks and Percy Harvin's. You need at least 2 of those guys on your team to put you over the edge. At least one of those 2 elite guys needs to be on offense. The best player UF has on offensive is B+ level Callaway. He is a very good player...not elite. The drop off after Callaway is steep. UF has not recruited those elite players since McElwain has been there and the staff is really not "in" on any of those guys this recruiting class..

 

[oozie7]

100% accurate, but you also can't win it all without prime stars....Dalvin Cooks and Percy Harvin's. You need at least 2 of those guys on your team to put you over the edge. At least one of those 2 elite guys needs to be on offense. The best player UF has on offensive is B+ level Callaway. He is a very good player...not elite. The drop off after Callaway is steep. UF has not recruited those elite players since McElwain has been there and the staff is really not "in" on any of those guys this recruiting class..

Agree with some of this, disagree with other parts.

I think Callaway is better than a B+, but he plays a position that's dependent on other people to get him the ball (o-line and QB). It's not like a back where you can just hand it off. He'd put up big time stats in a more wide open system or with a better QB. Cleveland, Swain, and Hammond are all true freshmen and Cleveland has potential to be elite too.

But yea I agree you need game changers to contend for titles, they usually win you a game or 2 you have no business winning. Cook has done that for FSU a few times over the past few years.

 

[tnole903]

. Cook has done that for FSU a few times over the past few years.

Yes, he has. He is much better than I thought he would be...and I need to make an exception for FSU...Jimbo needs MORE than 2 elites to win it all. LOL. Fortunately, he is an elite recruiter, which makes up for some of his game day issues.

 

[Michi-Gator]

The recruiting class will be good. Certainly good enough to compete for SEC East championships. Maybe not an elite recruiting class but it will be a very good recruiting class. IMO there isn't a huge difference between that #1 class and the #10 class.

Right now I'm pretty impressed with the coaching staffs ability and development of some of our so called 3 star prospects. Antonio Callaway, Jabari Zuniga, Jaawan Taylor, Tyler Jordan and Lamical Perine just to name a few early standouts.

I find it comical that an FSU fan is here to tell us all about their problems. See FSU recruits really well but shits the bed during the season. So great FSU has tons of talent but underachieves. Who does less with more? Jimbo Fisher or Les Miles?

So now our goal is to win one of the weakest divisions in a P5 conference. I remember the good old days when we competed to WIN the entire SEC. Now we beat all the mediocre teams and back into ATL and all is well, sad.

BS on the #1 and #10 class. The current number one class (tOSU) is being called one of the best since rankingns started, but hey, apin it how you like.

And as for developing 3* talent, I would say those guys sans Zuniga were more likely underrated than well developed. Calloway specifically, he lives on his physical gifts, not good development

 

[tnole903]

Calloway specifically, he lives on his physical gifts, not good development

exactly...way too many drops and just dumb play to be considered elite. Coaching is responsible for some of that.

 

[oozie7]

Stars ain't really the issue, especially with linemen. That position and QB probably has the biggest gap between ranking and performance just because they're so hard to project. What we need is numbers upfront, that's where we've fallen short.

 

[Countygator]

If you follow recruiting, it is pretty obvious. There is no solution for QB on the roster. Allen is terrible and I think after his senior season, he would be fortunate to have an offer from UCF or USF. Is Del Rio going to be the guy? Because he is really not a legit D1 QB. That is a kid who should be playing at Central Michigan or Georgia Southern, not a top tier SEC school. There are problems on both lines and there is exactly 1 DT commit....1 OL commit. The UM people are pretty sure they are going to flip the OL...there certainly is smoke there. The bump class was the worst I have seen following UF football, which goes back to Pell. The defense is decidedly Muschamp's and it is an upper class squad. Do you really believe Putu is going to step in for a projected 1st rounders Wilson or Tabor...because that is what is being recruited to replace those guys. I know there is reason to be excited about potentially winning the SEC east 2 years in a row....nothing to be sneezed at. But, no legit follower of recruiting can look at what is being brought in and not see the train wreck that is about to follow in the next couple of years unless the recruiting situation gets fixed...like this year. And, frankly, I don't know how that happens. The board is thin at OL, DT, CB, QB, the positions that are the shakiest. UF will be very fortunate to end up with the top 10 class, zero chance it is a top 5 class....it is more likely to be in the low to mid teens, which is a trend.

Ahhh, I thought you were hinting that there was some personal issue with Mac and that it was well known......his recruiting along the offensive line has been a big issue in my opinion, our defensive line should still be pretty good next year, just some depth drop off. Hell, our best Dlineman this year so far has been a RS Freshman. UGA couldn't block the guy on Saturday. This is an important class for Mac, as all the great coaching in the world won't save you without some talent...

 

[instaGATOR]

The 3 Prime Facts that I've filtered out of this are:

1. IF a recruit does well, it's because he's just naturally a great player.

2. IF a recruit doesn't live up to his star rating, it's because he's being poorly coached.

3. IF UF has only had one losing season in the last 37 years, it just means that the Gators never play a good schedule, they just play patsy teams like that SoW...

 

[TennesseeGator]

Ill say this about the staffs (not just McElwain) recruiting positives and negatives.

Negatives. Not enough beef. Need to stockpile on the OL and DL. No question about that. They need a premier QB. They need to recruit that off the chart offensive playmaker like Percy Garvin or Jacquez Green. They also need the surpurb defensive playmaker at LB and DB.

Positives. They have an eye for talent and evaluation. The whole world was not after either Jordan, Callaway, Perine, Zuniga, Reese, Kylan, Jawaan Taylor, and some others.

The staff has a back up plan. Of course you don't want the staff making a living off of this but it beats the hell of striking out. I'd rather have a Putu instead of a nobody to fill the void on the depth chart. I liked how when we parted ways with the troubled Lemons we immediately had one to replace his void.

So far the attitude and trouble makers have been minimized. This is completely unavoidable when filling a roster with 85 young adults. Sure we are having issues with Cronkite. Sure Wells and Cleveland were mischievous during the summer. Sure Mark Thompson smoked some weed. And yes Callaway made a poor choice being a follower of Treon Harris. That piddly stuff beats having your star OL falling asleep at a red light, your star DB breaking into an impound lot, your star WR stealing wallets during high school games, your star LBer eye gouging a RB, or your overall team star being a huge distraction in the locker room causing riffs.

Stack up the OL, DT, get the stud QB, and get the difference maker offensive weapon and we could see the glory days soon.

 

[MJWilliamson]

If you follow recruiting, it is pretty obvious. There is no solution for QB on the roster. .

lulz

We have three QBs on the roster (or will have next spring) that have never taken a snap of college ball. Yet this Mensa candidate insists, INSISTS "there is no solution for QB on the roster." No to even mention we have a starter coming back.

The memes about retarded FSU fans sometime write themselves.

 

[TennesseeGator]

lulz

We have three QBs on the roster (or will have next spring) that have never taken a snap of college ball. Yet this Mensa candidate insists, INSISTS "there is no solution for QB on the roster." No to even mention we have a starter coming back.

The memes about retarded FSU fans sometime write themselves.

The schmuck has a crystal ball and knows the future for Trask, Frank's, and Allen.

The idiots have too much time on their hands. Posting on other boards while tracking their recruiting for 30 plus years. Jeeesus!

 

[tnole903]

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The memes about retarded FSU fans sometime write themselves.

Funny...because I would reserve the moniker "retarded" for someone who thinks three guys sitting on the bench behind Del Rio who is not a legit D1 QB are solutions. USCe, UGa and FSU are what "solutions" look like.... freshmen QB's already punching way above their fighting weight. FSU and UGa QB's both beat out the upper class Del Rio's on their respective rosters.

 

[MJWilliamson]

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Funny...because I would reserve the moniker "retarded" for someone who thinks three guys sitting on the bench behind Del Rio who is not a legit D1 QB are solutions.

This concept called red shirting a recruit. Have you ever heard of it?

USCe, UGa and FSU are what "solutions" look like.... freshmen QB's already punching way above their fighting weight.

You DO realize your last two FSU QBs were both red shirted don't you?

Retardation, thy name is tnole903

 

[TennesseeGator]

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Funny...because I would reserve the moniker "retarded" for someone who thinks three guys sitting on the bench behind Del Rio who is not a legit D1 QB are solutions. USCe, UGa and FSU are what "solutions" look like.... freshmen QB's already punching way above their fighting weight. FSU and UGa QB's both beat out the upper class Del Rio's on their respective rosters.

Had that list included USCe, UGA, and UF instead of FSU you and the other twit twat fans would be calling that a recruiting mistake. Y'all would be saying due to misses in the past is why UF has to start a true freshman.

But anyway, your QB isn't even a true freshman. He sat the bench last season behind Sean McQuire or whatever the **** his name is.

 

[PacoGator19]

Francois is a redshirt you idiot. Another dumb Nole fan has graced our presence. We should all be so lucky.

Eason is the starting QB on a 4-4 team and USCe is 3-5.

 

[Nolec]

Francois is a redshirt you idiot. Another dumb Nole fan has graced our presence. We should all be so lucky.

Eason is the starting QB on a 4-4 team and USCe is 3-5.

Did you miss the posters' point, ignore it or just deflect it because the word " true" or "redshirt" was not used? Wow he sure is the idiot.