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[46885]

Meltdown comments

Some of these questions and discussion look familiar to you about Urban from 2010?


https://www.elevenwarriors.com/foru...al-oklahoma-post-game-meltdown-central-thread

 

[46885]

"Meyer runs the same ****ing 4 plays.

JT option with a shit read

RB swing pass

Roll out pass to a WR 4 yards down field

JT taking sack waiting for wide open WR"


God almighty does that look familiar


"1. It is obvious that Meyer still has his fingerprints all over the offense. That has to change

2. Zach Smith is stealing money. He is an awful coach that cannot develop receivers

3. JT Barrett is simply one the level of steve bellisari. He needs to go "


"We all know what's coming: JT carves up Army and UNLV in back to back weeks. The narrative that JT is back begins to surface. Some fans buy into it. Then we get pasted by Penn State. "

 

[TNGatorBrad]

Sounds all too familiar... Urb prob needs more "time with family" to fix the O.

 

[Gator Fever]

That QB on OSU is simply not that good and Oklahoma has the type of offense that can overcome a great D line if its clicking that day.

 

[HardeeWildcatFan]

Told everybody on here last week that OSU was no number 2 team after watching them last week. Urban most likely had to go to the ER because his anxiety shot up...

This also shows that Urban is really not a great Coach as people think he is. Is is okay but without the players he had at UF during his reign Florida would have never won any championships. After his fake heart issues he went downhill overall because he cannot handle losing and I believe he just doesn't understand that football is more about life and not just football. If he can grasp this he would succeed. He just tries to darn hard. But he just is not a good Coach.

 

[46885]

He ain't a spurrier, but he's a guy that can't stand losing so much it makes him physically ill.. Those type of people are winners, urban has that gene, he's just not a very smart x and o guy himself and relies on others to cover that for him while he reels them in the talent to coordinate it.

but, you read those comments, they are identical to the decline we experienced and being questioned almost word for word what he's actually doing now by them all..

 

[dmbolp]

 

[MJWilliamson]

He ain't a spurrier, but he's a guy that can't stand losing so much it makes him physically ill.. Those type of people are winners, urban has that gene, he's just not a very smart x and o guy himself and relies on others to cover that for him while he reels them in the talent to coordinate it.

but, you read those comments, they are identical to the decline we experienced and being questioned almost word for word what he's actually doing now by them all..

Urban is not really a long term kind of guy. He comes in, makes a huge splash, and then burns out

 

[ocalaman]

Urban is not really a long term kind of guy. He comes in, makes a huge splash, and then burns out

His track record proves what you said. But are there any Gators out there who wouldn't take him back for another huge splash? In a heartbeat.

 

[kb851]

Well, I think he is a really good coach, but his legacy of tawdry players stings.

Ohio has a relarively soft schedule the rest of the way. Good teams but other than maybe penn state and Michigan nothing that threatening so they have a chance to win a lot and get excuses made for them, again, to potentially make a playoff.

Nice classy internet message board type statements from Paterno state coach Franklin yesterday...bashing Pitt as being just like Akron, and bringing out the tired cliche that last year Pitt treated Paterno State as their super bowl.

Fans can use those lines...and we do...but coaches...cmon man. You are feeding the same beast that pressured Paterno into ignoring rape.

Those regions lost their false claims to moral superiority last November anyway, as their incredible buyers remorse is telling them now.

 

[fsu939913]

Time to fake another heart attack

 

[nail1988]

He ain't a spurrier, but he's a guy that can't stand losing so much it makes him physically ill.. Those type of people are winners, urban has that gene, he's just not a very smart x and o guy himself and relies on others to cover that for him while he reels them in the talent to coordinate it.

but, you read those comments, they are identical to the decline we experienced and being questioned almost word for word what he's actually doing now by them all..

 

[angel1293]

Meyer is a little similar to John Calipari imo. Amazing recruiters and winners which is the most important thing. However, they're not the greatest coaches when it comes to Xs and Os. That's why imo, it's Saban by himself, then Meyer and everyone else.

 

[bradleygator]

What's he lost, like 5 games in 5 years, and won a National Championship and finished in the top-5 every year? You'd have to be insane to be bitching about Meyer as a Buckeye fan, just like Gator fans were insane to bitch about Steve freaking Spurrier. All that says is that a lot of fans are drooling morons.

 

[kb851]

They are definitely drooling morons.

So cocksure it was extra pleasuring watching OU twirl their panties.

And yep, the Gators have been relatively struggling for years, but at least our fans are not such abject puss wads.

 

[Dannygator1989]

What's he lost, like 5 games in 5 years, and won a National Championship and finished in the top-5 every year? You'd have to be insane to be bitching about Meyer as a Buckeye fan, just like Gator fans were insane to bitch about Steve freaking Spurrier. All that says is that a lot of fans are drooling morons.

2 years ago there were rumors of discontent in the locker room, and the bad showings in the last 3 games they've played don't help.

He has a track record of not being able to sustain his success for whatever reason.

I think it's a matter of whatever he sells doesn't have longevity and his personnel development starts falling off.

But the signs are there.

 

[bradleygator]

2 years ago there were rumors of discontent in the locker room, and the bad showings in the last 3 games they've played don't help.

He has a track record of not being able to sustain his success for whatever reason.

I think it's a matter of whatever he sells doesn't have longevity and his personnel development starts falling off.

But the signs are there.

If you are a buckeye fan, and you want to change from Urban Meyer, you are a lunatic. He was 11-2 last year. What's his track record of not sustaining success? His program went off the rails at UF, but you're talking about one subpar season, where he still won 8 games. In sixteen seasons he's won double figures 10 times, never won less than eight, won three national titles and supplied about a third of the NFL. If any fan is going to sweat him after a bad loss, or even a bad season or two, they've got big problems.

 

[Dannygator1989]

If you are a buckeye fan, and you want to change from Urban Meyer, you are a lunatic. He was 11-2 last year. What's his track record of not sustaining success? His program went off the rails at UF, but you're talking about one subpar season, where he still won 8 games. In sixteen seasons he's won double figures 10 times, never won less than eight, won three national titles and supplied about a third of the NFL. If any fan is going to sweat him after a bad loss, or even a bad season or two, they've got big problems.

You're purposely missing the point?

 

[EvilWayz]

Urban is not really a long term kind of guy. He comes in, makes a huge splash, and then burns out

He's a mercenary. He gets you what you want, the win, and then when the going gets tough he sells his services to someone else.

 

[bradleygator]

You're purposely missing the point?

What's the point?

 

[bradleygator]

He's a mercenary. He gets you what you want, the win, and then when the going gets tough he sells his services to someone else.

Just about every coach anywhere is a mercenary. At least Urb will get you the wins.

 

[Dannygator1989]

What's the point?

Exactly what I said.

You're just ignoring it.

Here he is in year 6 and there's rumblings from the locker room, 3 straight bad looking games, and you can't seem to understand why OSU fans would be concerned?

Come on.

 

[46885]

I feel what Bradley is saying, but there's def both sides of this and we have experienced it before these fans... it's just very odd to see them saying the same things about word for word as old users here, it was the beginning of some thing bad enough to drive users away forever.. and still have never recovered

I almost feel bad for him, they are asking for tressel back, holy shit.

 

[bradleygator]

Exactly what I said.

You're just ignoring it.

Here he is in year 6 and there's rumblings from the locker room, 3 straight bad looking games, and you can't seem to understand why OSU fans would be concerned?

Come on.

If you have a coach that goes 62-7 (90 percent wins!), and wins a national title and you are bitching because of "3 straight bad games" one of which is a win (the other two bad losses vs. top 5 teams) and "rumblings in the locker room," then you are an entitled moron. This is objectively true. It will remain true even if they lose to Penn St. and Michigan.

Keep it up Buckeye fans. You'll be whistling a different tune when Urb runs off to South Bend.

 

[Dannygator1989]

If you have a coach that goes 62-7 (90 percent wins!), and wins a national title and you are bitching because of "3 straight bad games" one of which is a win (the other two bad losses vs. top 5 teams) and "rumblings in the locker room," then you are an entitled moron. This is objectively true. It will remain true even if they lose to Penn St. and Michigan.

Keep it up Buckeye fans. You'll be whistling a different tune when Urb runs off to South Bend.

Again. All I'm saying is that, if the situation were reversed, and we watched Urban have great success at OSU for 5 years, and then even in year 5, start seeing signs that something may be off in year 5, and then year 6 shows more signs of a decline, tied with rumblings from the locker room before leaving them. On top of that, while we've been enjoying the success he brings, we see his former program go into disarray, that his last few recruiting classes didn't pan out at the old school and the program seems to have issues recovering.

Now fast forward 5 years and all of a sudden, we've been seeing a buildup of the same things that happened there, then yeah, pretty sure the fan base would get paranoid.

And let's not pretend that none of us would be shocked, even mildly surprised, if Meyer takes the Notre Dame job, finally after all 20 years since he left his "dream job" to become a head coach.

 

[oozie7]

I kinda hope he does take the ND job, they're alright with me for some reason. Would be pretty dope to see him win a championship there too since damn near everybody thinks it can't be done in this day and age.

 

[fsu939913]

Meyer is a little similar to John Calipari imo. Amazing recruiters and winners which is the most important thing. However, they're not the greatest coaches when it comes to Xs and Os. That's why imo, it's Saban by himself, then Meyer and everyone else.

Meyer is great at x and o. He is a top 2 coach. Coaches lose tho, it happens. I remember people saying Saban sucked at x and o after he got throttled by utah

 

[fsu939913]

What's he lost, like 5 games in 5 years, and won a National Championship and finished in the top-5 every year? You'd have to be insane to be bitching about Meyer as a Buckeye fan, just like Gator fans were insane to bitch about Steve freaking Spurrier. All that says is that a lot of fans are drooling morons.

Dam i hate when the lib is right

 

[TennesseeGator]

Dam i hate when the lib is right

The "lib" is pretty spot on.

 

[PacoGator19]

Meyer is one of the GOAT. Period. Maybe he flames out because he puts so much into it. He HATES to lose more than any other coach I've ever seen. I wish our last couple of coaches where like that.

There is a saying "I hate losing more than I enjoy winning". Meyer likely falls somewhere in this category. It is dangerous though.

 

[RMG]

Meltdown comments

Some of these questions and discussion look familiar to you about Urban from 2010?


https://www.elevenwarriors.com/foru...al-oklahoma-post-game-meltdown-central-thread

he is only as good as his offensive coordinator

 

[EvilWayz]

Just about every coach anywhere is a mercenary. At least Urb will get you the wins.

I'm not so sure about that. They might manipulate their college to squeeze a little more money out of them but there are a lot of Coaches that are happy where they are, or were. Meyer's win at any cost style is what makes him a merc in my mind.

 

[bradleygator]

I'm not so sure about that. They might manipulate their college to squeeze a little more money out of them but there are a lot of Coaches that are happy where they are, or were. Meyer's win at any cost style is what makes him a merc in my mind.

Ok. But how many coaches get the offers he's had? How many are going to turn down UF from Utah; or OSU? Or Notre Dame? That's why I don't completely buy that he can't sustain success without burning out. It really only happened at UF. We don't know if he could have sustained at Bowling Green or Utah, because he kept getting better opportunities every couple of years.

I agree that he needs good coordinators, but given his track record, I'd give him the chance to figure it out.

 

[EvilWayz]

Ok. But how many coaches get the offers he's had? How many are going to turn down UF from Utah; or OSU? Or Notre Dame? That's why I don't completely buy that he can't sustain success without burning out. It really only happened at UF. We don't know if he could have sustained at Bowling Green or Utah, because he kept getting better opportunities every couple of years.

I agree that he needs good coordinators, but given his track record, I'd give him the chance to figure it out.

I don't think he cares about sustaining success. As soon as things don't go his way, he goes for the money, and there are tons of teams that would sacrifice their firstborn to Satan to get Urban Meyer as their HBC.

Tl:dr version, he's spoiled.

 

[Dannygator1989]

It's technically unfair to say Meyer isn't an Xs and Os coach, but the reality is that he's not a traditionally minded coach.

He's always been more of a big picture CEO type with an offensive mind, but when it comes down to the actual schematics of it, that's not what he does. Remember, he's never even been a coordinator.

Saban is a phenomenal XO guy, but he's also the rare blend of strategy and CEO that makes him so good.

A guy like Malzahn is great at scheming, but when having to run the whole program? Not so much.

I guess my point is, from a football tactician standpoint, there's a lot of guys who could one-on-one outscheme and knowledge (I'm imagining some bizarre football version of a chess match where Spurrier versus Muschamp and Meyer versus Saban are seated at tables going move for move).

I just personally think (and it seems so many people get really bent out of shape about this) that Meyer has a proven method and system to achieve high level, rapid success, but I think the con to it may be that the flame burns out faster than some.

It may very well be a product of his own system. A great eye for talent both with coaching staff and players, and a motivational element that has great success almost immediately, but by way of that success, causes those coaches to take better jobs and makes the program a hot spot for big time talent with the baggage of big time egos.

I think that's why you see things start to dismantle after 5-6 years.


Then again, I've always been a guy that sees how all the little things added together create a situation, as opposed to just shouting that "so-and-so sucks he's the problem."

 

[46885]

I kinda hope he does take the ND job, they're alright with me for some reason. Would be pretty dope to see him win a championship there too since damn near everybody thinks it can't be done in this day and age.

I don't see why he couldn't.. They are very similar and might even have easier schedules yearly, their own network and money, they are basically the same school but he'd have to bring in more talent to start, but would have no trouble. If he decided to do this, and it worked, he'd have to go down as superior to them all.