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Proprietary COVID-19 and Vaccine thread

A perfectly fair observation. No doubt, a lot of studies focus disproportionally on one side of the political spectrum. And this is a problem I have raised time and again, as I think it obviously pushes conservatives toward denying science and creates a gap in the scientific literature. I've also said (and I may have posted it here) that leftists are similarly manipulated by bad actors that appeal to their false sense of moral and intellectual superiority.
This doesn't change anything though. Both sides of the political spectrum are subject to this type of manipulation. The bad guys don't care what your politics are - only that they can make you a useful idiot to carry out their goals.
I agree that all media manipulates. What I'm ultimately driving at is that knowing how they manipulate and what that means to each of us individually is an important step toward protecting ourselves against such manipulation.
Again, study isn't valid to me because it ignores scope.

I don't even think it defines misinformation - and subsequently the manipulation to believe it - properly so on its face it's deeply flawed.

I'd argue the band of useful idiots is much bigger and more aligned on the side of the political aisle that article didn't even explore.
 
Again, study isn't valid to me because it ignores scope.

I don't even think it defines misinformation - and subsequently the manipulation to believe it - properly so on its face it's deeply flawed.

I'd argue the band of useful idiots is much bigger and more aligned on the side of the political aisle that article didn't even explore.
Completely invalid scientific arguments, but I’m sure it helps you sleep at night
 
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Again, study isn't valid to me because it ignores scope.

I don't even think it defines misinformation - and subsequently the manipulation to believe it - properly so on its face it's deeply flawed.

I'd argue the band of useful idiots is much bigger and more aligned on the side of the political aisle that article didn't even explore.
It is your choice to ignore it or disbelieve any study as you see fit.
You can argue one way or the other, but if you aren't seeking out disconfirming evidence to whichever position you hold, then you are much more subject to misinformation and therefore manipulation. Work as hard to disprove your own beliefs as you do others and only then can you be sure that your beliefs are truly well founded.
The same goes for all of us. The relative proportions of useful idiots on one side or another is really immaterial to the overall point, which is again, be aware of what is out there and how it is deployed.
 
It is your choice to ignore it or disbelieve any study as you see fit.
You can argue one way or the other, but if you aren't seeking out disconfirming evidence to whichever position you hold, then you are much more subject to misinformation and therefore manipulation. Work as hard to disprove your own beliefs as you do others and only then can you be sure that your beliefs are truly well founded.
The same goes for all of us. The relative proportions of useful idiots on one side or another is really immaterial to the overall point, which is again, be aware of what is out there and how it is deployed.
The overall point of the study is to try to help people realize the affects of turning to social media for all your news and how that can expose you to more disinformation and skew you away from the truth.

I’d argue because it shows such clear political bias it’s achieving the opposite. It’s only making consumers of MSM bias more entrenched in their belief that “crazy right wingers on social media are the core problem” when it comes to fighting misinformation.
 
It is your choice to ignore it or disbelieve any study as you see fit.
You can argue one way or the other, but if you aren't seeking out disconfirming evidence to whichever position you hold, then you are much more subject to misinformation and therefore manipulation. Work as hard to disprove your own beliefs as you do others and only then can you be sure that your beliefs are truly well founded.
The same goes for all of us. The relative proportions of useful idiots on one side or another is really immaterial to the overall point, which is again, be aware of what is out there and how it is deployed.

So get to it then. Begin with the questions I asked earlier. Something I have yet to see from you.
 
The overall point of the study is to try to help people realize the affects of turning to social media for all your news and how that can expose you to more disinformation and skew you away from the truth.

I’d argue because it shows such clear political bias it’s achieving the opposite. It’s only making consumers of MSM bias more entrenched in their belief that “crazy right wingers on social media are the core problem” when it comes to fighting misinformation.
As I said, interpret as you see fit. And again, the bad guys do target the left utilizing a different strategy. But that doesn't not invalidate the fact that the 'crazy right wingers' are targeted as well. It is extreme partisanship itself that renders one susceptible to misinformation.

Enders & Usiki (2021) came to the same conclusion in their paper "Are misinformation, antiscientific claims, and conspiracy theories for political extremists?"

 
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Not sure of source but they claim study is from Pew.

Seems rank and file dems are susceptible to misinformation not just the extremists.

"The Washington Times also says in their analysis that the vast majority of Democrats overestimate the probability of being hospitalized and dying from COVID-19, compared to other ideologies, a Gallup survey found. There’s only a 1 to 5% chance of somebody with COVID-19 having to be hospitalized, yet 41% of Democrats believe there’s a greater than 50% chance. Only 10% of Democrat respondents in the survey knew the correct answer..."


 
Not sure of source but they claim study is from Pew.

Seems rank and file dems are susceptible to misinformation not just the extremists.

"The Washington Times also says in their analysis that the vast majority of Democrats overestimate the probability of being hospitalized and dying from COVID-19, compared to other ideologies, a Gallup survey found. There’s only a 1 to 5% chance of somebody with COVID-19 having to be hospitalized, yet 41% of Democrats believe there’s a greater than 50% chance. Only 10% of Democrat respondents in the survey knew the correct answer..."


Liberals certainly aren't immune to misinformation, as I've been saying. The article you cited doesn't have base rates of occurrence (such as how many conservatives or liberals even have mental health assessments conducted, and of those that do, how much does this deviate from that norm). Relative to COVID, I don't think there is any doubt about the divide among the left and right and how they view its threat. This is why I prefer to go with raw medical data on that issue, as both political sides seem to estimate incorrectly
 
Not sure of source but they claim study is from Pew.

Seems rank and file dems are susceptible to misinformation not just the extremists.

"The Washington Times also says in their analysis that the vast majority of Democrats overestimate the probability of being hospitalized and dying from COVID-19, compared to other ideologies, a Gallup survey found. There’s only a 1 to 5% chance of somebody with COVID-19 having to be hospitalized, yet 41% of Democrats believe there’s a greater than 50% chance. Only 10% of Democrat respondents in the survey knew the correct answer..."


Well absolute true but also completely consistent with what @SORT14 has been saying all along. The problem is there a certain members of this for that if you don’t believe exactly is it due, and they can’t disapprove of facts, they just start attacking The messenger instead. The most amazing thing about it is they claim to be the free thinkers but shut out anything that does not completely agree with their worldview.

Not aimed at you @DCandtheUTBand
 
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It’s not about what’s happening it’s about what info you’re being fed.

If you don’t think the media has insane control of the narrative I’ll give you two examples.

1) Hunter Biden’s laptop was labeled “Russian disinformation”. Some still hold onto that. Now that three have been found, all containing various levels of incredibly bad reveals for the family, we know that was a lie. Timing during the election was suspiciously convenient.
2) The Haitian whipping story. The photog came forward and said it didn’t happen and then we got video. You still have it dominating the media narrative with Biden and Waters and Kamala citing “the days of slavery”.

Laptop cover was to help an election and the Haitian story was to hide a border crisis. They just lead the little liberals around and tell them where to look, bleating and complaining about the mean conservatives.
And it seems certain shot cheerleaders here don't understand how social media works. They seem to be claiming that information shared via social media is flawed, but information shared via a study or MSM is more credible.

What they fail to understand is......it's the same information. It's simply being repurposed to fit the distribution channel, whether that channel is a study or a MSM broadcast, or a tweet.

But honestly, what it boils down to is the shot cheerleaders don't like social media because that's where people can independently review, discuss and comment on claims made in these studies and MSM broadcasts. It's where we can critically examine the claims made by shot cheerleaders, and typically those claims made by shot cheerleaders can't stand up to simply examination, and fall away.

Which is why they don't like social media. Cause social media often proves just how full of it they are.
 
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Looks to me like you just might be the one being “manipulated”. This is much like a saloon door. It swings both ways. The ol’ conspiracy shame, that will shut things up. If the “mainstream”media ever wanted to get their reputation/ratings and trust back, I wonder how they would ever go about that? SMDH

China virus created in a lab? No way, thats too conspiracy crazy for me. Good grief sort, you’re lead around by a leash. Just post a “scientific” (garbage) study full of holes, and @SORT14 will gobble it up.
Wait....is @SORT14 now claiming that covid was NOT created in a lab?
 
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Manipulation attempts happen to all groups, and from ALL media source. Conservatives ,liberal, independent, and supposed “middle of the road” folks are all targeted. Not sure this is even news.

Is there another point @SORT14 is trying to make, or does he just like to state and discuss the obvious? My guess, is he is once again trying to imply intellectual superiority.


#flamingos
 
The overall point of the study is to try to help people realize the affects of turning to social media for all your news and how that can expose you to more disinformation and skew you away from the truth.

I’d argue because it shows such clear political bias it’s achieving the opposite. It’s only making consumers of MSM bias more entrenched in their belief that “crazy right wingers on social media are the core problem” when it comes to fighting misinformation.
That was my point. People like this that tout studies that claim 'people that get their news from social media are prone to misinformation' don't understand how social media works.

CNN reports a story. CNN then tweets out the details of that story on Twitter.

It's the same information, in two different forms. It didn't suddenly become misinformation when it was put in a tweet.

Social media is where conversations happen, and where additional research happens. Shot cheerleaders don't like social media, because it means they are losing control of messaging. They miss the days when people were told how to think by MSM, and that was that.

This whole idea of people thinking for themselves scares them to death.
 
Not sure of source but they claim study is from Pew.

Seems rank and file dems are susceptible to misinformation not just the extremists.

"The Washington Times also says in their analysis that the vast majority of Democrats overestimate the probability of being hospitalized and dying from COVID-19, compared to other ideologies, a Gallup survey found. There’s only a 1 to 5% chance of somebody with COVID-19 having to be hospitalized, yet 41% of Democrats believe there’s a greater than 50% chance.
I mean, just look at the posts here. You'd think that getting covid if you haven't gotten a shot means you are going straight to ICU. Then you pray there's a bed for you, and there likely won't be, so you'll die in a hallway.

The biggest question in all this for me continues to be.....why the fear mongering? Who benefits, and to what end?

Evil is afoot.
 
Wow. Sounds like either the shots gave them no protection whatsoever, or the shots gave them covid.

Likely the former. So some shots lose all effectiveness after only a month????

I say again, if anyone had claimed this would be the case a year ago, @gator1776 would have shit himself and demanded that Fresno ban the poster for posting dangerous misinformation.

A year later, here we are. Shot cheerleaders see no issue.
 

BTW while this isn't a covid thread, I did chuckle at how part of the story is the new NY governor fired the nurses and just replaced them with National Guard members who had 'received medical training'. LOL

Apparently the National Guard can achieve mastery in medicine a decade or so faster than @gator1776.
 

BTW while this isn't a covid thread, I did chuckle at how part of the story is the new NY governor fired the nurses and just replaced them with National Guard members who had 'received medical training'. LOL

Apparently the National Guard can achieve mastery in medicine a decade or so faster than @gator1776.
Well they don’t spent all day shitposting on a message board…sooooo I bet they can!
 
Wow. Sounds like either the shots gave them no protection whatsoever, or the shots gave them covid.

Likely the former. So some shots lose all effectiveness after only a month????

I say again, if anyone had claimed this would be the case a year ago, @gator1776 would have shit himself and demanded that Fresno ban the poster for posting dangerous misinformation.

A year later, here we are. Shot cheerleaders see no issue.
I’m guessing it’s the latter. The shots are not what we were promised.

The best part is the The family is “mad at those not taking the virus seriously”. But who gave it to them? Where they vaccinated? No one knows, but the media has to throw that in or get canceled for telling the truth.
 
Well they don’t spent all day shitposting on a message board…sooooo I bet they can!
I've been reading message boards like this for a minute. Seeing a poster claim he doesn't have enough hours in the day to do his job while IN THE MIDDLE OF POSTING OVER 100 TIMES OVER 72 HOURS might be the best example I've ever seen of a lack of self awareness.
 
@fatman76 here is a recent thesis that you might appreciate. This brave young lad found in his research (supporting my own findings) that liberals falsely assume they are intellectually superior:

"On the other side of the spectrum, traits commonly considered liberal, such as a high level of education, would seem to suggest that liberals are more thoughtful or careful when considering policy positions (“A Wider Ideological Gap,” 2016). In fact, the opposite may be true. Ideological-consistency theories suggest that the more knowledgeable a person is, the more likely they are to align with elites in policy debates, perhaps confounding their intelligence with emotional responses, attitudes, or beliefs (Kahan, et al., 2011; Zaller, 1992)"

I am still reading though this one (theses are long), but I admire this research approach (at least initially). Large sample sizes, multinational and politically neutral. Be warned though, there are some criticisms for conservatives too. But that is what neutrality is about.

 
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It is a computer simulation study but hopefully it gets the ball rolling through some more experiments. Link to the study:
 
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It is a computer simulation study but hopefully it gets the ball rolling through some more experiments. Link to the study:
Pretty funny they are doing this while seeding all that media nonsense that the stuff doesn't work. I guess they want in on the action later for years to come once they have milked those vaccines for everything they can. Try and package something they can patent by using other things also when its just the invermectin doing the job.
 
Pretty funny they are doing this while seeding all that media nonsense that the stuff doesn't work. I guess they want in on the action later for years to come once they have milked those vaccines for everything they can. Try and package something they can patent by using other things also when its just the invermectin doing the job.
If you get your news from the news, I can't help you lol. My hope is that IVM gets the attention it deserves in the experimental sphere. If it works, it needs to be in circulation, period. But I've read some promising research on it, so fingers crossed.
 
I saw the most bizarre post on social media this morning.

It was from a guy I know professionally. We don't talk a lot, but we have enough for me to know he's a hardcore libber.

This morning, with much pomp and circumstance, he had a deeply personal announcement to make: He's got the covid.

He then explained he had the shot, and said that was why his symptoms were mild. I love how dems are like "Oh of course that's what should happen, the shot is working as intended!' LOL

He basically set it up as if the entire household was on lockdown and the doors had been locked to keep the grim reaper at bay. He posted pictures of how him and his family were struggling to deal with this.

Here's the really bizarre part to me.....he said they had made up a 'shopping list' if anyone wanted to help them get through this crisis. It was an Amazon list and all the products they needed were cleaning supplies and food, all insanely overpriced, a roll of paper towels for $15, disinfecting wipes for $30. Each item had a notation explaining that the CDC reccomended this particular product to help liberals who don't know how to take care of themselves get through covid.

The upshot of all this was.....here was a guy in his early 40s, who had a very mild case of the flu, and he had no earthly idea how to handle it.

You go to bed for a day or two, then go on with your life. Good grief. This cat thought he was about to lose it all, so he was hoping his 'community of helpers and care-givers' could save him.

I'm not sure if this was a sadder example of how the libs worry over catching a flu strain with a 99.99% survival rate (on par with regular flu, shot cheerleaders don't like it when you point that out), or if it was an example of how the average liberal has absolutely no idea how to take care of themselves.

This country really is going to shit.
 
I saw the most bizarre post on social media this morning.

It was from a guy I know professionally. We don't talk a lot, but we have enough for me to know he's a hardcore libber.

This morning, with much pomp and circumstance, he had a deeply personal announcement to make: He's got the covid.

He then explained he had the shot, and said that was why his symptoms were mild. I love how dems are like "Oh of course that's what should happen, the shot is working as intended!' LOL

He basically set it up as if the entire household was on lockdown and the doors had been locked to keep the grim reaper at bay. He posted pictures of how him and his family were struggling to deal with this.

Here's the really bizarre part to me.....he said they had made up a 'shopping list' if anyone wanted to help them get through this crisis. It was an Amazon list and all the products they needed were cleaning supplies and food, all insanely overpriced, a roll of paper towels for $15, disinfecting wipes for $30. Each item had a notation explaining that the CDC reccomended this particular product to help liberals who don't know how to take care of themselves get through covid.

The upshot of all this was.....here was a guy in his early 40s, who had a very mild case of the flu, and he had no earthly idea how to handle it.

You go to bed for a day or two, then go on with your life. Good grief. This cat thought he was about to lose it all, so he was hoping his 'community of helpers and care-givers' could save him.

I'm not sure if this was a sadder example of how the libs worry over catching a flu strain with a 99.99% survival rate (on par with regular flu, shot cheerleaders don't like it when you point that out), or if it was an example of how the average liberal has absolutely no idea how to take care of themselves.

This country really is going to shit.
Its a religion to some of them. The thing that still surprised me the most was how many Reps (not the hard core Trump people) fell for all this mask and lockdown nonsense. Heck a few still are though some have came around.
 
It is a computer simulation study but hopefully it gets the ball rolling through some more experiments. Link to the study:
I have donated 2 years worth of computing time to covid simulations.

 
That's awesome.
There is some redundancy as I have put different OSes on a few machines.

Device nameRuntimeResults returned
android_32c104321:087:17:01:06513
hp-notebook1:030:19:39:441,132
dim24000:269:20:26:08423
DESKTOP-hp3:140:20:16:4811,310
Ideapad-mint0:320:15:11:001,247
android_b8f718dc0:336:07:44:20571
DimE521Mint0:172:15:24:10796
HPDesktop0:000:14:42:419
HP-Laptop0:185:18:11:14644
admin1-Dimension-E5210:020:02:59:2871

Project nameStatusRuntimeResults returnedBadge
OpenPandemics - COVID-19Active2:114:13:49:353,320
2 year badge for OpenPandemics - COVID-19
Africa Rainfall ProjectActive1:166:06:06:47447
1 year badge for Africa Rainfall Project
Help Stop TBActive0:004:16:19:595
Mapping Cancer MarkersActive3:029:17:48:275,544
2 year badge for Mapping Cancer Markers
Microbiome Immunity ProjectCompleted2:004:12:19:426,578
2 year badge for Microbiome Immunity Project
Smash Childhood CancerIntermittent0:150:13:12:09822
90 day badge for Smash Childhood Cancer
 
There is some redundancy as I have put different OSes on a few machines.

Device nameRuntimeResults returned
android_32c104321:087:17:01:06513
hp-notebook1:030:19:39:441,132
dim24000:269:20:26:08423
DESKTOP-hp3:140:20:16:4811,310
Ideapad-mint0:320:15:11:001,247
android_b8f718dc0:336:07:44:20571
DimE521Mint0:172:15:24:10796
HPDesktop0:000:14:42:419
HP-Laptop0:185:18:11:14644
admin1-Dimension-E5210:020:02:59:2871

Project nameStatusRuntimeResults returnedBadge
OpenPandemics - COVID-19Active2:114:13:49:353,320
2 year badge for OpenPandemics - COVID-19
Africa Rainfall ProjectActive1:166:06:06:47447
1 year badge for Africa Rainfall Project
Help Stop TBActive0:004:16:19:595
Mapping Cancer MarkersActive3:029:17:48:275,544
2 year badge for Mapping Cancer Markers
Microbiome Immunity ProjectCompleted2:004:12:19:426,578
2 year badge for Microbiome Immunity Project
Smash Childhood CancerIntermittent0:150:13:12:09822
90 day badge for Smash Childhood Cancer
Are your results being captured and curated somewhere? With scripps? Curious if they let you know the results
 
Are your results being captured and curated somewhere? With scripps? Curious if they let you know the results
Each project has a different sponsor.. WCG was the IBM sub who handled the collaborations and BOINC provided the client software for the CPU sharing.

Some Canadian outfit is taking over for IBM and will run collaborations. I do not see the actual data but it is supposed to be open source.

 
Each project has a different sponsor.. WCG was the IBM sub who handled the collaborations and BOINC provided the client software for the CPU sharing.

Some Canadian outfit is taking over for IBM and will run collaborations. I do not see the actual data but it is supposed to be open source.

I’d be curious as to the findings of the research.
 
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