Presidential Pardons

[instaGATOR]

The President can grant a pardon to a person who was convicted in a United States District Court, the Superior Court of the District of Columbia, or a military court-martial. A pardon is an expression of forgiveness and can help eliminate some of the consequences of a conviction. -- Updated September 5, 2024

Pardon After Completion of Sentence

www.justice.gov

Hopefully this thread will be a long and much needed discussion.
I see FJB's pardon list as a partial list of the corrupt criminals seeking to avoid the justice that they so richly deserve.

You cannot pardon something that has yet to be charged, prosecuted, and found guilty for.
From the Office of Pardon Attorney - A presidential pardon is for a federal conviction in the United States.
What a Presidential Pardon is NOT, is a carte blanche 'Get Outta Jail FREE' card!

President Joe Biden on Monday issued an extraordinary slate of preemptive pardons for prominent critics of President-elect Donald Trump and members of his own family, using executive prerogative as a shield against revenge by his incoming successor while also guaranteeing his closest relatives aren’t subject to future prosecutions.
The pardons, coming in the final hours of Biden’s presidency, amount to a stunning flex of (assumed) presidential power that is unprecedented in recent presidential history.

A number of Biden’s own family members had testified before a House Oversight panel looking into accusations of Joe Biden's long history of criminal influence peddling.

“Even when individuals have done nothing wrong and will ultimately be exonerated, the mere fact of being investigated or prosecuted can irreparably damage their reputations and finances,” the outgoing president said.

Seems funny to the iG, that FJB would admit to doing exactly what he has been doing for 4+ years to Trump and to his patriotic supporters, and he now fears the justice of revenge for so doing. (see revenge definition)

https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/20/politics/joe-biden-preemptive-pardons/index.html

Extraordinary - going beyond what is usual, regular, or customary. - very unusual, special, unexpected, or strange:

Preemptive - serving or intended to preempt or forestall something, especially to prevent attack by disabling the enemy:

Revenge - harm done to someone as a punishment for harm that they have already done to someone else:

Unprecedented - an adjective that means having no precedent or not done or experienced before

Carte Blanche - "blank document" and implies complete freedom or authority.

Sometimes you only need to clearly define the words used, to get to the intent of the actions being taken.

I'm just getting started on this subject and I look forward to any and all responses to the 'Presidential Pardon' subject.
BTW, Trump can legitimately give a felicitous pardon to the Jan 6th victims for their highly questionable partisan Federal convictions. (I'd rather see them toughly investigated and then over-turned rather than pardoned)
But he CANNOT give any pardons for future crimes not yet committed for anyone, including his own family.

 

[instaGATOR]

How far 'Outta Wack' are FJB's Presidential Pardons you might ask?

This will take a little time to work your way through, but it seems necessary to me for understanding.
To much information for me to post it here, so I'll just link you to the information.

9-140.112 - Standards for Considering Pardon Petitions​

9-140.000 - Pardon Attorney

www.justice.gov

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

"The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment."

Sorry I don't see any of the limitations you noted above.

Now lets get on to pardoning the Jan 6 political hostages.

 

[instaGATOR]

"The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment."

Sorry I don't see any of the limitations you noted above.

Now lets get on to pardoning the Jan 6 political hostages.

And I'm sorry that you are unable to understand what is obvious.

Now you are free to list all of the individual offenders, and all of the crimes and/or OFFENSES AGAINST THE united States that FJB is pardoning all of them for committing.
Seems obvious to me that you have failed to go to the link and read, much less understand it.

9-140.112 - Standards for Considering Pardon Petitions​

9-140.000 - Pardon Attorney​

www.justice.gov


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Moving right along.....

What Criminal Traitor Joe Biden is attempting to do is not his in Constitutional Power as an elected Public SERVANT of the Sovereign Citizens of the united States of America.

What is being attempted is his further destroying of the Constitutional LIMITS that the Sovereign Citizens put on the Federal Government when they allowed a Federal Govt. to be formed.
Hired and paid for Public Servants, including Presidents, do not over-rule the Sovereign Citizens.

If the Carte Blanche pre-pardons are allowed to stand, then the Sovereign Citizens have given up their own Constitution protections from any self appointed TRAITOROUS TYRANT.

IMOHO, it is now time for the Patriotic Sovereign Citizens to stand up and scream,,,
THIS SHALL NOT STAND!!!

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

And I'm sorry that you are unable to understand what is obvious.

Now you are free to list all of the individual offenders, and all of the crimes and/or OFFENSES AGAINST THE united States that FJB is pardoning all of them for committing.
Seems obvious to me that you have failed to go to the link and read, much less understand it.

9-140.112 - Standards for Considering Pardon Petitions​

9-140.000 - Pardon Attorney​

The Constitution is the Supreme law of the land. I do not need to read some statute or "standards"

www.justice.gov


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Moving right along.....

What Criminal Traitor Joe Biden is attempting to do is not his in Constitutional Power as an elected Public SERVANT of the Sovereign Citizens of the united States of America.

What is being attempted is his further destroying of the Constitutional LIMITS that the Sovereign Citizens put on the Federal Government when they allowed a Federal Govt. to be formed.
Hired and paid for Public Servants, including Presidents, do not over-rule the Sovereign Citizens.

If the Carte Blanche pre-pardons are allowed to stand, then the Sovereign Citizens have given up their own Constitution protections from any self appointed TRAITOROUS TYRANT.

IMOHO, it is now time for the Patriotic Sovereign Citizens to stand up and scream,,,
THIS SHALL NOT STAND!!!

See above.

Its time to pardon the persecuted and move forward with MAGA.

 

[instaGATOR]

The Constitution is the Supreme law of the land. I do not need to read some statute or "standards"

See above.

Its time to pardon the persecuted and move forward with MAGA.

Your 'Opinion' is welcomed, as misconstrued as I see it to be.
Makes me wonder why you are one of the few that would like for this to 'Move On' quickly....

IMOHO, you are clueless about what the Constitution is, says, and does.
Hopefully the Supreme Court will end the pre-pardons BS permanently, and if not, then the Sovereign Citizens will take the necessary actions to correct this kind of tyranny from moving forward.

The only sorta good news in FJB's un-Constitutional pre-pardons is this caveat.
For the (hopefully short) period while the un-Constitution pardons stand:

“The pardons are actually great news. No one who was just pardoned will be able to refuse to testify in a civil, criminal, or congressional proceeding based upon the 5th Amendment,” Binnall wrote. (and their testimony will be subject to the perjury provisions)

The pardons also won’t protect those who received them from congressional investigation, or other types of investigation, such as tax inquiry, if those were to arise. The pardons would only protect them from federal criminal charges.

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

You 'Opinion' is welcomed, as misconstrued as I see it to be.
Makes me wonder why you are one of the few that would like for this to 'Move On' quickly....

IMOHO, you are clueless about what the Constitution is, says, and does.
Hopefully the Supreme Court will end the pre-pardons BS permanently, and if not, then the Sovereign Citizens will take the necessary actions to correct this kind of tyranny from moving forward.

The only sorta good news in FJB's un-Consitutional pre-pardons is this caveat.
For the (hopefully short) period while the un-Constitution pardons stand:

“The pardons are actually great news. No one who was just pardoned will be able to refuse to testify in a civil, criminal, or congressional proceeding based upon the 5th Amendment,” Binnall wrote. (and their testimony will be subject to the perjury provisions)

The pardons also won’t protect those who received them from congressional investigation, or other types of investigation, such as tax inquiry, if those were to arise. The pardons would only protect them from federal criminal charges.

I posted an exact quote. The time to have prevented this abuse of office was Jan 6 2020.

Neither you or I did anything about it but complain on a message board.

The people needing a pardon are in jail for courageously protesting the steal.

I could care less about the former Thief in Chief. He is old news. Time to fix this country and MAGA. Today is a day to celebrate. MAGA.

 

[instaGATOR]

The Constitution is the Supreme law of the land. I do not need to read some statute or "standards"

See above.

Its time to pardon the persecuted and move forward with MAGA.

The Constitution is NOT SUPREME. It contains the LIMITATION put on the Fed.Govt.
The SOVEREIGN CITIZENS that wrote and established it are supreme.
Just like the Supreme Court is not made up of Supreme Beings.
The Supreme Court is ONLY supreme to the lower courts, nothing else.

We the People (Sovereign Citizens) of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Further - The 10th (states rights) Amendment simply says:
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people (sovereign citizens).” This one sentence has had a significant impact on the course of American history and the relationship between the federal government and individual states in the country. It was ratified as part of the Bill of Rights on December 15, 1791.

The correct order of authority is this:

> The Sovereign Citizens
>> The Sovereign Citizens elected public servant state governments.
>>>The Sovereign Citizens elected public servant federal government under the government limiting Constitution.

While the traitorous self appointed 'Royalty and Tyrants' will continue to reverse the above order of authority, supported by traitors in the black robes of judges and their lackey 'officers of the court' attorneys.

I posted an exact quote. The time to have prevented this abuse of office was Jan 6 2020.

Neither you or I did anything about it but complain on a message board.

The people needing a pardon are in jail for courageously protesting the steal.

I could care less about the former Thief in Chief. He is old news. Time to fix this country and MAGA. Today is a day to celebrate. MAGA.

As to what I personally did on Jan 6th is this, you can only speak for yourself on what you did.
When you have personal limitations, you can still write letters. -- Albert Pike
I gave my physical combat decorated honorable service to my country 50+ years ago.
I'm now rated as a 90% disabled veteran.
I continue to speak publicly and write letters and emails to others, including to my elected representatives to express my concerns.
If called upon to physically protect my freedom, I will still do whatever I'm able to do.
What I won't do is ever stand down when tyrants are attempting to take control.
I was doing MAGA long before Trump came to the fore.... While I $upport his efforts, I'm not new!

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

The Constitution is NOT SUPREME. It contains the LIMITATION put on the Fed.Govt.
The SOVEREIGN CITIZENS that wrote and established it are supreme.
Just like the Supreme Court is not made up of Supreme Beings.
The Supreme Court is ONLY supreme to the lower courts, nothing else.

We the People (Sovereign Citizens) of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Further - The 10th (states rights) Amendment simply says:
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people (sovereign citizens).” This one sentence has had a significant impact on the course of American history and the relationship between the federal government and individual states in the country. It was ratified as part of the Bill of Rights on December 15, 1791.

The correct order of authority is this:

> The Sovereign Citizens
>> The Sovereign Citizens elected public servant state governments.
>>>The Sovereign Citizens elected public servant federal government under the government limiting Constitution.

While the traitorous self appointed 'Royalty and Tyrants' will continue to reverse the above order of authority, supported by traitors in the black robes of judges and their lackey 'officers of the court' attorneys.



As to what I personally did on Jan 6th is this, you can only speak for yourself on what you did.
When you have personal limitations, you can still write letters. -- Albert Pike
I game my physical combat decorated honorable service to my country 50+ years ago.
I'm now rated as a 90% disabled veteran.
I continue to speak publicly and write letters and emails to others, including to my elected representatives to express my concerns.
If called upon to physically protect my freedom, I will still do whatever I'm able to do.
What I won't do is ever stand down when tyrants are attempting to take control.
I was doing MAGA long before Trump came to the fore.... While I $upport his efforts, I'm not new!

Thank you for your service.

 

[IrishPokerDog]

DC, I think in your excerpt of the constitution, explain how a president can pardon offenses that have not been identified? Thats what I think Insta is saying, and I agree

 

[instaGATOR]

Thank you for your service.

You're welcome. It was my honor and privilege to be of service to my country and to my fellow sovereign citizens.

 

[Illegal-shift]

The Pardon power needs to be changed or done away with. Its gotten out of control and is being used for things it was not intended for.

 

[IrishPokerDog]

The Pardon power needs to be changed or done away with. Its gotten out of control and is being used for things it was not intended for.

Yeah….. like a fire sale of clemency to fund presidential libraries

 

[instaGATOR]

DC, I think in your excerpt of the constitution, explain how a president can pardon offenses that have not been identified? Thats what I think Insta is saying, and I agree

Here's why I posted the link, so this kind of confusion would not take place... Ah well.... 🙄

Title 9 U.S. DoJ​

9-140.110 - Office of the Pardon Attorney ​

The Pardon Attorney assists the President in the exercise of his power under Article II, Section 2, clause 1 of the Constitution (the pardon clause). See Executive Order dated June 16, 1893 (transferring clemency petition processing and advisory functions to the Justice Department), the Rules Governing the Processing of Petitions for Executive Clemency

9-140.112 - Standards for Considering Pardon Petitions​

In general, a pardon is granted on the basis of the petitioner's demonstrated good conduct for a substantial period of time after conviction and service of sentence. The Department's regulations require a petitioner to wait a period of at least five years after conviction or release from confinement (whichever is later) before filing a pardon application (28 CFR Section 1.2). The Department may grant a waiver of the five-year requirement. In determining whether a particular petitioner should be recommended for a pardon, the following are the principal factors taken into account. (continued A-B-C-D-E under Standards)

9-140.113 - Standards for Considering Commutation Petitions​

A commutation of sentence reduces the period of incarceration; it does not imply forgiveness of the underlying offense, but simply remits a portion of the punishment. It has no effect upon the underlying conviction and does not necessarily reflect upon the fairness of the sentence originally imposed. (which is why the iG would rather have them investigated and over-turned) Requests for commutation generally are not accepted unless and until a person has begun serving that sentence. Nor are commutation requests generally accepted from persons who are presently challenging their convictions or sentences through appeal or other court proceeding. (with 6 more paragraphs of conditions)

Being too lazy to read and learn is a real shame IMOHO.... 😒

 

[instaGATOR]

As with many of other governmental actions, the Pardon procedure doesn't need fixing or over-turning, it just needs to be followed to the letter of the law, (much like current immigration laws).... 🤓

 

[IrishPokerDog]

Here's why I posted the link, so this kind of confusion would not take place... Ah well.... 🙄

Title 9 U.S. DoJ​

9-140.110 - Office of the Pardon Attorney ​

The Pardon Attorney assists the President in the exercise of his power under Article II, Section 2, clause 1 of the Constitution (the pardon clause). See Executive Order dated June 16, 1893 (transferring clemency petition processing and advisory functions to the Justice Department), the Rules Governing the Processing of Petitions for Executive Clemency

9-140.112 - Standards for Considering Pardon Petitions​

In general, a pardon is granted on the basis of the petitioner's demonstrated good conduct for a substantial period of time after conviction and service of sentence. The Department's regulations require a petitioner to wait a period of at least five years after conviction or release from confinement (whichever is later) before filing a pardon application (28 CFR Section 1.2). The Department may grant a waiver of the five-year requirement. In determining whether a particular petitioner should be recommended for a pardon, the following are the principal factors taken into account. (continued A-B-C-D-E under Standards)

9-140.113 - Standards for Considering Commutation Petitions​

A commutation of sentence reduces the period of incarceration; it does not imply forgiveness of the underlying offense, but simply remits a portion of the punishment. It has no effect upon the underlying conviction and does not necessarily reflect upon the fairness of the sentence originally imposed. (which is why the iG would rather have them investigated and over-turned) Requests for commutation generally are not accepted unless and until a person has begun serving that sentence. Nor are commutation requests generally accepted from persons who are presently challenging their convictions or sentences through appeal or other court proceeding. (with 6 more paragraphs of conditions)

Being too lazy to read and learn is a real shame IMOHO.... 😒

No, I get it…. But DC was wanting to use the verbiage directly from short form constitution - so I addressed the point from
his quote

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

DC, I think in your excerpt of the constitution, explain how a president can pardon offenses that have not been identified? Thats what I think Insta is saying, and I agree

The verbiage just says offenses. It doesn't even say convictions. Its broad but does contain one exclusion. SCOTUS will make up the "rules" for it. But I would not be surprised if they punt or allow it due to separation of powers and not having the judiciary encroaching on another branches exclusive territory. Its an absolute can of worms to try and micromanage another branches Constitutional powers.

So just elect better people or make an amendment.

 

[instaGATOR]

No, I get it…. But DC was wanting to use the verbiage directly from short form constitution - so I addressed the point from
his quote

I understood that ipd. My response was mostly directed to DC, but anyone/everyone else needs to take a few minutes to go to that link to get a clue on P-P's. Hopefully others will do so and then give their own considered opinions as to what should take place in response to FJB's continued traitorous actions upon leaving the office.

The FACT that FJB and his fellow Demonrats preformed a 2020 election coup on the sovereign citizens is another problem to now be dealt with. We'll see if 'The Donald' is up to that job or not shortly....

 

[IrishPokerDog]

The verbiage just says offenses. It doesn't even say convictions. Its broad but does contain one exclusion. SCOTUS will make up the "rules" for it. But I would not be surprised if they punt or allow it due to separation of powers and not having the judiciary encroaching on another branches exclusive territory. Its an absolute can of worms to try and micromanage another branches Constitutional powers.

So just elect better people or make an amendment.

It’s not an offense unless you are convicted in this country - sheesh……

 

[nail1988]

Sorry Kal

 

[instaGATOR]

The verbiage just says offenses. It doesn't even say convictions. Its broad but does contain one exclusion. SCOTUS will make up the "rules" for it. But I would not be surprised if they punt or allow it due to separation of powers and not having the judiciary encroaching on another branches exclusive territory. Its an absolute can of worms to try and micromanage another branches Constitutional powers.

So just elect better people or make an amendment.

The job of the Supreme Court is to enforce the ORIGINAL 'LIMITING' INTENT of the Constitution for the other federal branches in service to the SOVEREIGN CITIZENS.
What they should do,,, IS TO DO THEIR DANM JOB! (or resign their appointed seat on the court)

Title 9 U.S. DoJ​

9-140.110 - Office of the Pardon Attorney ​

The Pardon Attorney assists the President in the exercise of his power under Article II, Section 2, clause 1 of the Constitution (the pardon clause).
See Executive Order dated June 16, 1893 (transferring clemency petition processing and advisory functions to the Justice Department), the Rules Governing the Processing of Petitions for Executive Clemency

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

It’s not an offense unless you are convicted in this country - sheesh……

Maybe but that is what SCOTUS will decide if they take a case.

Precedent: Nixon was never charged or convicted of a crime. Ford pardoned him.

Sorry IMHO its time to move on instead of doing more bad things because Biden was a turd who did bad things with his power.

 

[instaGATOR]

Sorry Kal

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Sadly, that's also the WRONG way to go about this, and a further abuse of the Presidential power granted by the SOVEREIGN CITIZENS in the Constitution, by the new President taking office.

Our continued Sovereignty is vastly more important imo, than getting the victims of the Demonrats out of their illegal incarcerations. (legally over-turned not un-Constitutionally pardoned)

While I also want them out of jail ASAP, there is a correct way to go about it, and this is not it imo.

Benjamin Franklin said “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety” and will soon have neither....

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

The job of the Supreme Court is to enforce the ORIGINAL 'LIMITING' INTENT of the Constitution for the other federal branches in service to the SOVEREIGN CITIZENS.
What they should do,,, IS TO DO THEIR DANM JOB! (or resign their appointed seat on the court)

Title 9 U.S. DoJ​

9-140.110 - Office of the Pardon Attorney ​

The Pardon Attorney assists the President in the exercise of his power under Article II, Section 2, clause 1 of the Constitution (the pardon clause).
See Executive Order dated June 16, 1893 (transferring clemency petition processing and advisory functions to the Justice Department), the Rules Governing the Processing of Petitions for Executive Clemency

Don't know what to tell you except that the POTUS is head of the executive branch and the "Pardon Attorney" reports to him. Not sure an employee can do anything but advise. I am not sure Harrison's edict is binding for all time.

 

[instaGATOR]

Don't know what to tell you except that the POTUS is head of the executive branch and the "Pardon Attorney" reports to him. Not sure an employee can do anything but advise. I am not sure Harrison's edict is binding for all time.

The PRESIDENT is nothing but the hired and paid PUBLIC SERVANT of the SOVEREIGN CITIZENS that he works for. He's the employee. >>> Until you stop seeing him as ROYALTY with the ultimate authority, your/our problems will expand and continue, while our FREEDOMS go steadily down the tyrants drain....

WE, the sovereign citizens, are the ones that have the AUTHORITY to decide things like this, not any person or any department (including SCOTUS) of the federal government.
Back to the SOVEREIGN AUTHORITY PYRAMID you go.... 🤓

The President doesn't decide. The SCOTUS also doesn't decide.
The Sovereign Citizens decide, unless they with to become the unarmed peasants again.