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President Catches Cold Virus

Yeah but there in lies the problem. People like you trying to make arguments with a lay persons understanding of something that’s far more technical than your basic knowledge allows.

In other words your mouth is writing to check your brain can’t cash in this case.

In the purest sense of the term influenza is a cold virus. And they’re all versions of upper respiratory tract infections, generally speaking. There are over 100 types of cold viruses and the virulent nature of certain cold viruses is well known. Hence the intentional title of this thread, to see who would get caught in the fly paper :)
Genetically speaking how related are influenza, corona and rhinoviruses?

And when people talk about these virii mutating it seems they impart some sort of self protection mechanism of the virus allowing it to "evolve" to thwart the immune system or vaccines.

It may be subtle and of no practical importance but these virii are not self directed or changing due to "natural selection" but rather errors are introduced into the code by the host and the virus' incompatibility due to the length of code or the hosts attempt to modify the code in self defense of itself.

The subtle difference is that lay people (of which I am one) believe the virus is mutating in response to "attacks" or "natural selection" when the host is actually "driving the bus" as virii barley meet the definition of life and are barely more "alive" than a prion.

Your thoughts if you care to opine?
 
Genetically speaking how related are influenza, corona and rhinoviruses?

And when people talk about these virii mutating it seems they impart some sort of self protection mechanism of the virus allowing it to "evolve" to thwart the immune system or vaccines.

It may be subtle and of no practical importance but these virii are not self directed or changing due to "natural selection" but rather errors are introduced into the code by the host and the virus' incompatibility due to the length of code or the hosts attempt to modify the code in self defense of itself.

The subtle difference is that lay people (of which I am one) believe the virus is mutating in response to "attacks" or "natural selection" when the host is actually "driving the bus" as virii barley meet the definition of life and are barely more "alive" than a prion.

Your thoughts if you care to opine?
Rhinovirus are approximately 8000 NT RNA Viruses
Influenzas are RNA viruses
COVID19 is an RNA virus

All our upper respiratory tract infection viruses meeting they enter the human body primarily through the respiratory system. They all cause cold like symptoms which are again related to the invasion of the nose and upper respiratory tract. Typically you will see cough, congestion, runny nose, fever, shortness of breath and generalized body aches

RNA viruses are inherently less stable than DNA viruses and therefore mutate more frequently. Mutations are simply mistakes in the reproduction of the virus. Sometimes, most the time, the mistakes are bad and lead to the death of that particular viron. Occasionally this mistake allows that particular virus to survive better and replicate more frequently and therefore that mutation starts to take hold as a more prominent feature in future generations of that virus.

Generally speaking mutations that allow the virus to infect the host, live in the house, replicate, and then shed from the host without killing the host are the most successful mutations because the more host the virus have available the better the virus does and reproduction. There is zero benefit to the virus for killing the host. Therefore more virulent strains of viruses tend to die out because they kill the host and ones that don’t kill the host to replicate more and out survive and win out over the more virulent viruses.

The thing that makes COVID-19 difficult and some patience is not the virus itself but the immune response to the virus which leads to a process known as acute respiratory distress syndrome which can be fatal if severe enough.

Interestingly enough, all viruses can cause this it’s just that COVID-19, is it more frequently than most viruses. Influenza also is a very harsh virus and can cause the same issues and in particularly destroys the long is in such a way as to allow them to get set up for a secondary infection which often is very difficult as well and usually bacterial with staph aureus.

Vaccines increase the type of immunity that prevents infection in the first place which is good immunity. The type of immunity that response to infection tends to be good for most people intends to allow us to fight the virus off in a few days but it’s those occasional ones to get the hyper immune response and have the most problems with Covid.

Vaccines increase the type of immunity that prevents infection in the first place which is good immunity. The type of immunity that response to infection tends to be good for most people intends to allow us to fight the virus off in a few days but it’s those occasional ones to get the hyper immune response and have the most problems with Covid.

Man that’s a real quick summation. I could probably wax on about this for hours but I hope that answers your question
 
This is not meant as a mean criticism of anyone. I can ask questions about the numerically dysfunctional and idiotic English system of measurement till the sun comes up tomorrow, no one here can answer. The system takes a lifetime of learning and MEMORIZING. I must always be armed with a calculator.

I can ask any dope on a street corner in Toronto, "how many meters are in 1.2 kilometers?" He'll answer the question.

I can ask Mensa genius Geena Davis, "how many yards are in 1.2 miles?" She doesn't have a clue.

I am a lay person.
 
This is not meant as a mean criticism of anyone. I can ask questions about the numerically dysfunctional and idiotic English system of measurement till the sun comes up tomorrow, no one here can answer. The system takes a lifetime of learning and MEMORIZING. I must always be armed with a calculator.

I can ask any dope on a street corner in Toronto, "how many meters are in 1.2 kilometers?" He'll answer the question.

I can ask Mensa genius Geena Davis, "how many yards are in 1.2 miles?" She doesn't have a clue.

I am a lay person.
Yeah but how often does Geena Davis tell everybody she’s an expert in the English measurement system :)

Oh and the answer to everything is 42.
 
Rhinovirus are approximately 8000 NT RNA Viruses
Influenzas are RNA viruses
COVID19 is an RNA virus

All our upper respiratory tract infection viruses meeting they enter the human body primarily through the respiratory system. They all cause cold like symptoms which are again related to the invasion of the nose and upper respiratory tract. Typically you will see cough, congestion, runny nose, fever, shortness of breath and generalized body aches

RNA viruses are inherently less stable than DNA viruses and therefore mutate more frequently. Mutations are simply mistakes in the reproduction of the virus. Sometimes, most the time, the mistakes are bad and lead to the death of that particular viron. Occasionally this mistake allows that particular virus to survive better and replicate more frequently and therefore that mutation starts to take hold as a more prominent feature in future generations of that virus.

Generally speaking mutations that allow the virus to infect the host, live in the house, replicate, and then shed from the host without killing the host are the most successful mutations because the more host the virus have available the better the virus does and reproduction. There is zero benefit to the virus for killing the host. Therefore more virulent strains of viruses tend to die out because they kill the host and ones that don’t kill the host to replicate more and out survive and win out over the more virulent viruses.

The thing that makes COVID-19 difficult and some patience is not the virus itself but the immune response to the virus which leads to a process known as acute respiratory distress syndrome which can be fatal if severe enough.

Interestingly enough, all viruses can cause this it’s just that COVID-19, is it more frequently than most viruses. Influenza also is a very harsh virus and can cause the same issues and in particularly destroys the long is in such a way as to allow them to get set up for a secondary infection which often is very difficult as well and usually bacterial with staph aureus.

Vaccines increase the type of immunity that prevents infection in the first place which is good immunity. The type of immunity that response to infection tends to be good for most people intends to allow us to fight the virus off in a few days but it’s those occasional ones to get the hyper immune response and have the most problems with Covid.

Vaccines increase the type of immunity that prevents infection in the first place which is good immunity. The type of immunity that response to infection tends to be good for most people intends to allow us to fight the virus off in a few days but it’s those occasional ones to get the hyper immune response and have the most problems with Covid.

Man that’s a real quick summation. I could probably wax on about this for hours but I hope that answers your question
On the genetics I meant something along the lines of "family" or length of code.

I know a lot of these are a sphere with spikes.

How much similarity is there to the RNA code between these viruses?

Not a biology guy so I was hoping you would go up the classification tree for me and say they all belong to x and they have x percentage of RNA code in common...so they either just look similar and are distantly related or they look similar because they are x percentage the same code.

As a computer guy the code aspect of RNA and the replication mechanisms are fascinating...biology in general not so much.

And the similarity between flu mutations and computer viruses are more than just in name. In computers some viruses exploit what is know as an overflow error where code is too long and the computer is tricked into executing it as it is appended to regular code. Some flus the code length ensure that every x copy is actually a mutation as the bodies computer introduces an error in the code because the length of code is an improper length for correct execution.
 
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On the genetics I meant something along the lines of "family" or length of code.

I know a lot of these are a sphere with spikes.

How much similarity is there to the RNA code between these viruses?

Not a biology guy so I was hoping you would go up the classification tree for me and say they all belong to x and they have x percentage of RNA code in common...so they either just look similar and are distantly related or they look similar because they are x percentage the same code.

As a computer guy the code aspect of RNA and the replication mechanisms are fascinating...biology in general not so much.

And the similarity between flu mutations and computer viruses are more than just in name. In computers some viruses exploit what is know as an overflow error where code is too long and the computer is tricked into executing it as it is appended to regular code. Some flus the code length ensure that every x copy is actually a mutation as the bodies computer introduces an error in the code because the length of code is an improper length for correct execution.
Not sure I can answer that for you as well as a virologist that may be studying this virus. Will have to defer to them.
 
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So if President and First Lady are just fine in a few days, can we all agree its a hoax, that you guys got hoodwinked, and we should completely reopen the country immediately?

@sadgator, that sounds reasonable, yes?
...and now he’s in the hospital...boy...you really haven’t “critically” thought on this at all have you???....

#worldwideheathcrisis...just saying...

kinda sucks to be right...but sadgator normally is...
 
...and now he’s in the hospital...boy...you really haven’t “critically” thought on this at all have you???....

#worldwideheathcrisis...just saying...

kinda sucks to be right...but sadgator normally is...

Abundance of caution...I'm glad they've made this choice. I feared that, out of political expedience, they would attempt to tough it out without said caution. I feared that would backfire given his age.
 
I guess God doesn’t want another Trump term.

C'mon man...that's just unnecessary.

You can blame your awful comment on awful comments by others if it makes you feel better...and then they can do the same based on yours.

Maybe it would be better to just be better and set the example that you claim others should adhere to.
 
Because people normally admit themselves into the hospital in an abundance of caution with a cold or the flu...

sheep hoodwinked again...

If "people" means a 70+ year POTUS I would say yes, that sounds like a pretty reasonable precaution.

This could absolutely kill him. It would be irresponsible not to take this precaution and the left would hammer him if he didn't. That said, I doubt VERY seriously that he is in bad shape at this moment. 4 or 5 days from now, maybe....assuming he got it from his hot/not hot adviser and it's likely that he did.
 
Boy, there’s somebody else who this quote could certainly apply to...wonder who that could be??? Hmmmmmm...

But we agree that it applies to the person that i responded to, right?

Everyone else can read it as well.
 
Because people normally admit themselves into the hospital in an abundance of caution with a cold or the flu...

sheep hoodwinked again...

To be fair, a 74 year old even with a common influenza, which covid-19 is not, might check into a hospital if their O2 sat started to drop at all ( which I suspect).
 
...and now he’s in the hospital...boy...you really haven’t “critically” thought on this at all have you???....

#worldwideheathcrisis...just saying...

kinda sucks to be right...but sadgator normally is...

He went to Walter Reed this afternoon. MSM acting like it's breaking news....and you fell for it hook, line and sinker.

Sheep never disappoint.
 
If "people" means a 70+ year POTUS I would say yes, that sounds like a pretty reasonable precaution.
Yes, because of what it is. Obviously. The POTUS ain’t going to the hospital as a “precautionary” measure for a cold...

but of course, those true critical thinkers among is know that this isn’t a cold or the flu...it is a novel coronavirus pandemic and a world-wide health crisis...

some of us just refuse to admit it regardless of what happens...
 
Yes, because of what it is. Obviously. The POTUS ain’t going to the hospital as a “precautionary” measure for a cold...

Of course he would. He's the leader of the free world, if he farts he'll be thrown in a limo and rushed to Walter Reed before the scent hits the ground.
 
Yes, because of what it is. Obviously. The POTUS ain’t going to the hospital as a “precautionary” measure for a cold...

but of course, those true critical thinkers among is know that this isn’t a cold or the flu...it is a novel coronavirus pandemic and a world-wide health crisis...

some of us just refuse to admit it regardless of what happens...

I never called it a cold. It feels like you responded to me but you weren't really responding to me.

This sounds like a reasonable precaution. Like I said, I feared political expedience would prevent it and I'm glad it hasn't.
 
C'mon man...that's just unnecessary.

You can blame your awful comment on awful comments by others if it makes you feel better...and then they can do the same based on yours.

Maybe it would be better to just be better and set the example that you claim others should adhere to.
Follow the logic as expoused by many.

God is all Powerful
God always has a Plan
We don’t always understand His plan, but when he sends a virus unto his people to send a message (like the locusts), and His message is ignored, then He must punish the offender. He clearly doesn’t want Trump to be president.

Or to take the secular approach, Trump is just another Darwin Award recipient.
 
The funniest part is Trump is a known germ-o-phobe. He carries hand sanitizer with him everywhere he goes and has for years.

But the media tells the simpletons that he's not taking any precautions and they believe blindly. He takes far more precautions than the average American does.

And he still caught the flu. Like millions of Americans do every year.
 
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Follow the logic as expoused by many.

God is all Powerful
God always has a Plan
We don’t always understand His plan, but when he sends a virus unto his people to send a message (like the locusts), and His message is ignored, then He must punish the offender. He clearly doesn’t want Trump to be president.

Or to take the secular approach, Trump is just another Darwin Award recipient.

There you are in the hole yet you continue to dig.

I'm embarrassed for you...no worries, I got it covered.
 
Just checked Twitter. While Pres Trump is tweeting that he's feeling fine, all of MSM is going crazy citing 'a source' that tells them that Trump can't breathe, and that 'the next 48 hours will be critical', essentially saying he's about to die.

Again, all this is happening while Trump is tweeting that he's fine.

Dems are evil. It used to be that dems were good people with a few bad apples. Now the entire party is rotten to the core full of evil people, with a few rate exceptions.
 
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The funniest part is Trump is a known germ-o-phobe. He carries hand sanitizer with him everywhere he goes and has for years.

But the media tells the simpletons that he's not taking any precautions and they believe blindly. He takes far more precautions than the average American does.

And he still caught the flu. Like millions of Americans do every year.

Too bad his ego is greater than his germ-o-phobia. He did everything except the one thing that actually works: wearing a mask. And he downplayed mask wearing for months, needlessly increasing the infection rate.
 
Just checked Twitter. While Pres Trump is tweeting that he's feeling fine, all of MSM is going crazy citing 'a source' that tells them that Trump can't breathe, and that 'the next 48 hours will be critical', essentially saying he's about to die.

Again, all this is happening while Trump is tweeting that he's fine.

Dems are evil. It used to be that dems were good people with a few bad apples. Now the entire party is rotten to the core full of evil people, with a few rate exceptions.

Why do you feel the need to assert Trump's current condition when you have no way of knowing what the truth is? The truth will come out eventually, one way or the other.
 
Too bad his ego is greater than his germ-o-phobia. He did everything except the one thing that actually works: wearing a mask. And he downplayed mask wearing for months, needlessly increasing the infection rate.

No he didn't, stop lying. He even had a mask with him on stage at the debate.

And if the mask actually worked then how come we still have millions of cases when the majority of the country has been under a mask mandate for months? Answer that one.
 
Why do you feel the need to assert Trump's current condition when you have no way of knowing what the truth is? The truth will come out eventually, one way or the other.

See? Dems again rushing to the defense of their horribly evil behavior.

Doctors from Walter Reed meet with reporters, tell them Pres Trump is feeling fine, that he hasn't had a fever in 24 hours.

Reporters then claim a 'source' told them that he's having trouble breathing, and 'the next 48 hours will be critical'.

I feel the need to call out evil people. You apparently feel the need to defend them. I think you picked the losing team.
 
I'm amazed by how many people still think wearing a mask is about protecting the mask wearer.

Trump didn't catch the covid because he refused to wear a mask. Pretty funny that this keeps coming up by people who criticize Trump on his stance re: masks.
 
If we can smell farts thru a mask, what makes any of you think a mask can prevent the Chinese virus?

I can verify that farts do indeed penetrate standard masks. So does body oder. I've unfortunately done the research.
 
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