President Catches Cold Virus
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And that shows how uninformed the American public has been about this. I’ve seen viruses wipe out nursing homes before. I’ve seen influenza do that a couple of times. That’s not uncommon. The number of cases in the number of deaths as a relation to percentage of population with places is one of the smallest pandemics in the history of the world. It is well controlled and that is it thanks a great deal due to the current United States government. It could’ve been much better control had China done what it should’ve done in the first place. Considering it’s a cold virus and therefore highly infectious this truly is a minor pandemic historically. That could change, because it’s not over yet, but that’s where things stand now. I’ll grant you this man, at least you’re smart enough to know who not to debate on certain topics. I would not debate an engineer on structure.
Sure, I’m well versed in the statistics. That’s one of my areas of expertise.
I realize the the overall risk of death is relatively low.The difference between that and the common cold, as I see it thru my non medical vision, is that I‘ve never seen the common cold affect people so significantly that it overwhelmed our medical capabilities, or puts otherwise Healthy people into the hospital for weeks or months. You may disagree, but if we took no preventative measures, I have no doubt the number of significant illnesses and deaths would be much higher. I guess we’ll never know.
That being said, I still go to restaurants (less frequently though), have no problems going out in public (with a mask because I respect others) and have even been to a casino a few times. That being said, I realize I’m taking a risk but am willing to live with the consequences. I wouldn’t attend a sporting event, concert or Trump rally because I don’t know that others take the same precautions that me and my family do. My son has asthma and I shutter to think what I would do if I passed the virus onto him.
PS. You keep switching between a cold and influenza. Which is it that you are comparing it to?
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Roids, huh?
It’s not relatively low, it’s INCREDIBLY lowSure, I’m well versed in the statistics. That’s one of my areas of expertise.
The difference between that and the common cold, as I see it thru my non medical vision, is that I‘ve never seen the common cold affect people so significantly that it overwhelmed our medical capabilities, or puts otherwise Healthy people into the hospital for weeks or months. You may disagree, but if we took no preventative measures, I have no doubt the number of significant illnesses and deaths would be much higher. I guess we’ll never know.
That being said, I still go to restaurants (less frequently though), have no problems going out in public (with a mask because I respect others) and have even been to a casino a few times. That being said, I realize I’m taking a risk but am willing to live with the consequences. I wouldn’t attend a sporting event, concert or Trump rally because I don’t know that others take the same precautions that me and my family do. My son has asthma and I shutter to think what I would do if I passed the virus onto him.
PS. You keep switching between a cold and influenza. Which is it that you are comparing it to?
And it’s not just looking at the statistics is comparing it to other pandemics through history.
Take all the politics out of this and just look at The raw numbers, nothing but the raw numbers, and it’s wonderfully sobering to see how unlikely it is that you and I will die from this cold virus.
As a product of population you have a 0.05% chance of dying from this virus in the United States.
It’s even lower worldwide.
Bubonic plague killed 35 to 45% of the worlds population in the 1300s
Influenza killed 5% of the worlds population in 1918
At its worse coronavirus will have killed roughly 0.025% of the worlds population in one year
You’re an expert in statistics, take all the politics out, but that sink in and put it in perspective.
And if you want to be really accurate, the vast majority of people that it kills are 70 and above and all likely to die within the next 5 to 10 years anyway
So if you use the product of years lost it becomes an even milder pandemic historically than anything we’ve seen before.
So ask yourself, as an intelligent man, what’s the real reason we’re making such a big deal out of this virus. I mean what you should do to protect yourself was known in March and told in March. Why do we keep beating this thing like a dead horse? Because a large percentage of the population hates one man and will use any club they can find to hit him with. And I’m not a Trump fan.
Coronavirus is real. It is not a hoax. But the hyped up mass hysteria is an even bigger hoax not based in fact, which has done far more to hurt this nation then this virus ever will.
And all out of hatred of one person. Fascinating.
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Well at this rate Karma is going to be if you get it.
Sure, it’s not as bad as those. Just like the likelihood of dying from a number of other diseases, viruses, etc are much Lowe. That doesn’t make it less dangerous, just recognizing how much medical treatments have advanced over the years. I certainly hope things have improved from the Dark Ages.
So after I asked myself those questions, the answer I came up with is that it’s a potentially deadly virus, especially for the elderly and those with preexisting conditions (millions) , there isn’t a built in immunity like many other flu strains, and there there isn’t a vaccine like Other flu strains. Now while I respect your opinion as a doctor, I also respect the opinion of other medical experts, especially those who specialize in infectious diseases, who warn how dangerous this virus is.
Surely you aren’t saying their medical opinions are political. In fact, even the WH Administration supports those opiNixon’s. It appears to me that Trump is primarily responsible for making it political by downplaying It’s significane, even while privately acknowledging it, as he realized it would hurt his re-election chances. I mean, come on, the man makes fun of people for wearing masks.
He is comparing it to both for perspective concerning epidemics and severity.
Thought I would head YOU off at the pass even though the Dr is more than capable of defending his arguments.
You are not debating your foil. No need to read things into the debate that are not there from the Drs side.
It wasn’t a gotcha. I truly didn’t understand why he is conflating the two.
Surely he agrees the effects from a cold virus are less severe than from influenza, even among the elderly. Colds are still pretty widespread. I don’t recall anyone ever calling them a pandemic. So I don’t think it’s a reasonable comparison.
I think a lot of cold virii are corona virii ( think rhinovirus is most common type of cold) All of the deadly coronas are a cousin of the cold virus. I dont see conflation he is just doing comparisons of like types. I some instances of like type of virii and in others severity as there is no direct 1-1 hence the original name novel corona virus.
I see separation in arguments and can follow. Don't over think it.
During the early stages, I saw many comparing it to a cold in order to downplay its severity, which was pretty disingenuous in hindsight. Not saying the good doctor is doing that.I think a lot of cold virii are corona virii ( think rhinovirus is most common type of cold) All of the deadly coronas are a cousin of the cold virus. I dont see conflation he is just doing comparisons of like types. I some instances of like type of virii and in others severity as there is no direct 1-1 hence the original name novel corona virus.
I see separation in arguments and can follow. Don't over think it.
No, it was about being honest about the severity. That's why the sheep are confused.
Sure, I’m well versed in the statistics. That’s one of my areas of expertise.
The difference between that and the common cold, as I see it thru my non medical vision, is that I‘ve never seen the common cold affect people so significantly that it overwhelmed our medical capabilities, or puts otherwise Healthy people into the hospital for weeks or months. You may disagree, but if we took no preventative measures, I have no doubt the number of significant illnesses and deaths would be much higher. I guess we’ll never know.
That being said, I still go to restaurants (less frequently though), have no problems going out in public (with a mask because I respect others) and have even been to a casino a few times. That being said, I realize I’m taking a risk but am willing to live with the consequences. I wouldn’t attend a sporting event, concert or Trump rally because I don’t know that others take the same precautions that me and my family do. My son has asthma and I shutter to think what I would do if I passed the virus onto him.
PS. You keep switching between a cold and influenza. Which is it that you are comparing it to?
One of your areas of expertise. Roflmao. Which ONE is the other? Narcissism?
It is a cold bars. Coronavirus is one of the numerous cold viruses. Cold viruses kill people sometimes
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Sometimes being the key word. Surely you aren't saying the severity of cold viruses are equivalent to flu viruses.
I got straight A’s in Karma Bullshit Detection
I also finished with. 4.0 at Delaware State a full 2.5 points ahead of Joe Biden who got a degree in Basement Design Sciences!
I also finished with. 4.0 at Delaware State a full 2.5 points ahead of Joe Biden who got a degree in Basement Design Sciences!
Depends on the virus. The current COVID-19 cold virus is worse than influenza. I think we get lost in semantics too much.
And by we I mean you.
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Man with you I feel like I am watching an episode of Perry Mason. And no you are not Perry. You are Hamilton Burger on the cross examine trying trip up Perry's argument or the witness.
Reminder: Hamilton always loses to Perry.
Apparently. I tend to use the more common understanding of the terms, which of course may be different than the technical definitions. For example, I may say heart attack rather than myocardial infarction.
I thought he finally won a case. So there’s still hope for me yet.
Yeah but there in lies the problem. People like you trying to make arguments with a lay persons understanding of something that’s far more technical than your basic knowledge allows.
In other words your mouth is writing to check your brain can’t cash in this case.
In the purest sense of the term influenza is a cold virus. And they’re all versions of upper respiratory tract infections, generally speaking. There are over 100 types of cold viruses and the virulent nature of certain cold viruses is well known. Hence the intentional title of this thread, to see who would get caught in the fly paper
Don’t sell yourself short. Memorization is not the same as intelligence. I don’t know anyone that got an A in Organic strictly based on memorization. You may not be as smart as our resident genius Sunburnt Indian, but you’re probably up there.
But then again, I’ve worked with several MDs and PHDs that were absolutely clueless when it comes to investing.
Yes, but I’m not trying to argue the medical definition, just the commonly used one. When dealing with mere mortals, you have to dumb it down to our level. If you say someone has a cold, no one thinks CV19.Yeah but there in lies the problem. People like you trying to make arguments with a lay persons understanding of something that’s far more technical than your basic knowledge allows.
In other words your mouth is writing to check your brain can’t cash in this case.
In the purest sense of the term influenza is a cold virus. And they’re all versions of upper respiratory tract infections, generally speaking. There are over 100 types of cold viruses and the virulent nature of certain cold viruses is well known. Hence the intentional title of this thread, to see who would get caught in the fly paper
Actually it’s incredibly easy to memorize your way to an a in organic chemistry if you have a good memory. Philosophy and linguistics on the other hand not so much
Yeah, maybe you’re right. I guess that’s where Residency comes into play, to separate the memorization from the practical.
My son was a philosophy major but I swear that boy does the dumbest things at times.
Yeah but people aren’t trying to dumb it down. They’re trying to mislead everybody into believing this is something more than it is for various reasons. That’s what bothers me.
Hahaha
One of my favorite quotes from one of my attending’s when addressing somebody else that was trying to trick me and be rate me when I was a fellow. My attending turn to this other doctor and said Tom, shut up, He’s 10 times the doctor you ever will be at the bedside. Meant more to me than any award or grade I ever got.
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Liberals are already in a state of panic. They are scared to death that Trump will be back to work by next week.
They are already saying on CNN that he better damn NOT beat this in a few days then come out and act like he's a macho man! That will CRUSH his chances! (more importantly, it will crush the left's narrative that this is a killer disease and not just the latest flu strain).
The other spin they are developing is that Trump is lying about having covid. If Trump recovers quickly from this, THAT will be the spin they will run with. Because again, they can't have Trump come back after a few days, that kills their narrative that covid is a death sentence to anyone over 30.
We literally have a media that is the enemy of the people. Trump was exactly right.
They are already saying on CNN that he better damn NOT beat this in a few days then come out and act like he's a macho man! That will CRUSH his chances! (more importantly, it will crush the left's narrative that this is a killer disease and not just the latest flu strain).
The other spin they are developing is that Trump is lying about having covid. If Trump recovers quickly from this, THAT will be the spin they will run with. Because again, they can't have Trump come back after a few days, that kills their narrative that covid is a death sentence to anyone over 30.
We literally have a media that is the enemy of the people. Trump was exactly right.
Oh, and yes, the medical opinions are absolutely political. What these news agencies do is they cherry pick their medical experts based off of their political opinions to match up with what they want. I have been an expert, medical expert, For public broadcasting before and was quiz extensively on my political thoughts before they used me and this particular story. CNN once wanted to use me and after about 20 minutes of conversation on the phone they politely decline to use me and went with somebody I know that, to be frank, doesn’t hold a candle to me as a doctor. So yes, and don’t act all surprised because you know it, the news outlets cherry pick their medical experts and therefore the expert opinion is what they want you to here as opposed to the truth.
Can literally see both of these things being said. What a sham
Again, they will bash him not matter what happens. He will either get better too quick or not quick enough. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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