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agree. A big part is his following from MMA.

That being said, he missed a big opportunity to have that “metal clink around the ankle” by just having a quick follow up question.

As was already mentioned, the trap was set, but it would have “clinked” with one simple question. Ok 2.

Did the FBI mention the laptop? If the answer was no….Did you ask the FBI if the laptop was russia misinformation?

Otherwise, everyone has too many outs.

For scoop members, it’s reminiscent of carey murdock asking lincoln riley if he was going to be LSU’s head coach instead of asking, Will you be OU’s head coach. Left him wiggle room.

just my two cents
I don't think you're wrong, but nothing he says on a Podcast is binding anyway. We know what he said, we know what he meant.

Rogan was playing the long game in the interview, and it's likely a question Zuckerberg wouldn't have answered anyway. I guess it would have been instructive if Zuckerberg had 'no commented' it...but again, based on context it's clear without the follow-up.
 
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3. January 6th - up to the point they stormed the capital it was indeed an American thing to do. Team MAGA could have completely turned the tables had they actually shown restraint and not went in. Again, they did not, Trump waited 187 minutes and we have now that in the mind of swing votes (the ones who actually decide elections), that the MAGA crowd is just as bad as the BLM crowd.
The narrative that the people that went into the Capitol were all watching their phones and would have just stopped and turned around because of a tweet is ridiculous. So now it's just down to optics?

Bottom line is Trump asked for "voices to be heard peacefully". He didn't incite it, and he didn't have the power to stop it. There was nothing to be gained by sending a tweet...oh wait, he was banned from Twitter. Maybe he could have sent a few carrier pigeons in red MAGA hats to stop it?
 
The narrative that the people that went into the Capitol were all watching their phones and would have just stopped and turned around because of a tweet is ridiculous. So now it's just down to optics?

Bottom line is Trump asked for "voices to be heard peacefully". He didn't incite it, and he didn't have the power to stop it. There was nothing to be gained by sending a tweet...oh wait, he was banned from Twitter. Maybe he could have sent a few carrier pigeons in red MAGA hats to stop it?
Actually Trump sent multiple tweets on Jan 6th ENCOURAGING the protesters to be peaceful and OBEY THE LAW.

Twitter DELETED the tweets, claimed they were inciting a riot.

Then the MSM claimed Trump didn't say anything, and THAT incited a riot.

@grandhavendiddy missed all that cause he's terrified of offending Whoopi and Joy.
 
Good grief. Just go be a dem. Rinos are worse.
It's clear, as you have said as much, that you want a civil war (or some variant thereof) and are done working through debate, discussion and compromise. You also feel that your view represents some or most of the MAGA crowd. You and I can agree on 60-80 percent of the issues, but it does not matter.

If so, yes, we are operating on very different planes. And unnecessary and unfortunate.
 
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It's clear, as you have said as much, that you want a civil war (or some variant thereof) and are done working through debate, discussion and compromise. You also feel that your view represents some or most of the MAGA crowd. You and I can agree on 60-80 percent of the issues, but it does not matter.

If so, yes, we are operating on very different planes. And unnecessary and unfortunate.
Nope. War is awful so I do not WANT a civil war. That’s not it. It’s just a clear eyed view of where the left is taking us. Some don’t understand that yet. They (including you) will at some point. At that point, you wont have a choice.

As for Jan 6th….yes, that was as American as it gets. Bunch of protesters. It was nothing more until the powers that be (no not trump) made it more.

It was not an insurrection, but even if it were….it would still be an American thing to do, and wouldn’t be the first time Patriots fought for freedom.


As ghost said, when was the last time the left compromised on ANYTHING? As an example, where is the Justice Roberts of the left?
 
Nope. War is awful so I do not WANT a civil war. That’s not it. It’s just a clear eyed view of where the left is taking us. Some don’t understand that yet. They (including you) will at some point. At that point, you wont have a choice.

As for Jan 6th….yes, that was as American as it gets. Bunch of protesters. It was nothing more until the powers that be (no not trump) made it more.

It was not an insurrection, but even if it were….it would still be an American thing to do, and wouldn’t be the first time Patriots fought for freedom.


As ghost said, when was the last time the left compromised on ANYTHING? As an example, where is the Justice Roberts of the left?
700 dangerous white nationalists storm the Capitol to overthrow the gov't and stop the transfer of power...totally unarmed.

Most guns per capita of any demo in the US...ALL forgot their guns despite weeks of careful planning all headed up by the evil traitor, Donald John Trump.

All makes perfect sense...
 
700 dangerous white nationalists storm the Capitol to overthrow the gov't and stop the transfer of power...totally unarmed.
Most guns per capita of any demo in the US...ALL forgot their guns despite weeks of careful planning all headed up by the evil traitor, Donald John Trump.
All makes perfect sense...
It's hilarious to watch them break down in tears when you put it like that. 😂
I've seen rowdier crowds on Antique Road Show.

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700 dangerous white nationalists storm the Capitol to overthrow the gov't and stop the transfer of power...totally unarmed.

Most guns per capita of any demo in the US...ALL forgot their guns despite weeks of careful planning all headed up by the evil traitor, Donald John Trump.

All makes perfect sense...
Which is why it’s almost impossible to take folks like @grandhavendiddy seriously when he talks about how awful and un-American it was. It is literally one of our most important founding principles.
 
We are headed for some sort of civil clash. Not sure what folks want to call it,(revolution, civil war, etc) But it’s coming. As can be evidenced by this board, the media, 3 letter government organizations, there is a major power grab where those on the left have said….we don’t GAF about right and wrong, our politics (socialism) is more important than ANYTHING else.

Thats where we are, like it or not.

The left is willing to break laws in order to achieve their goal. The signs are everywhere. The only question that remains…will the fat and lazy US citizens rise to the occasion?
I am glad to be on the side with REAL MEN, that know how to..and WILL shoot! I am VERY happy not to have to fight with little sissy libs...with "man" (kills me to call them MAN buns...such an oxymoron) buns, that dress like women! They will have to kick their high heels off when they start running away!
 
700 dangerous white nationalists storm the Capitol to overthrow the gov't and stop the transfer of power...totally unarmed.

Most guns per capita of any demo in the US...ALL forgot their guns despite weeks of careful planning all headed up by the evil traitor, Donald John Trump.

All makes perfect sense...
No no no no.

They left their weapons behind because it's illegal to open carry in D.C.

/sarcasm
 
As ghost said, when was the last time the left compromised on ANYTHING? As an example, where is the Justice Roberts of the left?
That wasn't a trick question for @grandhavendiddy, it was a serious one. Moderates and RINOs *always* tell the right that it MUST compromise with the left. Work when the left.

But the left NEVER compromises. If I am wrong, @grandhavendiddy can correct me with the list. I honestly cannot think of a single thing the left has ever compromised on.

And that's the point: Why are we being told to compromise with the left, when the left won't extend us the same courtesy? Compromise means BOTH parties participate.
 
Nope. War is awful so I do not WANT a civil war. That’s not it. It’s just a clear eyed view of where the left is taking us. Some don’t understand that yet. They (including you) will at some point. At that point, you wont have a choice.

As for Jan 6th….yes, that was as American as it gets. Bunch of protesters. It was nothing more until the powers that be (no not trump) made it more.

It was not an insurrection, but even if it were….it would still be an American thing to do, and wouldn’t be the first time Patriots fought for freedom.


As ghost said, when was the last time the left compromised on ANYTHING? As an example, where is the Justice Roberts of the left?
And that's why we can't take the bait that peopl like Mad Maxine Watters and Slick Lindsay Graham put out there. The more they itch for war, the more sensible Patriots will point out their wrong-doings in as such.
 
Which is why it’s almost impossible to take folks like @grandhavendiddy seriously when he talks about how awful and un-American it was. It is literally one of our most important founding principles.


Here is the video. But I am sure you have seen it and put it in whatever frame you prefer.

Up until that point, the "Save America" rally - absolutely, as American as it gets.

If they went up to Congress and did not breach, absolutely.

Breaking into Congress in the middle of the transfer of power is not. The peaceful transfer of power started in 1801 and has been a hallmark of our republic, our democracy. The intent was to disrupt that transfer of power. Any reasonable person can see that.

Good to see that you do not want Civil War nor violence. A bit different from what you posted from above, but you are clear here. Again, that is good.

Do we see the left compromise? No, not often (unless forced by Manchin), which is why those in the middle are increasingly at a loss.

The nation in general does take you, as an archetype, very seriously. Again, I hope we are not past the point of reasonable dialogue, discussion and consensus building.
 


Here is the video. But I am sure you have seen it and put it in whatever frame you prefer.

Up until that point, the "Save America" rally - absolutely, as American as it gets.

If they went up to Congress and did not breach, absolutely.

Breaking into Congress in the middle of the transfer of power is not. The peaceful transfer of power started in 1801 and has been a hallmark of our republic, our democracy. The intent was to disrupt that transfer of power. Any reasonable person can see that.

Good to see that you do not want Civil War nor violence. A bit different from what you posted from above, but you are clear here. Again, that is good.

Do we see the left compromise? No, not often (unless forced by Manchin), which is why those in the middle are increasingly at a loss.

The nation in general does take you, as an archetype, very seriously. Again, I hope we are not past the point of reasonable dialogue, discussion and consensus building.
Like I said, just go be a democrat. You fit better there. The nation takes me seriously? GTFO with that. The politicians don’t take any of us seriously, but glad you speak on behalf of the entire nation.

With patriots like yourself, the America that existed until the last 20 years would have never happened. If you think Jan 6th was bad, you will be aghast at what it took for America to earn her independence, and the Freedoms that used to exist in this country.

What is really curious, is that almost every time you appear on this board you link to liberal sites to back your view. Why is that? Maybe you’re more liberal than you care to admit. I mean, one of your last appearances you were wanting myself and the Government to fund the raising of your children.

So….that begs the question, are you a conservative or a liberal posing as a conservative?

Do you believe the election was stolen? Whether it be voter fraud or interference from any of the following:

1. Voter fraud
2. A pandemic that dems used to ease voting restrictions
3. Media and social media restricting conservative views
4. FBI influencing reporting, and burying dem investigations

Lastly I will ask a few questions. Do you believe there is massive political corruption in this Country? Do public servants (congress and other politicians) go into government then become millionaires? What was the reasoning for the revolutionary war? Was that American as apple pie?

Jan 6th was a nothingburger compared to almost every riot/protest of the left over the past 50 years. It’s interesting though, that the media has talked folks into this narrative of being offended that this would happen during a “transfer of power”.

Ahem, the power is supposed to be with the people, not politician’s. Yet for some reason, yourself and others, are worried more about these corrupt politicians safety, then the safety of the ordinary citizen. Otherwise, dem politicians would be on trial for pouring gasoline on the BLM/Antifa riots that killed more, injured more, and caused more damage.
 
My presidential ticket choice would be Ron DeSantis and Tim Scott for VP. I have said that at least two dozen times. Put that wherever you wish for my political spectrum.

Trump is a religious figure - of the like I have never seen before.

I am more of a Jeffersonian liberal. (except on Slavery which he either got profoundly wrong or he realized that he was never going to get a free country from a Colonial Empire like the British while forcing half the country to eradicate their source of wealth). Get the government out of abortions, vaccine mandates, vaccine production (reason why OWS was so fast), declaring who can marry, etc. I abhor monopolies in all forms - unions, oil companies, etc. Sometimes oligopolies are inevitable because of structural costs and the government should break them up.

When I post, I find subjects and then google places them. I rarely, if ever, quote or use liberal commentary. For the above, I was given a site with photographs. There is no commentary; just a rolling of video or photos. Most of my sites are actually independent like Breaking Points or The Hill.

Let's breakdown your ideological litmus test:

1. Voter fraud - not widespread enough to turn the election.
2. A pandemic that dems used to ease voting restrictions - 100% agreed.
3. Media and social media restricting conservative views - 100% agreed.
4. FBI influencing reporting, and burying dem investigations - 100% agreed

Let me add:

5. Systemic opening of borders or non enforcement of border laws that allowed for economic fugitives who, on average, vote for the party in favor of large programs - 100%

So, we agree, as usual on 80% of items. So, are you going to tell me and anyone else in the middle to GTFO over that final 20% of the issues?

Let's take some other really dumb issues to fall on your sword over - abortion. Do you really care if AOC terms a pregnancy? Really? Are you going to adopt her child? Give Pence credit, he said that if you are pro-life, you need to be pro-abortion. My view is - let AOC do what she wants. I do not care. Similarly, if you do not want to get a vaccine - your body, your choice. Go to your "taxpayer paying for kids". I do NOT want to pay for anyone's unwanted child.

Let's take other policies and see if we agree:

1. Tight Borders/Border Walls
2.Fund the police
3. Energy independence
4.Force other countries (read: Germany) to pay their fair share
5.Keep CRT out of schools (through at least elementary school)
6.No mask or vaccine mandates
7.Don't shut down businesses or schools
8. Move manufacturing back to the U.S.
9. Student Debt relief is a wealth transfer to the middle and upper class

Here are some we do not:

9. Abortion
10. Renewables as part of energy independence

Here is your problem then - Trump, at best, can pull 45% of the population. You need the final 6% to vote with you. Are you really going to toss some out people disagree with you on 20% of the issues?

If you do, and it's your choice, then you will systemically lose elections. You already see it happening. Here is Ben Shapiro, hardly a left winger.



What turned the tide? Dobbs.

Now, if you lose elections, and you cannot prove fraud, and you cannot see that a handful of non-core issues to you (like Abortion), and you do not want to see any sort of common ground even with people who agree with the 9 issues above, then what is left for you?

"Yep! Seeds of Revolution have been sewn."

And then, the FBI starts to take you VERY seriously as if January 6th was essentially, to you, a "my little pony" show, yes, what comes next is worth taking immediate note of.
 
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My presidential ticket choice would be Ron DeSantis and Tim Scott for VP. I have said that at least two dozen times. Put that wherever you wish for my political spectrum.

Trump is a religious figure - of the like I have never seen before.

I am more of a Jeffersonian liberal. (except on Slavery which he either got profoundly wrong or he realized that he was never going to get a free country from a Colonial Empire like the British while forcing half the country to eradicate their source of wealth). Get the government out of abortions, vaccine mandates, vaccine production (reason why OWS was so fast), declaring who can marry, etc. I abhor monopolies in all forms - unions, oil companies, etc. Sometimes oligopolies are inevitable because of structural costs and the government should break them up.

When I post, I find subjects and then google places them. I rarely, if ever, quote or use liberal commentary. For the above, I was given a site with photographs. There is no commentary; just a rolling of video or photos. Most of my sites are actually independent like Breaking Points or The Hill.

Let's breakdown your ideological litmus test:

1. Voter fraud - not widespread enough to turn the election.
2. A pandemic that dems used to ease voting restrictions - 100% agreed.
3. Media and social media restricting conservative views - 100% agreed.
4. FBI influencing reporting, and burying dem investigations - 100% agreed

Let me add:

5. Systemic opening of borders or non enforcement of border laws that allowed for economic fugitives who, on average, vote for the party in favor of large programs - 100%

So, we agree, as usual on 80% of items. So, are you going to tell me and anyone else in the middle to GTFO over that final 20% of the issues?

Let's take some other really dumb issues to fall on your sword over - abortion. Do you really care if AOC terms a pregnancy? Really? Are you going to adopt her child? Give Pence credit, he said that if you are pro-life, you need to be pro-abortion. My view is - let AOC do what she wants. I do not care. Similarly, if you do not want to get a vaccine - your body, your choice. Go to your "taxpayer paying for kids". I do NOT want to pay for anyone's unwanted child.

Let's take other policies and see if we agree:

1. Tight Borders/Border Walls
2.Fund the police
3. Energy independence
4.Force other countries (read: Germany) to pay their fair share
5.Keep CRT out of schools (through at least elementary school)
6.No mask or vaccine mandates
7.Don't shut down businesses or schools
8. Move manufacturing back to the U.S.
9. Student Debt relief is a wealth transfer to the middle and upper class

Here are some we do not:

9. Abortion
10. Renewables as part of energy independence

Here is your problem then - Trump, at best, can pull 45% of the population. You need the final 6% to vote with you. Are you really going to toss some out people disagree with you on 20% of the issues?

If you do, and it's your choice, then you will systemically lose elections. You already see it happening. Here is Ben Shapiro, hardly a left winger.



What turned the tide? Dobbs.

Now, if you lose elections, and you cannot prove fraud, and you cannot see that a handful of non-core issues to you (like Abortion), and you do not want to see any sort of common ground even with people who agree with the 9 issues above, then what is left for you?

"Yep! Seeds of Revolution have been sewn."

And then, the FBI starts to take you VERY seriously as if January 6th was essentially, to you, a "my little pony" show, yes, what comes next is worth taking immediate note of.
You still speaking on behalf of the nation while trying to tell me that I think I speak for 60-80 percent of conservatives? Oh, the projection,

Until you stop projecting yourself onto others, and proclaiming Jan 6th as something it wasn’t…..like I said, I cannot take you seriously.

Oh, and TLDR. Seriously, I didn’t.
 
1. Voter fraud - not widespread enough to turn the election.
Fraud has been proven in Arizona, Wisconsin, Georgia and Michigan just off the top of my head. More than enough to turn the election, or undo the cheating that turned the election.

But let's ignore all that and assume no fraud has been shown anywhere. The simple fact that MULTIPLE swing states received HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of votes in the MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT then COUNTED those votes WITHOUT SUPERVISION is enough reason to say timeout, let's back up and examine this more closely cause it stinks to high heaven.

This would be like being at a dinner party where a guest disappears, then the butler enters a guest room and finds blood all over the floor and bed, along with the guest's wallet.

That technically doesn't PROVE the guest was harmed, but it's enough circumstantial evidence that any honest cop will start an investigation and see what happened.
 
That wasn't a trick question for @grandhavendiddy, it was a serious one. Moderates and RINOs *always* tell the right that it MUST compromise with the left. Work when the left.
But the left NEVER compromises. If I am wrong, @grandhavendiddy can correct me with the list. I honestly cannot think of a single thing the left has ever compromised on.

And that's the point: Why are we being told to compromise with the left, when the left won't extend us the same courtesy? Compromise means BOTH parties participate.
Agreed. Alinsky rules for everyone.

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My presidential ticket choice would be Ron DeSantis and Tim Scott for VP. I have said that at least two dozen times. Put that wherever you wish for my political spectrum.

Trump is a religious figure - of the like I have never seen before.

I am more of a Jeffersonian liberal. (except on Slavery which he either got profoundly wrong or he realized that he was never going to get a free country from a Colonial Empire like the British while forcing half the country to eradicate their source of wealth). Get the government out of abortions, vaccine mandates, vaccine production (reason why OWS was so fast), declaring who can marry, etc. I abhor monopolies in all forms - unions, oil companies, etc. Sometimes oligopolies are inevitable because of structural costs and the government should break them up.

When I post, I find subjects and then google places them. I rarely, if ever, quote or use liberal commentary. For the above, I was given a site with photographs. There is no commentary; just a rolling of video or photos. Most of my sites are actually independent like Breaking Points or The Hill.

Let's breakdown your ideological litmus test:

1. Voter fraud - not widespread enough to turn the election.
2. A pandemic that dems used to ease voting restrictions - 100% agreed.
3. Media and social media restricting conservative views - 100% agreed.
4. FBI influencing reporting, and burying dem investigations - 100% agreed

Let me add:

5. Systemic opening of borders or non enforcement of border laws that allowed for economic fugitives who, on average, vote for the party in favor of large programs - 100%

So, we agree, as usual on 80% of items. So, are you going to tell me and anyone else in the middle to GTFO over that final 20% of the issues?

Let's take some other really dumb issues to fall on your sword over - abortion. Do you really care if AOC terms a pregnancy? Really? Are you going to adopt her child? Give Pence credit, he said that if you are pro-life, you need to be pro-abortion. My view is - let AOC do what she wants. I do not care. Similarly, if you do not want to get a vaccine - your body, your choice. Go to your "taxpayer paying for kids". I do NOT want to pay for anyone's unwanted child.

Let's take other policies and see if we agree:

1. Tight Borders/Border Walls
2.Fund the police
3. Energy independence
4.Force other countries (read: Germany) to pay their fair share
5.Keep CRT out of schools (through at least elementary school)
6.No mask or vaccine mandates
7.Don't shut down businesses or schools
8. Move manufacturing back to the U.S.
9. Student Debt relief is a wealth transfer to the middle and upper class

Here are some we do not:

9. Abortion
10. Renewables as part of energy independence

Here is your problem then - Trump, at best, can pull 45% of the population. You need the final 6% to vote with you. Are you really going to toss some out people disagree with you on 20% of the issues?

If you do, and it's your choice, then you will systemically lose elections. You already see it happening. Here is Ben Shapiro, hardly a left winger.



What turned the tide? Dobbs.

Now, if you lose elections, and you cannot prove fraud, and you cannot see that a handful of non-core issues to you (like Abortion), and you do not want to see any sort of common ground even with people who agree with the 9 issues above, then what is left for you?

"Yep! Seeds of Revolution have been sewn."

And then, the FBI starts to take you VERY seriously as if January 6th was essentially, to you, a "my little pony" show, yes, what comes next is worth taking immediate note of.
Seems like you agree with Trump policies about 90 % also
 
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You still speaking on behalf of the nation while trying to tell me that I think I speak for 60-80 percent of conservatives? Oh, the projection,

Until you stop projecting yourself onto others, and proclaiming Jan 6th as something it wasn’t…..like I said, I cannot take you seriously.

Oh, and TLDR. Seriously, I didn’t.
TL;DR: You cared enough and got triggered enough to post a long email, and then when there is some give and take, you take your inspiration from a mean girls retort.

enjoy your civil war.

xoxo,

alex stephens
 
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We are headed for some sort of civil clash. Not sure what folks want to call it,(revolution, civil war, etc) But it’s coming. As can be evidenced by this board, the media, 3 letter government organizations, there is a major power grab where those on the left have said….we don’t GAF about right and wrong, our politics (socialism) is more important than ANYTHING else.

Thats where we are, like it or not.

The left is willing to break laws in order to achieve their goal. The signs are everywhere. The only question that remains…will the fat and lazy US citizens rise to the occasion?
Waaaaa.


So glad I found this little gem. Keep this dude away from sharp knives. He’s headed for the insane asylum.
 
TL;DR: You cared enough and got triggered enough to post a long email, and then when there is some give and take, you take your inspiration from a mean girls retort.

enjoy your civil war.

xoxo,

alex stephens
Ok libby. Where should I send the check to help you raise your kids? Also, this is a forum not email.

#exposed #ghostcalledit #biggovernmentrino
 
TL;DR: You cared enough and got triggered enough to post a long email, and then when there is some give and take, you take your inspiration from a mean girls retort.

enjoy your civil war.

xoxo,

alex stephens
Still waiting. Where would you like me to send the check? Daddy will help you pay for the CHOICE you made.
 
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My presidential ticket choice would be Ron DeSantis and Tim Scott for VP. I have said that at least two dozen times. Put that wherever you wish for my political spectrum.

Trump is a religious figure - of the like I have never seen before.

I am more of a Jeffersonian liberal. (except on Slavery which he either got profoundly wrong or he realized that he was never going to get a free country from a Colonial Empire like the British while forcing half the country to eradicate their source of wealth). Get the government out of abortions, vaccine mandates, vaccine production (reason why OWS was so fast), declaring who can marry, etc. I abhor monopolies in all forms - unions, oil companies, etc. Sometimes oligopolies are inevitable because of structural costs and the government should break them up.

When I post, I find subjects and then google places them. I rarely, if ever, quote or use liberal commentary. For the above, I was given a site with photographs. There is no commentary; just a rolling of video or photos. Most of my sites are actually independent like Breaking Points or The Hill.

Let's breakdown your ideological litmus test:

1. Voter fraud - not widespread enough to turn the election.
2. A pandemic that dems used to ease voting restrictions - 100% agreed.
3. Media and social media restricting conservative views - 100% agreed.
4. FBI influencing reporting, and burying dem investigations - 100% agreed

Let me add:

5. Systemic opening of borders or non enforcement of border laws that allowed for economic fugitives who, on average, vote for the party in favor of large programs - 100%

So, we agree, as usual on 80% of items. So, are you going to tell me and anyone else in the middle to GTFO over that final 20% of the issues?

Let's take some other really dumb issues to fall on your sword over - abortion. Do you really care if AOC terms a pregnancy? Really? Are you going to adopt her child? Give Pence credit, he said that if you are pro-life, you need to be pro-abortion. My view is - let AOC do what she wants. I do not care. Similarly, if you do not want to get a vaccine - your body, your choice. Go to your "taxpayer paying for kids". I do NOT want to pay for anyone's unwanted child.

Let's take other policies and see if we agree:

1. Tight Borders/Border Walls
2.Fund the police
3. Energy independence
4.Force other countries (read: Germany) to pay their fair share
5.Keep CRT out of schools (through at least elementary school)
6.No mask or vaccine mandates
7.Don't shut down businesses or schools
8. Move manufacturing back to the U.S.
9. Student Debt relief is a wealth transfer to the middle and upper class

Here are some we do not:

9. Abortion
10. Renewables as part of energy independence

Here is your problem then - Trump, at best, can pull 45% of the population. You need the final 6% to vote with you. Are you really going to toss some out people disagree with you on 20% of the issues?

If you do, and it's your choice, then you will systemically lose elections. You already see it happening. Here is Ben Shapiro, hardly a left winger.



What turned the tide? Dobbs.

Now, if you lose elections, and you cannot prove fraud, and you cannot see that a handful of non-core issues to you (like Abortion), and you do not want to see any sort of common ground even with people who agree with the 9 issues above, then what is left for you?

"Yep! Seeds of Revolution have been sewn."

And then, the FBI starts to take you VERY seriously as if January 6th was essentially, to you, a "my little pony" show, yes, what comes next is worth taking immediate note of.
Trump is not a religious figure at all. Trump is pro America. So are we. Your side not at all. Your side is pro progressive. Pro woke , pro open borders. Anti US Constitution. Trump is just they guy that has exposed who the left really is. We love Trump for what he does for our Country. Nothing more. Nothing less
 
Ok libby. Where should I send the check to help you raise your kids? Also, this is a forum not email.

#exposed #ghostcalledit #biggovernmentrino

You can call me a liberal, RINO, or other. It matters not. I am not a reflexsive Trump fan. Again, in this religious context, it is considered a "sin". Captain Ron, to his credit, noted that I actually agree with Trump on 60%+ of the positions.

The remarkable, actually fascinating, thing is that the narratives you hear on the left, is actually playing out in real time on this board. Much as Fox gets it right on what is playing out on the left.

If you want to go through policy by policy, which you started (and I applaud), I will go through and give specific thoughts, which I did. If you want to devolve that back and forth into a series of # and other, and absolve yourself of meaningful discussion with a "tl; dr" that is your call. No need for me to pivot back and forth on the forum.

p.s. The #exposed is that you decided to make very clear that you want a civil war. The FBI, can track this, you know. You have probably used every keyword that they are looking for. It is why you are getting very few people, including Ghost, to confirm your sentiments in the thread.

Ghost is provocative, but he is, if nothing else, savvy.
 
Trump is not a religious figure at all. Trump is pro America. So are we. Your side not at all. Your side is pro progressive. Pro woke , pro open borders. Anti US Constitution. Trump is just they guy that has exposed who the left really is. We love Trump for what he does for our Country. Nothing more. Nothing less
You know that I have said, again, and again, that I am fervently against open borders, for the wall, for police and anti-"woke" outside of general libertarian principles. (e.g. dont have the government telling people to get vaccines or preventing abortions). I am for an inclusive society for citizens. I support the voting bills passed in TX and FL. I have been painfully consistent here.

Trump is a religious figure - and certainly a messianic figure. He has a courage and fight and speaks for so many - at least 73M americans.

The question, then Ron, is what areas did he get wrong. Was waiting 187 minutes wrong (not criminal, but wrong)? Was calling countries "s... hole", wrong? Was musing about bleach wrong? Was asking for 11,800 votes wrong?

Everytime, the Trump defenders call his comments, "out of context", "not said", "liberal framing", or some other litany of reasons. The Ultra Maaga crowd, views him as infallible. They view him as being persecuted by the deep state, etc.

At least be honest that he elicits a religious level of loyalty.
 
p.s. The #exposed is that you decided to make very clear that you want a civil war. The FBI, can track this, you know. You have probably used every keyword that they are looking for. It is why you are getting very few people, including Ghost, to confirm your sentiments in the thread.

Ghost is provocative, but he is, if nothing else, savvy.
So now you’re a liar as well. Nice.

“The Nation” is watching and doesn’t approve.

But hey, liars gonna lie I suppose.


Speaking of likes on posts…..I notice the likes on your posts (which most have none) are from liberals. Imagine that.

What you’re attempting to do with your FBI schtick is pretty disgusting. You definitely fit more as a liberal.
 
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