He better put up points or he will get ran out of the SEC as quick as he got here.
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Disagree. He has to win games. Sure lots of offense would be nice but it ultimately always comes down to your record. Simple as that.
you are both right
I will say what I said when Chump came
You go 11-1 no one says a word
You go 9-3 with a slow, methodical offense in the house that Spurrier built and we will be doing this again in 4 years
Welcome to Florida Billy
And you are gonna have to put a lot of points on the board to win games and have a good record in the Mighty SEC. This isnt the Sun belt where you can get away with winning games scoring only 20.
I agree you have to score points to win. FWIW Louisiana went 13-1 this year and scored 31 points per game not 20. To win games in the mighty SEC you have to be good in all 3 phases of the game or worse case 2 of 3.
He better average 31 in the SEC cause he wont have that cupcake schedule next year like he had in the Sun belt.
Ok and?? Your not making a lot of sense. It’s all relative. He had Sun Belt players going against Sun Belt players. He will have SEC players going against SEC players. Strength of schedule has nothing to do with it. You make it sound as if he had SEC players going against Sun Belt players. Yes the SEC is tough but not sure your comment has much relevance. He will either make it or he won’t based on his record.
MY comment is that he better have a record of at least 9-3 next year of they are gonna be coming after his A$$
Napier is going to be given at least 3 years to get the team into a championship caliber team, just like the coaches before him. He is going after a total makeover of the program and I'm impressed with what he's done in a very short time. Next year's schedule is very difficult and if he goes 9-3 it will be a major accomplishment considering what he inherited.
That’s a bit unrealistic. 9-3 is possible but with what he has to work with? Not like.
I was with you right up until the end comment.
He is inheriting a much better & balanced roster than the cluster that Dan got.
2018 10-3 with a NY-6 Bowl win over Mich (41 - 15)
2019 11-2 with a NY-6 Bowl win over Va (36 - 28)
So, is Billy better than Dan or not, and if not, then why fire Dan for Billy???
Dan is a well known lousy recruiter along with being a horrible communicator.
2020 8-4 with 3 consecutive losses including a blowout loss to OU
2021 6-6 with losses to SC, Mizzou and KY.
Since you are a facts guy thought I would include the past two years, not just Mullen's first two.
I thought the discussion I responded to was about what to expect from Billy in 2022-23 in W/L record. -- But them goal posts have got legs, as usual...
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I'm only slightly surprised that many here and in the media have already written off two QB's on the roster that are both higher rated QB's than this incoming xfer.
Del Rio-Wilson -- Kitna
Or how quickly others can forget how well several previous xfer QB's have done...
Luke Del Rio - Appleby - Zaire --- while 2 star Trask sat on the bench.
And now we have the 3-star xfer Miller coming from the Schmuckeyes to Heisman QB-U....
For those that always trust the recruiting service eval and stars:
QB-dt Carlos Del Rio-Wilson 6-2 225 **** - .9357 rsFr
HS Senior 2020, 8 Gms:
Passing - 84 of 126 (66.7%) for 1,374 Yds, 12 TD's, 4 Ints. L-53, QBR 121.6
Rushing - 40 for 289 Yds, 7.2 ypc, 5 TD's, L-25
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QB-pp Jalen Kitna 6-4 210 *** - .8609 rsFr
HS Senior 2020, 10 Gms:
Passing - 163 of 263 (62.0%) for 2,516 yds, 32 TD's, 3 Ints, L-88, QBR 128.4
Rushing - 45 for 3 yds, 0.1 ypc, 1 TD, L-22
~ Father NFL QB Jon Kitna (Cowboys QB coach)
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QB-pp Jake Miller 6-4 210 **** - .8951 (as a xfer *** .8600) Soph
HS Senior Stats 2019, 7 Gms
Passing - 114 of 193 (59.1%) for 1,621 Yds, 15 TD's, 4 Ints, QBR 103.6
Rushing - 33 for 197 Yds, 6.0 ypc, 2 TD's
(50% passing on 7 of 14 at tOSU)
Rio-Wilson is a much better runner.
Kitna is a much better passer.
Both are higher rated QB's than xfer Miller
Nothing personal against Miller and he might do well at UF, but ignoring or dissing on the 2 ship/roster QB is,,,, very impolite at the least.... 🙄
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I'm only slightly surprised that many here and in the media have already written off two QB's on the roster that are both higher rated QB's than this incoming xfer.
Del Rio-Wilson -- Kitna
Or how quickly others can forget how well several previous xfer QB's have done...
Luke Del Rio - Appleby - Zaire --- while 2 star Trask sat on the bench.
And now we have the 3-star xfer Miller coming from the Schmuckeyes to Heisman QB-U....
For those that always trust the recruiting service eval and stars:
QB-dt Carlos Del Rio-Wilson 6-2 225 **** - .9357 rsFr
HS Senior 2020, 8 Gms:
Passing - 84 of 126 (66.7%) for 1,374 Yds, 12 TD's, 4 Ints. L-53, QBR 121.6
Rushing - 40 for 289 Yds, 7.2 ypc, 5 TD's, L-25
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QB-pp Jalen Kitna 6-4 210 *** - .8609 rsFr
HS Senior 2020, 10 Gms:
Passing - 163 of 263 (62.0%) for 2,516 yds, 32 TD's, 3 Ints, L-88, QBR 128.4
Rushing - 45 for 3 yds, 0.1 ypc, 1 TD, L-22
~ Father NFL QB Jon Kitna (Cowboys QB coach)
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QB-pp Jake Miller 6-4 210 **** - .8951 (as a xfer *** .8600) Soph
HS Senior Stats 2019, 7 Gms
Passing - 114 of 193 (59.1%) for 1,621 Yds, 15 TD's, 4 Ints, QBR 103.6
Rushing - 33 for 197 Yds, 6.0 ypc, 2 TD's
(50% passing on 7 of 14 at tOSU)
Rio-Wilson is a much better runner.
Kitna is a much better passer.
Both are higher rated QB's than xfer Miller
Nothing personal against Miller and he might do well at UF, but ignoring or dissing on the 2 ship/roster QB is,,,, very impolite at the least.... 🙄
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Im not sure anyone is doing that.
we're losing Emory and Richardson seems
To be bizarrely injury prone.
Lose one of Kitna or Del Rio-Wilson to the portal after spring and that leaves us two scholarship QBs if you don't take a guy like Miller.
I just dont see Carlos or Jalen ever getting much playing time. I see them both being portal players.
And the reason you see this is why???
Oh BTW, neither Carlos or Kitna have said a word about going portal, unless I've missed something???
Neither likely will until after spring ball.
Unless Napier basically tells them that they aren't going to fit here.
I do expect one more QB to transfer. Just the nature of things when you have a coaching change and 3 young guys as hold overs from the previous staff.
Nothing more than my own WaG on the QB's with Billy:
AR-15 dual threat - If healthy and his passing and defense reading improves.
Carlos - if a true pass/run dual threat is used.
Jalen - if primary passing with RB's taking the run load.
Jack - only is everything else fails....
AR-15 dual threat - If healthy and his passing and defense reading improves.
Carlos - if a true pass/run dual threat is used.
Jalen - if primary passing with RB's taking the run load.
Jack - only is everything else fails....
None of those stand out to me that oh my gosh, He is the guy!!!! Billy gonna have a decision to make. Keep in mind that Gator Nation has begged for AR-15 all year. What if Billy sees something in one of the other 3 and AR-15 is NOT the starter against Utah? Will Gator Nation revolt against Billy?
Nope!
But a few VI's might.... 😉
Post Spring will be the time for fans to begin to wade in.
TEBOW TIME said:
I just dont see Carlos or Jalen ever getting much playing time. I see them both being portal players.
And you didn't answer why?
But a few VI's might.... 😉
Post Spring will be the time for fans to begin to wade in.
TEBOW TIME said:
I just dont see Carlos or Jalen ever getting much playing time. I see them both being portal players.
And you didn't answer why?
AR is erratic. He's had flashes of great athletic and even throwing ability but so did Driskel early on. Remember that Tennessee game?
His injury history is also a huge deal. That all "the best greatest ability is availability" thing. So far we can't rely on him.
Everything is up for grabs this spring and summer. It'll be interesting.
I actually kinda like Kitna in this battle, depending on what Billy wants to do. If he wants the running QB then it's obviously AR and DRW but like we've seen, you get a lot of variables there from a health standpoint.
Actually looking forward to how this plays out.
His injury history is also a huge deal. That all "the best greatest ability is availability" thing. So far we can't rely on him.
Everything is up for grabs this spring and summer. It'll be interesting.
I actually kinda like Kitna in this battle, depending on what Billy wants to do. If he wants the running QB then it's obviously AR and DRW but like we've seen, you get a lot of variables there from a health standpoint.
Actually looking forward to how this plays out.
I thought he was anti-running QB but when I went back and watched the SunBelt title game his QB ran for a shit ton of yards so who knows
Well it would kind of make sense. Certainly helps to open up the running game and make
Things easier when the play breaks down.
But you have to be able to throw.
That's something I'm not convinced AR can do consistently.
I love me a running QB, but you are correct. Can’t do Emory again, have to throw when you have to.
Napier will run the QB or use a DT QB if that is what he has. His QB this year Levi Lewis ran the ball about 7 times per game and he’s only 5’10 190.
I just dont believe Jalen or Carlos will both be there in the next 1-2 years. Jalen wont get much playing time cause he will be the one that gets lost in the shuffle. I dont think Carlos will hang around waiting for his turn cause he could probably get playing time elsewhere. This is just my thinking but this could all change at spring practice. I think the AR-15 hype could sway Billy's decision but who knows?
To me, the fact that Dan's first 2 teams performed better than his last 2 indicates that he inherited better players than he has left for Napier. The bulk of the 2018 & 2019 teams were McElwain recruits, whereas the teams that lost their last 3 games of 2020 and finished 8-4, plus this year's 6-7 team, were primarily Dan's recruits. He was an average recruiter whose team discipline deteriorated the longer he was there. Napier has a harder rebuild than Mullen did, therefore, IMO.
All comes down to what Napier wants from the QB position and honestly. If AR can't stay healthy and improve his passing ability, he might as well transfer too.
It's one thing to see flashes from a kid but you have to join that with all the other things.
I liked and still do like AR, but his reading the D and throwing to the open guy must improve, including his overall passing accuracy. If not, then post spring he can join EJ.
Kitna at 6-4 210 and still growing can and has run in HS occasionally.
He needs improvement in getting rid of the ball instead of taking a sack.
Yes, he's primarily a passer, but he does have size and some ability to run it.
Del Rio-Wilson 6-2 225 has the size to run it more, and he can throw it.
Jalen-PP and Carlos-DT came from very different offenses in HS.
Spring should sort those two out, depending on what Napier wants to do.
Keeping in mind that if you're going dual threat, then you'd better have 1-2 backups that are ready to go the minute an injury occurs to the starter, or you better have a Tebow tank that's as solid as a granite wall, and even then....
Miller - The final backup if all else fails.
And any QB that's brought in on NSD.
Kitna at 6-4 210 and still growing can and has run in HS occasionally.
He needs improvement in getting rid of the ball instead of taking a sack.
Yes, he's primarily a passer, but he does have size and some ability to run it.
Del Rio-Wilson 6-2 225 has the size to run it more, and he can throw it.
Jalen-PP and Carlos-DT came from very different offenses in HS.
Spring should sort those two out, depending on what Napier wants to do.
Keeping in mind that if you're going dual threat, then you'd better have 1-2 backups that are ready to go the minute an injury occurs to the starter, or you better have a Tebow tank that's as solid as a granite wall, and even then....
Miller - The final backup if all else fails.
And any QB that's brought in on NSD.
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