Ok...so do we get bumped back down in the rankings now for Ohio State???
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They're only playing 8 games. Unless one of them goes undefeated, there's no way they should be allowed a shot at a national title.
Danny,
Agree with your thoughts on 8 game schedule !
No guarantee that they can even organize their season quick enough to matter.
The Big Ten will open its season on the weekend of Oct. 24 with teams playing eight regular-season games over eight weeks (no bye weeks no make up dates) along with a Big Ten Championship Game and six additional consolation games (WTF ?).
The Big Ten Championship Game is scheduled for Dec. 19, making the Big Ten eligible for the College Football Playoff as the final CFP Rankings announcement of the season is set for Dec. 20. Maybe !
Big 10 has screwed up everything else, they could easily screw up their football season up & not be ready for CFP announcement.
Also of Note -
Iowa currently has one of the highest rates of infection in the nation, with 15 percent of tests last week coming back positive.
Nearby South Dakota has a positive test rate of 19 percent and North Dakota is at 18 percent, according to a Reuters analysis.
The surge in Iowa and South Dakota is being linked to colleges reopening in Iowa and an annual motorcycle rally last month in Sturgis, South Dakota.
From August 7 through 14, 2020, a total of 365,979 people attended the event.
Guess the motorcycle people forgot to wear their masks & observe social distancing !
https://www.trtworld.com/americas/midwestern-hotspots-push-us-covid-19-death-toll-near-19.0-000-39610
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Gwinnett,
Most of the time, I enjoy your posts, but this one is way off base !
While no one can be absolutely sure, & some of the predictions are vastlly inflated (I hope), Sturgis did have an IMMENSE, NEGATIVE IMPACT on the spread of the coronavirus in the US.
From CNN -
More than 70 Covid-19 cases have now been linked to an event that drew thousands of tourists
Few wore masks or practiced social distancing as attendees gathered at the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally for bike shows, races, performances and other events, according to the Associated Press. At one concert, the lead singer for the band Smash Mouth shouted, "F--- that COVID s---!"
The annual Sturgis Motorcycle Rally is a 10-day event that usually brings about 500,00 people to the city. This year, the rally attracted attendees on more than 460,000 vehicles, according to the state's transportation department.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/26/us/sturgis-motorcycle-rally-cases-trnd/index.html
The rally was a “superspreading event” with a hefty price tag because it combined many “worst case scenarios” for coronavirus spread, the researchers wrote.
A team of four researchers said the rally could be responsible for as many as 266,796 coronavirus cases in the U.S. over a month’s time — about 19% of the cases reported between Aug. 2 and Sept. 2.
The rally, they agreed, had the makings of a superspreading event. But the 266,796 figure is still an estimate, and experts cautioned that it may be too high.
Vastly inflated - I hope !
But what if Sturgis is responsible for "ONLY" 50,000 cases spread throughout the US. How many deaths will result from Sturgis ?
Sixty-one percent of counties in the US have been visited by someone who was at Sturgis, per Camber Systems, which collects and analyzes cell phone activity for health researchers.
Not a Pollyanna & realize that to a certain extent people have the right to live their lives as they see fit - as long as they don't infringe on my rights !
BUT many of the attendees at Sturgis are the type of people who only care about what they want & could care less about how their actions affect other people.
Jacksonville was smart enough to decline the Republican National Convention, but Sturgis could not "decline" its Rally.
Prior to the Sturgis event, officials in the city told CNN they offered health recommendations to vendors and businesses -- including capacity limits and social distancing -- as they prepared for the crowds, but none of the safety measures were legally enforceable. Meanwhile, campgrounds just miles from the city hosted their own festivities, which included races, contests and packed concerts.
In a survey that was sent out by the city weeks before the event, a majority of residents opposed holding the rally on its scheduled date, but officials opted to move forward because they felt there was no way to stop the crowds that were planning on coming, city manager Daniel Ainslie previously told CNN.
Sturgis Rally has been held for 80 years; no legal way to stop it ! Could only hope to "control" it somewhat.
"As a city, there's nothing we could do, we're not able to put up roadblocks and say, 'You can't come in,'" he said. "And it was quite obvious that we were going to have a lot of people here, even if we didn't call it the rally.
The issue is if we did not officially sanction it as a rally, then we would not be able to prepare for it."
Doubt that we will ever know reliable figures for the spread of coronavirus from Sturgis.
But the nature of the event - mass crowds & almost total lack of even the most elementary precautions - masks & social distancing - which was obviously impossible - means that tens of thousands of people were exposed to the virus & took it home to spread it !
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In thinking about it, it really is pretty unfair that the other leagues will have to play a month longer than the B1G...
The BIG?? shouldn't be eligible for the CFP if they are only playing in conference games. I haven't seen any details as of yet, busy today, but if it's only 8 games I assume that's IC only. Which means their strength of schedules will be far too weak to justify being in the CFP. Playing 8 high school cupcake teams and beating them all without going out of conference to actually play a real collegiate football team should not permit you a seat in the CFP each year.
Completely unfair to those teams who face a legitimate in conference slate each year.
Completely unfair to those teams who face a legitimate in conference slate each year.
grommit,
While I agree with your assessment of a bIg 10 in conference schedule, I don't think Kirk Herbstreet will ! LOL
Difference between an 8 game schedule versus a 10 game schedule is huge !
if each game had a 50/50 win percentage- they don't, of course -
odds of winning 8 games - 1/2 to the 8th power = 1 out of 256
odds of winning 10 games - 1/2 to the 10th power = 1 out of 1024
Four times as hard to win 10 games as 8 !
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You and Insta and your damn numbers! Lol. You’re right, though. They shouldn’t get treated as if they’re on an even field. Maybe if they played a tournament to determine conference champion, like in basketball. That would add a couple games but as is, it’s not fair
More news on B1G football scheduling -
" Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith said conference ADs will begin formulating specifics of the schedule beginning tomorrow morning."
Why are the School ADs creating the schedule ? Why not the league office ?
https://buckeyeswire.usatoday.com/2...th-unique-championship-ninth-week-ohio-state/
From 2016 - 2019; the B1G has NOT followed anything close to an SEC model with rotating games & a permanent opponent !
1.Normal year - B1G plays 9 Conference games not 8 as SEC does - 6 division games & 3 cross division games.
2. Here is how they determine the 3 cross divisional games -
From 2016-2019 this is the formula
And from the West's perspective, Wisconsin's draw was:
https://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/question-about-b1g-cross-division-games
B1G's last formula for cross divisional play has expired; they are only playing 8 games - meaning only 2 cross divisional teams so revamping old formula calling for 3 cross divisional games obviously out for this year.
If B1G doesn't get a team in CFP, while playing an 8 games schedule along with all their other stupidity, they will look like fools !
What if, to guarantee their huge TV contract (see below), the ADs decide to "cream puff" (give them the weakest cross divisional opponents) the schedules of the big four - Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, & Wisconsin in order to give them an easier shot at a CFP berth ?
Adding two weak cross divisional opponents, plus manipulating where they play the six teams from their own division (even with reduced attendance away games are more difficult), would make it easier for one of the big four to go 9-0 & look like they actually deserved to be in the CFP !
" Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith said conference ADs will begin formulating specifics of the schedule beginning tomorrow morning."
Why are the School ADs creating the schedule ? Why not the league office ?
https://buckeyeswire.usatoday.com/2...th-unique-championship-ninth-week-ohio-state/
- East Division: Indiana, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State and Rutgers.
- West Division: Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Purdue and Wisconsin.
From 2016 - 2019; the B1G has NOT followed anything close to an SEC model with rotating games & a permanent opponent !
1.Normal year - B1G plays 9 Conference games not 8 as SEC does - 6 division games & 3 cross division games.
2. Here is how they determine the 3 cross divisional games -
From 2016-2019 this is the formula
- Each East team plays one of seven West teams 4 times, evenly split between home and away 2/2
- Play two of the West teams 2 times over the four year span, one home/one away each
- Play the other 4 West teams once in a four year span, two of which are at home and two of which are away
- Wisconsin 4 times
- Iowa and Illinois twice
- Northwestern, Nebraska, Minnesota and Purdue once
- Nebraska 4 times
- Wisconsin and Northwestern twice
- Iowa, Illinois, Purdue, Minnesota once
- Iowa 4 times
- Minnesota and Purdue twice
- Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern, and Nebraska once
And from the West's perspective, Wisconsin's draw was:
- Michigan 4 times
- Ohio State and Michigan State twice
- Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers and Indiana once
https://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/question-about-b1g-cross-division-games
B1G's last formula for cross divisional play has expired; they are only playing 8 games - meaning only 2 cross divisional teams so revamping old formula calling for 3 cross divisional games obviously out for this year.
If B1G doesn't get a team in CFP, while playing an 8 games schedule along with all their other stupidity, they will look like fools !
What if, to guarantee their huge TV contract (see below), the ADs decide to "cream puff" (give them the weakest cross divisional opponents) the schedules of the big four - Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, & Wisconsin in order to give them an easier shot at a CFP berth ?
Adding two weak cross divisional opponents, plus manipulating where they play the six teams from their own division (even with reduced attendance away games are more difficult), would make it easier for one of the big four to go 9-0 & look like they actually deserved to be in the CFP !
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In case you think that "cream puffing" the schedules of the Big 4 - Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, & Wisconsin - in order to get a team into the CFP is a fantasy; READ THIS -
The Big Ten’s college football postponement puts more than $700 million at risk this fall.
What would you do to keep $700 million in your pocket ?
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/12/football-big-ten-700-million-revenue-ncaa-pac-12.html
The Big Ten’s college football postponement puts more than $700 million at risk this fall.
What would you do to keep $700 million in your pocket ?
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/12/football-big-ten-700-million-revenue-ncaa-pac-12.html
Oregon:
“Ok, so we just beat Washington State in a one game season; can we haz playoff?”
“Ok, so we just beat Washington State in a one game season; can we haz playoff?”
Oregon:
“Ok, so we just beat Washington State in a one game season; can we haz playoff?”
They would have to get picked over the other 5 undefeated Pac 12 teams.
There would have to be 4 teams ahead of them, though, and right now the ACC and Big 12 only have 1 possible candidate each, and they would both have to go undefeated to keep the Big 10 out (I'm assuming the SEC will have two teams in). I will say, though, that if the SEC has 3 teams undefeated or with one loss, they should all get in before any other conference 1 loss team gets in.
Edit: I keep forgetting about Notre Dame! There could be two undefeated or one-loss ACC teams and two undefeated or 1 loss SEC teams, in that case Oklahoma and any Big 10 contender better be undefeated or they could be shut out, and it's likely a one-loss Big 12 team would get the nod over a one-loss Big 10 team. So including Notre Dame in the equation, I agree with your premise. A one-loss Big 10 team better hope that a lot of top teams get two losses.
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It's okay for them to qualify. But in that scenario, they would be behind every undefeated or one loss team in all the other major conferences, so their best team would probably be about 7th in the final playoff standings.
2020, the year of changes and alterations is here.
This might be a good year to try out the 8 tam playoffs.
The Power 5 Conference Champs, plus the next 3 highest ranked teams, including the Group of 5 teams.
This might be a good year to try out the 8 tam playoffs.
The Power 5 Conference Champs, plus the next 3 highest ranked teams, including the Group of 5 teams.
If things run smoothly - there's less games this year. It'd make sense.
It would be funny if COVID really was a hoax made by the CFB playoff expansionists....
China had early money on Houston making the playoffs. When King transferred to Miami they got desperate.
