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DCandtheUTBand said:
Money in and of itself is not an answer. What I am posting is links showing that its not just Biden and his money laundry operation we need to look at. All this came about because the USoA under zer0 was shaking down the Ukraine and heck they still got invaded when FJB came into office and showed weakness.

Support for Ukraine over Russia is legitimate. They need weapons not cash. 60B in good weapons would make a real big difference.

Like these

German parliament shifts stance on supplying TAURUS KEPD 350 missiles to Ukraine

This is not a FJB money laundering scheme. This is Germany picking Ukraine with all its faults over Russia and the SOB Putin.


Estonian PM calls on other states to provide aid to Ukraine out of their warehouses

This is not a FJB money laundering scheme. This is the PM of Estonia that Putin has threaten to jail if he can get to her. He still sees Estonia as a vassal state.


EU’s Josep Borrell Calls for Expeditious and Enhance Military Aid to Ukraine

This is not a FJB money laundering scheme. This is Josep Borrell, the European Union’s high representative for foreign affairs. Yeah he is probably a libtard socialist.

Italy may be next country to conclude security agreement with Ukraine

This is not a FJB money laundering scheme. I believe the PM of Italy is conservative by European standards.

I am no fan of FJB but IMO supporting Ukraine is the right thing to do. Now if we could do just weapons and training and no cash that would be great. Send food not cash great. F the liar and murderer Putin and his thugocracy.

Ukraine is now on the mat and time is running out on the 10 count. It may be too late to save them.

As I see it some pubs have sided with the evil Putin because FJB is the president. I genuinely feel that NATO is threatened by Russia and not the other way around.

He stole part of Georgia, took Crimea and now has invaded Eastern Ukraine under the same BS excuses that Hitler used. If allowed he will make peace re-tool and invade the rest of Ukraine later. At some point he has to be stopped and that will require EU or NATO troops in Ukraine to prevent that future incursion.

I am not for them giving him an inch but if they do then THEY MUST do a DMZ/ troops style thing like Korea or he will NOT stop. He has to know any further adventurism will be met by force from NATO. He will know we mean business when he sees NATO troops on Ukrainian soil and that MUST be part of the peace plan.

Otherwise lets give Ukraine the weapons they need to fight and that means mother Russia needs to feel the sting with some long range strike from Ukraine into downtown Moscow. The German weapons will at least now make Crimea a viable target.

Force is all a thug like him knows.
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Good lord, you really do think it’s 1980. Meanwhile… our Gov continues to use Russia to gaslight everyone. Is there ever any point in which you might just consider you have been gaslit for for years? And yea, it’s quite comical you still think NATO is a force for good. Oof.

Going to go out on a couple limbs here. You also thought we should send troops to vietnam, and…you believed the Russian space nukes story that came out a day after the speaker said he wasn’t going to take a vote on Ukraine funding. 😂

My wife has some genuine diamonoids she would like to sell you sir. PM for details, she keeps them in a vault with Iraqs weapons of mass destruction.

I guess your globalist perspective is that a money laundering war scheme would be limited to corrupt US politicians because corruption isn’t allowed to cross international boundaries. Good to know.

After reading your post, what I can say is…The US media is good at what they do. But hey, it’s just money right? Right.
But, Let’s just not act like we care about inflation then. Deal?





 
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BCSpell said:
Its too dangerous for people to go to the polls, BUT perfectly fine for politicians, news agencies and government officials to be walking around.
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Exactly. We are watching a movie. They are flaunting, to our faces, the truth. The state controlled media, is damn good at what they do.

It is what it is.
 
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DCandtheUTBand said:
Good article please read to the end:
www.wnd.com

Vladimir Putin: Emboldened and unbound * WorldNetDaily * by Ben Shapiro

... Read more
www.wnd.com www.wnd.com

"realpolitik devotees, who seek to assess each foreign conflict and all foreign aid with an eye toward hard American interests, ranging from the economic to the military" This is where I see myself.
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Weird that we didn’t have the same reaction to the AMERICAN CITIZEN, journalist Gonzalo Lira when he was killed in a UKRAINIAN prison. Nor are we upset that Ukraine is canceling elections, or shutting down churches with whom they disagree.

Ukraine nor Russia are good guys. Nor are we. Neither Russia nor Ukraine are a “democracy”. Nation building doesn’t work.
How do we know? History.

Lastly, and most importantly. We DO NOT have the money. It’s put up or shut up time. We can’t complain about inflation, our border etc…if our primary focus is on other countries. We have proven we cannot walk and chew gum, and we have proven that the money we have sent over there has been hijacked by corruption. It is what it is. Supporting the war in Ukraine is insanity at this point.

As for a republican split…when was the last time agreeing and capitulation to the left was a good idea? Biden wants to fund the war. Mitch wants to fund the war. Generally speaking, both have awful track records and are big parts of the reasons for our downfall. I proudly oppose their war mongering efforts, and I proudly oppose Ben Shapiro who was fully on board with forced vaccinations, and scolding people who didn’t want to get vaccinated.

Lastly, NATO is corrupt. Just say no
 
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RussellCasse said:
Lastly, and most importantly. We DO NOT have the money. It’s put up or shut up time. We can’t complain about inflation, our border etc…if our primary focus is on other countries.
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I can complain all I want! Not that my primary focus is on other countries. I can support and focus on more than one issue at a time.

I am not FJB so I could get Ukraine and Israel weapons (not cash), put troops in Guyana if they want them , park a carrier group in the South China Sea, close the f'n border, deport all of them, drill baby drill, and balance the budget if the RINOs get out of the way.

You ain't fixing the deficits or debt in this country by penny pinching.

90%+ of the 34T of debt we have has been spent on welfare/social programs. This ain't caused by NASA, our military, recent wars or foreign aid. Side note: I have a buddy that b!tches about wasting money on NASA.

The ONLY way out of that is to get the gubmint out of the charity/welfare/healthcare/retirement business. The great society, SS, Medicare, Medicaid and the 16th amendment have to be repealed. The middle 3 will have to be phased out with the taxpayer eating a sh!t sandwich during the phase out.

I did see where Massie has offered a bill to abolish the DoE. Good start. RINOs will balk and FJB would veto. We need SCOTUS to actually grow a pair and declare most of the welfare/administrative state unconstitutional, because, well it is!

We also would need a COS to repeal the 16th because congress may like trans people but they aren't cutting their own d!ck off.

All of this is simple but none of it would be easy because pols want our money.

Forget congress doing the right thing it will not happen.


RussellCasse said:
Lastly, NATO is corrupt. Just say no
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NATO corrupt? Expound.
 
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DCandtheUTBand said:
I can complain all I want! Not that my primary focus is on other countries. I can support and focus on more than one issue at a time.

I am not FJB so I could get Ukraine and Israel weapons (not cash), put troops in Guyana if they want them , park a carrier group in the South China Sea, close the f'n border, deport all of them, drill baby drill, and balance the budget if the RINOs get out of the way.

You ain't fixing the deficits or debt in this country by penny pinching.

90%+ of the 34T of debt we have has been spent on welfare/social programs. This ain't caused by NASA, our military, recent wars or foreign aid. Side note: I have a buddy that b!tches about wasting money on NASA.

The ONLY way out of that is to get the gubmint out of the charity/welfare/healthcare/retirement business. The great society, SS, Medicare, Medicaid and the 16th amendment have to be repealed. The middle 3 will have to be phased out with the taxpayer eating a sh!t sandwich during the phase out.

I did see where Massie has offered a bill to abolish the DoE. Good start. RINOs will balk and FJB would veto. We need SCOTUS to actually grow a pair and declare most of the welfare/administrative state unconstitutional, because, well it is!

We also would need a COS to repeal the 16th because congress may like trans people but they aren't cutting their own d!ck off.

All of this is simple but none of it would be easy because pols want our money.

Forget congress doing the right thing it will not happen.



NATO corrupt? Expound.
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(NATO)U serious clark?

Goodness.

And yes, you can complain all you want. It’s asinine to complain about inflation, but attempt to justify the spending you’re advocating, but by all means….carry on.

You might be able to walk and chew gum. The US government cannot. We have decades of historical precedence to prove that. As for spending, it’s cute that you think “foreign aid” buckets are the real numbers spent outside of domestic spending. Get a bigger shovel.

And again… WE DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY.

As for NATO corruption, it would take years to cover it all, but you can start by listening to someone who knows more…

 
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DCandtheUTBand said:
Yeah corrupt dementia addled FJB is driving that boat. Ukraine is on the ropes, USoA is awol and Europe is getting serious.

Russia threatens to shoot down flights by NATO member over Black Sea

Nato would defeat Putin’s troops, German forces chief claims

Denmark says Europe needs to rearm fast as it signs Ukraine security deal

Tom Cotton makes case to give Ukraine aid while protecting US border

Poland’s Sikorski Warns US to Aid Ukraine or Face ‘Profound Consequences’
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Good. I hope we don’t give another dime to Ukraine. Not one red cent. And the dream scenario would be dismantling NATO. Why? Because they aren’t serving their original purpose (like most globalist/government run programs) and because they are corrupt, and it’s not limited to FJB. It was corrupt under previous administrations. Including Trumps.

Look, I know you think we have the money (we don’t). And I know the 1 percent of federal budget is foreign aid argument (which is a misnomer) isn’t an honest one. I know damn well how our Government slides money from one budget to another.

Do they report 1 percent in foreign aid? Yep, that’s what they report out of the Annual budget. I repeat, the ANNUAL budget. I also know we have “emergencies” that come up that aren’t a part of that budget. I also know we don’t use food and fuel to figure CPI. I also know that once your unemployment insurance paychecks stop coming, you drop off the unemployment statistics….regardless of whether you’re working or not.

Need more examples of Gov math to understand the number they report isn’t the actual dollar amount spent on foreign nations?

Ok fine, one last example. How about when we “overestimated” the cost of tanks we sent to Ukraine by 6.2 billion? At least that’s what they said. What really happened is they used an accounting trick to free up that 6.2 so they could spend more. The trick?

They initially used the cost to replace. Which is what they should use because that’s what they cost to replace. So they instead decided to use the cost when they were built, so they could free up another 6.2 billion. In other words, just that one thing ends up costing us double, because a bunch of crooks are cooking the books.

Its like you selling your house for what it was worth 20 years ago instead of what it’s worth today.


I say again. WE DON’T HAVE THE MONEY.


apnews.com

Pentagon accounting error provides extra $6.2 billion for Ukraine military aid

The Pentagon says it overestimated the value of the weapons it has sent to Ukraine by $6.2 billion over the past two years, resulting in a surplus that will be used for future security packages.
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Trump Guy and foreign policy advisor Sebastian Gorka:

"For anyone over the age of 40 ...The idea that Moscow were the “bad guys” and wanted to “bury” us wasn’t hyperbole...

So it’s somewhat perplexing that so many of today’s Conservatives have a rather ambiguous attitude to Russia invading its neighbor Ukraine.

That’s not to say there isn’t a strong isolationist streak in American political culture, from the original America First movement of the 1930s, to its revivified version, the Buchananism of the 1980s...

First let’s address some of the most fallacious and unjustified responses to the war in Ukraine: that America and NATO are to blame.

The most outrageous version of this is the “biolabs” argument, which posits that America was funding secret bioweapons laboratories in Ukraine...who actually built those labs? It was actually the Russians during the Cold War, when Ukraine was part of the USSR...

Then there’s the “America, and her allies provoked the war by enlarging NATO!” Again a strange accusation, given that NATO is not the Warsaw Pact. No one is forced to join, it’s not a colonial empire, it’s a club of free states...

And how exactly did the inclusion of former Communist countries like Hungary or Poland “threaten” Russia, a nation with the largest nuclear arsenal in the world? Strange logic there...

Should we help Kiev? Yes, but not how Biden, Mitch McConnell and the beltway-bandits have been doing it, billions and billions with zero transparency or accountability.
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I know Ukraine is corrupt. There is no nation in the post-Communist space that isn’t corrupt. Trust me. My family is from the region, and I lived there for 15 years after the Berlin Wall fell...

But being run by a corrupt elite isn’t a justification for another nation invading your territory. The Biden regime is perhaps the most corrupt government America has ever had, does that mean Chinese tanks should be allowed to roll down Pennsylvania Avenue?..

And one last reminder: without other countries helping our brave revolutionaries fight the British, there would be no America today.

Send Ukraine what they need. No pallets of cash. Instead ammunition..."

dailycaller.com

SEBASTIAN GORKA: The Case For Ukraine

For anyone over the age of 40, I’d expect the threat of war and the specter of Russia nuking American cities was something real. The idea that Moscow were the “bad guys” and wanted to “bury” us wasn’t hyperbole. Just ask anyone a tad older who lived through the Cuba missile crisis.
dailycaller.com dailycaller.com


Sebastian Gorka PhD served as Strategist to President Trump.
What he said. I hope he gets a seat at the table next year.
 
DCandtheUTBand said:
Trump Guy and foreign policy advisor Sebastian Gorka:

"For anyone over the age of 40 ...The idea that Moscow were the “bad guys” and wanted to “bury” us wasn’t hyperbole...

So it’s somewhat perplexing that so many of today’s Conservatives have a rather ambiguous attitude to Russia invading its neighbor Ukraine.

That’s not to say there isn’t a strong isolationist streak in American political culture, from the original America First movement of the 1930s, to its revivified version, the Buchananism of the 1980s...

First let’s address some of the most fallacious and unjustified responses to the war in Ukraine: that America and NATO are to blame.

The most outrageous version of this is the “biolabs” argument, which posits that America was funding secret bioweapons laboratories in Ukraine...who actually built those labs? It was actually the Russians during the Cold War, when Ukraine was part of the USSR...

Then there’s the “America, and her allies provoked the war by enlarging NATO!” Again a strange accusation, given that NATO is not the Warsaw Pact. No one is forced to join, it’s not a colonial empire, it’s a club of free states...

And how exactly did the inclusion of former Communist countries like Hungary or Poland “threaten” Russia, a nation with the largest nuclear arsenal in the world? Strange logic there...

Should we help Kiev? Yes, but not how Biden, Mitch McConnell and the beltway-bandits have been doing it, billions and billions with zero transparency or accountability.
​
I know Ukraine is corrupt. There is no nation in the post-Communist space that isn’t corrupt. Trust me. My family is from the region, and I lived there for 15 years after the Berlin Wall fell...

But being run by a corrupt elite isn’t a justification for another nation invading your territory. The Biden regime is perhaps the most corrupt government America has ever had, does that mean Chinese tanks should be allowed to roll down Pennsylvania Avenue?..

And one last reminder: without other countries helping our brave revolutionaries fight the British, there would be no America today.

Send Ukraine what they need. No pallets of cash. Instead ammunition..."

dailycaller.com

SEBASTIAN GORKA: The Case For Ukraine

For anyone over the age of 40, I’d expect the threat of war and the specter of Russia nuking American cities was something real. The idea that Moscow were the “bad guys” and wanted to “bury” us wasn’t hyperbole. Just ask anyone a tad older who lived through the Cuba missile crisis.
dailycaller.com dailycaller.com


Sebastian Gorka PhD served as Strategist to President Trump.
What he said. I hope he gets a seat at the table next year.
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This Sebastien Gorka? The one who lies about US funded biolabs in Ukraine? I suspect, much like Barr and numerous other hiring mistakes Trump made the first go around, he won’t get that seat you want. At least I hope, as Gorka is awful. You really love you some war, and love you some Ukraine don’t you? I guess you think one dictator is better than the other. But I do enjoy listening to folks trying to use the Nunn-Lugar Act to conflate what is happening today.

See 2014 and 2015 as key years under Obama as to why the whole Russia has biolabs as well argument as silly.

And yes THE US is funding those UKRAINIAN biolabs…CURRENTLY. I say again…CURRENTLY. I guess you learned nothing from Covid. Good grief it takes some a long time to grasp reality. You can’t blame Russia for something CURRENTLY occurring, but it’s a nice bait and switch. I suppose we should also believe Hunters laptop was Russian disinfo, Trump is a Russian asset etc. What will it take for you to finally stop hitting the snooze button?




And I get it, you don’t want to answer the Texas question because that’s exactly what corrupt NATO, and The US are doing to Russia in Ukraine.

Nice cop out.

Again, we don’t have the money, and we aren’t the Good guys here. We (biden) pushed Russia into war. This isn’t hard, and it’s gross.

Lastly, let’s take a look at the manner and body language Trump had when dealing with this little Nazi in the past…

 
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The war in Ukraine needs to stop. The killing needs to stop. No more money to the laundry...
 
Let’s keep this going shall we…

I personally like this line..

“ On April 22, 2020, the U.S. Embassy in Ukraine acknowledged that the U.S. Department of Defense “works with the Ukrainian Government to consolidate and secure pathogens and toxins of security concern in Ukrainian government facilities, while allowing for peaceful research and vaccine development.”


I guess some like to be told the piss on their leg is actually rain. Don’t be that person. No one likes to be around someone who smells like piss.

This isn’t some conspiracy theory. See attached photos of official documents at the bottom of the link below.





nationalfile.com

Evidence Shows People Begging Ukraine President Zelensky To Close U.S. Biolab "DEATH FACTORIES"

A petition was officially sent to Ukraine president Volodymyr Zelensky in 2021 that begs the Ukrainian president and former actor to close down U.S. biolabs in Ukraine. The petition calls the biolabs “DEATH FACTORIES.” The petition, translated, filed by Isaev Mykola Vsisovich in 2021 to the...
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I guess for the folks that are having difficulty. Since you believe everything else your government tells you, maybe listen to them. Ask yourself why they would admit this, now.

Yeah, about that “unprovoked” attack on Ukraine. You can root for Ukraine all you want, just don’t try to tell folks they, or the US were just innocent bystanders having a picnic when this all occurred. The same folks believe Russia blew up its own pipeline.

 
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Did you read the Gorka piece? He does not deny the labs but puts them in context.

But hey its OK I dont like FJB but I can separate him from our long term FP. Gorka still does work for Trump. He is not on the outs with him.

Now some more good news:

Hungary Greenlights Sweden's NATO Membership, Ending Last Obstacle to Alliance Expansion

I know HuffPost for this one ,yuck, but she lets the cat out of the bag.
Minister Strays From Official Government Line With Surprising Putin Take On BBC Question Time

Putin Caught Off Guard as His 'Mini-NATO' Falls Apart
 
If everything works out I think its possible to contain him to the "stans" and Belarus. If he is weakened enough, Georgia as well as Ukraine could enter NATO.

Then its onto a new SEATO with India and the quads to contain China

A wise Philosopher King said "a rising tide lifts all boats."

This is all China and Russia should be focused on. If they do, then things will work out for everyone once we get back to doing things here to get our economic and moral house in order.
 
DCandtheUTBand said:
Did you read the Gorka piece? He does not deny the labs but puts them in context.

But hey its OK I dont like FJB but I can separate him from our long term FP. Gorka still does work for Trump. He is not on the outs with him.

Now some more good news:

Hungary Greenlights Sweden's NATO Membership, Ending Last Obstacle to Alliance Expansion

I know HuffPost for this one ,yuck, but she lets the cat out of the bag.
Minister Strays From Official Government Line With Surprising Putin Take On BBC Question Time

Putin Caught Off Guard as His 'Mini-NATO' Falls Apart
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Yes, not only did I read them, but have listened to his BS multiple times.

The context is this. We had agreements with Russia. We broke those agreements under Obama which is why I gave you those important dates. We broke our word, multiple times.

None of that changes the fact of what we were doing in Ukraine. We were funding biolabs there. You know, like we were funding biolabs in Wuhan. The funny part, we don’t deny it, but you and sebastien do for some odd reason. It’s documented FFS, and not difficult to research. Saying otherwise based on some weird failed agreement with Russia is nothing more than obfuscation.

Not sure what part of that is difficult for you to digest, but nonetheless here we are.

And none of what you posted is “good news” as it leads to WWIII.

Not sure your point here, as everything you posted actually proves my point.

We were and are funding biolabs across the globe, and including Ukraine. What was agreed to as original intent is no longer relevant (see above posts). The US lied to you about what they were doing in Wuhan. It directly lead to millions of deaths. Yet now, you think they are telling you the truth about labs elsewhere. Do you realize how absurd you sound?

NATO is no longer doing what it was intended to do. Surprise surprise. See FBI, CIA, DHS, NSA, etc….

NATO IS corrupt. It is what it is, and for some reason you think fanning the flames of a potential nuclear war is a good idea.

You do realize you can go to actual WW2 museums and see where the US department of war (our government) used propaganda almost 100 years ago, right? Psst.. We never stopped.

To dive deeper, you believe…like Rogan said…

That we create Nuclear weapons, Chemical weapons, but we draw the line at Bioweapons? Sir, please buy my beautiful oceanfront property in death valley.

Lastly, you literally just said you want Ukraine to join NATO. Oof…


Again, my Texas example was spot on. There’s a reason you dismissed it without answering, and you’re proving it unwittingly with each post.


Ukraine joining NATO is a redline for Russia, no different than Texas seceded and forming an alliance with Russia would be a redline for the US. Pretty simple.

But by all means, keep posting Gov propaganda.
 
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