We agree that these issues are 100% factual. Can we also agree both of these problems existed before the current Ukraine/Russia War? Is there empirical evidence of cause and effect here?
No more Ukraine $$
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Making sure I am fully grasping your point. You believe other countries should commit resources to help America resolve some of their domestic issues?
There is empirical evidence you could have housed those vets, and children with the money we have spent. Or at a minimum, put a massive dent in it.
But I think you’re helping make my point. It has been a problem for far too long. So why are we spending money elsewhere and not on this?
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I agree to the extent that it can still be done irrespective of giving Ukraine. I would argue we can easily fund both of those problems instead of giving tax cuts to the rich.
Don’t want to veer too far off course, but taxing the rich is maybe the biggest hoodwinking we let the media snd politicians play.
The rich don’t GAF when you raise the rates. Hell, many of them support it because they understand it’s just a game. A game they can use to manipulate those that don’t understand the game.
If a Billionaire pays 13 percent in Federal income taxes when the rate is 20 percent, then he doesn’t care if you raise it to 50 percent As long as you don’t touch his loopholes. 13 percent is still his rate. The quicker everyone understands the game, the sooner we can discuss real issues instead of being pawns in the game.
I think you have fully grasped my point.
How many times has Ukraine sent us money to help us deal with our issues?
How much have they sent?
Even if that were the case, why do we need to fund Ukraine? Why would we do that before taking care of our own problems?
As soon as all working class folks stop buying the "rich create jobs" and " trickle down" garbage.
Sure after you explain to me why I give a rats ass about Ukraine in the first place.
We don't "need to". We have done so voluntarily. We don't "need to" fund Israel, et al, but we choose to do so for the betterment of world peace.
So basically you want to be able to take money from the people you define as 'rich' and give it to other countries?
Why don't you just make more money yourself, then send it to them? Problem solved.
And Israel works with us on national security issues, they trade with us, they act like an ally.
What does Zelensky do other then come here every 3 months in a sweater demanding more money?
Agree, as to Israel.
I don't know the extent of US/Ukrainian diplomacy enough to answer your question.
Been a member of both. The “rich”, which is laughable, and the working class.
As a member of the former, I can tell you that a damn big portion of money went back into the business. Not only through paying my employees and hiring new ones, but buying and investing in other things (thus growing other businesses) to grow a business.
As a member of the latter (middle class worker), I hated the former, until I worked my way up and introduced myself to the former. 😉
And no, I personally am not rich, but I owned a business and our numbers would make one think we were.
That's good stuff!! You have lived what you speak of. Kudos, man!
Poor people obviously create jobs. 🙄
Billionaire trust funders don't create them but millionaire entrepreneurs absolutely do.
I could easily confuse this for team
Desantis.
The rest is so ignorant it doesn’t deserve a response.
Very true.
It's a lose/lose. Send money people complain, then if Russia takes over more and more countries/land people complain.
How many countries has Russia taken over? I missed all this.
This is not true. EVERY TIME lefties get in office, our military is under funded. In my lifetime since Carter.
@kalimgoodman care to answer? What are these countries that you claim Russia has been taking over? And so many that we have to step in and stop them? And the only way to do that is by giving $100 billion to the crisis actor?
I know I don't do the exhaustive research that you do, but I wasn't aware that Putin was taking over the world. What countries has he conquered so far? @Uniformed_ReRe can you help him?
It's an interesting question, RC. We think about it in our lens, not theirs.
It may not drive a different answer but it is worth going through that framework.
Quick update. Joe Bidens America. Veterans suffer, but yeah…keep shelling out that cash for the Ukrainian Huckster.
www.13newsnow.com
VA facing big backlog of benefits claims, says it could take 2 years to catch up
Department leaders recently blamed PACT Act, a new law that expands health care and benefits for veterans exposed to toxic substances, and new technology for delays.
www.13newsnow.com
Who was the guy here wanting to know what domestic problems we had that weren't being addressed cause we sent $100B to the crisis actor?Quick update. Joe Bidens America. Veterans suffer, but yeah…keep shelling out that cash for the Ukrainian Huckster.
VA facing big backlog of benefits claims, says it could take 2 years to catch up
Department leaders recently blamed PACT Act, a new law that expands health care and benefits for veterans exposed to toxic substances, and new technology for delays.
It’s very strange, that we essentially went to war with Russia after Biden took office. I wonder, Does PEDO Peter and his son Hunter have any financial ties to Ukraine?
Be a shame if anyone looked into that. Oh wait….
Wow. Russia is currently fighting two wars? There is no way they can sustain or survive. I feel sorry for their civilians.
One war, multiple countries. But, I don’t expect you to understand things that are slightly above a 3rd grade level. I feel sorry for your employer.
Well @Uniformed_ReRe believes Russians share the same values and morals as Trump supporters, so how do you feel about their civilians now?
It's all about making emotional statements so you aren't required to think.
Such as....positioning Russia and Putin as the villain, while positioning Zelensky and Ukraine as the heroes. So the takeaway is.....we must support the 'hero' and must fight the 'villain'.
It was always my understanding from when I was a kid that we love hero's and dislike villains.
In this case, we have villains vs villains. Yes, I put more of the blame on Russia and Putin but that fact alone doesn't make Zelensky and Ukraine heroes.
I do feel a great deal of sympathy for most of the civilians and even many in the Ukrainian military...but certainly not all.
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