Napier had a blue chip QB committed, but then our woke university pulled his scholarship offer because he posted himself signing along with a song.
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IMO, he's had an under-rated blue chip QB on the roster for a while now, but they are not putting in the time with him to get him up to ready to go playing speed. They're still wasting time on xfer QB failures from elsewhere... JMOHO, but SOS would have played him last year, just like he'd have played Trask long before the others finally did....
I'm fine with Billy being the HC and organizer, but they may still need a real game day play caller and QB coach....
He may have thought the situation was going to be different at QB but I doubt Napier didnt have the power to keep that QB.
When Napier was hired, the Ast. Coach that I most wanted retained was BillyG.
One of the program's most successful assistant coaches in terms of producing pro talent, former Florida receivers Kadarius Toney, Van Jefferson, Freddie Swain, Tyrie Cleveland, Riley Cooper, Percy Harvin, Louis Murphy, Andre Caldwell, Dallas Baker and Chad Jackson evolved into NFL Draft picks under Gonzales' tutelage.
That didn't happen and the 2022 results are what they are....
However, that mistake has at least been corrected now.
The current WR room (9): (Spring roster listing)
Ricky Pearsall 6-1 187 rsSr
Xzavier Henderson 6-3 198 Jr
Ja'Quavion Fraziars 6-4 218 Jr
Thai Chiaokhiao-Bowman 6-0 198 rsSo
Marcus Burke 6-4 195 rsSo
Caleb Douglas 6-3 203 So
Andy Jean 6-1 195 Fr EE
Aidan Mizell 6-2 171 Fr EE
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Eugene Wilson III 5-11 165 4.5/40 Fr ***** (summer)
WR/CB/ST's+Track - HS Sr - 40 for 764 yds, 11 TD's
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Daniel Cross 6-0 180 rsSr
Kahleil Jackson 6-3 216 rsSo (legacy)
Taylor Spierto 5-11 202 rsSo
Zak Sedaros 5-10 180 rsFr
Alex Gonzalaz 5-10 191 rsFr
https://www.si.com/college/florida/...y-gonzales-early-impressions-new-look-wr-room
One of the program's most successful assistant coaches in terms of producing pro talent, former Florida receivers Kadarius Toney, Van Jefferson, Freddie Swain, Tyrie Cleveland, Riley Cooper, Percy Harvin, Louis Murphy, Andre Caldwell, Dallas Baker and Chad Jackson evolved into NFL Draft picks under Gonzales' tutelage.
That didn't happen and the 2022 results are what they are....
However, that mistake has at least been corrected now.
The current WR room (9): (Spring roster listing)
Ricky Pearsall 6-1 187 rsSr
Xzavier Henderson 6-3 198 Jr
Ja'Quavion Fraziars 6-4 218 Jr
Thai Chiaokhiao-Bowman 6-0 198 rsSo
Marcus Burke 6-4 195 rsSo
Caleb Douglas 6-3 203 So
Andy Jean 6-1 195 Fr EE
Aidan Mizell 6-2 171 Fr EE
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Eugene Wilson III 5-11 165 4.5/40 Fr ***** (summer)
WR/CB/ST's+Track - HS Sr - 40 for 764 yds, 11 TD's
----- 5 Walk-Ons -----
Daniel Cross 6-0 180 rsSr
Kahleil Jackson 6-3 216 rsSo (legacy)
Taylor Spierto 5-11 202 rsSo
Zak Sedaros 5-10 180 rsFr
Alex Gonzalaz 5-10 191 rsFr
https://www.si.com/college/florida/...y-gonzales-early-impressions-new-look-wr-room
No matter what he does, or doesn't do, Billy's not going anywhere else any time soon....
According to the Associated Press, Napier received a 7-year contract from Florida worth $51.8 million. That figure makes him the 5th highest-paid coach in the SEC, with Napier set to make $7.1 million in the first year of his deal with an annual raise of $100,000 per year. (buy-out would likely be U-glee)
"That's a pretty nice deal when you can get paid 7.1 Mill with a 100K raise for having a 6-7 season loser with a 3-30 Bowl loss and the #12 Ranked 2023 recruiting class...." (iG)
"Can Billy Napierget this turned around soon enough for his long-term vision to take hold?," Petagna said, via the 247Sports Football Recruiting Podcast. "He's been planting a lot of seeds that are going to take 2-3 years to sprout. But is that going to be enough time? Their future is really murky for me. Last year when Napier took the job, we talked about Florida, Florida State and Miami — I had the most confidence in the Gators.
I do not feel that same way. I am very skeptical of the future in Gainesville." 😲
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After only 1 season as a rsSo starter, AR15 bolts way early for the NFL.
And his favorite WR Shorter (expended eligibility), also moves on to the NFL.
While 2 of the 3 projected 2023 WR starters opted out also....
QB Miller III rsSo - on roster as a former tOSU 2022 xfer in, (3-30 Bowl).
WR Caleb Douglas 6-3 191 Fr xfers out.
He made first career start in huge upset win vs. South Carolina (Nov. 12)…
He led all receivers with 53 yards on 3 catches vs. USCe
As a Bowl starter he had 2 for 25 yds and was a projected starter for 2023.
At the end of the season, he looked at the QB situation and entered the xfer portal, so he's gonzo...
QB Mertz rsJr - then for 2023 the 2022 Wis QB transfers in.
Mertz and Miller battle 10-7 in the Spring, (rsFr QB ignored yet again)
WR Henderson 6-3 198 Jr then decides to xfer out.
He was the #3 2022 WR and the projected #2 2023 WR.
But at least they still have the xfer-in WR Ricky to carry the 2023 WR load...
Neither failed xfer Miller or Mertz have even a 60% career completion %, and neither are considered dual threat QB's,,, while the HS recruit with a 71%+ completion percentage with a 7.8 ypc, has apparently devolved as a passer under UF coaching and/or he's to stupid to learn Billy's high scoring and highly complex offense, making him also a dead-end Gator QB-dt....
So, they are now looking to bring in a 3rd xfer QB that some other coach has already developed up to speed for them, since that has already worked so well for them the first 2 times.... 🙄
But the iG thinks that BillyN has demonstrated that he is the perfect football HC for Gator football program now daze, as he continues his development of the Gator's QB room for it's future success.... GooooooGATORS!
https://247sports.com/college/flori...en-year-contract-worth-518-million-177333693/
According to the Associated Press, Napier received a 7-year contract from Florida worth $51.8 million. That figure makes him the 5th highest-paid coach in the SEC, with Napier set to make $7.1 million in the first year of his deal with an annual raise of $100,000 per year. (buy-out would likely be U-glee)
"That's a pretty nice deal when you can get paid 7.1 Mill with a 100K raise for having a 6-7 season loser with a 3-30 Bowl loss and the #12 Ranked 2023 recruiting class...." (iG)
"Can Billy Napierget this turned around soon enough for his long-term vision to take hold?," Petagna said, via the 247Sports Football Recruiting Podcast. "He's been planting a lot of seeds that are going to take 2-3 years to sprout. But is that going to be enough time? Their future is really murky for me. Last year when Napier took the job, we talked about Florida, Florida State and Miami — I had the most confidence in the Gators.
I do not feel that same way. I am very skeptical of the future in Gainesville." 😲
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After only 1 season as a rsSo starter, AR15 bolts way early for the NFL.
And his favorite WR Shorter (expended eligibility), also moves on to the NFL.
While 2 of the 3 projected 2023 WR starters opted out also....
QB Miller III rsSo - on roster as a former tOSU 2022 xfer in, (3-30 Bowl).
WR Caleb Douglas 6-3 191 Fr xfers out.
He made first career start in huge upset win vs. South Carolina (Nov. 12)…
He led all receivers with 53 yards on 3 catches vs. USCe
As a Bowl starter he had 2 for 25 yds and was a projected starter for 2023.
At the end of the season, he looked at the QB situation and entered the xfer portal, so he's gonzo...
QB Mertz rsJr - then for 2023 the 2022 Wis QB transfers in.
Mertz and Miller battle 10-7 in the Spring, (rsFr QB ignored yet again)
WR Henderson 6-3 198 Jr then decides to xfer out.
He was the #3 2022 WR and the projected #2 2023 WR.
But at least they still have the xfer-in WR Ricky to carry the 2023 WR load...
Neither failed xfer Miller or Mertz have even a 60% career completion %, and neither are considered dual threat QB's,,, while the HS recruit with a 71%+ completion percentage with a 7.8 ypc, has apparently devolved as a passer under UF coaching and/or he's to stupid to learn Billy's high scoring and highly complex offense, making him also a dead-end Gator QB-dt....
So, they are now looking to bring in a 3rd xfer QB that some other coach has already developed up to speed for them, since that has already worked so well for them the first 2 times.... 🙄
But the iG thinks that BillyN has demonstrated that he is the perfect football HC for Gator football program now daze, as he continues his development of the Gator's QB room for it's future success.... GooooooGATORS!
https://247sports.com/college/flori...en-year-contract-worth-518-million-177333693/
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Napier should have pressed the big boosters to try and bring in a proven QB that played at a decent level. Kind of crazy KY gets Leary and we get Mertz.
Leary isn’t exactly great and to top it all off he has a bad shoulder and couldn’t even participate in spring practice. No guarantees he’s going to be able to return to 100%. Not really an ideal situation. Fact of the matter is there wasn’t really any great portal QB transfer options this year. The best 2 that everybody thought were going to transfer ended up staying in McCall and Pratt.
I think Leary was one of the best ones in the portal though. I think he will be fine to fully participate in KY's camp. I guess we will see what the deal with him in the SEC is when we go to KY.
I know you probably dont want to say but who do you think on our schedule has a QB that isnt better than Mertz?
Off the top of my head I would assume the 2 totally outmatched teams we play and Vandy I dont know enough about who is winning that job so I will add Vandy.
Mizzu I am not sure but I would say all these teams have the better QB:
Utah
Arkansas
TN
KY
SC
GA - just based on what I have heard
LSU
FSU
All I will say about Leary is if he was so sought after or programs wanted him or had confidence in him because of his injury why was UK pretty much the only program that went after him? To me that is a bit of a red flag that literally no big programs went after him. NC State also did not fight to keep him. His Qb rating last year was 130.9 which ironically enough was worse than Mertz’s. Sorry I’m not sold on Leary at the moment due to his injury status.
The Athletic had a story yesterday, from Andy Staples, about Gators football that was also pretty skeptical. It said CBN’s buyout was $31m, so he isn’t going anywhere any time soon.
UF is the ONLY SEC school that's had 3 Heisman QB's, plus several other Heisman top 5 finalists QB's.
So, WTF is wrong with the Gator's and QB;s recently??? (snake bit maybe?)
QB Emory Jones bails out to portal.
QB Carlos Del Rio-Wilson bails out to portal.
QB Jalen Kitna stomps on his own,,,errr, foot...
QB Max Brown is flip/recruited as an underrated high potential, then never developed.
QB Jack Miller III stinks, then goes down injured, only to return for the Bowl and stink.
QB AR-15 rsSo leaves way early for the NFL draft.
QB Marcus Stokes loses his UF offer over WOKE nonsense.
QB Jaden Rashada decommits from UF, apparently over an NIL cluster...
QB Graham Mertz career 59.5%, 38 TD's, 26 Ints, 49 Sacks joins Miller to stink in the O&B game.
Billy is now looking to bring in his 3rd xfer QB, leaving Max in 'QB No Man's Land' imo...
Waiting in the wings, IF he remains committed, is 2024 QB Lagway.(I'm hoping those NIL checks cleared this time...)
Would anyone like to put a grade on the Gator's recent QB recruiting, QB roster management, or coaching development?
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I found this ESPN article just before posting the above, so here's a kind of 2nd opinion...
www.espn.com
So, WTF is wrong with the Gator's and QB;s recently??? (snake bit maybe?)
QB Emory Jones bails out to portal.
QB Carlos Del Rio-Wilson bails out to portal.
QB Jalen Kitna stomps on his own,,,errr, foot...
QB Max Brown is flip/recruited as an underrated high potential, then never developed.
QB Jack Miller III stinks, then goes down injured, only to return for the Bowl and stink.
QB AR-15 rsSo leaves way early for the NFL draft.
QB Marcus Stokes loses his UF offer over WOKE nonsense.
QB Jaden Rashada decommits from UF, apparently over an NIL cluster...
QB Graham Mertz career 59.5%, 38 TD's, 26 Ints, 49 Sacks joins Miller to stink in the O&B game.
Billy is now looking to bring in his 3rd xfer QB, leaving Max in 'QB No Man's Land' imo...
Waiting in the wings, IF he remains committed, is 2024 QB Lagway.(I'm hoping those NIL checks cleared this time...)
Would anyone like to put a grade on the Gator's recent QB recruiting, QB roster management, or coaching development?
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I found this ESPN article just before posting the above, so here's a kind of 2nd opinion...
Ex-Wisconsin QB Mertz transferring to Florida
Former Wisconsin quarterback Graham Mertz is transferring to Florida, giving the Gators an experienced starter at a depleted position.
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UF is the ONLY SEC school that's had 3 Heisman QB's, plus several other Heisman top 5 finalists QB's.
So, WTF is wrong with the Gator's and QB;s recently??? (snake bit maybe?)
QB Emory Jones bails out to portal.
QB Carlos Del Rio-Wilson bails out to portal.
QB Jzlen Kitna stomps on his own,,,errr, foot...
QB Max Brown is flip/recruited as an underrated high potential, then never developed.
QB Jack Miller III stinks, then goes down injured, only to return for the Bowl and stink.
QB AR-15 rsSo leaves way early for the NFL draft.
QB Marcus Stokes loses his UF offer over WOKE nonsense.
QB Jaden Rashada decommits from UF, apparently over an NIL cluster...
QB Graham Mertz career 59.5%, 38 TD's, 26 Ints, 49 Sacks joins Miller to stink in the O&B game.
Billy is now looking to bring in his 3rd xfer QB, leaving Max in 'QB No Man's Land' imo...
Waiting in the wings, IF he remains committed, is 2024 QB Lagway.(I'm hoping those NIL checks cleared this time...)
Would anyone like to put a grade on the Gator's recent QB recruiting, QB roster management, or coaching development?
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I found this ESPN article just before posting the above, so here's a kind of 2nd opinion...
Ex-Wisconsin QB Mertz transferring to Florida
Former Wisconsin quarterback Graham Mertz is transferring to Florida, giving the Gators an experienced starter at a depleted position.
It hasnt been too good since Trask left but I think it may be the talent just isnt there and its not on the coaching. Napier does own Mertz and Miller though as he brought them here and he owns not recruiting one high school QB blue chipper his first 2 classes. People will give him this season but will expect real improvement in 2024. If we somehow went 5-7 its not going to be a nice atmosphere for him going into 2024.
WTF???? --- 🙄
And he's planning on trying to bring in yet another xfer QB instead of developing the HS QB that he flip/recruited and callled him an underrated 4-star with a lot of potential....
His QB recruiting has been less than spectacular.
His QB coaching and development has been less than spectacular.
His QB xfers have been dismal imo.
And bringing in yet another xfer QB this summer is just plain stupid and it looks desperate to me,,,, again imo.
Fever, sorry, but what you said doesn't make sense to me....
And if he can't coach up Brown to be better than the 2 xfer chumps that he's already wasted 2 ships on, then Gator football is in real trouble.
If I've got that all of that wrong, then anyone with some FACTS is free to correct my impressions on where we're sitting at QB right now.... 🤓
I doubt he can get a decent transfer QB to come here this late in the year. Whoever he gets will probably be behind Brown. He better get a proven one after the season though for 1 season unless Mertz shocks everybody.
Leary hurt his shoulder in the fsu game this yr while throwing the ball (his throwing shoulder). Even before that he wasn't having a good yr. So if he's still injured and not 100% you will be right. If he returns to form though, he would be a huge miss by most programs who passed on him. He was excellent the yr before last because he had a decent team. NC state had a good defense last yr but their o line and receiver core was absolute trash. All depends on that injury, if he's healthy, Kentucky got a steal imo.
Not sure what to think of KY. It is set up nice for getting the QB into a groove for them as their first 3 games are the overmatched teams and then they get Vandy before us. I am thinking 7-5 since they catch Bama this year but they might could go 8-4 if that QB works out alright.
"The Gators are among an abundance of Power-Five programs who have yet to name a starting quarterback for the 2023 season, as the battle between Graham Mertz rsJr and Jack Miller III rsSo will continue when UF opens fall camp in early August." - ESPN
(the ESPN genius sports journalist apparently don't even know that 2nd year rsFr QB-dt Max Brown even exists, much like the Gator coaching staff apparently....) 🙄
"Regardless of whether it's Mertz or Miller under center for the first snap of the regular season in Salt Lake City on Aug. 31, ESPN doesn't appear to be relatively impressed with either option for the Gators." 🤓
Jack Miller rsSo - 3rd - 3-30 OreSt in 2022 Bowl.
"Against top-40 defenses last season (by defensive efficiency), Graham Mertz rsJr completed 54% of his throws, averaged 6 yards-per-pass, threw 5 TDs to 7 picks and had a 49.1 Total QBR. Wisconsin finished 0-5 in those games," ESPN's David Hale noted.
While Max Brown rsFr remains the 'Invisible Man' on the roster.....
(leaving the iG totally disgusted with the QB coaching decisions so far) 😒
While considering bringing in a HS Jr early (Austin Simmons 6-2 180) to compete at QB, is a double kick in the nutts for imo lied to, flipped, and then ignored Brown. 😠
I'm certainly not, but IF I was Brown, I'd be asking my Dad to see if a school like Vandy wants or needs a dual threat QB / Baseball player for their teams, and I'd be freakin' OUTTA-HERE! (that said, as a long time Gator fan, I'm still hoping he stays, but that's for our benefit not his...)
https://247sports.com/college/flori...in-Tier-5a-for-2023-season-by-ESPN-210367991/
(the ESPN genius sports journalist apparently don't even know that 2nd year rsFr QB-dt Max Brown even exists, much like the Gator coaching staff apparently....) 🙄
"Regardless of whether it's Mertz or Miller under center for the first snap of the regular season in Salt Lake City on Aug. 31, ESPN doesn't appear to be relatively impressed with either option for the Gators." 🤓
Jack Miller rsSo - 3rd - 3-30 OreSt in 2022 Bowl.
"Against top-40 defenses last season (by defensive efficiency), Graham Mertz rsJr completed 54% of his throws, averaged 6 yards-per-pass, threw 5 TDs to 7 picks and had a 49.1 Total QBR. Wisconsin finished 0-5 in those games," ESPN's David Hale noted.
While Max Brown rsFr remains the 'Invisible Man' on the roster.....
(leaving the iG totally disgusted with the QB coaching decisions so far) 😒
While considering bringing in a HS Jr early (Austin Simmons 6-2 180) to compete at QB, is a double kick in the nutts for imo lied to, flipped, and then ignored Brown. 😠
I'm certainly not, but IF I was Brown, I'd be asking my Dad to see if a school like Vandy wants or needs a dual threat QB / Baseball player for their teams, and I'd be freakin' OUTTA-HERE! (that said, as a long time Gator fan, I'm still hoping he stays, but that's for our benefit not his...)
https://247sports.com/college/flori...in-Tier-5a-for-2023-season-by-ESPN-210367991/
Brown should probably decide what he wants to do long term and focus on one sport. - if he wants to be in the Major Leagues or the NFL. By missing baseball for a year apparently trying to learn Napier's system and field awareness etc. from what it sounded like from Napier he is probably rusty there.
Not just Napier, but Sully needs to be given the boot as well. Another Florida coach letting the uber talented Brown waste away on the bench...sad to see.
CG1 suggest firing them,,, boring tongue in cheek drivel aimed at the iG.... 🙄
iG suggests bitch-slappin' BN awake, while O'Sul was happy to take Max in late as depth and a practice piece to begin with,,, and that's without a ship.
There is also a very slight difference in Coaching W/L performance between the two coaches, just in case CG1 is also to dumb to notice that.... 😜
Moving right along with these 'Talking Season' considerations....
QB Recruiting Results... UF got Miller III in 22, and then Mertz.in 23....
So it must be time to celebrate.... 🙄
www.cbssports.com
After a 6-7 finish in his first year as the head coach of the Florida Gators, Napier fell 11 spots in CBS Sports' annual ranking of the best Power-Five head coaches.. (Natl/SEC)
68/14 MsSt
56/13 VU
51/12 Mizz
43/11 UF
42/10 Ark
40/9 SCa
26/8 AU
20/7 aTm
(19-FSU)
18/6 UK
16/5 Tn
14/4 Ms
6/3 LSU
2/2 UGA
1/1 UA
https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...lummet-among-power-five-coaches-ranked-69-26/For their article on SEC Ranking...
https://247sports.com/college/flori...apier-as-SECs-11th-best-head-coach-210421126/QB Recruiting Results... UF got Miller III in 22, and then Mertz.in 23....
So it must be time to celebrate.... 🙄
Georgia lands Dylan Raiola: No. 1 recruit in 2024 class hopes to continue trend of successful top-ranked QBs
Raiola is in rare company as both the top quarterback and top prospect nationally for his class
www.cbssports.com
Have we not learned anything about players and coaches with names beginning with M?Moving right along with these 'Talking Season' considerations....
After a 6-7 finish in his first year as the head coach of the Florida Gators, Napier fell 11 spots in CBS Sports' annual ranking of the best Power-Five head coaches.. (Natl/SEC)
68/14 MsSt
56/13 VU
51/12 Mizz
43/11 UF
42/10 Ark
40/9 SCa
26/8 AU
20/7 aTm
(19-FSU)
18/6 UK
16/5 Tn
14/4 Ms
6/3 LSU
2/2 UGA
1/1 UA
https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...lummet-among-power-five-coaches-ranked-69-26/
For their article on SEC Ranking...
https://247sports.com/college/flori...apier-as-SECs-11th-best-head-coach-210421126/
QB Recruiting Results... UF got Miller III in 22, and then Mertz.in 23....
So it must be time to celebrate.... 🙄
Georgia lands Dylan Raiola: No. 1 recruit in 2024 class hopes to continue trend of successful top-ranked QBs
Raiola is in rare company as both the top quarterback and top prospect nationally for his class
The Gator's 2023 QB Status continues to be a hot topic:
In 2 years (20 Gms) QB-dt DJ Lagway has: QBR 130
In 2 years (27 Gms) QB-dt Max Brown had: QBR 142
Lagway P - 271 of 447 for 3,670 Yds, 60.1% for 41 TD's 8 Ints, a 5.1 to 1 ratio
Brown P --- 255 of 356 for 4,416 Yds, 71.6% for 68 TD's 10 Ints, a 6.8 to 1 ratio
Lagway R - 179 for 1,227 Yds, 6.8 ypc, 13 TD's to 4 LPF's
Brown R -- 327 for 2,335 Yds, 7.1 ypc, 33 TD's to 1 LPF.
Lagway's team's 2 Yr W/L record is 5-7 + 5-5 = 10-12
Brown's team's 2 Year W/L record is 12-1 + 13-1 = 25-2
Max Preps lists Lagway at 6-3 190
247 lists him at 6-2 215.
Max Preps listed Brown at 6-3 200
UF Bio lists him at 6-2 215
This is how the iG would like to see the next few years play out for Gator QB's:
2023 - Mertz rsJr for 3 Gms as he continues to suck..
Replaced by Miller rsSo for 3 Gms as he continues to suck.
Then Brown rsFr to come in and do well for the final 6-7 Gms.
(I'd really rather see Brown be the 2023 starter from the get-go, without the prior suckage)
2024 - 1. Brown rsSo, 2 Lagway Fr (plays in 4 Gms, redshirt), 3, 4, 5, whatever....
2025 - 1. Brown rsJr, 2. Lagway rsFr (gets 15-20% of snaps for an incredible 1-2 punch)
2026 - 1. Lagway rsSo, then whomever.... (as Brown leaves early for the NFL draft)
Yeah, yeah, I'm dreamin' but so-what? After all, it's 'Talking Season' ain't it? 😉
https://www.si.com/college/florida/...-sports-college-football-video-game-247sports
In 2 years (20 Gms) QB-dt DJ Lagway has: QBR 130
In 2 years (27 Gms) QB-dt Max Brown had: QBR 142
Lagway P - 271 of 447 for 3,670 Yds, 60.1% for 41 TD's 8 Ints, a 5.1 to 1 ratio
Brown P --- 255 of 356 for 4,416 Yds, 71.6% for 68 TD's 10 Ints, a 6.8 to 1 ratio
Lagway R - 179 for 1,227 Yds, 6.8 ypc, 13 TD's to 4 LPF's
Brown R -- 327 for 2,335 Yds, 7.1 ypc, 33 TD's to 1 LPF.
Lagway's team's 2 Yr W/L record is 5-7 + 5-5 = 10-12
Brown's team's 2 Year W/L record is 12-1 + 13-1 = 25-2
Max Preps lists Lagway at 6-3 190
247 lists him at 6-2 215.
Max Preps listed Brown at 6-3 200
UF Bio lists him at 6-2 215
This is how the iG would like to see the next few years play out for Gator QB's:
2023 - Mertz rsJr for 3 Gms as he continues to suck..
Replaced by Miller rsSo for 3 Gms as he continues to suck.
Then Brown rsFr to come in and do well for the final 6-7 Gms.
(I'd really rather see Brown be the 2023 starter from the get-go, without the prior suckage)
2024 - 1. Brown rsSo, 2 Lagway Fr (plays in 4 Gms, redshirt), 3, 4, 5, whatever....
2025 - 1. Brown rsJr, 2. Lagway rsFr (gets 15-20% of snaps for an incredible 1-2 punch)
2026 - 1. Lagway rsSo, then whomever.... (as Brown leaves early for the NFL draft)
Yeah, yeah, I'm dreamin' but so-what? After all, it's 'Talking Season' ain't it? 😉
https://www.si.com/college/florida/...-sports-college-football-video-game-247sports
Why is Billy so focused on using QB-pp's Mertz or Miller at QB in 2023?
Is it because highly underrated 3-star QB-dt Max Brown is stupid, or he lacks the talent to start or play?
(or is he trying to pave an easy way for the 2024 guy, while stringing Max along to be DJ's dual threat backup?)
Brown walked on the football field for the 1st time as a HS Jr, and immediately learned the offense and earned the starting job.
Then he went 24-0 regular season and was named the OK 3A MVP as a Sr.
Anyone attempting to claim that Max is too slow/stupid too learn Napier's excuse for his 2022 offense is a moron, delusional, or just giving BS excuses for where they currently are at QB development,,, imo.
This SI Article might clue you in.... (Mertz/Miller/Brown are just marking time for Billy in 2023)
"Billy Napier's tenure could ultimately be defined by (QB-dt) Lagway's success at Florida, whom the head coach offered last March and never stopped pursuing until his commitment roughly nine months later."
(Brown's stats, while only playing organized football for 2 years, are much better than life-long QB-dt Lagway's HS stats are)
RB Chauncey Bowens 5-11 219 **** - N.Palm Bch, FL
2 Yrs, 21 Gms - R - 309 for 2,133 yds, 6.9 ypc 20 TD's, his LPF's are not listed??
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QB-dt Max Brown 6-2 215 *** - Tulsa, OK
2 Yrs, 27 Gms - R - 327 for 2,335 yds, 7.1 ypc 33 TD's, only 1 LPF on his 327 carries! 😲
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QB-dt Derek Lagway 6-2 215 ***** - Willis, TX
2 Yrs 20 Gms - R - 179 for 1,227 yds, 6.9 ypc, 13 TD's, 4 LPF's on just 179 carries.
I'm just slightly amazed that a '7 Million Dollar Man' like HC/OC Napier is, was unable to coach up Brown enough to get him on the field for at least a few real game plays, by the 3-30 embarrassing Bowl loss game last season. 🙄
(but that 6-7 HC/OC football genius still got himself a nice $100,000.00 Raise)
And I'm certainly amazed by the fact that he still believes that the Mertz/Miller QB-pp combo/fiasco are a better choice for 2023 than QB-dt Max Brown is..... (in order to dual-threat prepare the rest of the offense for the arrival of All-Universe QB-dt Lagway in 24)
Is it because highly underrated 3-star QB-dt Max Brown is stupid, or he lacks the talent to start or play?
(or is he trying to pave an easy way for the 2024 guy, while stringing Max along to be DJ's dual threat backup?)
Brown walked on the football field for the 1st time as a HS Jr, and immediately learned the offense and earned the starting job.
Then he went 24-0 regular season and was named the OK 3A MVP as a Sr.
Anyone attempting to claim that Max is too slow/stupid too learn Napier's excuse for his 2022 offense is a moron, delusional, or just giving BS excuses for where they currently are at QB development,,, imo.
This SI Article might clue you in.... (Mertz/Miller/Brown are just marking time for Billy in 2023)
"Billy Napier's tenure could ultimately be defined by (QB-dt) Lagway's success at Florida, whom the head coach offered last March and never stopped pursuing until his commitment roughly nine months later."
(Brown's stats, while only playing organized football for 2 years, are much better than life-long QB-dt Lagway's HS stats are)
RB Chauncey Bowens 5-11 219 **** - N.Palm Bch, FL
2 Yrs, 21 Gms - R - 309 for 2,133 yds, 6.9 ypc 20 TD's, his LPF's are not listed??
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QB-dt Max Brown 6-2 215 *** - Tulsa, OK
2 Yrs, 27 Gms - R - 327 for 2,335 yds, 7.1 ypc 33 TD's, only 1 LPF on his 327 carries! 😲
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QB-dt Derek Lagway 6-2 215 ***** - Willis, TX
2 Yrs 20 Gms - R - 179 for 1,227 yds, 6.9 ypc, 13 TD's, 4 LPF's on just 179 carries.
I'm just slightly amazed that a '7 Million Dollar Man' like HC/OC Napier is, was unable to coach up Brown enough to get him on the field for at least a few real game plays, by the 3-30 embarrassing Bowl loss game last season. 🙄
(but that 6-7 HC/OC football genius still got himself a nice $100,000.00 Raise)
And I'm certainly amazed by the fact that he still believes that the Mertz/Miller QB-pp combo/fiasco are a better choice for 2023 than QB-dt Max Brown is..... (in order to dual-threat prepare the rest of the offense for the arrival of All-Universe QB-dt Lagway in 24)
Rating the Gator's 2023 QB Position group:
Each person here doing their own ratings, 1 thru 5, with a 5 being the best rating....
QB-pp & QB-dt
QB-pp Graham Mertz 6-3 214 rsJr - 23 Wis xfer
Wis Career:
P - 460 of 773 for 59.5%, 38 TD's, 26 Ints, 49 Sacks
R - 125 for -21 yds, 8 TD's
The iG's QB rating of Mertz is a 3, at best....
QB-pp Jack Miller III -- 6-3 214 rsSo - 22 tOSU xfer
tOSU P - 7 of 14, 50%
UF P - 13 of 22 59%
UF R - 13 for 13 yds, 1.0 ypc
The iG's rating is a 2
Neither Mertz nor Miller have even a 60% completion %....
QB-dt Max Brown ------ 6-2 215 rsJr - 22 HS recrut, flipped
https://floridagators.com/sports/football/roster/max-brown/15858
The iG's speculation at a rating is a 4
QB Parker Leise 6-2 215 Fr - 23 HS IMG recruit
https://floridagators.com/sports/football/roster/parker-leise/15976
The iG's speculation at a rating is a 3.5
QB Micah Leon 6-5 211 Grad-Sr Walkon - NCSt/UConn prior xfer's
His only college experience was in 2021 UConn vs Houston - 10 of 13 for 62 Yds.
The iG's rating is a 2.5 mostly due to his lack of career college playing time.
If the iG had to go with a 2 QB system, I'd choose Brown/Leise over Mertz/Miller every time, and twice on Saturday's...
Why? Because there's a vast difference in just having experience, and having a history of positive winning experience....
QB Room Rating = 3
QB 2023 Depth Chart for the iG:
1. Brown
2. Leise
3. Leon
4. Mertz
5. Miller
Each person here doing their own ratings, 1 thru 5, with a 5 being the best rating....
QB-pp & QB-dt
QB-pp Graham Mertz 6-3 214 rsJr - 23 Wis xfer
Wis Career:
P - 460 of 773 for 59.5%, 38 TD's, 26 Ints, 49 Sacks
R - 125 for -21 yds, 8 TD's
The iG's QB rating of Mertz is a 3, at best....
QB-pp Jack Miller III -- 6-3 214 rsSo - 22 tOSU xfer
tOSU P - 7 of 14, 50%
UF P - 13 of 22 59%
UF R - 13 for 13 yds, 1.0 ypc
The iG's rating is a 2
Neither Mertz nor Miller have even a 60% completion %....
QB-dt Max Brown ------ 6-2 215 rsJr - 22 HS recrut, flipped
https://floridagators.com/sports/football/roster/max-brown/15858
The iG's speculation at a rating is a 4
QB Parker Leise 6-2 215 Fr - 23 HS IMG recruit
https://floridagators.com/sports/football/roster/parker-leise/15976
The iG's speculation at a rating is a 3.5
QB Micah Leon 6-5 211 Grad-Sr Walkon - NCSt/UConn prior xfer's
His only college experience was in 2021 UConn vs Houston - 10 of 13 for 62 Yds.
The iG's rating is a 2.5 mostly due to his lack of career college playing time.
If the iG had to go with a 2 QB system, I'd choose Brown/Leise over Mertz/Miller every time, and twice on Saturday's...
Why? Because there's a vast difference in just having experience, and having a history of positive winning experience....
QB Room Rating = 3
QB 2023 Depth Chart for the iG:
1. Brown
2. Leise
3. Leon
4. Mertz
5. Miller
What has happened since he walked onto UF's football and baseball practice fields? I think there may be a learning curve with Brown.
Watch the video I posted at about the 4:30 mark. Post number #225
He will probably have to make a decision in 2024 on what he wants to focus on. If we do land Simmons and/or Lagway its going to be tough for him probably as far as being a starter. One chance he has though is if this QB situation becomes the cluster * I think it might he may be given a chance to show what he has late this season.
Some people think the fans are overreacting on the QB situation but most of the sports sites and Vegas think we have a major issue there. Most of their early predictions have us 11th or 12th in the SEC with only Vandy and Missouri worse and some even have Auburn who is a mess over us since they got Michigan State's QB.
I've seen conflicting statements about Brown from BN. (coach speak)
"I'm just slightly amazed that a '7 Million Dollar Man' like HC/OC Napier is, was unable to coach up Brown enough to get him on the field for at least a few real game plays, by the 3-30 embarrassing Bowl loss game last season. 🙄
(but that 6-7 HC/OC football genius still got himself a nice $100,000.00 Raise)" (iG)
I've seen no proof of any kind that Brown is mentally slow, it's just the opposite.
He had no trouble with playing both football and baseball in HS, and he learned the football offense well enough to earn starter and then go 24-0 Reg season and being named OK 3A MVP as a Sr, while being projected as a direct to MLB draft out of HS, but instead taking a ship offer from D-1, SEC, UF......
And looking at their game stats, Brown looks better to me than Mertz and Miller on the roster, and he has much better dual threat HS stats than Lagway or Simmons.
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While the feveredbrains dissing on Max joining baseball is just plain biased/stupid.
Max, a late comer WO to the team but was still welcomed by Sully, was never expected to be a starter this year, and especially not on an already established roster that just won the SEC-C. 🙄
If BN thought that Max was stupid or mentally slow, why would he have ever given him a ship, and then worse, allowed him to also WO to the baseball team?
"I'm just slightly amazed that a '7 Million Dollar Man' like HC/OC Napier is, was unable to coach up Brown enough to get him on the field for at least a few real game plays, by the 3-30 embarrassing Bowl loss game last season. 🙄
(but that 6-7 HC/OC football genius still got himself a nice $100,000.00 Raise)" (iG)
I've seen no proof of any kind that Brown is mentally slow, it's just the opposite.
He had no trouble with playing both football and baseball in HS, and he learned the football offense well enough to earn starter and then go 24-0 Reg season and being named OK 3A MVP as a Sr, while being projected as a direct to MLB draft out of HS, but instead taking a ship offer from D-1, SEC, UF......
And looking at their game stats, Brown looks better to me than Mertz and Miller on the roster, and he has much better dual threat HS stats than Lagway or Simmons.
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While the feveredbrains dissing on Max joining baseball is just plain biased/stupid.
Max, a late comer WO to the team but was still welcomed by Sully, was never expected to be a starter this year, and especially not on an already established roster that just won the SEC-C. 🙄
If BN thought that Max was stupid or mentally slow, why would he have ever given him a ship, and then worse, allowed him to also WO to the baseball team?
Maybe his 1 for 4 passing totaling 15 yards and his 1 rush for -10 yards in OB game didn't help?
I think Broward All-Star Kyle Engel was the backup in the bowl game. Napier said he had a lot to learn still but you could say that about any QB I guess. Is Brown not getting any playing time in baseball yet because that coach is refusing to play him despite him being better than the other players also?
2023 L.A. Elite 11 QB Finalist Roster: (June 14-16) just a FYI...
1. QB-pp Dylan Raiola 6-3 228 ***** 0.9995 - Phoenix, AZ -- UGly
3. QB-pp Elijah Brown 6-2 180 **** - Santa Ana, CA - uncommitted
4. QB-pp Julian Sayin 6-1 195 **** - Carlsbad, CA - Bama
5. QB-PP CJ Carr 6-2.5 195 **** - Saline, Mich - Neutered Lame
6. QB-dt DJ Lagway 6-2 225 **** - Willis, TX - Florida
R - 50 for 517 yds, 10.3 ypc, 7 TD's -- He's also an UA-AA Invite (Jan-2024)
7. QB-pp Air Noland 6-3 195 **** - Fairburn, GA - tOSU
8. QB-dt Luke Kromenhoek 6-4 185 **** - Savannah, GA - FSU <<<
R - 139 for 453 yds, 3.2 ypc, 7 TD's
13. QB-dt Demond Williams 5-11 180 **** - Chandler, AZ - Ole Miss
R - 138 for 764 yds, 5.5 ypc, 5 TD's
23. QB-pp Colin Hurley 6-0 213 *** - Jacksonville, FL - LSU
26. QB-dt than Grunkemeyer 6-2 190 *** - Olentangy, OH - PSU
R - 68 for 201, 3.0 ypc, 4 TD's
37. QB-dt Trever Jackson 6-2.5 185 *** - W.Orange, FL - uncommitted
R - 52 for 306 yds, 5.9 ypc, 6 TD's
247sports.com
1. QB-pp Dylan Raiola 6-3 228 ***** 0.9995 - Phoenix, AZ -- UGly
3. QB-pp Elijah Brown 6-2 180 **** - Santa Ana, CA - uncommitted
4. QB-pp Julian Sayin 6-1 195 **** - Carlsbad, CA - Bama
5. QB-PP CJ Carr 6-2.5 195 **** - Saline, Mich - Neutered Lame
6. QB-dt DJ Lagway 6-2 225 **** - Willis, TX - Florida
R - 50 for 517 yds, 10.3 ypc, 7 TD's -- He's also an UA-AA Invite (Jan-2024)
7. QB-pp Air Noland 6-3 195 **** - Fairburn, GA - tOSU
8. QB-dt Luke Kromenhoek 6-4 185 **** - Savannah, GA - FSU <<<
R - 139 for 453 yds, 3.2 ypc, 7 TD's
13. QB-dt Demond Williams 5-11 180 **** - Chandler, AZ - Ole Miss
R - 138 for 764 yds, 5.5 ypc, 5 TD's
23. QB-pp Colin Hurley 6-0 213 *** - Jacksonville, FL - LSU
26. QB-dt than Grunkemeyer 6-2 190 *** - Olentangy, OH - PSU
R - 68 for 201, 3.0 ypc, 4 TD's
37. QB-dt Trever Jackson 6-2.5 185 *** - W.Orange, FL - uncommitted
R - 52 for 306 yds, 5.9 ypc, 6 TD's
2023 Elite 11 Finals roster: No. 1 QB Dylan Raiola headlines list of invitees
A running list of the players who have been invited to the Elite 11 Finals in Los Angeles June 14-16
247sports.com
The Portal's 5 highest rated remaining players:
Should Billy be recruiting, or re-recruiting these 3 in the portal?
1. WR Zakhari Franklin - UTSA
3. OG Ethan White - UF
4. WR Xzavier Henderson - UF
Should Billy be recruiting, or re-recruiting these 3 in the portal?
1. WR Zakhari Franklin - UTSA
3. OG Ethan White - UF
4. WR Xzavier Henderson - UF
Not sure what happened with Ethan White. USC coaches said he isn't there due to an injury I think while some USC fans were saying the issue is actually something else. I heard Xavier may be going to Cincy. I doubt White will be back here though.
White and Henderson are both still in the portal, not on another team's roster, so speculation on where they 'might' be going is a non-starter imo....
Would you accept or want either or both of them back to UF's roster?
No I don't want them back (White I normally would but it sounds like something is up with him) and I think once you are in the portal for as long as White your scholarship is dropped unless the team willingly picked it back up again.
Another thread said Henderson has signed with Cincinnati.
