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Murkowski and Collins vote no on Hegseth in test vote, but Pete

I have learned some very important things in my lifetime. Liars are the most untrusting people. Why? Because they feel everyone else lies all the time like they do, so it makes it near impossible for them to be trusting people. I feel that people who use race as a crutch in an argument are the same. THEY are racists, and feel like everyone else is too.
Like most libs, kalim really knows almost nothing about the topics we are discussing. He sees when we are critical of lib, and that upsets him. But he doesn't know enough about the topic to debate it intelligently, so he resorts to personal attack and mistruths in an attempt to deflect us onto yelling about that, instead of staying focused on what lib are doing wrong.
 
@kalimgoodman never realized the obvious: If Lloyd Austin was qualified to be Sec of Defense, then Trump would have hired him.
To further the point: who was worse? Lloyd Austin or Milley?

Milley was far worse. (a bad political hack) Lloyd was (is) congenial, I think generally a good guy, but of course showed horrific judgement when he did not tell Biden that was going under general a.
 
I believe you are confusing or conflating time served or experience with serial incompetence. If you are horrifically bad at a job for a really long time that doesn’t mean you have more experience at it in real terms …
I agree but you guys are conflating politics with competence and you guys are very stubborn about it. It makes the conversation really tough.

Someone can be unsuccessful but qualified.
 
Boom. Not a drop of racism or sexism in any of your comments.

@kalimgoodman - there is your litmus test.
Oh man. I'm always stunned/surprised/shocked but some of you lack of understanding how racism and sexism works. You know that you can be racist towards black people and be black? Same as show sexism to woman and be woman? There were KKK members with black grandchildren lol. There are men that thinks a woman should be kitchen but get excited if their daughter becomes a boss.

You guys liking Donalds or Noem doesn't change anything. People tend to feel different about race/genders to those close to them.

No I'm not accusing anyone of being those things on here. Just a discussion.
 
How so? They literally said that the reason that Kamala lost votes from Black Men, like Kalim, is due to Misogyny.

The view votes left and progressive as does Kalim.

Kalim is claiming the right (this board) are the ones obsessed with race and gender.

When in fact, it is the left, as evidenced by the View.

Ball fielded and tackled on their 10.

First down…
The right overall is 100% obsessed with race/gender/sexuality. Just watch Tucker, Kelly, Fox, OANN, Newsmax, Bannon, etc. Every damn monologue is about DEI, CRT, Trans, gays, etc. Then go watch the left outlets, their monologues are about Trump lol.
 
The right overall is 100% obsessed with race/gender/sexuality. Just watch Tucker, Kelly, Fox, OANN, Newsmax, Bannon, etc. Every damn monologue is about DEI, CRT, Trans, gays, etc. Then go watch the left outlets, their monologues are about Trump lol.
This is like claiming the local news station is obsessed with the weather cause they talk about it every day.
 
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I agree but you guys are conflating politics with competence and you guys are very stubborn about it. It makes the conversation really tough.

Someone can be unsuccessful but qualified.
I think you’re splitting hairs here. I think that someone who is unsuccessful with their job is inherently unqualified.

I can point to examples in my own profession ...
 
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To further the point: who was worse? Lloyd Austin or Milley?

Milley was far worse. (a bad political hack) Lloyd was (is) congenial, I think generally a good guy, but of course showed horrific judgement when he did not tell Biden that was going under general a.
Milley literally contacted the Chinese and told them he will give them advance warning if Trump makes a move against them.

Textbook definition of treason.
 
I agree but you guys are conflating politics with competence and you guys are very stubborn about it. It makes the conversation really tough.

Someone can be unsuccessful but qualified.
Let me clean up what you posted, because AGAIN..you entirely miss the point. Some people can look qualified on paper....but are horrible on the job. They call this the "Peter principal". This above happens frequently when people are promoted for ANY reason OTHER than they were the best candidate for the job. By being promoted becuse of race, religion gender or sexual persuasion instead of by merit. In other words...just about EVERY FJB cabinet member. And the prrof is in how incredibly horrible of a job that he did. See border, and less than 2 weeks later PROBLEM SOLVED
 
I think you’re splitting hairs here. I think that someone who is unsuccessful with their job is inherently unqualified.

I can point to examples in my own profession ...
I think BOTH can be true. My example would be football, you can be unsuccessful at QB but still be considered an NFL QB/player...See Jeff Driskel or Feleipe Franks ;).
 
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Let me clean up what you posted, because AGAIN..you entirely miss the point. Some people can look qualified on paper....but are horrible on the job. They call this the "Peter principal". This above happens frequently when people are promoted for ANY reason OTHER than they were the best candidate for the job. By being promoted becuse of race, religion gender or sexual persuasion instead of by merit. In other words...just about EVERY FJB cabinet member. And the prrof is in how incredibly horrible of a job that he did. See border, and less than 2 weeks later PROBLEM SOLVED
What is the difference between qualified and merits to you? I don't see a difference personally, other than merit being more subjective.
 
I think BOTH can be true. My example would be football, you can be unsuccessful at QB but still be considered an NFL QB/player...See Jeff Driskel or Feleipe Franks ;).
Now we are talking sub categories here. The guys you mentioned are qualified to be NFL backup quarterbacks. They are not qualified to be NFL starters. So as backups yes they are qualified for what is required of starters they are not even close to qualified…
 
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What is the difference between qualified and merits to you? I don't see a difference personally, other than merit being more subjective.
This is REALLY difficult for lefties...so pay attention. Qualified (the way you are manipulating the word) means look at a resume. Merit means they are the BEST person for the job. What you SHOULD have posted is REALITY. Your side promotes on skin color, gender, sexual persuasion. WE believe in promoting THE BEST PERSON qualified.
 
This is REALLY difficult for lefties...so pay attention. Qualified (the way you are manipulating the word) means look at a resume. Merit means they are the BEST person for the job. What you SHOULD have posted is REALITY. Your side promotes on skin color, gender, sexual persuasion. WE believe in promoting THE BEST PERSON qualified.
Let's try to slow walk you here. How do you determine merit?
 
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Now we are talking sub categories here. The guys you mentioned are qualified to be NFL backup quarterbacks. They are not qualified to be NFL starters. So as backups yes they are qualified for what is required of starters they are not even close to qualified…
So someone can be unqualified to be #1 but good enough to be #2? Yet, if some how #1 lets say die, #2 shouldn't take over as #1? i.e the VP? or a backup QB?...That's an interesting take.
 
Those two weren't qualified to be starters in college. 😂
Donald Trump GIF by CBS News
 
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right they take over, but doesn't make them qualified to be a starter. Biden was not qualified to be prez, but he was ...
It's a good convo for sure, Fresno. I still think you guys determine "qualified" and "merits" based on agreeing with their politics when it comes political positions. As for the everyday working man, I have no idea how you guys make that decision. How do you look at 20 resumes and decide whom to interview? then from the interview how do you decide on merits? What if you like the final 3 candidates equal but only have to pick 1?

As a person who actually hires people and I am literally in the process of hiring 3 people right now, I know and understand the process. Most of hiring is really about "gut feeling" and trusting yourself. I've certainly selected people with "worse" resumes than the competition. That's just my 2 cents on hiring.
 
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It's a good convo for sure, Fresno. I still think you guys determine "qualified" and "merits" based on agreeing with their politics when it comes political positions.
That's exactly your position. Add in skin color. Which is precisely what DEI is all about.

People who actually run businesses understand what hiring on merit means.
 
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It's a good convo for sure, Fresno. I still think you guys determine "qualified" and "merits" based on agreeing with their politics when it comes political positions. As for the everyday working man, I have no idea how you guys make that decision. How do you look at 20 resumes and decide whom to interview? then from the interview how do you decide on merits? What if you like the final 3 candidates equal but only have to pick 1?

As a person who actually hires people and I am literally in the process of hiring 3 people right now, I know and understand the process. Most of hiring is really about "gut feeling" and trusting yourself. I've certainly selected people with "worse" resumes than the competition. That's just my 2 cents on hiring.
I hope it works out for you. Now you'll know what it's like when it's your ass if they don't work out or not. Good luck, in all seriousness. I hope you made the best hires possible.
 
I hope it works out for you. Now you'll know what it's like when it's your ass if they don't work out or not. Good luck, in all seriousness. I hope you made the best hires possible.
Thanks, I've been hiring people for almost 10 years now. I have failed and I have some success stories. I just push back on the notion that hiring is so simple and only merits/resumes matter. I truly believe that most of hiring is about "gut feeling" and "fit".
 
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Thanks, I've been hiring people for almost 10 years now. I have failed and I have some success stories. I just push back on the notion that hiring is so simple and only merits/resumes matter. I truly believe that most of hiring is about "gut feeling" and "fit".
You hired based on the qualifications listed in resumes. But you get promoted based on merit, performance on the job. It's easier to judge the latter, and much less risky.
 
And how do you determine success? Based on YOUR opinion?

Some people probably thinks that Austin was successful as a Sec of Def. See how merit is SUBJECTIVE based on YOUR definition?
Success is in the results. For instance...would you consider the withdrawal from Afghanistan a SUCCESS...or a FAILURE? Lets see if YOU can tell the difference, and then explain why? Any day, ANY time...ANY place. You are like playing with a slow 3rd grader because you know ZERO.
 
And how do you determine success? Based on YOUR opinion?

Some people probably thinks that Austin was successful as a Sec of Def. See how merit is SUBJECTIVE based on YOUR definition?
Care to debate that? I would advise that you go outside and practice falling down first..I will eat you alive on this subject. It is subjective to a blithering idiot only.
 
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This is a Owebama / Biden soldier.

Pete needs to rid the military of these soy b$tches what a disgrace

 
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