More Promise of the Up Turn
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And now Stidham passes on a chance to visit Florida because he didn't "click" with the gators staff
We are definitely headed in the right direction
We are definitely headed in the right direction
I totally agree michi, what a bunch of bums they are... 
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Can't recruit at all, obviously, and especially not OL or DL.
2015 Freshman All SEC Team:
LT/LG Martez Ivey 6-5 305
DE/DT CeCe Jefferson 6-1 261
Plus
RT/RG Fred Johnson 6-6 311
C/OG T.J. McCoy 6-1 308
RG/C Tyler Jordan 6-4 309
LB/SS Kylan Johnson 6-1 231
DE Keivonnis Davis 6-4 241
DE Luke Ancrum 6-5 262
LS Ryan Farr 6-0 223 - A Rubio 5 star
2016 Freshman All SEC Team:
RT Jawaan Taylor 6-5 340
DE/DT Jabari Zuniga 6-3 245
Plus
MLB David Reese 6-0 244
CB Chauncey Gardener 5-11 204
DE Anotonneous Clayton 6-3 220
OLB Vosean Joseph 6-1 226
OLB Jeremiah Moon 6-4 218
DT Jachai Polite 6-2 271
2015 Playmakers:
RB Jordan Scarlett 5-10 213 (4.8 ypc)
RB Jordan Cronkrite 5-11 204 (4.5 ypc)
WR Antonio Callaway 5-11 197
TE Camrin Knight 6-3 246
P Tommy Townsend 6-1 195 (Tn xfer to join older brother)
2016 Playmakers:
RB Lamical Perine 5-11 221 (4.8 ypc)
RB Mark Thompson 6-2 237 (4.7 ypc)
WR Tyrie Cleveland 6-2 196
WR Josh Hammond 6-1 186
WR Dre Massey 5-9 180 (Aug ACL)
WR Freddie Swain 6-0 186
K Eddy Pineiro 6-0 173 - 18/22, 3/3 over 50 yds, 100% X-Pts
QB's Franks & Trask,,, who knows??
And in 2017, we'll see how many others from the 2015-16 classes that can step up and play.
Oh btw, 7 of Florida's current 13 commits are Alabama-caliber (offered) players.
~ QB Jake Allen now has a (rivals) 3-star rating, but he will be leading his STA team in the Class 7A FL HS State Championship on Friday against Plant HS from Tampa.
RB Cronkrite is looking for more playing time and intends to xfer out, no surprise there.
RB Malik Davis ****, and also likely is RB Adarius Lemons **** for the 2017 class.
Lemons still has to clear up some academic issues and his off the field problem, but he is expected to get it done and then recommit to UF.
------------- Can't recruit at all, obviously, and especially not OL or DL.
2015 Freshman All SEC Team:
LT/LG Martez Ivey 6-5 305
DE/DT CeCe Jefferson 6-1 261
Plus
RT/RG Fred Johnson 6-6 311
C/OG T.J. McCoy 6-1 308
RG/C Tyler Jordan 6-4 309
LB/SS Kylan Johnson 6-1 231
DE Keivonnis Davis 6-4 241
DE Luke Ancrum 6-5 262
LS Ryan Farr 6-0 223 - A Rubio 5 star
2016 Freshman All SEC Team:
RT Jawaan Taylor 6-5 340
DE/DT Jabari Zuniga 6-3 245
Plus
MLB David Reese 6-0 244
CB Chauncey Gardener 5-11 204
DE Anotonneous Clayton 6-3 220
OLB Vosean Joseph 6-1 226
OLB Jeremiah Moon 6-4 218
DT Jachai Polite 6-2 271
2015 Playmakers:
RB Jordan Scarlett 5-10 213 (4.8 ypc)
RB Jordan Cronkrite 5-11 204 (4.5 ypc)
WR Antonio Callaway 5-11 197
TE Camrin Knight 6-3 246
P Tommy Townsend 6-1 195 (Tn xfer to join older brother)
2016 Playmakers:
RB Lamical Perine 5-11 221 (4.8 ypc)
RB Mark Thompson 6-2 237 (4.7 ypc)
WR Tyrie Cleveland 6-2 196
WR Josh Hammond 6-1 186
WR Dre Massey 5-9 180 (Aug ACL)
WR Freddie Swain 6-0 186
K Eddy Pineiro 6-0 173 - 18/22, 3/3 over 50 yds, 100% X-Pts
QB's Franks & Trask,,, who knows??
And in 2017, we'll see how many others from the 2015-16 classes that can step up and play.
Oh btw, 7 of Florida's current 13 commits are Alabama-caliber (offered) players.
~ QB Jake Allen now has a (rivals) 3-star rating, but he will be leading his STA team in the Class 7A FL HS State Championship on Friday against Plant HS from Tampa.
RB Cronkrite is looking for more playing time and intends to xfer out, no surprise there.
RB Malik Davis ****, and also likely is RB Adarius Lemons **** for the 2017 class.
Lemons still has to clear up some academic issues and his off the field problem, but he is expected to get it done and then recommit to UF.
I totally agree michi, what a bunch of bums they are...
Can't recruit at all, obviously, and especially not OL or DL.
2015 Freshman All SEC Team:
LT/LG Martez Ivey 6-5 305
DE/DT CeCe Jefferson 6-1 261
Plus
RT/RG Fred Johnson 6-6 311
C/OG T.J. McCoy 6-1 308
RG/C Tyler Jordan 6-4 309
LB/SS Kylan Johnson 6-1 231
DE Keivonnis Davis 6-4 241
DE Luke Ancrum 6-5 262
LS Ryan Farr 6-0 223 - A Rubio 5 star
2016 Freshman All SEC Team:
RT Jawaan Taylor 6-5 340
DE/DT Jabari Zuniga 6-3 245
Plus
MLB David Reese 6-0 244
CB Chauncey Gardener 5-11 204
DE Anotonneous Clayton 6-3 220
OLB Vosean Joseph 6-1 226
OLB Jeremiah Moon 6-4 218
DT Jachai Polite 6-2 271
2015 Playmakers:
RB Jordan Scarlett 5-10 213 (4.8 ypc)
RB Jordan Cronkrite 5-11 204 (4.5 ypc)
WR Antonio Callaway 5-11 197
TE Camrin Knight 6-3 246
P Tommy Townsend 6-1 195 (Tn xfer to join older brother)
2016 Playmakers:
RB Lamical Perine 5-11 221 (4.8 ypc)
RB Mark Thompson 6-2 237 (4.7 ypc)
WR Tyrie Cleveland 6-2 196
WR Josh Hammond 6-1 186
WR Dre Massey 5-9 180 (Aug ACL)
WR Freddie Swain 6-0 186
K Eddy Pineiro 6-0 173 - 18/22, 3/3 over 50 yds, 100% X-Pts
QB's Franks & Trask,,, who knows??
And in 2017, we'll see how many others from the 2015-16 classes that can step up and play.
Oh btw, 7 of Florida's current 13 commits are Alabama-caliber (offered) players.
~ QB Jake Allen now has a (rivals) 3-star rating, but he will be leading his STA team in the Class 7A FL HS State Championship on Friday against Plant HS from Tampa.
RB Cronkrite is looking for more playing time and intends to xfer out, no surprise there.
RB Malik Davis ****, and also likely is RB Adarius Lemons **** for the 2017 class.
Lemons still has to clear up some academic issues and his off the field problem, but he is expected to get it done and then recommit to UF.
I don't comment much here but I do read often and man... you are insufferable
We all typically do on 90% of them.If that's the best that you've got when you do comment,
"When a play works, then the coach looks like a genius, but IF it doesn't work, then he's not a very good coach." Steve Spurrier in a post game.
WoW! Now I can see why genius rivals recruiting lowered Jake Allen 6-3 210 down to a 3 star.
After all, he's only just completed his 2nd consecutive FL 7A State Championship by throwing for 329 yards and 5 TD's in the title game. --- 12-2 STA 45 - 6 Plant 13-1
Allen's Sr Season - 62.5% for 1,934 yds, 25 TD's, 6 Ints vs a monster SoS.
One of their 2 losses was @ Las Vegas vs #1 Ranked, 15-0 Bishop Gorman in 3 OT's, 25-24.
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/florida-football/jake-allen-gators-qb-future/
Gator commit, 4 star CB Marco Wilson also leaves HS as a 2016 FL 5A State Champion.
2017 Gator commit Early Enrollees:
OT Kadeem Telfort **** - Miami
TE Kemore Gamble **** - Miami
CB Shawn Davis *** - Miami
Other's that are going to be EE's?
After all, he's only just completed his 2nd consecutive FL 7A State Championship by throwing for 329 yards and 5 TD's in the title game. --- 12-2 STA 45 - 6 Plant 13-1
Allen's Sr Season - 62.5% for 1,934 yds, 25 TD's, 6 Ints vs a monster SoS.
One of their 2 losses was @ Las Vegas vs #1 Ranked, 15-0 Bishop Gorman in 3 OT's, 25-24.
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/florida-football/jake-allen-gators-qb-future/
Gator commit, 4 star CB Marco Wilson also leaves HS as a 2016 FL 5A State Champion.
2017 Gator commit Early Enrollees:
OT Kadeem Telfort **** - Miami
TE Kemore Gamble **** - Miami
CB Shawn Davis *** - Miami
Other's that are going to be EE's?
You guys think jake Allen starts next year?
And I don't have a problem with it because there are a lot of former 3 star recruits in the NFL, but why the hell is he only a 3 star when he plays in one of the toughest classifications in the state of Florida?
And I don't have a problem with it because there are a lot of former 3 star recruits in the NFL, but why the hell is he only a 3 star when he plays in one of the toughest classifications in the state of Florida?
Before the championship game he was averaging ~140 yards passing a game on the most stacked HS team in the country. Tharw kinda bad for a pass first QB. That and he didn't do good at any of the camps or against the better teams they played in the regular season.
I don't know Jake Allen. And I have no idea what his potential may be. But I have seen how this staff "develops" QBs. So I'm not optimistic.
I do however know that Allen had offers from the bottom half of the ACC and schools like Cincinnati, Florida Atlantic and Samford. I know that NOBODY ELSE in the SEC offered him. I know that NONE of the top 25 programs in the country offered him and he plays for maybe the HIGHEST profile high school program in America. So all those top coaches, whose livelihood depends on recruits (particularly QBs), didn't want him. That has to tell you something regardless of star rating.
Again it's not like he's a hidden gem from some podunk HS nobody ever heard of or saw play. He's a known quantity.
I do however know that Allen had offers from the bottom half of the ACC and schools like Cincinnati, Florida Atlantic and Samford. I know that NOBODY ELSE in the SEC offered him. I know that NONE of the top 25 programs in the country offered him and he plays for maybe the HIGHEST profile high school program in America. So all those top coaches, whose livelihood depends on recruits (particularly QBs), didn't want him. That has to tell you something regardless of star rating.
Again it's not like he's a hidden gem from some podunk HS nobody ever heard of or saw play. He's a known quantity.
No - watching tape of him he is usually just hitting easy stuff as that team is loaded and you dont see much at all of him making tight throws where decent defense is being played in the film of the few teams that could match up with them the last 2 years. He is a project at best imo.
Clueless twits as always.....
Jake is only averaging 140 a game because by half time, they are usually up by 3-4 TD's, with Allen having those 140 yds and 3 passing TD's already, so they play the backup the rest of the game.
https://www.seccountry.com/florida/elite-11-coach-trio-of-four-star-wrs-evaluate-florida-qb-commit
Jake was the district MVP at the Miami Elite 11 in the summer after his Jr season.
https://www.seccountry.com/florida/florida-commits-earn-mvp-honors-at-the-opening-regional
The most loaded team in the nation is in Las Vegas, sitting at #1 and 15-0.
STA went out to Vegas early in the season and lost to them by 1 pt. in the 3rd OT.
The usually clueless and/or the Sore-keesters always have something negative to say, especially when they have NO IDEA about much of anything.
And yet NO OTHER top 25 teams offered him. No other SEC teams offered him. Nobody in the top half of the fricken ACC offered him. How do you explain that? Call me clueless if you want, but that doesn't change the facts.Clueless twits as always.....
Jake is only averaging 140 a game because by half time, they are usually up by 3-4 TD's, with Allen having those 140 yds and 3 passing TD's already, so they play the backup the rest of the game.
https://www.seccountry.com/florida/elite-11-coach-trio-of-four-star-wrs-evaluate-florida-qb-commit
Jake was the district MVP at the Miami Elite 11 in the summer after his Jr season.
https://www.seccountry.com/florida/florida-commits-earn-mvp-honors-at-the-opening-regional
The most loaded team in the nation is in Las Vegas, sitting at #1 and 15-0.
STA went out to Vegas early in the season and lost to them by 1 pt. in the 3rd OT.
The usually clueless and/or the Sore-keesters always have something negative to say, especially when they have NO IDEA about much of anything.
You never know but there are 2 games on tape where some decent defense was played and he struggled quite a bit. He needs some work. He may be good to go when its time for him to take over but highly doubt he would be in the mix to start in 2017.
Nope, unless LDR, Franks, and Trask all truly suck and/or get hurt. Allen has potential, but would be a big stretch to come in and unseat three other guys in his first year out of high school. Mac's honeymoon period is slowly ending and it is time for the offense to start showing signs of life...especially if the defense takes a step backward in '17. If Mac goes with a true frosh then he may not be around to see him play beyond his true freshman or sophomore season.
Can't have any talent left, because no Mc-staff coaches can recruit a lick...
When musclecramp got fired, all I heard here was how bad the defense was going to drop off without him.
His last season at UF, the Gators had the #8 in the Nation Total D.
Mc-Collins 1st season installing their new systems at UF.
2015 - #8 Total D, #11 Scoring D.
Okay, so Collins got lucky, but now the D is really going to go down, with all of those players going to the NFL, including 2 in the 1st round.
2016 - #6 in Total D, #10 in Scoring D.
Showing Geoff Collins up as such a poor coach and DC, that Temple has now scarfed him up as their new HC.
That statement is just as true as this one; Oooozzziee is a GREAT, and always positive, Gator Fan....
Addazio was an immediate success in his first season as coach of the Eagles, completing an impressive turnaround from a dismal 2–10 season under Spaziani to a 7–6 campaign and their first bowl appearance since 2010. With his strong and outgoing personality, Addazio facilitated a total culture change in the locker room, on the field, and in the stands. Emphasizing a proud school history and prestige, he motivated and inspired the student-athletes and fans to a degree which had not been seen in years at the Heights. His effect was immediately noticeable, and tangible to the spectators, as the Eagles won their first two games of the 2013 season against the Villanova Wildcats and the Wake Forest Demon Deacons, matching their win total from the previous season. They won their 6th game against the North Carolina State Wolfpack on the final home game of the season, traditionally senior day at most schools, spurring the fans to rush the field to celebrate the team's accomplishment of reaching bowl eligibility. Although the Eagles lost to the Arizona Wildcats in the Independence Bowl, the season was considered a resounding success given the team's immediate turnaround under Addazio.
And BC has been bowl eligible in 3 of his 4 seasons at BC. They had one bad year in 2015, but recovered to be again bowl eligible in 2016.
I don't recall ever calling him a Great coach, but he's certainly proven to be better than average, and for a school like BC, he's been at least a decent HC, cause they haven't fired him yet.
Tell me, since you claim to be such an authority on coaching, at what level do you coach?
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So yes, you do believe Addazio is a great coach. LMAO. Your inability to remove results from coaching acumen marks you as a simpleton. And then in the same breath you'll blame the players for not executing when results aren't there so is it the players or is it the coaching? I can't keep up. Or maybe it's only the players when the results are bad?What does Addazio and Collins have in common? Think about it.
Your reading skills are poor, and your reading comprehension is the worst.
But how about this. Addazio is a multi-millionaire HC, while you are what as a coach? You aren't even a competent coaching critic, much less a good coach.
And now you claim that coaching results don't come into judging a coach? WTF? LMAO
I posted what the #2 WR in the 2016 class said about himself and his Gator teammates concerning Nuss's offense. It's not news that I didn't think that LDR or Happyby were good enough to be the Gator QB. Was I wrong on that?
What do you and a dead rat have in common,,, think about it...
Why,,, lose every game in 2017 of course. Just ask ooozziieee cause he's the board authority on everything, and especially on the chitty Gator coaches...
Your reading skills are poor, and your reading comprehension is the worst.
But how about this. Addazio is a multi-millionaire HC, while you are what as a coach? You aren't even a competent coaching critic, much less a good coach.
And now you claim that coaching results don't come into judging a coach? WTF? LMAO
I posted what the #2 WR in the 2016 class said about himself and his Gator teammates concerning Nuss's offense. It's not news that I didn't think that LDR or Happyby were good enough to be the Gator QB. Was I wrong on that?
What do you and a dead rat have in common,,, think about it...
So yea, your reading comprehension and logic is trash as per usual. You contradicted yourself in your very first post and don't realize it. Thanks for confirming once more you breath through your mouth. At least you know how to use smileys though so you have that going for you.
Why,,, lose every game in 2017 of course. Just ask ooozziieee cause he's the board authority on everything, and especially on the chitty Gator coaches...
No, I just know more than you. I'm sorry that hurts your feelings, deal with it.
I only watched the first half of that Bingham, Utah game and its mostly what I had seen before from Allen. Maybe he does have some good potential but I think people are crazy if they think he could step in and have any success as a true freshman. You just don't see things on tape suggesting that could happen quickly. I would be really surprised if he isn't redshirted next season.
Is he the kid still in high school? I would never want a true freshman starting at qb. Especially not at a high profile school. Dont you have a freshman who is redshirting this year who is supposedly better than appleby?
We have one redshirting that has all the physical tools but in his 19 pass attempts since leaving his high school team he has thrown 5 interceptions.
Mc-Nuss QB's for the 2016 season: LDR + Happyby = co-Clarabels
LDR - 6 starts, 1,358 yds, 8 TD's, 8 Ints
Happyby - 7 starts, 1,225 yds, 8 TD's, 5 Ints.
The Combined Gator QB's Among All 14 SEC Teams:
#14 for PFF QB Ratings 1 > 100 - LDR 56.7 - Happyby 57.4
#13 Interceptions (13)
#10 Yds/Rec 6.7 (mostly dink & dunk junk)
#8 Total Season Passing Yards 2,583
#8 Total Passing TD's (16)
On passes that traveled 20+ Yds in the air, Del Rio completed 5-of-28 (17.9%) for 228 Yd's, 2 TD's, 3 In's. While Appleby was 9-of-26 (34.6%) for 353 Yd's, 2 TD's, 1 Int. (Combined 4 TD's, 4 Int's)
Man, I sure was dumb for suggesting that true Fr Trask should be the 2016 QB....
--- The W/L might not have been any better with Trask, but at least right now we'd have more answers than questions for the coming 2017 season, instead of it being the other way around...
~ That transfer QB 'quick-fix' worked so well in 2016, that they wanted to do it again for 2017.
Thank gawd that Stid-Ham chose to go to the pig-barn instead....
~ McElwain was asked last week how he views Del Rio’s role next fall, and predictably and understandably he was less than clear. --
WoW! More FLASH NEWS that is....
* I know, let's just go ahead and give LDR another shot at being the Gator starting QB. That should really fill the SWAMP up with excited Gator fans all right....
--- Are Jack and Lil' Bill coming back for another chat with Mc?
~ Actually, they should just go ahead and give the starting QB job to Franks, cause I believe that he might be able to throw more Int's in a season than those other 2 Clarabel's did combined (13)....
LDR - 6 starts, 1,358 yds, 8 TD's, 8 Ints
Happyby - 7 starts, 1,225 yds, 8 TD's, 5 Ints.
The Combined Gator QB's Among All 14 SEC Teams:
#14 for PFF QB Ratings 1 > 100 - LDR 56.7 - Happyby 57.4
#13 Interceptions (13)
#10 Yds/Rec 6.7 (mostly dink & dunk junk)
#8 Total Season Passing Yards 2,583
#8 Total Passing TD's (16)
On passes that traveled 20+ Yds in the air, Del Rio completed 5-of-28 (17.9%) for 228 Yd's, 2 TD's, 3 In's. While Appleby was 9-of-26 (34.6%) for 353 Yd's, 2 TD's, 1 Int. (Combined 4 TD's, 4 Int's)
Man, I sure was dumb for suggesting that true Fr Trask should be the 2016 QB....
~ That transfer QB 'quick-fix' worked so well in 2016, that they wanted to do it again for 2017.
Thank gawd that Stid-Ham chose to go to the pig-barn instead....
~ McElwain was asked last week how he views Del Rio’s role next fall, and predictably and understandably he was less than clear. --
WoW! More FLASH NEWS that is....
* I know, let's just go ahead and give LDR another shot at being the Gator starting QB. That should really fill the SWAMP up with excited Gator fans all right....
~ Actually, they should just go ahead and give the starting QB job to Franks, cause I believe that he might be able to throw more Int's in a season than those other 2 Clarabel's did combined (13)....
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As for the Committee RB vs Featured RB in the coming season.
Anyone can go look up the Total Season Rushing Yards stats for both systems in Gator history.
After you've done that, get back to me on which is the most productive way of running the ball.
And finally, tell me which one works best for future recruiting of quality depth at the RB position?
RB's for 2017 will include:
Mark Thompson 6-2 237 Sr - GP 11, 66 for 303 yds, 4.5 ypc, 2 TD's, L-36
Jordan Scarlet 5-10 213 Jr - GP 12, 165 for 811 yds, 4.8 ypc, 6 TD's, L-33 (they gave him the redzone)
Lamical Perine 5-11 221 So - GP 12, 84 for 416 yds, 4.8 ypc, 1 TD, L-59 (best blocker & receiver)
IF, and I say if, you were going to have a 'featured' RB, then Lamical would be my choice, not Jordan. But I still believe that a committee approach is best for a real team with several top quality RB's on roster.
Malik Davis 5-11 190 Fr - Hard Commit
Adarius Lemons 6-1 195 Fr (still possible)
Rivals Recruiting has RB Malik Davis and QB Jake Allen as 3 star rated.
That tells me all I need to know about the 'quality' of the rivals recruit rankings...
Anyone can go look up the Total Season Rushing Yards stats for both systems in Gator history.
After you've done that, get back to me on which is the most productive way of running the ball.
And finally, tell me which one works best for future recruiting of quality depth at the RB position?
RB's for 2017 will include:
Mark Thompson 6-2 237 Sr - GP 11, 66 for 303 yds, 4.5 ypc, 2 TD's, L-36
Jordan Scarlet 5-10 213 Jr - GP 12, 165 for 811 yds, 4.8 ypc, 6 TD's, L-33 (they gave him the redzone)
Lamical Perine 5-11 221 So - GP 12, 84 for 416 yds, 4.8 ypc, 1 TD, L-59 (best blocker & receiver)
IF, and I say if, you were going to have a 'featured' RB, then Lamical would be my choice, not Jordan. But I still believe that a committee approach is best for a real team with several top quality RB's on roster.
Malik Davis 5-11 190 Fr - Hard Commit
Adarius Lemons 6-1 195 Fr (still possible)
Rivals Recruiting has RB Malik Davis and QB Jake Allen as 3 star rated.
That tells me all I need to know about the 'quality' of the rivals recruit rankings...
