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Military chopper crashes into airliner....terrorism or crazy accident?

Orangeclad said:
And you never fail to pass up an opportunity to trash Trump so you're just as guilty of your criticism of Trump. And your statement that "Any decent human being would have at least waited for a full understanding of what happened here" is hilarious. Do you mean like Biden immediately going before the cameras to tell the world that those border agents will "pay" for "whipping" those Haitians coming across, an absolute flat out lie that screwed those agents for which they never even got an apology. So save your sanctimony.
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You're about one more post like this away from being put on Fake Ignore.
 
Do the black boxes of these military copters record their conversations even with all that noise? Curious if the crew chief or other pilot hollered at this pilot before the crash.
 
GatorGray said:
The idea that the helo pilot saw a different aircraft seems to be the most plausible theory at this point. It is easy to do, particularly in a crowded sky.

I did that once, fortunately ATC bailed me out:
ATC: Look for traffic turning base to final, they are No 2
Gray: Traffic in sight
ATC: Follow that traffic, No 3 cleared to land
Gray makes turn, except I had the one ahead of it in sight. Just as I saw the second plane, and before I could react...
ATC: Are you sure you are looking at No 2?
Gray: Just realized that and corrected my turn
ATC: Thought so, follow NUMBER TWO

Even though I said I had traffic in sight, ATC didn't take his eyes off the radar and picked up on it quickly. I would have been on a collision course with that plane.
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Good info Gray. Do you think pilots using visual sighting is the best way to handle this with all the lights in the sky around busy airports?

Obviously we haven't had many mid air issues, so maybe this is just the best method and occasionally an event will occur?
 
Illegal-shift said:
Good info Gray. Do you think pilots using visual sighting is the best way to handle this with all the lights in the sky around busy airports?

Obviously we haven't had many mid air issues, so maybe this is just the best method and occasionally an event will occur?
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I am not a pilot obviously but used night vision a lot in the Army in my younger days and it does seem like a really bad idea to be using that stuff at a busy airport like that. I heard one former copter pilot that flew that area saying if you are going to train that you should at least have a 2nd crew chief aboard so the other side would have been covered also. I guess that would have been their commander's decision.

As far as the ATCs not sure what they can do. I guess maybe have them mention the planes basic location to the aircraft when there is that much traffic going on and the pilot is saying visual. If the copter was too high and close like that maybe order it lower as standard procedure. Not sure how easy it would be to order a copter to do a sudden turn in time if they are visual.
 
This terrible disaster is EXACTLY what our government leaders have built!

Sow the wind & reap the whirlwind!!!!
 
Illegal-shift said:
Good info Gray. Do you think pilots using visual sighting is the best way to handle this with all the lights in the sky around busy airports?

Obviously we haven't had many mid air issues, so maybe this is just the best method and occasionally an event will occur?
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Visual is one of the best and Most used methods. I fly exclusively VFR (visual flight rules). In a crowded airspace, even if ATC is vectorinf everyone around, visual is a critical component of safety.
The real problem is there are humans flying the planes/helos and humans are subject to error. We are not perfect no matter how much the personal injury lawyers tell you otherwise.
 
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