Billy Donovan never reached the elite eight either when he replaced Lon Kruger. Just sayin'....
Mike White to UGA
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Probably not but what was Mike White’s resume when he took the UF job? White hadnt even been to a NCAAT when he got the UF job. And White had also only been a head coach for 3 years. Foley tried to outsmart everybody again and hire a Billy Donovan. White’s Elite 8 just so happens to be 5 years ago at this point mainly with somebody else’s players. He really hasn’t done anything since. Since White has been at UF there has been 5-6 “football” schools that have won a SEC title.
I was just happy he finally beat fsu. 1-6 against those guys...
How much you wanna bet that if he doesnt have an elite 8 its because he hasnt been a HC as long..... or is from a smaller school that doesnt get as much attention or "benefit of the doubt" in the tourney selection process? Just sayin'......
Btw, MW's elite 8 was using BD's recruits. What has MW's recruits done?
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sadgator ain’t arguing it. White leaving likely gives both parties what they wanted. That being said, sadgator won’t be holding his breath until Florida’s next elite eight.
No question having him leave is risky just as having him stay is risky. At least it gives us something to discuss....
I honestly don’t think it is risky at all to be honest. He’s an average coach that won’t win anything here at UF. You don’t keep average unless that is the expectations. Average isn’t the expectations at any sport at UF last time I checked. The SEC has gotten tougher and the so called “football” schools are winning SEC titles as well. If the next guy doesn’t work out you move on from him as well. There is nothing risky about moving on from average IMO.
I don't disagree with that. However, the next guy could set the program even further back. At least with White you were going to get 19-20 wins and a sniff of the tourney. I have to believe Scott had a short list ready
Two new head coaches starting next year in the top two revenue generating sports. If nothing else it should be an interesting year.
You can spin this however you like, and sadgator really is ambivalent about White leaving, but the optics of a coach leaving Florida to go to a rival in-conference school with far less demonstrated success in that sport is not a good thing.
Something is very wrong in our entire athletic program…and they can bring in all the “new” coaches they want every few years in both football and basketball, but sadgator doesn’t think we are trending well at all in either sport.
Something is very wrong in our entire athletic program…and they can bring in all the “new” coaches they want every few years in both football and basketball, but sadgator doesn’t think we are trending well at all in either sport.
Maybe, but candidly the optics are worse for georgia. Most media types are scratching their heads...$1.25m buyout for a coach that has produced mostly average results. Don't go all shime on us 😊
UGA doesn’t GAS about excelling in basketball, they just don’t want to be the laughing stock with a goofy doofus as head coach. Crean had a black hole stare that could suck in unwary planetoids
Paco,
Foley was always trying to show every one how he could find a "hidden gem" among coaches that no other AD could see.
Look at his history of football hires -
Ron Zook-never been a head coach before
Will Muschamp-head coach in waiting - what ever that means; only school to pull that off is FSU
Finally stopped hiring Coordinators & got better results
Urban Meyer - head coach Utah; did well - 2-NC-; but couldn't take the pressure & walked off.
Jim McElwain-Bama Asst; head coach Colorado State-better; but the pressure tore him apart too.
Scott Stricklin - fired Mullen - was needed, but two major coaching hires in one season tough nut to crack !
Early positive signs & hoping for the best with Billy, but no one can read the future, only time will tell.
SEC bball off-season almost resembles football….. 4 schools looking to replace coaches as Frank Martin gets the axe
Huh? Why’s that? This is what Scott Stricklin said about the situation
“Mike White informed me this afternoon that he was accepting another job," Stricklin wrote. "It’s been a pleasure having Mike, Kira and the White family with us in Gainesville, and we wish them well. They are a wonderful family who always represented the Gators in a first-class manner. The search for the next Gator men’s basketball coach has already begun, and I look forward to identifying a leader who will embody the UAA’s vision of providing a championship experience with integrity.”
Now how do you interpret that quote from him? I have my interpretation and it is “see ya later Mike, we aren’t fighting to keep you” Which is exactly how I heard it went down inside the UAA. Stricklin put up “zero” resistance to keep White here. In fact UGA just gave White a get out of jail free card as now he has no buyout and UF got an additional $1.25M. This is exactly the same thing that happened between Texas and Shaka Smart.
I’ve lurked on the Gamecock board from time to time in the past. I’ve seen of their posters hoping that Frank Martin would get canned. Looks like they got their wish lol. Considering that the UGA position has been filled, USC is worst current job opening in the SEC.
They have to pay him something. This article was written when he got a 2 year extension last year says that if he were fired effective April 1, 2022 or any time thereafter, his buyout wouldn't exceed $3 million.
USC's Frank Martin gets a two-year extension, buyout is adjusted
Some of the buyout language has been restructured as Martin enters his 10th year at the helm of the South Carolina program.
www.wltx.com
Time for Stricklin to go shopping.
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The List of Top Quality replacements for chitty Mike (2021-22)
W --- Florida 63 - 62 AU -- Mike White
L - MurraySt 58 - 71 AU -- Matt McMahon
W - Florida 80 - 72 MsSt - Mike White
L - Furman 66 - 69 MsSt - Bob Richey
Jerome Tang - Not even a HC, Baylor Assist.
W ---- Florida 71 - 68 tOSU - Mike White
L - Seton Hall 76 - 79 tOSU - Ken Willard
W - Florida 62 - 57 MS - Mike White
L -- Dayton 68 - 76 MS - Anthony Grant
Mike White- Florida went 19-13, 9-9 in the Lay-O-ed SEC
Kyle Smith - WashSt went 19-14 playing in the LAC-12
W -- UF 61 - 42 VU - Mike White
L - BYU 67 - 69 VU - Mark Pope
At his age and with his past, even Suggesting Rick Pitino for UF is a poor joke imo.
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Yawl have fun now,,, ya hear....
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The List of Top Quality replacements for chitty Mike (2021-22)
W --- Florida 63 - 62 AU -- Mike White
L - MurraySt 58 - 71 AU -- Matt McMahon
W - Florida 80 - 72 MsSt - Mike White
L - Furman 66 - 69 MsSt - Bob Richey
Jerome Tang - Not even a HC, Baylor Assist.
W ---- Florida 71 - 68 tOSU - Mike White
L - Seton Hall 76 - 79 tOSU - Ken Willard
W - Florida 62 - 57 MS - Mike White
L -- Dayton 68 - 76 MS - Anthony Grant
Kyle Smith - WashSt went 19-14 playing in the LAC-12
W -- UF 61 - 42 VU - Mike White
L - BYU 67 - 69 VU - Mark Pope
With his past, even Suggesting Rick Pitino for UF is a poor joke imo.
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Yawl have fun now,,, ya hear....
i agree on Pitino….. he’s damaged goods. I can’t see any good from Rick taking over a major program again
Ocala,
didn't realize he had been there for 10 years. AD either doesn't care about Basket Ball or was afraid to make a decision.
No much to choose from between the two; Frank Martin's record - allowing for a few extra years - very similar to Mike White
More cost efficient exit strategy for Gators.
Martin -
18-13 and 9-9 in the SEC this year
171-147 record since joining the Gamecocks in 2012
White
19-13 and 9-9 in the SEC this year
142-88 record at Florida
didn't realize he had been there for 10 years. AD either doesn't care about Basket Ball or was afraid to make a decision.
No much to choose from between the two; Frank Martin's record - allowing for a few extra years - very similar to Mike White
More cost efficient exit strategy for Gators.
Martin -
18-13 and 9-9 in the SEC this year
171-147 record since joining the Gamecocks in 2012
White
19-13 and 9-9 in the SEC this year
142-88 record at Florida
It is a win-win. Georgia can improve to a consistent 9th in the league, and we can bring in somebody actually good at this.
Outstanding analysis as always! How about these guys as potential replacements?The List of Top Quality replacements for chitty Mike (2021-22)
W --- Florida 63 - 62 AU -- Mike White
L - MurraySt 58 - 71 AU -- Matt McMahon
W - Florida 80 - 72 MsSt - Mike White
L - Furman 66 - 69 MsSt - Bob Richey
Jerome Tang - Not even a HC, Baylor Assist.
W ---- Florida 71 - 68 tOSU - Mike White
L - Seton Hall 76 - 79 tOSU - Ken Willard
W - Florida 62 - 57 MS - Mike White
L -- Dayton 68 - 76 MS - Anthony Grant
Kyle Smith - WashSt went 19-14 playing in the LAC-12
W -- UF 61 - 42 VU - Mike White
L - BYU 67 - 69 VU - Mark Pope
With his past, even Suggesting Rick Pitino for UF is a poor joke imo.
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Yawl have fun now,,, ya hear....
L- Texas Southern 69 UF 54- Mike White
W- BYU 81 Texas Southern 64- Mark Pope
Shall I continue with transitive properties.......
Look, sadgator isn’t arguing that White should have stayed…and the fact that he willingly left makes this entire exercise much easier…
but this topic has some serious ass long-term debate potential…it might rival the Muschamp/Driskel Chicken/Egg debates…
The argument about who got the better of this deal may go on for decades. Heaven help this Board if UGA makes a sweet sixteen before Florida and its future unknown coach do…
If that were to happen, this message board might spontaneously collapse in on itself and bring the entire internet to a halt.
I think it would have to take more than 2 wins in the tourney for there to be a freakout on this board for a FEW members. Imo, it would have to be a final four. Sweet Sixteens are nice and all, but it would equate to winning the regionals in baseball.
For whatever reasons, some coaches cant succeed at a certain school and can succeed at another school. IF MW does succeed at UGA, that doesnt mean he would have ever succeeded at UF.
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Good point. But isn’t it interesting and frustrating that every single coach in either football or basketball other than Steve or Billy since 1990 has left (or been unhired) due to some kind of issue related to pressure or perceived inability to win here.
Florida is like the poster child for that in college sports.
It’s indicative of some systemic problem.
Please just say no to Pitino. I don’t want another NCAA investigation. I like not being investigated. 🤨
White walked into a good situation at Florida. Granted, never easy replacing a legend but the program was 1 year removed from a final 4 and I believe 5 consecutive elite 8s. That's not the case at Georgia. Program is a disaster. Might be just what he needs? But yes, we want to win now and win immediately. But Florida not the only program with that mentality.
With the football program there was something systemic. Several recruits came out openly and said there were problems at UF. One recruit said that he talked to a different position coach more than he could talk to his possible position coach. One recruit said there were problems at UF. There were rumors of favoritism.
With the basketball program, unless something similar comes out in the news, Im not going to accuse the basketball program of having a systemic problem.
A systemic problem would rest on the AD or the HC's shoulders. Considering that Stricklin has a hands off approach with Napier, Sully, and possibly Mullen on not being overly micromanaging....I would like to believe its the same for basketball. I would also like to believe that MW isnt the type of HC to let things run amok.
A big problem that Ive heard for many years, from many sources, and from many backgrounds is that Uf's basketball facilities is sub-par compared to most of the SEC teams. This has to have some affect on recruiting.
If you dont have great recruiting ability, great facilities, and a great play scheme......youre gonna have trouble. It can be argued that UF is 0/3 right now. BD succeeded because they had great recruiting and play schemes.
While UF has struggled to reclaim its earlier success, keep in mind that there are many other programs that care just as much about bb and never came close to UF's success. One example is Tennessee. Dont let anyone tell you they dont care about men's basketball.....they care.....a lot. I would say they care just as much as UF cares about bb, if not more. Yet in tgeir entire history? 1 elite 8.
We spent $65m in 2016 upgrading the O'dome. It's certainly not a top 25 facility, but its not bad
There is not a dimension that exists in which Florida hires Rick Pitino as it’s next head basketball coach.
There are better odds of Florida actually hiring the ghost of Jerry Tarkanian before they would hire Pitino.
Is Muschamp the chicken and driskel the egg or do I have it backwards?
And if youre trying to prove a point.....I dont think its a success. UT has had much less patience with their coaches than UF has had with MW. From around the time BD was hired, UT has gone through 7 coaches.
Only one their coaches has managed to last as long as MW(7years) and that coach has his team as the number 2 seed in the tourney. Where is UF playing?
Maybe instead of criticizing UF for likely considering firing him after 7 years at a sucessful basketball program....maybe you should praise UF for keeping him longer than lesser/nonsuccessful schools keep their coaches.
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Which is nice....but still doesnt automatically make it better than some of the others. Seeing some of the facilities of other teams......yea, they are still ahead.
Not really…just thought it was kind of amusing.
If there is a point, it is that Elite 8’s are super hard to achieve and rare.
It is so amusing to sadgator that most here don’t think White was successful because he only made it to one…and “only” made the tournament every year until this last one…
It’ll be interesting to see how long it takes Florida to earn its next Elite 8.
The “new” Exactech Arena is pretty nice (at least from a fan perspective). The seats have cup holders.
However long it would take to get another elite 8....probably would take even longer with MW at the helm. As i said before, he got that elite 8 with BD's recruits.
Castleton was a rare bright spot in the transfer portal, but it wasnt like there was a lot of high profile competition.....he was averaging 3 points in about 11 minutes as a Sophmore for Michigan.
He certainly bloomed at UF, but considering no other player bloomed like he did.....im not willing to take any credit at all for his success and giving it to others. He deserves the credit. Hes gone this year, btw.
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sadgator actually blames that damn Philandering dude for convincing White to go to UGA…
He spent so much of the season telling everybody how great UGA is….
He spent so much of the season telling everybody how great UGA is….
