Louisville police discriminate against Black people, US Justice Dept says

[RayGravesGhost]

PE was from my school district as an elementary aged tyke but I didn't know any of them

My younger cousin went to the same school and grew up with Busta Rhymes & Leaders of the New School..
They're good friends to this day

 

[RayGravesGhost]

malone is going to declare ALL of these cops democrats too...

Third of officers in an Ohio police department hit with civil rights and abuse charges

More than a third of the East Cleveland, Ohio, police department is now under indictment after prosecutors charged 11 more current and former members of the troubled law enforcement agency with public corruption and civil rights violations, alleging some of their abuse perpetrated on community residents was akin to "torture."

The Cuyahoga County Prosecutor's Office and the Cleveland Division of the FBI announced the new indictments at a news conference and released police body camera footage showing the officers allegedly beating, kicking and stomping community residents, including several who were brutalized after being handcuffed and appearing to comply with officers order to get on their knees.

"The real victim here was the entire city, all the citizens of East Cleveland, who had to live in a city with fear," said Cuyahoga County Prosecutor Michael C. O'Malley.

 

[grandhavendiddy]

I really do not understand the need or mentality to beat someone up once you have them pinned and secured. I truly do not. This anger...this is where racism can absolutely be a factor.

Now, there are sometimes, and the Minneapolis shooting was like this (the woman), where the perpetrator is absolutely putting himself (or herself) and the police person in harms way. It can lead to tragic outcomes, but that is on the individual trying to run from or causing harm to police.

Massive difference between the two scenarios regardless of whether Ben Crump wants another $MM payday for his firm.

 

[EvilWayz]

I really do not understand the need or mentality to beat someone up once you have them pinned and secured.

That's because other than a couple extremely rare circumstances there is no justifiable need.

Generally, using force on a restrained suspect is battery.

 

[BamaFan1137]

Nah....you just don't have a problem with law enforcement violating its oath some of the time against certain people

This is a false statement that you made up based on the voices in your head. Those voices have nothing to do with me. Good luck with them.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

This is a false statement that you made up based on the voices in your head. Those voices have nothing to do with me. Good luck with them.

Part of your problem is you're just unaware how often racism is involved in law enforcement matters

So now every time you post some crap about it being a "false statement" or "voices" I'll post another story of racism in policing

Somehow I don't think I'll run out of material...and then we'll ask you why you're OK with the rights of Americans being trampled on by cops.



https://www.yahoo.com/news/black-mayor-goes-war-top-004823002.html

Black Mayor Goes to War With Top Cop in Former ‘Klantown U.S.A.’​

Eileen Grench
December 24, 2022·12 min read

In 2016, Fate Ferrell stood at the microphone in front of the Bogalusa, Louisiana, city council on the eve of the appointment of a new police chief.

The room was boiling over as residents urged council members not to confirm a longtime officer named Kendall Bullen to the top job. One of the primary grievances was that Bullen had allegedly committed an act of police brutality about 15 years earlier by striking a Black man, Johnny Lee Johnson, in the head with a flashlight. At the time, Bullen denied the allegation, and local media reports suggested it was not substantiated.

Others took to the mic to protest the appointment as the product of a “good ol’ boy system” within the police department.

“If you go ahead and elect Kendall Bullen… you are going to be in big trouble,” Ferrell declared, as first reported by local outlet the Daily News. “And you can believe me or not. But you will be in big trouble.”

Bullen had his backers, too.

“We’re publicly executing a man right here who’s not been given a chance,” Council Member Scott Ard said in defense of Bullen at the time.

Now, the release of horrific video of events preceding the death of Eric Nelson, a Black man, after his arrest by the Bogalusa Police Department last year has reinvigorated opposition to Chief Bullen—and rekindled debate about Bullen’s own alleged police brutality decades ago.

 

[BamaFan1137]

Part of your problem is you're just unaware how often racism is involved in law enforcement matters

Ray, I acknowledged the racism that you are talking about. That's what "somewhere in the middle" meant.

You think it's all or most cops. Some people think it doesn't exist at all. Both groups, yours included, have extremist outlooks on the subject. I stated that THE TRUTH IS SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE.

Somehow those voices in your head equated my comment to mean that racism is ok. It isn't, and I never said it was...you freaking dolt.

Again, racism is real. There are racist cops. It's never ok. There are also racist accountants, plumbers and restaurant servers...it's not ok for them either, regardless of the color of their skin. So take these comments, negotiate them with the voices in your head, and twist them however you like. But if you keep that twisting crap up, I'm done with you.

Is that clear enough for you?

 

[RayGravesGhost]

Ray, I acknowledged the racism that you are talking about. That's what "somewhere in the middle" meant.

You think it's all or most cops.

I have never said that. You keep making up strawman arguments to even have a position to debate.

I have said that law enforcement isn't "allowed" to show any personal bias in their work. You on the other hand have tried to argue for its acceptance.

Except when the LEOs are named Page & Stroczk...then personal bias means the entire federal law enforcement structure of the United States is proven to be corrupt

Some people think it doesn't exist at all. Both groups, yours included, have extremist outlooks on the subject. I stated that THE TRUTH IS SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE.

Who are these people who think it doesn't exist at all?
Are they credible?

Is this another false equivilency like Charlottesville?
"There are good people on both sides..."

Somehow those voices in your head equated my comment to mean that racism is ok. It isn't, and I never said it was...you freaking dolt.

Actually you have a long history of defending racist law enforcement in your posts

And your insistence on not calling it out but trying to defend it is well documented.

You ignore scientific studies, federal & state investigations, criminal convictions, and settled US history to do so.

And your defense is some anonymous people don't believe its true?
So what?

Some people don't believe man landed on the moon either.
Some people don't believe JFK Jr is dead.
And some people don't believe the Civil War was about slavery

Is there a truth somewhere in the middle for them also?

Again, racism is real. There are racist cops. It's never ok. There are also racist accountants, plumbers and restaurant servers...it's not ok for them either, regardless of the color of their skin.

Want to know why racism in law enforcement is unique over any of the other professions you listed?

We give access & permission to use deadly force to law enforcement

If a plumber or restaurant owners is racist they're not legally allowed to kill me

Law enforcement is held to higher standard in our society

So take these comments, negotiate them with the voices in your head, and twist them however you like. But if you keep that twisting crap up, I'm done with you.

Is that clear enough for you?

I've been "done" with you for a long time...but you keep finding you way back on to my threads

Disappear if you like....go away...nobody will miss your ignorance

 

[BamaFan1137]

You on the other hand have tried to argue for its acceptance.

Not one time have I EVER done that. Those are the voices in your head. It's either that or your weak grasp on the English language.

I don't want it accepted and I will never tolerate a racist cop. For example, from day 1 when I saw Chauvin's video, I stated that he must go to jail. I debated that opinion with others on this board.

So take your twisting bullsh1t somewhere else, champ.

 

[BamaFan1137]

Except when the LEOs are named Page & Stroczk...then personal bias means the entire federal law enforcement structure of the United States is proven to be corrupt

Another lie, another twist of my words. There are MANY great federal agents and I've said that many times here.

We have a leadership issue at the FBI and the DOJ. I stated that these people are weaponizing their agencies. A few bad apples.

 

[BamaFan1137]

Who are these people who think it doesn't exist at all?

What are you looking for here? Like names? 😂 You're denying that some people say that this isn't an issue at all? GTFO Ray.

Are they credible?

It seems pretty clear to me that I am saying they are NOT credible. Holy crap man....what is wrong with you?

 

[BamaFan1137]

Actually you have a long history of defending racist law enforcement in your posts

And your insistence on not calling it out but trying to defend it is well documented.

Except that I have done just that...in this very thread. This post from you is in reply to a post from me where I've done just that.

Seek help. I'm done with you. Soon those voices in your head will cause everyone on this board, and all others that you post on, to ignore you...because you are a freaking lunatic who is divorced from reality.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

Not one time have I EVER done that. Those are the voices in your head. It's either that or your weak grasp on the English language.

I would characterize your responses as exactly that...here's one thread example

https://florida.forums.rivals.com/t...leaked-oath-keepers-list.116719/#post-2338449

I don't want it accepted and I will never tolerate a racist cop. For example, from day 1 when I saw Chauvin's video, I stated that he must go to jail. I debated that opinion with others on this board.

So take your twisting bullsh1t somewhere else, champ.

So should any police officer write false trumped up charges to justify a police homicide? (Eric Garner)
Should a12 yr old child be gunned down within 3 seconds for holding a toy gun? (Tamir Rice)
Should a suspect be shot in his back for evading? (Various cases too many to name just one)
Should we ever see a cop planting evidence on a victim he just killed? (Walter Scott)
Should we ever have a entire state LE agency involved in covering up police murders? (Louisiana)


Your "intolerance" of racist police actions leads to a lot of silence on police matters
And when you do comment its almost exclusively in defense of the accused cops

Do you believe all of the associated cops, the ones not directly responsible, in the Memphis, Louisiana, and George Floyd murders should be fired and possibly prosecuted?

 

[RayGravesGhost]

Another lie, another twist of my words. There are MANY great federal agents and I've said that many times here.

We have a leadership issue at the FBI and the DOJ. I stated that these people are weaponizing their agencies. A few bad apples.

Right but the "not so great" ones are only those who don't agree with your political views or seem to threaten your political hopes


Where was your criticism when the FBI & DOJ were going after Clinton?
Was it weaponization then to comment publicly on an investigation just days before an election?

So was it right or wrong to comment on trump's Russia investigation before the 2016 election?

So was it right or wrong to comment on Hunter Biden's investigation before the 2020 election?

Is the Durham investigation a weaponization?

How about trump's use of the IRS to go after McCabe & Comey?

How about trump's weaponization of the DOJ to overturn the 2020 election?
Is it a leadership issue to lie about election interference and install a new AG to carry out the lie?

How about the use of the DOJ to persecute trump's enemies?
(A fact supported by the comments of at least 2 people, the chief of staff & the head of SDNY)


Its seems quite curious to be silent on all of those accusations of weaponization

What did you think of this recent headline that was ignored here?

Funny how the FBI agent running the counterintelligence investigation of trump's Russia investigation is found to be working for the very Russian oligarch named as the contact with the trump campaign manager Manafort huh?

Is it any surprise that we never heard another peep about trump's campaign ties to the Russian government?


https://www.businessinsider.com/bri...onigal-fbi-meeting-russia-surveillance-2023-2

Exclusive: British intel caught FBI spy chief secretly meeting a Russian in London​

Mattathias Schwartz
Feb 16, 2023, 5:00 AM

 

[RayGravesGhost]

Except that I have done just that...in this very thread. This post from you is in reply to a post from me where I've done just that.

Seek help. I'm done with you. Soon those voices in your head will cause everyone on this board, and all others that you post on, to ignore you...because you are a freaking lunatic who is divorced from reality.

THIS is Barney Fife in this very thread..."calling out... not defending racist law enforcement"


What he thinks of merely suggesting the LMPD is racist

View embedded media

Lots of "ifs" and "maybes" for a police department NO ONE disputes has a 200 year history of racism

I guess that's just not enough for Barney...but 2 years of Merrick Garland is plenty

It may be true...I have no intimate knowledge about how LPD operates. That said, I'm unlikely to take that on faith merely because Merrick Garland's DOJ says so.

Maybe LPD has earned this distrust...but I can assure you that Merrick Garland has.

If you want to discuss the errors in the FBI crime database I'm open to that...in another thread

Do you realize how consent decrees work?

They're not imposed upon local authorities....they're entered into both parties.
The DOJ Civil Rights division and the local authorities.

A federal investigation is conducted BEFORE any agreement is even proffered

The investigation results & the decree are overseen by a federal judge

Believing that the "veracity" of a consent decree is based on woke ideology not only shows your the ignorance of the process but your inability to believe in the US legal system, law enforcement, political system or the communities they represent


I'd love for you to explain what "woke" means to you and how it applies here...but who are we kidding, right?

And that proves what, exactly?

If I list FBI crime stats by race, will you accept those facts on face value or will you blame systemic racism or other factors for skewing that data?

Similarly, why are you surprised that others might possibly doubt the veracity of consent decrees based on woke ideology?

There really isn't an acceptable middle ground since the Constitution does allow for partial conformance
US Constitution is pretty much a zero tolerance policy document

You can debate whether or not you think racism exists and in what proportion
But when its found to exist by the legal authorities in charge, in court, the argument is over

Maybe there's some truth to what you're saying??? Maybe it's all horsesh1t??? My personal opinion is that the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/louisville-police-warrants-now-assigned-203639836.html

Louisville police warrants will now be assigned to random judges after scathing DOJ report​

 

[RayGravesGhost]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/responding-receipts-way-forward-louisville-094549311.html
Responding to the receipts: The way forward for the Louisville Metro Police Department
Joel A. Bowman, Sr.
Thu, March 23, 2023 at 5:45 AM EDT·4 min read


What many of us have believed about the Louisville Metro Police Department has been confirmed by the U.S. Department of Justice. We now have the receipts! There is compelling evidence of systemic racism and other forms of discrimination that must be addressed.

The report reads, "For years, [the Louisville police department] has practiced an aggressive style of policing that it deploys selectively, especially against Black people, but also against vulnerable people throughout the city.”

It was found that Black residents are four to five times more likely than white residents to be stopped and cited for traffic violations. It was also found that Black residents were 50% more likely than their white counterparts to be searched. More than 60% of “no-knock” warrants and forced entries into buildings involved African Americans.

Further, U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland spoke of evidence that some LMPD officers referred to Black citizens as “monkeys,” “animal” and “boy.” The dehumanizing treatment of Black citizens by LMPD officers has involved the use of police dogs.

What can and should be done to address the racism that is deeply embedded in the culture of the LMPD? Herein, I propose the following three reforms:

 

[gatordad3]