It is time, FSU---Basketball edition

[instaGATOR]

Thanks for the info, no I didn't go in depth and read everything that's available.

However, IF that 3 point shot had fallen for the win, not a set 2 pt play to put in into OT? What would you have said then,,, and try to be honest, at least with yourself?
(no guarantee that a set 2 pt play would have worked with 4 seconds left on the clock)
(no guarantee that someone else would have stopped FSU from making a basket, by that guy, or by someone else leaving no time on the clock) jus-sayin'

 

[MJWilliamson]

My apologies. I thought you went to a school in Iowa and became a Gator fan.

Partially true.

I grew up in Daytona Beach. As a Gator fan. Farted around a few years after HS, trying to "find myself." Decided to go to college and got a physics degree in Iowa. Worked as an oil field engineer for a company called Schlumberger for a few years. Made a bunch of money but hated the job. Saved a bunch too, so I went off to grad school at Florida for an MBA in finance. After graduation, I worked in banking until I retired.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Thanks for the info, no I didn't go in depth and read everything that's available.

However, IF that 3 point shot had fallen for the win, not a set 2 pt play to put in into OT? What would you have said then,,, and try to be honest, at least with yourself?
(no guarantee that a set 2 pt play would have worked with 4 seconds left on the clock)
(no guarantee that someone else would have stopped FSU from making a basket, by that guy, or by someone else leaving no time on the clock) jus-sayin'

I would have said we got damn lucky to win the game and would still have been critical of him having Hill guarding FSU's best player.

 

[MJWilliamson]

From the Sun:

Florida tied the score at 71 on an inside layup by senior forward Dorian Finney-Smith with 17.4 seconds left and could have forced overtime with a final stop. Out of a timeout, the Gators had 6-foot-1 guard Kasey Hill guarding Bacon.

White said he contemplated subbing someone bigger to guard Bacon (6-6 defensive specialist DeVon Walker was available off the bench), but opted to keep his three undersized guards (Hill, 6-2 Allen and 6-foot Chiozza) on the floor.

“We decided against (substituting),” White said. “A couple of guys that we had in mind, potentially, hadn’t played for a few minutes and didn’t want to put a stiff guy out there. I liked the lineup that was in and then I liked them offensively and in offensive transition if we were able to get a stop.”

Bacon was able to shake Hill off the dribble and set up an open look.

“We forced a pull-up jumper,” White said. “I wish it was obviously a little more contested, that we made it a little more difficult on him. He stepped up and made another huge play.”
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and

After Bacon’s shot, White decided not to call a timeout because he didn’t want FSU to set up its defense.

“We’ve drilled it,” White said. “Our guards know, with four seconds plus, you’ve got four dribbles. We talked about just get it to the rim. They’re in a position where they were just trying not to foul, that’s what we’d tell our guys. I thought they just did a good job of walling Chris off, leveling him off and forcing him to the sideline.”
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Like I wrote earlier; poor decisions

 

[instaGATOR]

I would have still been critical of him.

Okay, so now I know where you're coming from. We are all allowed our own opinions.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Bad coaching with lucky results is still bad coaching. See Muschamp, circa 2012.

 

[Countygator]

White made some poor decisions in that game for sure. He finally got the kids to play with some energy and I love how they fought to get back into the game. We shall see as the season unfolds. He better hit the recruiting trail a little harder....

 

[instaGATOR]

Bad coaching with lucky results is still bad coaching. See Muschamp, circa 2012.

And along with that go review what SOS said about 'bad play calling' on game days....

 

[instaGATOR]

BillyD's last 2 Five Star MickyD AA's were:
PG Kasey Hill and PF Chris 'Sky' Walker
(happy with how they've worked out are you?)
BillyD's last (2015) class was 3 Four Stars and a 3 Star.

White kept the best 3 of those 4 imo, plus he added a JuCo and a decent WO for depth.

I don't know how White's first full class will end up, but I'm okay with the 2 commits that he has so far.

 

[MJWilliamson]

White made some poor decisions in that game for sure. He finally got the kids to play with some energy and I love how they fought to get back into the game. We shall see as the season unfolds. He better hit the recruiting trail a little harder....

I agree with all of this.

I was afraid they would fold, after getting down by what, 15 points. To to the team's credit, and White's credit, they did not and made a game of it. Or at least Allen did for 15 minutes and DFS did for about a minute.

 

[instaGATOR]

They lost by 2 pts while missing at least 10 FT's,,,, terrible coaching cost us that game...

 

[Countygator]

They lost by 2 pts while missing at least 10 FT's,,,, terrible coaching cost us that game...

I get your point, but we've sucked all year at the charity stripe and behind the arc. So why would we draw up a last play that called for a 3pt shot? Also, he should have made a defensive sub and got somebody bigger on Bacon.

 

[instaGATOR]

I get your point, but we've sucked all year at the charity stripe and behind the arc. So why would we draw up a last play that called for a 3pt shot? Also, he should have made a defensive sub and got somebody bigger on Bacon.

There is no butt point to get, just the cold hard missed FT's stats in that game.

They are #14 in the SEC in all three shooting % stats, Floor, FT's, 3 Pt.
Therefore, a set 2 pt play was certainly not a guarantee of making a basket, especially with only 4 seconds left on the clock with the entire floor to cover.
What coaching technique should White use to make the balls go in the basket?

Did Walker stop anyone from making a shot or a basket the entire game?
And Hill at 6-1 can DUNK the ball, just like Walker can. I don't think that either of them was going to stop the shot that was taken, but we'll never know now.

I don't know if White designated who was to take the shot, but if he chose, then that was a mistake imo. I (knowing squat) would have had my 'hot' hand shoot that ball. In this case, Allen, but with 4 seconds on the clock, there might not have been time to get the shot off if a pass was included, and even then, Allen or DF-S could either one have missed it also.

I've got a trend for you guys to think about:

11-22-15 Lost by -15
12-8-15 Lost by -11
12-12-15 Lost by -6
12-29-15 Lost by -2

 

[46885]

Sincerely hoping no one in this thread has a family member with DS.
You're a peach.

oh you found a way to take this as offensive... poor you

 

[instaGATOR]

Bad coaching with lucky results is still bad coaching. See Muschamp, circa 2012.

2012
UF 20 - 17 @ aTm +3
UF 14 - 6 LSU +8
UF 14 - 7 Miz +7
UF 27 - 20 LaLaf +7
Lucky to win those 4 by single digits, and proving that no Muschamp team could ever score points, (18.5 ppg average)

However, also in 2012:
UF 37 - 20 @ Tenn +17
UF 38 - 0 UK +38
UF 31 - 17 @ VU +14
UF 44 - 11 SCa +33
UF 37 - 26 @ FSU +11
But let's not think about the games that don't fit our opinions, (37.4 ppg vs 4 SECe teams plus FSU)
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In 2014 - Luck (bad) can bite you in the butt. The difference between going 7-5 and 10-2 is a wee bit-o-luck. At 10-2 WM would still be the Gator HBC.
2014
UF 27 - 30 LSU -3
UF 20 - 23 SCa -3
UF 19 - 24 @ FSU -5
Lost those 3 games by a total of 11 pts.


Oh BTW, I'd rather be Lucky than good any day.
Lucky and you win.
Just good, and you can still lose...

FYI -- In Spurrier's 11 seasons, he only had 3 seasons with 11+ wins.

I'd probably have given WM another year with a 2nd year for the OC, but after seeing Mc-staff, I'm just as glad that he's moved on. And I really do hope that he doesn't 'Get it Together' at SCa....

 

[Scalp'em Nole]

FSU dominated the entire game. gators were lucky to even been in it. Would have been a major upset if you won.

 

[ocalaman]

Billy D had to learn to be a better in-game decision maker in his time with the Gators. Mike White has this group playing extremely hard, but the fact is that Donovan missed out on some recruits not being as good as projected (Hill & Walker, being the latest). This team simply can't shoot the ball with any type of consistency. Allen's coming out party was very impressive, but when you're last in the conference in free throw percentage and field goal percentage, you're simply not going to win many close games, nor are you going to beat Top 20 teams.

 

[domgator]

FSU dominated the entire game. gators were lucky to even been in it. Would have been a major upset if you won.

So if the #8 ranked RPI team that was favored beat the #140 something ranked RPI team it would have been a major upset? Interesting. Never knew that is how that worked. Regardless, after FSU goes 8-10 in the ACC perhaps we can have a rematch in the NIT.

 

[Countygator]

There is no butt point to get, just the cold hard missed FT's stats in that game.

They are #14 in the SEC in all three shooting % stats, Floor, FT's, 3 Pt.
Therefore, a set 2 pt play was certainly not a guarantee of making a basket, especially with only 4 seconds left on the clock with the entire floor to cover.
What coaching technique should White use to make the balls go in the basket?

Did Walker stop anyone from making a shot or a basket the entire game?
And Hill at 6-1 can DUNK the ball, just like Walker can. I don't think that either of them was going to stop the shot that was taken, but we'll never know now.

I don't know if White designated who was to take the shot, but if he chose, then that was a mistake imo. I (knowing squat) would have had my 'hot' hand shoot that ball. In this case, Allen, but with 4 seconds on the clock, there might not have been time to get the shot off if a pass was included, and even then, Allen or DF-S could either one have missed it also.

I've got a trend for you guys to think about:

11-22-15 Lost by -15
12-8-15 Lost by -11
12-12-15 Lost by -6
12-29-15 Lost by -2

I'm not talking about the play with 4 seconds left, I am talking about our offensive series just before that. We came out of a timeout and White drew up a 3 point shot for Allen. That was not smart. And

There is no butt point to get, just the cold hard missed FT's stats in that game.

They are #14 in the SEC in all three shooting % stats, Floor, FT's, 3 Pt.
Therefore, a set 2 pt play was certainly not a guarantee of making a basket, especially with only 4 seconds left on the clock with the entire floor to cover.
What coaching technique should White use to make the balls go in the basket?

Did Walker stop anyone from making a shot or a basket the entire game?
And Hill at 6-1 can DUNK the ball, just like Walker can. I don't think that either of them was going to stop the shot that was taken, but we'll never know now.

I don't know if White designated who was to take the shot, but if he chose, then that was a mistake imo. I (knowing squat) would have had my 'hot' hand shoot that ball. In this case, Allen, but with 4 seconds on the clock, there might not have been time to get the shot off if a pass was included, and even then, Allen or DF-S could either one have missed it also.

I've got a trend for you guys to think about:

11-22-15 Lost by -15
12-8-15 Lost by -11
12-12-15 Lost by -6
12-29-15 Lost by -2

I'm not talking about the scramble with 4 seconds left, I am talking about the offensive possession before that where we drew up the 3 point play for Allen. Not smart. And to not put somebody bigger on Bacon, not smart again. You can speculate all you want, but the FACT is neither worked for us.

 

[MJWilliamson]

FSU dominated the entire game. gators were lucky to even been in it. Would have been a major upset if you won.

Upset? We were favored.

But yes, given the way the game went, it would have been a lucky comeback.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Billy D had to learn to be a better in-game decision maker in his time with the Gators. Mike White has this group playing extremely hard, but the fact is that Donovan missed out on some recruits not being as good as projected (Hill & Walker, being the latest). This team simply can't shoot the ball with any type of consistency. Allen's coming out party was very impressive, but when you're last in the conference in free throw percentage and field goal percentage, you're simply not going to win many close games, nor are you going to beat Top 20 teams.

Overall agree. But the Florida program now is in a different place that it was in 1998 when Billy took over. Plus White has a bit more experience than Billy had.

I expected a bit better, but am not willing to hit the panic button

 

[MJWilliamson]

I'm not talking about the play with 4 seconds left, I am talking about our offensive series just before that. We came out of a timeout and White drew up a 3 point shot for Allen. That was not smart. And

I'm not talking about the scramble with 4 seconds left, I am talking about the offensive possession before that where we drew up the 3 point play for Allen. Not smart. And to not put somebody bigger on Bacon, not smart again. You can speculate all you want, but the FACT is neither worked for us.

Insta will argue with a stump about anything.

 

[PacoGator19]

I have mixed feelings on Mike White. I'm going to give him a little bit of time before I really evaluate what he is doing. The big issues we have right now are the exact same issues we had last year and would be the same issues even if Billy D was coaching this team. We can't shoot FTs or 3pters and our PG play is awful. I think Billy saw this as well and it was one reason why he went ahead and took an NBA job. Billy D signed tons of big time talent during his time here at UF. Chris Walker and Kasey Hill are probably the two biggest busts Billy D ever signed since they were supposed 5* talent.

 

[GatorGray]

in 1998 when Billy took over

1996

 

[MJWilliamson]

1996

Yep

 

[Scalp'em Nole]

Upset? We were favored.

But yes, given the way the game went, it would have been a lucky comeback.

ok ok I admit it, I never watched the game. lol Man can't even instigate

 

[MJWilliamson]

ok ok I admit it, I never watched the game. lol Man can't even instigate

An honest Nole?

Will wonders never cease?

 

[instaGATOR]

"You can speculate all you want, but the FACT is neither worked for us." -- Countrygator

Yep, and you can make any un-professional claims that YOU want to, doesn't make them correct. And IF you actually KNEW what you were talking about, then why are you NOT the Gator coach?

Looking at who the only player on the team that was actually MAKING his shots, Allen for 3 looked like a very good option to me.
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"Insta will argue with a stump about anything." MJ-W

Untrue, how many threads am I currently posting on?
But a thread-Ho will make snide/snotty comments about others, that are of ZERO value to a thread.
That would be you in this case....

A skunk sat on a stump.
The skunk thunked that the stump stunk,
and the stump thunked that the skunk stunk.
(hey pot, say that 3x's fast, the kettle will wait)
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PS -- Honest nole? HAS to be an oxymoron....

 

[MJWilliamson]

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"Insta will argue with a stump about anything." MJ-W

Untrue, how many threads am I currently posting on?

Your honor, I present this post as exhibit "A"

 

[GatorGray]

Your honor, I present this post as exhibit "A"

Actually, that would be Exhibit B. His screen name is Exhibit A.

 

[instaGATOR]

Butt Buddies seem to always do for each other,,, neither with a regular clue.
(instant GATOR, not that other guy, the instigator)

But hey, I will sometimes argue with the moe-rons, just for my own cheap entertainment.
Two more seem to qualify for the IGNORE option, so maybe I'll soon be adding to my dweeb IGNORE list. (no biggie for any of us)