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Israel is bombing Iran...

Not sure what the deal was with him but I remember him arguing Carter was more for the working man and Reagan was for the rich. I think he was trying to act like Carter being weak didn't cause that hostage situation. Not sure if he would be a crazy lefty if alive today or not as most of those people hid their more extreme views apparently back then. Maybe he was like those former Dems that turned to Trump in 2016. Not really sure.
My grandfather was pro-life and Carter was the last one he voted for. He sat out the next 2 and passed before H lost to Clinton. He had more in common with Reagan socially but he despised republicans and would never vote for one. Fiscally he was a socialist lite FDR guy but an evangelical social conservative.

I was arguing with him about the pro-choicers and that is when I found out he was sitting out the presidential elections rather than vote pub. My GGdad was pub , my father is an independent who votes pub and I am a Reagan conservative who votes pub.

My grandmother voted for H in his loss to Clinton. I doubt that happens if my grandfather was still alive.

"I don't know what happened to Al Gore he used to be a good democrat" -said my pro-life grandmother about Gore's switch to pro-choice after choosing to run with Clinton.
 
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I am strongly against any invasion or occupation of Iran. I tend to think that if we think we can hit the main nuke sites with the bunker busters, then we should and be done with it…. Nothing more, nothing less. I’m skeptical of regime change, but I am open to the idea. I wonder who fills the power vacuum. However, I view Russia as a rational actor while I think Iran are violent religious fanatics.
This^^^ It will not be a war...Iran cannot fight a war now, Israel has defanged them. We HAVE to make sure they cannot in ANY way, shape or form get a nuclear weapon.
 
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Highly doubt 10 bucks a gallon but if Iran does end up mining the Strait of Hormuz it would be a big headache to make it safe for shipping again. I think we need to be proactive and take out ships and submarines once they start mining and not wait until they get the place saturated.
This should be met with unrestrained violent aggression. Sink every naval vessel, kill every Iranian sailor.
 
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Ted Cruz ( and anyone else) should know the internal dynamics of a culture before supporting toppling a regime and bringing in chaos.
Oh if only Carter had your wisdom in 1979 LOL.

Now Ted is on committees where he sees info that you. I and Chatsworth will never know. I doubt they are briefing him on the population of Iran. Or on how many allowite, kurds turks, arabs, bahais, Zoroastrians and Christians are mixed in with the dominant 12ver Shia nutjobs that run the place.

Now if you want to nation build you might want to study that but regime change in and of itself? Nope don't care. The 12vers have apocalyptic eschatology wherein their Mahdi fights the Dajjal (a Dan Crenshaw type figure) at the end of days. Nuking the world to bring about his revelation ( he is in occultation in a cave somewhere) is perfectly sane thinking for them.

So the Colin Powell doctrine can kiss my arse. We don't have to own anything. Break it and let them figure out, chaos and all on, how they will govern themselves. If we don't like it, we can break them again. They like 7th century living so I say give it to them.

BTW I do not support boots on the ground in this instance. Unfortunately we follow rules of war and we have seen that movie before (Afghanistan).
 
My grandfather was pro-life and Carter was the last one he voted for. He sat out the next 2 and passed before H lost to Clinton. He had more in common with Reagan socially but he despised republicans and would never vote for one. Fiscally he was a socialist lite FDR guy but an evangelical social conservative.

I was arguing with him about the pro-choicers and that is when I found out he was sitting out the presidential elections rather than vote pub. My GGdad was pub , my father is an independent who votes pub and I am a Reagan conservative who votes pub.

My grandmother voted for H in his loss to Clinton. I doubt that happens if my grandfather was still alive.

"I don't know what happened to Al Gore he used to be a good democrat" -said my pro-life grandmother about Gore's switch to pro-choice after choosing to run with Clinton.
What punitive steps do you think we should take against gold for challenging the dollar? Bomb Fort Knox?

 
Since Trump does all your guys’ thinking for you (or at least you accept his tweets as substitutes for independent thought) let’s check in on how he thought Obama was handling Iran:




Hey wait, I think he was right!
I see you let Maizie Hirono handle your thinking.

 


So I don’t know anything about Charlie Kirk, but he strikes me as someone who you all may let do your thinking for you.

Is this why this thread is dying because the MAGA influencers are now saying what I’ve been saying throughout this thread, so now you all have to stand down? Sad!
No, it's because you have almost no credibility and people are tired of your ridiculousness so they are not engaging it.

I promise you it's nothing more than that or less ...
 
Mmmm yes, the bunker busters should put this thing to bed.
You libs are why Iran is where they are today. FJB removed their proxies from the terror list. They took off the crippling sanctions after Trump had them BROKE. REAL Americans( our GREAT President) will put them out of business...VERY, VERY soon. Please stay away from discussing things like guns and war...you know ZERO about either...like ALL libs.
 
I saw some polling that indicated that over 70% of Americans agreed that we should prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY
THIS is accurate....Brads came from MSNBC or CNN, so it is FAKE NEWS. Best to ignore him...he is one of those libs Reagan described. NOT a liar...just knows SO MUCH that is not true.
 
THIS is accurate....Brads came from MSNBC or CNN, so it is FAKE NEWS. Best to ignore him...he is one of those libs Reagan described. NOT a liar...just knows SO MUCH that is not true.
I think the disconnect is that of the 70% that think we should do anything to prevent Iran from getting a nuke, there is division on how close they are and whether it justifies immediate action. To be honest, I’m not sure if I believe the whole they are weeks away thing. They have been saying this for a long time. I’m for the bunker busters and no more.
 
I think the disconnect is that of the 70% that think we should do anything to prevent Iran from getting a nuke, there is division on how close they are and whether it justifies immediate action. To be honest, I’m not sure if I believe the whole they are weeks away thing. They have been saying this for a long time. I’m for the bunker busters and no more.
They are proposing it like we are going to war. Iran is VERY defanged right now. There will be nothing from them but bluster, some rockets, and after we bomb that place...their regime will crumble
 
I think the disconnect is that of the 70% that think we should do anything to prevent Iran from getting a nuke, there is division on how close they are and whether it justifies immediate action. To be honest, I’m not sure if I believe the whole they are weeks away thing. They have been saying this for a long time. I’m for the bunker busters and no more.
Me too, and I am quite sure that is all it will be. However.....I AM for taking this place out ANY means necessary. All of the people against it have NO PLAN for stopping Irans nuclear ambition. They have attacked and killed our people since 1979...I am TIRED of their chit. Time to end them once and for all. The Mideast has already changed....except for Iran.
 


So I don’t know anything about Charlie Kirk, but he strikes me as someone who you all may let do your thinking for you.

Is this why this thread is dying because the MAGA influencers are now saying what I’ve been saying throughout this thread, so now you all have to stand down? Sad!
I think what you are seeing is a diversity of thought on the right wing. Despite all the BS about MAGA being a cult, it is very clear that we are allowed to hold divergent thoughts and actually speak them out loud. This pretty much puts the whole right wing is a cult stuff to bed.
 
Me too, and I am quite sure that is all it will be. However.....I AM for taking this place out ANY means necessary. All of the people against it have NO PLAN for stopping Irans nuclear ambition. They have attacked and killed our people since 1979...I am TIRED of their chit. Time to end them once and for all. The Mideast has already changed....except for Iran.
This.

We've been negotiating when them for a long time, and they just got caught lying about their enrichment operations. Apparently they have enough weapons grade uranium to build 9 warheads, and Trump said yesterday they are "weeks" from having them ready to use. That's why he is refusing their invite to return to the negotiating table, they just needed to buy a little more time so they can return to the plan of turning Tel Aviv into glass.

And we all know that would spark a much, much bigger conflict. Potential end game scenario.

There's only one way to handle this at this point. I hate it but Trump's back is against the wall. Peace through strength doesn't work with suicidal religious maniacs.
 
So did Iran finally fire a couple of hypersonic missiles? Curious how many they have if they did and if they are accurate at all. If they are about the same as Russian ones it's almost impossible to shoot them down.
 
Bros been killing each other for thousands of years. Abraham came from Ur of the Chaldees in modern day Iraq between modern day Israel and Iran. Jews descend from his wife's son Isaac. Arabs descend from his bond woman's son Ishmael. Same stuff, different day. Saved Christians are of the seed of Abraham spiritually. God, Jesus, Holy Spirit love all of us and that's all that matters in the grand scheme of things.
 
Apparently they want regime change.

But I'm with you, that shouldn't be our call. A stable Iran is better, and our track record with regime change sucks.
It seems they do, it wont last unless the Iranian people get to pick the guy or gal they want. And that won't happen. The rest of the world will install someone who they feel they can control.
 
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