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Inflation soars to 40 year high. God bless President Biden my ass.

And even with that, there are half empty shelves for some things at the grocery store.
Old Squint Eyes is really on another planet.
Yesterday the Fed chair talked about CONTINUING supply chain problems and noted the back log of ships still sitting out in the water. I think this boob or vegetable of a president should be called President Nero or Baghdad Bob.
 
Remember kids, high prices, bare shelves, that means we are living in a ROBUST ECONOMY.

Or 1980s Moscow. @CFAGator didn't clarify.
Do you seriously not understand the correlation between inflation and economic growth? When we get the GDP data on the 27th, GDP growth (net of inflation for those that still don't understand the concept) will be above 5% for 2021, the highest growth rate since 1984.

Consumer spending is currently about 20% above pre-pandemic levels, then throw supply chains issues from Covid, of course we have high inflation as demand is at highs while supply of goods continues to be too low to meet the surge in demand.

You keep saying the economy is terrible without any type of data or link to any information at all to back up your claim.
 
Consumer spending is currently about 20% above pre-pandemic levels, then throw supply chains issues from Covid, of course we have high inflation as demand is at highs while supply of goods continues to be too low to meet the surge in demand.
Just wait until all of the Biden Bucks from covid stimulus runs out. That's why the commiecrats are so desperate to pass BBB (build back broke). We are running on fiat money and that's about to run out. :oops:
 
Do you seriously not understand the correlation between inflation and economic growth? When we get the GDP data on the 27th, GDP growth (net of inflation for those that still don't understand the concept) will be above 5% for 2021, the highest growth rate since 1984.

Consumer spending is currently about 20% above pre-pandemic levels, then throw supply chains issues from Covid, of course we have high inflation as demand is at highs while supply of goods continues to be too low to meet the surge in demand.

You keep saying the economy is terrible without any type of data or link to any information at all to back up your claim.
You're not totally wrong here but the policy from the Executive branch is making the whole situation worse.

We're still paying people to sit at home with stimulus money. People at a certain middle class income range are still getting monthly checks per kid, most don't need it. I saw yesterday the child tax credit was doubled. The insane problems at the ports are not being addressed.

You have more dollars chasing fewer products (as well as less labor to fill greater production needs) and the policies that are fanning the flames are not being addressed.

I see it everyday with my own eyes - my company (we produce outdoor living products) has been shutting production lines down for over a year because we can't find employees. We've been oversold for 3 years, just built a $200MM facility and lines are idle. We are starting line operators at $22/hr full benefits day 1 and can't retain even close to enough people. Last weekend I was supposed to make hamburgers and my wife couldn't buy buns or lettuce, the shelves were completely bare. I haven't seen Woodford Reserve on shelf in 4 months in the State-run liquor stores. I know these are first world problems, but effective leadership would mitigate alot of this.

I saw an analysis from Vermont that calculated if you make less than $53k per year it doesn't make sense to work. That's insane.
 
You're not totally wrong here but the policy from the Executive branch is making the whole situation worse.

We're still paying people to sit at home with stimulus money. People at a certain middle class income range are still getting monthly checks per kid, most don't need it. I saw yesterday the child tax credit was doubled. The insane problems at the ports are not being addressed.

You have more dollars chasing fewer products (as well as less labor to fill greater production needs) and the policies that are fanning the flames are not being addressed.

I see it everyday with my own eyes - my company (we produce outdoor living products) has been shutting production lines down for over a year because we can't find employees. We've been oversold for 3 years, just built a $200MM facility and lines are idle. We are starting line operators at $22/hr full benefits day 1 and can't retain even close to enough people. Last weekend I was supposed to make hamburgers and my wife couldn't buy buns or lettuce, the shelves were completely bare. I haven't seen Woodford Reserve on shelf in 4 months in the State-run liquor stores. I know these are first world problems, but effective leadership would mitigate alot of this.

I saw an analysis from Vermont that calculated if you make less than $53k per year it doesn't make sense to work. That's insane.
Purely anecdotal evidence. You not taking CFA's propaganda source's word for it? 🤣
 
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Not sure why someone would call them "Biden Bucks", when stimulus checks under Trump were $1800 ($1200 in April, $600 in Dec) and $1400 under Biden (March).

So stimulus checks stopped in March, and enhanced unemployment benefits stopped in July.

As far as the child tax credit, it was increased from $1000 to $2000 in Trumps 2018 tax plan, and increased from $2000 to $3000 under Biden last year. They just pay it out monthly now instead of getting it all at once when you file your taxes, though I believe the monthly payments stopped at year-end.

No doubt this extra cash has helped consumer spending, I just laugh when one party points the finger at the other when they're both responsible.
 
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No doubt this extra cash has helped consumer spending, I just laugh when one party points the finger at the other when they're both responsible.
It's JANUARY. The music just stopped. Soon they'll be looking for a chair to sit in, minus quite a few chairs. People stopped working when they were getting paid to do nothing. Give it time. One more time, this is why Brandon is so desperate to Build Back Broke.
 
You buy groceries (when available) with your investment portfolio?

Unrealized gains are just that.
LOL. Are you really trying to teach me about investing, marketing boy?

Stock market up 28%. Inflation up 7%. You do the math.
 
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Do you seriously not understand the correlation between inflation and economic growth? When we get the GDP data on the 27th, GDP growth (net of inflation for those that still don't understand the concept) will be above 5% for 2021, the highest growth rate since 1984.
And that's because we shut down the country in 2020.

I refuse to believe you are this stupid. This has to be partisan trolling.

GDP for 2021 should easily be double digits coming off the economy being closed in 2020. The fact that you are bragging about 5% is amazing to me.

High prices and empty shelves are not signs of a booming economy. The poor in Caracas and Kiev know exactly what it means.
 
GDP for 2021 should easily be double digits coming off the economy being closed in 2020. The fact that you are bragging about 5% is amazing to me.
High prices and empty shelves are not signs of a booming economy. The poor in Caracas and Kiev know exactly what it means.
Replace the face of Simon Bolivar and we're on our way!! :mad:

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And that's because we shut down the country in 2020.

I refuse to believe you are this stupid. This has to be partisan trolling.

GDP for 2021 should easily be double digits coming off the economy being closed in 2020. The fact that you are bragging about 5% is amazing to me.

High prices and empty shelves are not signs of a booming economy. The poor in Caracas and Kiev know exactly what it means.
You are embarrassing yourself again. You always respond to me that the economy was shut down in 2020, ignoring when I reply that the economy only declined 2.3% in 2020, and produced $20.9 trillion of good and services in the US.
Just because you couldn't get into your favorite Applebees for a couple months doesn't mean the economy shut down. The country switched from spending on services to spending on goods last year, they didn't just stop spending.
So you think only a double digit GDP in 2021 would make up for the 2.3% decline in 2020? You're not very good at math are you?
 
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LOL. Are you really trying to teach me about investing, marketing boy?

Stock market up 28%. Inflation up 7%. You do the math.
Curious what time frame you're referencing for your claim of stock performance improvement of 28%(?). From my research, for 2021 the DJIA was up 18.7%, NASDAQ up 21.4%. Congratulations are in order if your investment portfolio has beaten the broader market; mine is more or less in line with it.
 
Curious what time frame you're referencing for your claim of stock performance improvement of 28%(?). From my research, for 2021 the DJIA was up 18.7%, NASDAQ up 21.4%. Congratulations are in order if your investment portfolio has beaten the broader market; mine is more or less in line with it.
S&P 500 was up 28.7% in 2021.
 
Not sure that really means much, not adjusted for inflation.

S&P Returns

2020 18.40% (during the Wu Kung Flu)
2019 31.49%
Shocking you stopped right before the -4.4% 2018 return 😆.

But I won't blame the 2018 decline on Trump as much, since the Fed raised rates 4 times in 2018 which always spooks the market, and will likely spook the market again this year when the Fed raises rates 3-4 times this year, though I am sure everyone will blame any market volatility this year on Biden and forget how Trump did during a rising rate environment.

Trump was lucky to get the Fed to cut rates three times in 2019 and then completely to zero in 2020, which drove market gains during those years, as was Biden in 2021 with rates still at zero for the last year.
 
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You are embarrassing yourself again. You always respond to me that the economy was shut down in 2020, ignoring when I reply that the economy only declined 2.3% in 2020,
The fact that you don't understand what a massive blow that is, is staggering.

Just because you couldn't get into your favorite Applebees for a couple months doesn't mean the economy shut down.
A couple months? Try 10. The fact that you don't understand the impact that has on that business and the larger economy proves that you've never played a meaningful role in either.

So you think only a double digit GDP in 2021 would make up for the 2.3% decline in 2020? You're not very good at math are you?
It will be 2030 best case scenario before we completely recover from the economic disaster that was 2020. If we keep electing* idiots like Hiden, make it 2040.

The fact that you think 5% GDP in 2021 makes up for what happened in 2020 is insane. We would need that type of growth for close to a decade to recover what was lost in 2020.

Talk to any retail business owner. More than likely, they had to close their business because of 2020. If they are still open, ask them if they have completely recovered.

If they don't punch you in the face, ask them how long they think it will take to recover.

'Never' will be the most likely answer.

High prices and empty shelves are not a sign of a booming economy.
 
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Going car shopping for the wife and there is very little inventory available.

Now I’m pissed. Damn, you Biden, why aren’t you letting the car companies build more cars?

Did you ban new cars like you banned new oilfield drilling?
 
The fact that you don't understand what a massive blow that is, is staggering.


A couple months? Try 10. The fact that you don't understand the impact that has on that business and the larger economy proves that you've never played a meaningful role in either.


It will be 2030 best case scenario before we completely recover from the economic disaster that was 2020. If we keep electing* idiots like Hiden, make it 2040.

The fact that you think 5% GDP in 2021 makes up for what happened in 2020 is insane. We would need that type of growth for close to a decade to recover what was lost in 2020.

Talk to any retail business owner. More than likely, they had to close their business because of 2020. If they are still open, ask them if they have completely recovered.

If they don't punch you in the face, ask them how long they think it will take to recover.

'Never' will be the most likely answer.

High prices and empty shelves are not a sign of a booming economy.
What the hell are you talking about? We have already surpassed 2019 GDP. Sure, some industries aren't doing as well as they were pre-pandemic, but many others have far surpassed where they were pre-pandemic.

Just because you sit around with your buddies in a MAGA circle-jerk and talk about how bad the economy is and repeating the word socialism to each other over and over again, it doesn't make it so. I keep asking you to provide some type of data or links to any information at all to support your claim that the economy is terrible right now, and you keep responding with nothing.

You'd be much better off switching your arguments to why Biden doesn't deserve credit for the current economic growth. You won't get any argument from me there. But to cover your ears and just say you don't believe the economic data, because reasons, is just insanity.
 
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You're not totally wrong here but the policy from the Executive branch is making the whole situation worse.

We're still paying people to sit at home with stimulus money. People at a certain middle class income range are still getting monthly checks per kid, most don't need it. I saw yesterday the child tax credit was doubled. The insane problems at the ports are not being addressed.

You have more dollars chasing fewer products (as well as less labor to fill greater production needs) and the policies that are fanning the flames are not being addressed.

I see it everyday with my own eyes - my company (we produce outdoor living products) has been shutting production lines down for over a year because we can't find employees. We've been oversold for 3 years, just built a $200MM facility and lines are idle. We are starting line operators at $22/hr full benefits day 1 and can't retain even close to enough people. Last weekend I was supposed to make hamburgers and my wife couldn't buy buns or lettuce, the shelves were completely bare. I haven't seen Woodford Reserve on shelf in 4 months in the State-run liquor stores. I know these are first world problems, but effective leadership would mitigate alot of this.

I saw an analysis from Vermont that calculated if you make less than $53k per year it doesn't make sense to work. That's insane.
Well, some us are being screwed by the advanced child tax credit. My wife couldn't wait to spend the $ each month. Just received a letter from the IRS yesterday, something something about taxes need to be paid and any amount of the received advanced tax credit not qualified to receive would have to be paid back. Seems like we just recieved over the past several months $3,000 income with no taxes deducted. Probably need to pay now instead of getting the usual 1 to 2K back.

Not sure why someone would call them "Biden Bucks", when stimulus checks under Trump were $1800 ($1200 in April, $600 in Dec) and $1400 under Biden (March).

So stimulus checks stopped in March, and enhanced unemployment benefits stopped in July.

As far as the child tax credit, it was increased from $1000 to $2000 in Trumps 2018 tax plan, and increased from $2000 to $3000 under Biden last year. They just pay it out monthly now instead of getting it all at once when you file your taxes, though I believe the monthly payments stopped at year-end.

No doubt this extra cash has helped consumer spending, I just laugh when one party points the finger at the other when they're both responsible.
The extra $ for unemployment didn't actually stop until September.

I also keep hearing about HOW MUCH WAGES have increased. Wages have increased because employers are having to bribe employees to come back to work.
 
What the hell are you talking about? We have already surpassed 2019 GDP. Sure, some industries aren't doing as well as they were pre-pandemic, but many others have far surpassed where they were pre-pandemic.

Just because you sit around with your buddies in a MAGA circle-jerk and talk about how bad the economy is and repeating the word socialism to each other over and over again, it doesn't make it so. I keep asking you to provide some type of data or links to any information at all to support your claim that the economy is terrible right now, and you keep responding with nothing.

You'd be much better off switching your arguments to why Biden doesn't deserve credit for the current economic growth. You won't get any argument from me there. But to cover your ears and just say you don't believe the economic data, because reasons, is just insanity.
Ghost has never been known for his economic acumen. In fact, he’s never been known for any type of acumen other than trolling and welching on bets.

But he’s a T-shirt Bama fan so you’ll have to excuse him.
 
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Well, some us are being screwed by the advanced child tax credit. My wife couldn't wait to spend the $ each month. Just received a letter from the IRS yesterday, something something about taxes need to be paid and any amount of the received advanced tax credit not qualified to receive would have to be paid back. Seems like we just recieved over the past several months $3,000 income with no taxes deducted. Probably need to pay now instead of getting the usual 1 to 2K back.


The extra $ for unemployment didn't actually stop until September.

I also keep hearing about HOW MUCH WAGES have increased. Wages have increased because employers are having to bribe employees to come back to work.
You had the option to not get the child credit monthly and wait until tax returns, you should have received a letter to select that option.

You are correct about the enhanced unemployment ending in Sep. I was forgetting that many states voluntarily ended it early in the prior 3-4 months, but most continued until it ended Sep 6.
 
Well, some us are being screwed by the advanced child tax credit. My wife couldn't wait to spend the $ each month. Just received a letter from the IRS yesterday, something something about taxes need to be paid and any amount of the received advanced tax credit not qualified to receive would have to be paid back. Seems like we just recieved over the past several months $3,000 income with no taxes deducted. Probably need to pay now instead of getting the usual 1 to 2K back.


The extra $ for unemployment didn't actually stop until September.

I also keep hearing about HOW MUCH WAGES have increased. Wages have increased because employers are having to bribe employees to come back to work.
I don’t think it’s bribery, it’s supply and demand.

Somehow there are fewer workers for more jobs. @CFAGator was right in everything he said but the month the federal benefits ended (I must have read an old article) but that just makes it more confusing that the LPR is down and the cost of labor is increasing.

I wonder if having so much supplemental income for so long led people to just change careers.

And you can show me whatever data you want - I’m living it right now and have been for months. Perhaps VA is worse off, but most of our production employees come from WV.
 
Unfortunately, not everyone is rich. In fact, I would say a majority of the population is not. When you pay a lot more $ for gas, electricity, food, clothing, etc, it hurts. A large number of us have to start making decisions on what we buy. Do we buy food this week or heat the house because the tempature will drop below 40. Do I buy the kids clothes for school or gas for the cars so I can go to work.
You had the option to not get the child credit monthly and wait until tax returns, you should have received a letter to select that option.

You are correct about the enhanced unemployment ending in Sep. I was forgetting that many states voluntarily ended it early in the prior 3-4 months, but most continued until it ended Sep 6.
Your wrong again. I was never given that choice. I file my taxes electronically, and just like the stimulus $, it was automatically depostied into my account. I did NOTHING to recieve it.
 
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Unfortunately, not everyone is rich. In fact, I would say a majority of the population is not. When you pay a lot more $ for gas, electricity, food, clothing, etc, it hurts. A large number of us have to start making decisions on what we buy. Do we buy food this week or heat the house because the tempature will drop below 40. Do I buy the kids clothes for school or gas for the cars so I can go to work.

Your wrong again. I was never given that choice. I file my taxes electronically, and just like the stimulus $, it was automatically depostied into my account. I did NOTHING to recieve it.

A5. If you preferred not to receive monthly advance Child Tax Credit payments because you would rather claim the full credit when you file your 2021 tax return, or you knew you were not eligible for the Child Tax Credit for your 2021 tax year, the IRS provided an option to unenroll from advance Child Tax Credit payments through the Child Tax Credit Update Portal (CTC UP). https://www.irs.gov/credits-deducti...x-credit-payments-topic-a-general-information
 
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You had the option to not get the child credit monthly and wait until tax returns, you should have received a letter to select that option.

You are correct about the enhanced unemployment ending in Sep. I was forgetting that many states voluntarily ended it early in the prior 3-4 months, but most continued until it ended Sep 6.
The IRS required that you hand over SS and photo ID to a 3rd party in order to setup an account. You could not cancel the monthly without the account.

I was not handing over that info and have my identity stolen by a future hacker.
 
What the hell are you talking about? We have already surpassed 2019 GDP.
Because the economy wasn't shut down in 2018. If we had shut the economy down in 2018 (as we did in 2020), then we would have seen a historically strong GDP in 2019, as we did in 2021. But the economy in 2019 would still be hot garbage, just as it is now.

The economy is growing from MASSIVELY DEPRESSED LEVELS. That's what you can't understand. It's the same thing as closing Chick Fil A on Sunday, then seeing sales spike in Monday.

Sales spiked on Monday cause there were NO SALES on Sunday.

Spoiler alert: When you turn off the economy then turn it back on, growth is inevitable.
 
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A5. If you preferred not to receive monthly advance Child Tax Credit payments because you would rather claim the full credit when you file your 2021 tax return, or you knew you were not eligible for the Child Tax Credit for your 2021 tax year, the IRS provided an option to unenroll from advance Child Tax Credit payments through the Child Tax Credit Update Portal (CTC UP). https://www.irs.gov/credits-deducti...x-credit-payments-topic-a-general-information
I guess you can't read either. I was never given the choice. BECAUSE I file taxes electronically and receive any refund as direct deposit, they just started deposting the $ each month. Never received any notification that it was starting, or chance to opt out.
 
Because the economy wasn't shut down in 2018. If we had shut the economy down in 2018 (as we did in 2020), then we would have seen a historically strong GDP in 2019, as we did in 2021. But the economy in 2019 would still be hot garbage, just as it is now.

The economy is growing from MASSIVELY DEPRESSED LEVELS. That's what you can't understand. It's the same thing as closing Chick Fil A on Sunday, then seeing sales spike in Monday.

Sales spiked on Monday cause there were NO SALES on Sunday.

Spoiler alert: When you turn off the economy then turn it back on, growth is inevitable.

Still making claims about the economy with no supporting data.

Which year did you say they the economy shut down again?

Nominal GDP:

2018 $20.813t
2019 $21.694t
2020 $21.477t
2021 (9/30) $23.202t
 
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Going car shopping for the wife and there is very little inventory available.

Now I’m pissed. Damn, you Biden, why aren’t you letting the car companies build more cars?

Did you ban new cars like you banned new oilfield drilling?
There's few cars you dolt because manufacturers can't get parts. Why can't they get parts? Because ships are circling Brandon's office (we saw it in his fake window). 🤣 It's not just cars, it's ALL equipment. And it's not just equipment, it's all essential parts of everything that is assembled in the US. What arrives in port, not enough workers to transport them to their destinations. Why? This is what happens when you lock down the country. Let's Go Brandon! 🤣
 
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